00:01:15 -!- benny [~benny@i577A73C7.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:01:41 corni: the difference appears in a flet or labels. 00:04:46 'print returns the symbol PRINT. #'print returns the function denoted by print (a defun, defgeneric, local labels/flet, etc) 00:05:52 print on its own returns the value behind the variable named print (either a local or special variable) 00:06:05 rstandy [~rastandy@net-2-32-233-201.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 00:07:50 -!- zmv is now known as luigi 00:07:56 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 00:08:11 -!- luigi is now known as zmv 00:08:29 corni: However, by 11.1.2.1.2, since you cannot flet or labels cl:print, the results of (quote cl:print) and (function cl:print) should always denote the same function. 00:09:20 11.1.2.1.2 is really a funny section. 00:09:43 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:09:46 genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has joined #lisp 00:10:24 thanks 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[~fantazo@178-191-168-9.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 09:50:41 -!- nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: nicdev_] 09:56:28 trigen [~MSX@87.209.144.213] has joined #lisp 09:56:53 from a list of strings how can I make a comma separated string ? 09:59:49 ok, working : 10:01:23 mrSpec [~Spec@pool-151-204-255-122.bstnma.btas.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:01:23 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@pool-151-204-255-122.bstnma.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 10:01:23 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 10:03:55 http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/strings.html#concat kushal 10:04:06 The_third_man, yes reading that :) 10:04:57 remove removes all occurrences of a char from a string, is there a way to remove only the first occurrence ? 10:06:09 -!- csdwifi [~csdwifi@unaffiliated/csddesk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:10 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:06:43 Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 10:06:52 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_rm_rm.htm << kushal, you can set a start and a end 10:07:30 ok, was thinking of that only , 1 to the length -1 10:07:34 actually you'd rather use count 10:07:42 and set it to 1 10:08:02 ok 10:08:14 I was thinking stupidly :( 10:08:43 The_third_man, thanks :) 10:11:21 you're welcome :) 10:14:51 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:17:36 creating sql queries are always pain for me 10:18:06 replore [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:18:24 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 10:19:06 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 10:20:11 http://www.cliki.net/SQL kushal ? 10:21:54 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.184.18] has joined #lisp 10:22:48 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 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connect so swank: "make client process failed: connection refused, :name, SLIME Lisp, :buffer, nil, :host, 127.0.0.1, :service, 42561". This is running on an Amazon EC2 instance, and I suspect it has something to do with that. Any ideas? 11:23:31 I suspect some sort of firewall issue 11:26:36 «127.0.0.1» 11:26:56 the swank socket only listens on the loopback interface 11:27:44 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:27:45 make an SSH tunnel to the machine and connect through it 11:29:01 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-138-128.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:29:25 I'm actually running emacs and swank on the same machine 11:31:04 try running the lisp in a terminal and starting the swank server, then use slime-connect 11:32:09 Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 11:33:40 fe[nl]ix: when I do that, swank says "Swank started on port 60529" and slime-connect says "Lisp connection closed unexpectedly: connection broken by remote peer" 11:34:09 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:35:40 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-168-9.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:38:28 mrSpec [~Spec@184-221-109-201.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 11:38:28 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@184-221-109-201.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:38:29 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 11:39:21 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.140.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:42:13 alama [~jessealam@86.93.35.187] has joined #lisp 11:47:03 xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.152.205] has joined #lisp 11:47:59 fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-170-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 11:52:19 -!- topeak [~topeak@118.186.129.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:36 naiv [~quassel@AAnnecy-651-1-1-108.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:56:33 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.184.18] has joined #lisp 11:59:49 gonzojive_ [~gonzojive@142-141.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 11:59:49 -!- gonzojive [~reddaly@178-83-238-199.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:49 -!- gonzojive_ is now known as gonzojive 12:01:30 zmv [~daniel@c95334de.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 12:09:31 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has joined #lisp 12:11:27 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-51.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:12:11 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.184.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:31 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-51.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:14:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:15:31 pnq [~nick@ACA27D1C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:17:46 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95334de.virtua.com.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:21:30 enn [~eli@codeanddata.com] has joined #lisp 12:22:23 Hello ... In CLSQL installed from Quicklisp the method output-sql specialized on sql-query-modifier-exp calls a function, %write-operator, which is not defined. Does anyone know what this is supposed to be? 12:22:51 drdo` [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 12:23:42 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A492A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:23:49 urandom__ [~user@p548A4DAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:24:28 -!- drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:25:39 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.237.148] has joined #lisp 12:25:55 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.237.148] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:25:57 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-17-142.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:26:44 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.237.148] has joined #lisp 12:26:51 alternately, is there any way to use quicklisp to install an earlier version of CLSQL that might work? 12:27:10 zfx [~zfx@host86-145-158-38.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:27:11 -!- zfx [~zfx@host86-145-158-38.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:27:11 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 12:28:52 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.237.148] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:29:31 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.237.148] has joined #lisp 12:30:26 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Quit: rfg] 12:30:47 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 12:32:51 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:33:38 Eataix [~Eataix@CPE-58-165-251-47.lns1.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 12:34:10 zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.87.171] has joined #lisp 12:35:54 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 12:39:02 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 12:40:14 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.237.148] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:40:54 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.237.148] has joined #lisp 12:42:41 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43:05 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 12:45:46 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:46:01 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:46:28 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 12:50:00 enn: AFAIK, so far quicklisp always install the last version it has, and cannot install several versions. 12:50:43 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-6-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:54:01 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.248.30] has joined #lisp 12:55:55 Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:57:05 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:57:37 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:58:19 ok, thank you 13:00:17 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:38 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has joined #lisp 13:05:46 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:05:47 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:08:17 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 13:09:19 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@183.106.96.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:09:38 setmeaway [~setmeaway@183.106.96.61] has joined #lisp 13:09:48 -!- Eataix [~Eataix@CPE-58-165-251-47.lns1.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 13:12:32 Gertm [~Gertm@dD576D33F.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 13:12:57 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:13:11 -!- betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:15:18 runix [~runix@0116100055.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 13:18:59 Hi, is there a simple way to unmap/extract the items from a sequence/list so they can become normal arguments to max, or is there a maximizing function that takes a sequence? (seems a bit bloated to do maximizing loop) 13:21:02 runix: apply 13:21:06 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-170-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:11 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 13:21:57 oh thanks :) 13:22:04 daimrod: Better: reduce 13:22:34 runix: Using APPLY might run into the maximum number of arguments limitation. 13:22:52 runix: So it is better to use REDUCE if that is possible. 13:23:03 runix: (reduce #'max sequence) 13:23:21 oh 13:23:27 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-76-35.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:24:32 zmv [~daniel@c95334de.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 13:29:03 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:29:21 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has joined #lisp 13:35:54 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:36:04 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #lisp 13:36:59 ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has joined #lisp 13:38:17 hi, sometimes I need to restart SBCL (hunchentoot), it takes aronud 5 seconds, during that time the nginx frontend gives 502 bad gateway to clients, nginx could queue requests during this time and wait for the appserver to come back, but I can't find an option for this:-/ any ideas? 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14:34:42 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:34:52 like 14:34:54 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 14:35:26 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:38:04 No. 14:38:08 You need the object itself. 14:38:25 ok. 14:38:33 There's no standard way to get a reference to an object knowing OBJCLASS and #xd2dcdd6. 14:38:49 you, i understanded. 14:38:52 *yes, i.. 14:39:16 vaaal: notice that in the REPL, there are several variables you can use, that keep references to the old results: * ** and *** (for the three last results). 14:39:43 old results? 14:39:54 do you mean, old repl returns? 14:40:00 So you can type someting like: (some-expression), get an object printed, and write (defparameter *obj* *) to store it in a variable. 14:40:05 old results. 14:40:13 yes 14:40:20 thank you 14:40:37 (but that was just a curiosity, i don't need that :)) 14:47:17 -!- vaaal [irc2gowebc@151.73.60.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:47:54 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:50:16 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has joined #lisp 14:50:56 vaaal [~vaaal@host59-16-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:52:49 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 15:00:35 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.248.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:15 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-126-252.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:31 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.248.30] has joined #lisp 15:07:45 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 15:09:50 leo2007` [~leo@222.130.134.220] has joined #lisp 15:10:07 -!- alama [~jessealam@86.93.35.187] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:10:36 jsoftw [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 15:11:42 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.248.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:11:49 -!- daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:11:49 like << it is only the print-value of the object. You can't do anything with that 15:11:54 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 15:12:08 daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 15:12:43 -!- leo2007` is now known as leo2007 15:13:09 alama [~jessealam@86.93.35.187] has joined #lisp 15:13:19 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 15:13:43 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-170-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:10 btw, does anyone know if lisp manage circular references when "printing" (at the eval) a struct ? 15:14:43 I alreay had a problem of the kind and i was wondering if there was a better solution than redefining the print-object method 15:15:06 yes, if you ask for it. *print-circle* or *print-length* or *print-level* 15:16:02 ok 15:16:09 (just saw it on the clhs) 15:16:11 thanks btw 15:16:48 -!- vaaal [~vaaal@host59-16-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:17:11 -!- naiv [~quassel@AAnnecy-651-1-1-108.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:20:31 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-138-128.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:29:22 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-17-142.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:34:40 bege [~bege@S0106001cf0520ea3.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 15:36:04 daniel___ [~daniel@c95334de.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 15:37:16 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95334de.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:37:51 naiv [~quassel@AAnnecy-651-1-1-108.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:44:26 -!- daniel___ is now known as zmv 15:45:43 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-17-142.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:46:13 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:47:25 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has left #lisp 15:47:58 -!- gonzojive [~gonzojive@142-141.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:49:34 gonzojive [~gonzojive@178-83-238-199.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:49:45 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:22 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has joined #lisp 15:51:15 oudeis [~oudeis@109-186-118-181.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 15:52:15 -!- taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:53:32 dgiaimo [~dgiaimo@pool-96-237-60-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:18 -!- dgiaimo [~dgiaimo@pool-96-237-60-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:02 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-181-173.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:55:21 dgiaimo [~dgiaimo@pool-96-237-60-243.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:21 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-138-128.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:54 wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-74-66-9-78.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:59:07 anybody experienced using SLIME on an Amazon EC2 machine? Unfortunately I am still having issues connecting to swank from the same machine: swank:close-connection: end of file on # 15:59:52 I'm using ubuntu 11.04 and SBCL 1.0.50 for what it's worth 16:00:07 it being on EC2 shouldn't be an issue in itself 16:00:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-211-44.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:30 where did you get SLIME? it used to be that the version in the gzip on the website was quite outdated 16:00:34 though that may have changed 16:01:27 I tried the cvs version, and just for kicks the latest from the git mirror of the CVS version 16:02:59 any chance it's an encoding problem? I seem to remember getting this when I had the wrong character set a while ago 16:03:13 when you start swank, what options are you using? 16:04:55 taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:35 Let me see a bit further, but I'm just using the line that SLIME uses from within emacs: (progn (load "/home/ubuntu/lib/cl/slime/swank-loader.lisp" :verbose t) (funcall (read-from-string "swank-loader:init")) (funcall (read-from-string "swank:start-server") "/tmp/slime.1501" :coding-system "iso-latin-1-unix")) 16:05:58 well, you probably want the coding system to be utf-8 16:06:37 pjb_ [~pjb@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 16:06:40 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:07:03 (swank:create-server :coding-system "utf-8-unix" :dont-close t) 16:07:09 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-17-142.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:07:21 I'll give that a shot 16:07:32 make sure you have a line like this in your .emacs: 16:07:35 (setq slime-net-coding-system 'utf-8-unix) 16:08:27 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-185-51.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:46 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:11:25 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-58-31-64.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:11:37 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-58-31-64.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:08 -!- pjb_ [~pjb@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: from my iPad] 16:18:31 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-107-68.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:06 Fade: cool, I got it to work when I start the swank server outside of emacs. in emacs I still get the same error so i'm working on that now 16:20:11 this is just doing M-x slime 16:21:01 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.134.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:23:00 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.194.180] has joined #lisp 16:23:03 -!- doc_who [~doc_who@pool-108-28-6-47.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23:18 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:23:18 the emacs and slime are on the same machine? 16:23:23 s/slime/swank? 16:23:29 I thought this was a remote setup. 16:23:48 doc_who [~doc_who@pool-108-28-6-47.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:24:08 nope, same machine 16:24:18 I think the dont-close t is necessary to prevent the connection problem 16:24:38 nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 16:24:43 If I omit dont-close when I start swank independently, I get the same problem as when typing M-x slime 16:25:51 a very nice way of working remotely is by using xtightvnc and something like fluxbox. 16:28:04 oudeis_ [~oudeis@109.64.97.126] has joined #lisp 16:28:05 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.134.220] has joined #lisp 16:28:43 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-142.