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[~Adium@ALagny-751-1-28-145.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:50:38 zort- [~eitan@bas1-toronto07-1176122518.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 01:52:56 -!- psilocide [48d58dc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.213.141.195] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:53:53 -!- kunwon1 [~kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:55:08 sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-8-60.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 01:56:59 is it just me or is FORMAT fucking insane 01:57:02 e.g. "~A ~:[~{~:[+2~;-1~] ~}~;+0 +0 +0 ~]~%" 01:57:10 Do you get used to it? 01:59:20 looks like Obfuscated Perl to me. 01:59:30 No one writes format strings like that in practice 01:59:39 -!- sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-8-60.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:59:55 *_3b* doesn't see much wrong with it 02:01:04 sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-20-150.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 02:01:50 kunwon1 [~kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1] has joined #lisp 02:02:27 -!- Evanescence [~chris@122.237.28.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:03:31 It is mostly write only, but yes, we may write format strings like that. 02:03:44 There are worse format strings. 02:04:53 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:58 wislin [~user@118.122.165.4] has joined #lisp 02:05:11 DelPuerto [~youguy@90.162.144.19] has joined #lisp 02:06:40 sellout-1 [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-8-87.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 02:07:17 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 02:08:10 -!- sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-20-150.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:10:50 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 02:10:54 -!- sellout-1 [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-8-87.w86-218.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:11:01 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@90.162.144.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:51 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:16:59 sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-15-55.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 02:21:06 mind you I'm not complaining 02:21:07 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:17 xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 02:21:53 Like much of the rest of CL, it was an expedient hack back in the dark ages. 02:22:06 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@pC19F3C06.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:56 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082A0B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:23:49 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:24:05 -!- incandenza [~incandenz@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:28:24 There was a library in cclan to replace format with a lispy thing like iterate, but it doesn't take off any more than iterate in front of loop... 02:28:51 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-132-222.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:28:56 daniel [~daniel@p5082A0B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:29:00 -!- wislin [~user@118.122.165.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:03 The point of format is that simple things are simple, and hard things are possible. 02:29:09 Just like everything else in lisp. 02:31:37 incandenza [~incandenz@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:12 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:33:35 *_3b* thinks teaching slime to explain format strings would be more useful than a more verbose replacement for format 02:33:49 elliottcable [~ec@ec2-174-129-205-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 02:34:31 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 02:40:41 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:23 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit 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They're all still asleep, and I'm going to bed. Good night. 02:55:43 'night pjb. 02:56:51 By the way, _3b wanted a format explainer. Does sicl already implement format? 02:57:07 All except floating-point printers. 02:57:22 Good, then an explainer could be derived from it, I guess. 02:57:25 What is a "format explainer"? 02:57:41 Explains what "~A ~:[~{~:[+2~;-1~] ~}~;+0 +0 +0 ~]~%" would mean. 02:57:48 <_3b> yeah, i was thinking SICL might make a good starting point 02:57:55 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A2E77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:05 So there. Good night. :-) 02:58:42 Definitely an interesting project. 03:07:58 -!- rsynnott [rsynnott@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:08:02 rsynnott [rsynnott@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie] has joined #lisp 03:09:13 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:21:05 cheier [~amedueces@c-76-107-19-58.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:21:49 BlankVerse [~pankajm@121.243.181.99] has joined #lisp 03:22:09 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-182-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:27 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-182-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:22:33 -!- mjonsson_ [~mjonsson@38.109.95.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:51 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has joined #lisp 03:23:53 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-215-61.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 03:27:30 ericbb [~user@blk-224-153-99.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 03:27:57 -!- nilboog 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has joined #lisp 23:17:58 -!- malbertife [~marcoalbe@bl4-142-10.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: malbertife] 23:18:36 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:37 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:44 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.195.246] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 23:19:01 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:07 xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:25 When i load lispbuilder-sdl and then use (sdl:window x y) should my cursor be constantly spinning? Do I need to enable the window or is something wrong with my build? 23:21:43 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:22:44 pislocide: http://code.google.com/p/lispbuilder/wiki/LispbuilderSDL 23:22:51 Plenty of documentation there 23:23:09 thanks drdo 23:26:49 -!- kunwon1 [~kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:27:42 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:06 kunwon1 [~kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1] has joined #lisp 23:30:00 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:33:29 -!- cpc26 [cpc26@pilot.trilug.org] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:34:44 cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.105.27] has joined #lisp 23:41:20 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:42:02 sabalaba [~sabalaba@75-101-62-95.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:12 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:56 -!- sellout [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-15-55.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:13 sellout- [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-15-55.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:46:28 Iceland_jack [~baldur@earth.sudo.is] has joined #lisp 23:47:02 Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-118-139-18-2.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #lisp 23:53:09 iwillig [~iwillig@ool-18b945c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:26 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:55:29 Mococa [~Mococa@189.115.187.118] has joined #lisp 23:55:33 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:56:29 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:29 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:56:29 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 23:57:56 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp