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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkjOf1Bb1NI 12:00:15 -!- youguy [~youguy@212.Red-79-156-218.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 12:04:11 youguy [~youguy@212.Red-79-156-218.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:28 -!- martinhex [~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:26 astoon [~chatzilla@nat105-249-205-109.tvoe.tv] has joined #lisp 12:06:09 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@93.83.191.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:07:35 tfb [~tfb@92.41.71.75.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:09:42 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 12:10:16 -!- youguy [~youguy@212.Red-79-156-218.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:36 youguy [~youguy@212.Red-79-156-218.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:42 razieliyo: no, we shgould not: this is not #ladygaga, this is #lisp. 12:11:15 martinhex 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12:55:51 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has joined #lisp 12:56:00 lol 12:56:22 (defmacro foo (bar) `(defun ,bar () 1)) 12:56:45 (foo zoo) (print (zoo)) 12:57:08 -!- rmar|away [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: bbiaf] 12:57:26 Will defun be evaluated automatically? 12:57:43 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58:24 I mean 12:58:26 Wouldn't be much of a macro, then. 12:58:35 Even though it is quoted 12:59:08 That quote is in the generating code -- not the result. 12:59:18 Oh 13:01:10 ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 13:02:31 zekus_ [~user@84.44.5.34] has joined #lisp 13:05:05 -!- Indecipherable [~IceChat7@41.11.12.198] has left #lisp 13:09:57 Bahman [~bahman@2.144.251.232] has joined #lisp 13:10:12 Hi all! 13:13:16 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:07 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 13:15:10 -!- Amadiro 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[~youguy@50.Red-83-32-55.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:46 (ql:quickload :cl-syntax) fine here 13:44:49 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:46:17 daimrod: I don't understand why the error then 13:46:33 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:47:33 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:48:06 Kenjin: try to update all dist 13:48:16 daimrod: I just did that. 13:49:53 so I don't understand what's wrong :( 13:50:05 can you make any sense of the error messages* 13:50:06 ? 13:50:27 I don't know why "cl-syntax" does no designate any package 13:50:48 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-20-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:53 also, no symbol named "destructuring-ecase" in "alexandria.0.dev" 13:50:55 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-20-58.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:26 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-17-131.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 13:51:32 daimrod: if you can load it fine, it should be a problem with my system 13:51:51 Kenjin: yes, I've tried with both clisp and sbcl 13:52:29 try to remove alexandria and cl-syntax and reload them 13:52:35 Maybe you have an alexandria package already installed somewhere? 13:53:08 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:53:25 rtoym: i'll check. thanks 13:54:05 I'm just guessing, based on the error message about destructuring-ecase. 13:54:18 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-42-197.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:54:19 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 13:57:57 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:58:24 -!- sacho [~sacho@46.10.23.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:58:38 felideon [~felideon@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:40 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 14:04:54 sykopomp 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In addition to primary app (HandyShopper-like shopping list/checklist implemented in Python) this means I'll have no choice but to continue my currently paused work on making CommonQt + CCL work on mobile (ARM) Linux (Meego in this case). 14:44:05 The device has 1 Gb RAM, that's good for CL + Qt combo :) 14:45:31 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:00 isn't Meego dieing 14:46:21 dying* 14:47:56 well, Harmattan may not live on (though it's still isn't known exactly), but Meego will, it's not limited to Nokia and handsets 14:48:02 loke [~elias@bb121-6-225-2.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:48:11 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.172.248.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:23 when nokia announced its shacking up with microsoft intel was claiming that several other vendors were about to release meego handsets 14:50:07 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:31 anyway, it's great mobile environment for CL. Linux, plenty of RAM, as I said, and up to 64 Gb of storage will help, too 14:54:10 interesting 14:55:48 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has joined #lisp 14:56:36 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.172.192.121] has joined #lisp 14:58:35 -!- youguy [~youguy@77.208.211.171] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 15:07:24 cesarbp [~cbp@189.247.164.87] has joined #lisp 15:11:02 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:18 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:12:19 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: bbl] 15:12:53 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-182-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Offline] 15:13:42 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-58-169.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:15:48 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:17:36 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:19:40 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95315ce.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:22:13 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 15:24:03 gz_ [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 15:27:42 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:28:19 -!