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:30:32 hey do you if there is a particular way to generate functions when creating a class, or do I have to do a macro to declare the functions ? 16:31:10 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-142.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:31:11 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109-186-118-181.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:32:29 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-210-243.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:32:37 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-146-127.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 16:33:05 +know 16:34:30 well, i guess you could call a macro in initialize-instance :after 16:34:33 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-170-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:35:13 Fade: on the metaclass? 16:35:29 well, a method specialised on. 16:43:09 jleija [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has joined #lisp 16:44:45 Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has joined #lisp 16:45:18 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:47:12 -!- genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:47:32 -!- nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: nicdev_] 16:51:26 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-170-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:42 -!- oudeis_ [~oudeis@109.64.97.126] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:02:01 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-170-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:05:14 The_third_man: your question is too vague, we can answer anything to it. 17:05:20 The_third_man: what's your problem? 17:05:25 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:29 pnq [~nick@ACA2249D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:10:36 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-109-64-97-126.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:36 pjb, the idea is that I want to allow the user to create inheriting class from a class in my library, but i would like to automatically create conversion function 17:12:59 -!- gonzojive [~gonzojive@178-83-238-199.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:07 gonzojive [~gonzojive@142-141.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 17:15:13 The_third_man: Converting from what to what else? 17:16:32 from the original class to the inheriting class 17:18:54 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-109-64-97-126.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:20:05 The_third_man: I don't see how that could be automated. 17:21:10 You can probably engineer the interface to provide default methods (that can be used with call-next-method, or via :around/:before/:after methods). 17:21:12 josemanuel [~josemanue@112.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:21:28 ok 17:21:30 thanks :) 17:21:36 I'll take a look 17:34:48 pnq1 [~nick@ACA2286A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:00 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2249D.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:36:25 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-74-66-9-78.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 17:37:04 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:40:34 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-170-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:44 spark_ [~spark@123.147.247.87] has joined #lisp 17:44:30 fbass [~fbass@75-173-76-35.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:13 -!- spark_ [~spark@123.147.247.87] has quit [Client Quit] 17:47:54 The_third_man: you can define a update-instance-for-different-class method. 17:48:15 Since you want to go from super class to subclass, then you need to define the method on the subclass. 17:48:31 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-138-128.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:48:52 The_third_man: but then again, to make an instance of a subclass, you only need to define a method on initialize-instance... 17:50:09 vlion [~user@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 17:54:02 val726 [irc2gowebc@151.73.60.101] has joined #lisp 17:54:20 heeeelloo 17:55:04 shaggy- [~shaggy-@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 17:55:06 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@186.214.248.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:55:07 hello 17:55:27 can one write a macro that will allocate struct/class at compile time? 17:57:22 shaggy-: yes. The question is how you transmit this object to the run-time. 17:57:35 hyoyoung [~morris@210.117.152.122] has joined #lisp 17:57:41 shaggy-: Think about it, one can quit the compiler and launch the compiled application ten years later. 17:58:07 shaggy-: but if that object is only needed at compilation time, there's no difficulty. 17:58:19 clhs load-time-value 17:58:19 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_ld_tim.htm 17:58:56 object is needed at runtime. 17:59:48 clhs make-load-form 17:59:48 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mk_ld_.htm 18:00:20 (let ((red-pixel (rgb 255 0 0)) (loop #| use red-pixel |# )). rgb is currently a function. can I write a rgb macro where performance will be the same to above loop if I use (rgb ...) in loop in every iteration 18:00:24 Then you can either generate code in the macro to create that object at run-time, or use load-time-valueu and make-load-form. 18:00:35 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:00:49 shaggy-: you can implement caches. 18:00:50 now that I think about it I guess this can't be done unless I cache pixels 18:00:54 yes 18:07:17 -!- La0fer [~Laofers1@64.120.233.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:08:37 pnq [~nick@ACA21662.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:09:30 -!- pnq1 [~nick@ACA2286A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:15:45 -!- val726 [irc2gowebc@151.73.60.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:20:27 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.134.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:24:57 How about (DEFCONSTANT +RED-PIXEL+ (RDB 255 0 0)) 18:25:07 clhs defconstant 18:25:07 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defcon.htm 18:25:36 loke: for this reason, defconstant works only for numbers, characters and symbols. 18:26:45 pjb: OK, then use the DEFINE-CONSTANT macro that is suggested in the SBCL documentation 18:27:10 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Defining-Constants.html 18:27:10 Red Daffodil Blue. 18:27:27 loke: yes, that could be used. 18:27:42 I'd just use defparameter... 18:27:54 pjb: RED/DREEN/BLUE. 18:28:14 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-76-35.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:28:29 fbass [~fbass@75-173-76-35.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:38 Anyway... It's time to go to sleep now 18:29:51 -!- runix [~runix@0116100055.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:32:08 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:08 Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.30.206.218] has joined #lisp 18:34:21 -!- Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.30.206.218] has quit [Client Quit] 18:36:10 Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.30.206.218] has joined #lisp 18:39:31 Having a problem again. lol 18:39:54 Lay down on the couch, and tell us about it. 18:41:01 Trying to install quicklisp on SBCL. Basically I copied the same one I used for Clisp, but when I load it from SBCL, I get errors, such as there's an error opening and permission denied 18:41:11 O.o 18:41:18 what's the os? 18:41:40 And then something about sb posix something 18:42:00 Windows :$ 18:42:23 Mmm. You should be able to drop quicklisp.lisp into a directory and run SBCL on it. 18:44:01 It's currently in C:\Program Files\Steel Bank Common Lisp\1.0.40\quicklisp 18:44:14 Must I drop it into another directory lol 18:44:25 I usually drop it into ~ 18:44:58 sbcl --load "path/to/quicklisp.lisp" 18:45:19 i dunno if there's some pathname quirk on windows. 18:46:14 I don't recall there being, you just had to use c:\path\to\quicklisp.lisp. 18:46:44 -!- ngz [~user@209.141.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:46:59 i've seen people claim better luck with clozure cl on windows. 18:47:38 1 18:50:37 Clozure seems to be heavy 18:50:54 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.87.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:51:03 Like a tank. I'm not allowed to use alo of data. lol 18:51:09 alot* 18:52:01 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 18:52:01 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 18:52:01 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 18:52:44 shouldn't you put it in windows equivalent of homedir? unless you're running as admin you can't write to Program Files\ dir IIRC 18:53:45 Let me try something 18:55:37 Try installing Linux? :p 18:56:02 nvm. Didn't work 18:56:04 Lol 18:56:12 If I can convince my parents 18:56:38 run linux in virtualbox or something? 18:57:08 and, yep, ccl is more Windows-friendly than most 18:58:00 Ok I'll figure something out. lol. Grr 18:58:03 ABCL has always run on Windows too. 18:58:05 no IDE though. 18:58:09 Oh and btw 18:58:28 That Google ant a.i challenge thingy 19:00:09 Can I use Clisp for testing my code etc? Because the starter pack has a few places where it calls sb: 19:00:26 -!- fbass [~fbass@75-173-76-35.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:00:26 -!- gonzojive [~gonzojive@142-141.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:49 gonzojive [~gonzojive@142-141.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 19:00:55 fbass [~fbass@75-173-76-35.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:32 Starter...pack? 19:03:31 Yep 19:03:45 The starter package for Google's "AI Challenge". 19:03:49 Oh! 19:04:09 Illumination 19:04:18 I read somewhere that Google isn't even involved. lol 19:05:02 http://ai-contest.com/ ? 19:05:32 Yep 19:06:16 WRT the sb: stuff, you might examine it to see if its portable to Clisp. 19:06:17 So can I use Clisp? 19:06:22 Oh 19:06:42 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:06:42 There's a feature in Common Lisp that allows you to do conditional compilation based on compiler. 19:07:06 So you could try to wrap the sb: stuff into a routine that conditionally runs on either. 19:07:21 ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has joined #lisp 19:08:00 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-133.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:08:50 I'll check it out 19:09:16 Oh, and should I use setf, setq, defparameter or defvar? 19:09:54 In functions I always use let unless It's in the middle of the code where I have to close the let body 19:10:00 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:32 #+clisp 19:10:43 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:10:48 Indecipherable_: have you read practical common lisp? 19:10:48 defparameter & defvar are used for different purposes, c.f. Hyperspec. 19:11:04 Ok lol 19:11:20 Is it normal to be addicted to CL code? 19:11:56 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.194.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:55 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:04 probably not. 19:15:30 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 19:15:50 No. Recommend using scheme as methadone ;) 19:16:52 on the contrary: using scheme produces forking of the compiler. ;) 19:17:24 drake01 [~drake01@115.246.206.183] has joined #lisp 19:19:20 People 19:19:31 Don't increase my addiction 19:19:49 I just love how the lisp code goes around other code etc 19:20:13 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:17 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:20:56 pjb: Your assertions made yesterday about <<(+ 'a "Hello") is conforming code with specified behavior>> and <> are patently false. 19:21:03 I'm flabbergasted that you'd proclaim such utter nonsense with high confidence. 19:21:08 From clhs 1.4.4.3 "The ``Arguments and Values'' Section of a Dictionary Entry": Except as explicitly specified otherwise, the consequences are undefined if these type restrictions are violated. clhs + is specified as accepting NUMBERs. 19:22:24 -!- drake01 [~drake01@115.246.206.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:22:45 nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 19:26:32 What are we talking about 19:27:16 Indecipherable_: starting at 07:52:29 in http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/11.08.05 for context. 19:28:57 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:30:10 nikodemus: May I ask how many years of lisp experience you have? 19:30:34 8 years working on sbcl 19:30:59 Ok. I hope one day I'll rock as much as you do ;) 19:31:06 hard-to-quantify-but-call-it-a-year amount of scheme and cl before that 19:31:39 About a year by me 19:32:44 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:40:09 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:40:15 What do you like most about CL? 19:41:06 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-192-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:22 Indecipherable_: Ease of implementing DSLs. 19:42:19 oudeis [~oudeis@2.54.254.4] has joined #lisp 19:44:26 What do you think I should focus on, Python or cl? 19:44:33 cl of course 19:44:36 Asking that in a Lisp chatroom, really? 