- billitch [~billitch@bastille.ma3.tv] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:29:23 -!- gz_ [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #lisp 15:31:14 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 15:32:08 -!- bl00dshooter [~bl00dshoo@201.19.111.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32:30 msponge [~msponge@wsip-70-184-110-11.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:52 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-180-5.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:36:15 -!- nicdev [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:09 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Changing host] 15:37:09 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:37:39 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@nat/ibm/x-gbgqteohqljufbfb] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:38:19 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:44 nicdev [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:22 yakov [~yakov@ip-83-149-3-234.nwgsm.ru] has joined #lisp 15:42:45 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 15:42:48 -!- fourier [~user@213.141.149.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:46:10 gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:17 amb007 [~a_bakic@144.4.68.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:59 -!- pdo [~pdo@217.33.254.141] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:35 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has quit [Quit: Byes!] 15:53:51 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 15:57:06 -!- nicdev [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:57:21 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:21 -!- realitygrill_ [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:23 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-98-210-208-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:44 -!- e-user [~e-user@nat/nokia/x-zmxxoobhdpgvijhi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:56 is there a way to see from where exactly is ql:quickload loading a lib from? 16:00:47 iori [~iori@110-133-45-54.rev.home.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:00:57 iwillig [~iwillig@ool-18b945c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:16 Kenjin: quickload use asdf so you can check asdf:*central-registry* 16:02:00 I have. Is this supposed to point to /quicklisp/quicklisp ? 16:02:04 -!- iori [~iori@110-133-45-54.rev.home.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:06 yes 16:02:11 ok 16:02:23 so I'm trying to find a "rogue" alexandria lib installed 16:02:41 I have it from clbuild 16:02:56 however I removed clbuild from the central-registry 16:03:33 iori [~iori@110-133-45-54.rev.home.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:04:22 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.167.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:04:54 did you try to load cl-syntax manually ? (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :cl-syntax) 16:04:58 for some reason alexandria is showing up in .cache/common-lisp 16:05:04 let me try 16:06:05 oh maybe asdf caches recently used package 16:06:10 the output tells me now from where it tries to load alexandria 16:06:32 and indeed is from clbuild I had in the registry 16:07:12 but I removed it. I had this command in .sbclrc to add it to the registry and removed it. 16:07:36 where else can there be something telling asdf about alexandria 16:08:09 -!- msponge [~msponge@wsip-70-184-110-11.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: msponge] 16:08:23 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-153-203.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:10:17 maybe in .config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/somefile.conf 16:10:40 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7557b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:52 yes indeed! 16:11:31 I've got there ~/src/lisp where I have all my lisp stuff including clbuild with alexandria 16:12:47 something like (:tree "~/src/lisp/") ? 16:12:51 daimrod: that was indeed the problem 16:12:53 yes 16:13:18 daimrod: i've narrowed that path a bit 16:13:47 or you should tell cbuild to use your version of alexandria 16:14:03 I've not been using clbuild 16:14:50 does cl-syntax work fine now ? 16:15:14 -!- iori [~iori@110-133-45-54.rev.home.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:22 indeed ;) 16:15:38 cool :) 16:15:53 I'm getting uffi not found for clsql.asd 16:16:44 xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.167.41] has joined #lisp 16:17:32 kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-mdnbbbcvdemlalph] has joined #lisp 16:18:20 shouldn't quicklisp handle this dependency? 16:19:02 thats weird. 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binary representation 23:51:51 that would be a good homework question 23:53:00 Bike [~Glossina@wsip-70-169-225-106.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:45 Not really, i mean is there is something build in the language to do that, or do i need to implement it. 23:54:18 _pr0t0type_ [~prototype@cpe-69-201-142-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:54:25 Bike1 [~Glossina@64.134.223.220] has joined #lisp 23:54:30 not that i've seen, but i'm no expert 23:54:44 it's something like a one liner. 23:56:34 <_pr0t0type_> is lisp purely functional? Or does Haskell take the crown? (<-- noob question here) 23:56:40 yea trying to think of different ways to do it. its like a basic problem but i've not done anything like that lately. 23:56:56 -!- Joreji [~thomas@90-056.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:57:12 a purely functional languague would not be able do anything productive 23:57:19 -!- Bike [~Glossina@wsip-70-169-225-106.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:58:07 <_pr0t0type_> hmm 23:58:15 bitshift ? 23:58:20 <_pr0t0type_> but surely there are useful Haskell programs!!!?? 23:59:12 its not pure 23:59:15 Using monads. But no, most Lisp dialects aren't purely functional. CL has the very imperative PROG, for example. 23:59:17 =] 23:59:23 -!- Bike1 is now known as Bike 23:59:38 don't know monads =( 23:59:56 It is deep magic, judging by the number of explanations of them there are. 23:59:56 still, it must be considered a side effect,