19:44:38 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:50 lol 19:44:59 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:45:07 what I like is that you can get so much done with reasonable performance profile 19:45:15 I want to try writing a chat bot in cl 19:45:37 littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has joined #lisp 19:46:12 Python is a fine language that many people use. It is easy to get a great deal of common tasks done with it. It has an added bonus of many job openings today. 19:46:27 it sucks nonetheless 19:46:43 Common Lisp is considerably more flexible and can be considerably more performant. 19:47:32 When I script in cl I feel like i'm directly transferring my ideas 19:47:55 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA21662.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:48:16 -!- splineman [~splineman@129.Red-88-4-185.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 19:48:17 -!- emagdalena [~splineman@129.Red-88-4-185.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 19:49:14 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@2.54.254.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:19 Simul` [~user@97-93-224-156.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:51:53 I have written around of 20KLoC in Python, maybe more - it's my day job language. I think it's a good language for farting out code, and fine for people who need to fart out code to get the job done. Common Lisp does many things better: static analyzability, speed, dynamicism, hotswappable code, MACROS, sanity of design. 19:52:36 Part of that is because Python is - IMO - where Lisp was in the mid/early 70s. 19:55:01 Python and Perl are still 'organically' growing; things are being added and tweaked. Outside of the ITERATE loop replacement macros, I don't see much focus on tweaking the Common Lisp language. Of course, arguably that's due to the smaller community. I think it's also because Common Lisp can do things with macros that Python & Perl can't. (Perl 6 is scheduled to have macros, which should enable pretty epically cool things). 19:55:55 perl 6 is a puddle of toxic slime, by all accounts 19:55:57 "Perl 6 is scheduled" haha 19:56:11 "projected" might have been a better word 19:56:20 or maybe "imagined" 19:56:22 *vlion* snickers 19:58:44 Doesn't PyPy have macros? 19:58:45 oudeis [~oudeis@93-173-61-158.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 19:58:57 C also has macros 19:59:36 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-170-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:59:42 I read that they aren't the same macros lisp has 19:59:45 standard CPython does not have macros. 19:59:47 C has _text_ macros. 19:59:54 "macro" is a fairly overloaded term. Assemblers have "macros". Emacs has "keyboard macros". Etc. 20:00:08 C/C++ macros is glorified sed 20:00:28 vlion: why "glorified"? :-) 20:00:44 -!- taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:47 pypy.org/ 20:01:47 I would say that C macros are an ad hoc implementation of half of awk. 20:02:00 ISF [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has joined #lisp 20:02:24 -!- CrazyEddy [~prude@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:03:09 Indecipherable_: I don't see any macros there. 20:03:25 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75e9f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04:52 write some code! 20:05:14 CrazyEddy [~vireonine@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 20:07:04 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@112.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 20:07:43 What code 20:07:56 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 20:08:15 lol I just thought that pypy would have macros since it is more or less pure python. I didn't use it 20:08:51 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:30 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:21 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 20:10:24 Indecipherable_: try cl-python. You may wrap a sexp layer over python syntax, and implement macros on that. 20:12:02 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 20:15:17 I have cl-python but no idea how to use it 20:15:30 spdr- [~spdr_@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 20:18:22 fatblueduck [~duck@pool-71-104-152-85.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:03 i'm using cl-ppcre 20:19:14 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl15-228-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 20:19:16 and when i specify a word boundary with '\b' 20:19:33 a match is never returned 20:19:53 '\b returns a symbol. 20:20:06 ' before the end of file is an error. 20:20:40 pnq [~nick@AC82DF5B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 20:20:45 What did you write really? 20:21:28 (cl-ppcre:create-scanner "File: (.*).js\b" :multi-line-mode t) 20:22:11 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181063174.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:22:25 "\b" == "b" 20:23:14 fatblueduck: \\, unfortunately (take the Lisp reader into account). 20:23:51 oh thank you 20:24:26 fatblueduck: you have escaping issues, or you can modify the reader. CL-INTERPOL has explicit support for perl-style regex. 20:25:05 *antoszka* wants to checkout interpol. 20:25:35 pkhuong: ok thank you. i will look at interpol now. 20:29:45 -!- shaggy- [~shaggy-@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: .] 20:31:19 markskil1eck [~mark@host81-132-125-179.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:33:04 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:33:10 -!- spdr- [~spdr_@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 20:44:24 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:47:08 Hi, all. In PG' The Roots of Lisp, Paul defines assoc as: http://paste.lisp.org/display/123837 20:47:36 Doesn't that lead to an inifited recursion, if you supply the empty list as the assoc list? 20:47:51 codelurker [~codelurke@c-24-91-16-174.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:06 I felt so good after I solved Project Euler prob 1 yesterday 20:48:07 Was lisp different back in the day that this would work, or is Paul simply trying to give the reader headaches? 20:48:14 Indecipherable_: amen. 20:48:15 Although I didn't sign up 20:48:26 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-170-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:13 me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-182-222.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:15 I still don't get the point of the ai-contest (ant) 20:53:11 corni [~corni@brln-4d0cbff8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:11 -!- corni [~corni@brln-4d0cbff8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:53:11 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 20:53:46 markskil1eck: You could send him a bug report. 20:56:51 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95334de.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:56:53 markskil1eck: that looks buggy to me. Though there were Lisps where it would fail because you can't take the CDR of the empty list. 20:57:23 gigamonkey: I imagine that would be the reason. 20:58:05 At least I know I'm not just being obtuse. 20:58:16 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 20:58:37 zmv [~daniel@c95334de.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 21:01:36 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:02:40 shaggy- [~shaggy-@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 21:03:02 hi. is there a portable way of getting path to the current source file? 21:03:46 clhs *load-pathname* 21:03:46 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_ld_pns.htm 21:04:53 thanks 21:06:47 kslt1` [~user@netblock-208-127-156-174.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 21:07:25 Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 21:08:01 that doesn't work so well with asdf. I'm getting the path of the compiled source which is a completely different directory. I want to get path to the file that is in the same dir as the .lisp source 21:08:59 shaggy-: asdf as functions to find the directory of a system. 21:10:34 -!- lisper [18d1340b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.209.52.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:10:45 perfect thanks 21:10:48 it's asdf:system-source-directory 21:11:07 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-146-127.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:14 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@c-24-91-16-174.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 21:12:55 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.34.186] has joined #lisp 21:13:12 Okay I really din't know how to change tha starter package 21:17:18 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.34.186] has quit [Client Quit] 21:18:45 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.34.186] has joined #lisp 21:19:30 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-210-243.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:38 (loop for x from (1- end) to start) <- wasnt there a syntax that avoids 1- end? sheer curiousity because I can't recall it, I dont mind using 1- 21:22:26 downto* 21:23:08 shaggy-: not with downto. 21:23:26 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:23:27 what was it with? 21:24:17 (loop for x from start below end) 21:24:46 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_loop.htm also :) 21:25:34 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Quit: rfg] 21:26:47 -!- Indecipherable_ [~IceChat7@41.30.206.218] has left #lisp 21:28:12 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-146-127.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 21:32:03 hi 21:32:46 wow I could simulate a steup converter with my prog :) 21:33:46 simulation is often easy to do with an OO approach. You write a class for each subcomponent of the steup converter, whatever it is, and "hook" them as they would be on the ral steup converted. 21:33:53 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 21:34:29 pjb: no, my prog is a general circuit solver 21:35:03 pjb: you can create circuits with three-phase transformers, diodes, bridges, switches and so on 21:35:09 -!- markskil1eck [~mark@host81-132-125-179.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:35:21 Well, I don't know what a steup converter is... 21:36:29 pjb: a converter in which you apply a continuous voltage in the input and you have a continuous voltage at the output where Vin < Vout 21:37:00 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.34.186] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:37:22 pjb: pc psu are ac/dc converter 21:37:28 i'm running a lisp file as a script. i cannot successfully require quicklisp there. 21:37:29 oudeis_ [~oudeis@109-186-16-28.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 21:37:40 fortunately i have asdf and used this instead 21:38:08 pjb: my prog take care of rotating electrical machines too :) 21:38:47 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:55 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-6-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:55 -!- oudeis_ [~oudeis@109-186-16-28.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Client Quit] 21:39:12 -!- gonzojive [~gonzojive@142-141.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:23 gonzojive [~gonzojive@142-141.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 21:40:20 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.34.186] has joined #lisp 21:40:36 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@93-173-61-158.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:41:16 is it possible to return from outter loop? (loop ... do (loop ... (return from outter loop))) 21:41:23 outer* 21:41:50 shaggy-: NAMED will let you specify a name for the block established by LOOP. 21:42:18 e.g. (loop name outer ... (return-from outer)) 21:42:20 thanks 21:42:27 *(loop named ...) 21:44:28 -!- shaggy- [~shaggy-@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC] 21:44:53 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82DF5B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:45:27 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-146-127.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46:19 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-64-136.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:48:55 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:49:03 kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-141-228.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 22:01:09 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 22:01:39 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:45 Lone_Wanderer [~Dan@209-6-38-124.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 22:05:48 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 22:05:54 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:10:52 How do I activate the reader macros of CL-INTERPOL? quickloading the package in quicklisp does not seem to be sufficient. 22:13:30 -!- alexmagnus [~anonymous@alice.ipq.co] has quit [Quit: alexmagnus] 22:14:32 (interpol:enable-interpol-syntax) 22:14:53 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:15:19 antoszka: you really ought to try fuzzy autocomplete :) 22:16:24 fe[nl]ix: thx. 22:19:22 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-17-142.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:31:51 i asked this in #emacs but i did not get any help and i will try it here and see if anyone can help. While working in Slime, if an evaluation generates and error/warning that results in invoking the debugger, i get the error/warning message in Slime but not the continuing options. I used debug option and here is what i see http://paste.lisp.org/display/123841 22:32:46 no pop-up frame ? 22:33:30 -!- serichsen [~user@hmbg-4d06c710.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Good night!] 22:33:47 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-107-68.ptld.qwest.net] has left #lisp 22:33:54 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-107-68.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:35:00 fe[nl]ix: a pop-up frame? 22:36:02 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:28 how do i best search clhs? http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/index.htm doesn't have a search box :( 22:38:05 corni: http://l1sp.org/html/ 22:38:36 corni: But it has a permuted index. 22:39:12 corni: otherwise just use google site:foo or inurl:bar. 22:39:44 thanks, that l1sp.org looks good :-) 22:40:29 -!- alama [~jessealam@86.93.35.187] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:43:25 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:45:48 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-126-252.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:47:17 X-Scale [email@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #lisp 22:47:27 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:02 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.221.39] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 22:52:38 Evanescence [~chris@122.237.7.93] has joined #lisp 22:57:27 I've found a few lists of companies that use Lisp (thank you Google) but none of them have quite what I'm looking for... 22:58:14 Does anyone know of a company that has entered a saturated market and used Lisp as a tool to give themselves a competitive advantage (and succeeded)? 22:58:16 what if you build a company yourself? 22:58:48 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-109-113.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:59:03 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-6-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:59:08 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:32 I'm trying to build one myself ;) 23:01:59 one of the things I want to show to investors is that there is a history of companies entering a mature market and using Lisp to create a competitive advantage 23:02:05 IIRC Naughty Dog used Lisp for some Crash games I think. 23:02:10 kk 23:02:23 Orbitz used Lisp, right? I don't know when they entered the market. 23:06:46 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-109-113.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:06:59 I believe orbitz uses the ITA software, which is a famously Lisp company 23:14:16 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A4DAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:34 18WAA90M9 [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has joined #lisp 23:16:34 17SAA245G [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has joined #lisp 23:17:08 pnq [~nick@ACA3790B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:21:40 ah, good 23:22:31 -!- vlion [~user@76.178.165.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:22:36 amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 23:22:49 hussaibi__ [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has joined #lisp 23:22:52 hussaibi_ [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has joined #lisp 23:26:11 -!- 17SAA245G [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:26:18 -!- 18WAA90M9 [~hussaibi@wirewall.cs.toronto.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:28:07 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:32:15 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-170-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:32:36 -!- kslt1` [~user@netblock-208-127-156-174.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:35:13 I know I shouldn't ask to ask, but I'm wondering if there are any experienced CAPI users here who might help me with the design of a component of a system. Not graphic design, but advice on how to structure some things. 23:35:41 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.34.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36:08 also, does anyone know how hard it is to hire a Lisp programmer or two in Cambridge, MA? 23:38:00 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:40:16 -!- trigen [~MSX@87.209.144.213] has quit [] 23:40:59 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl15-228-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:41:01 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.34.186] has joined #lisp 23:41:22 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 23:41:28 Lone_Wanderer: https://lispjobs.wordpress.com/ It may be useful to post about it here. 23:42:01 sweet, thanks sykopomp 23:43:12 Lone_Wanderer: I figure Cambridge, MA, would be rather easy... 23:43:47 I figure it's the best place to be if looking for Lisp hackers 23:43:52 -!- parabolize [~paraboliz@203.83.50.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:44:09 but it could be like saying "The best place to look for five-leafed clovers is Ireland", i.e. it's still fantastically difficult to find one 23:44:49 Lone_Wanderer: these days the best place to look for a Lisp hacker is on the internet. ;-) 23:45:14 Well, if I want to hire one, physical proximity does have some bearing on the decision. 23:45:21 also, bbiab 23:45:23 -!- Lone_Wanderer is now known as Lone_AFK 23:45:30 Lone_Wanderer: as for the ITA Software and QPX (the software they made) case, afaik they entered a very mature market 23:45:55 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.34.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:48:40 bbiab? 23:48:47 never mind, got it. 23:50:18 corni [~corni@brln-4dba5877.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:18 -!- corni [~corni@brln-4dba5877.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:50:18 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 23:51:15 silly question: how do i write a form, which jsut evaluates to T 23:51:22 I'm doing some if's with boolean logic 23:51:55 so i'm doing (if (> x 1)(T)) 23:52:01 except that (T) doesn't work... 23:52:10 gigamonkey: do you know about anything else in the line of masters of doom and coders at work? I'm always on the lookout for good leisure reads 23:52:27 littlebobby: well there's the old Programmers at Work 23:52:28 corni: Just t 23:52:57 And Masterminds of Programming came out around the same time as Coders at Work though I haven't read much of it. 23:53:04 Bike: great, thanks :-) 23:53:30 corni: Though in that case, (> x 1) will be t or nil anyway. 23:54:12 Bike: silly me, thanks 23:54:48 gigamonkey: ah, thanks. "zen and art of motorcycle maintenance", "where wizards stay up late" are on my list to checkout as well, and I've started reading a chess book (nimzowitsch's my system) 23:55:36 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-144-20.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:00 so, not just programming books, but also :-)