00:01:56 Landr: This is off on a tangent, but have you considered quicklisp? 00:02:10 not really, it's supposed to work with clisp as well :< 00:02:49 ahh wait, I've got it 00:02:58 when I start clisp normally I ignore errors 00:03:11 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:04:01 Hmm, I can load asdf-install in clisp 2.49 without any trouble. where'd you get asdf-install? 00:04:47 *Xach* got his asdf-install from git via quicklisp... 00:04:59 hmm, the file does seem to have a lot of erros 00:05:01 errors* 00:05:17 including mismatched brackets :o 00:06:17 *Landr* tries redownloading it 00:07:09 Where are you getting it? 00:07:31 I used git://github.com/gwkkwg/asdf-install 00:07:56 -!- rolando [~user@197.76.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:00 yes, I downloaded it again and now it seems to be working... fingers crossed! 00:10:04 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:10:09 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.239.166] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:10:23 yup, works fine 00:10:31 odd 00:11:09 I downloaded it from http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf-install/asdf-install_latest.tar.gz, which is linked directly on http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf-install/ 00:11:09 Quicklisp is a little like asdf-install in some respects, but is different in others 00:11:10 Somelauw [~laurent@unaffiliated/somelauw] has joined #lisp 00:11:41 -!- sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 00:11:44 well, the guide i'm following uses asdf :> 00:11:55 asdf is not the same as asdf-install. 00:12:25 translation is pretty easy: where the instructions say (asdf-install:install 'foo), use (ql:quickload 'foo) instead. 00:13:00 -!- Somelauw [~laurent@unaffiliated/somelauw] has left #lisp 00:13:59 aha, found it 00:14:00 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-142-214.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:14:38 two lines are different between the first i downloaded and the one from github 00:15:08 http://paste.lisp.org/display/121101 00:18:08 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-201.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:18:55 mon_key annotated #121086 "slime-inspect-asdf-sytem now w/ preserve-case arg per asdf:coerce-name" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121086#1 00:19:25 so if I'm understanding this correctly, asdf is like a makefile (listing structure and dependencies), and asdf-install is like a package manager (downloading the file and its dependencies necessary)? 00:21:15 Landr: yeah. 00:22:53 oh boy, dependency hell all over again 00:22:55 >Component :DRAKMA not found 00:23:32 Normally asdf-install will grab that automatically for you. 00:23:58 What did you run when you got that? 00:24:12 *Xach* tries to remember if drakma works on clisp 00:24:40 doesn't load for me. 00:24:50 works for me, just installed it 00:25:10 yeah? I'm getting an issue with cl+ssl. 00:25:17 aaand... it works! only 2 warnings to compile hunchentoot 00:25:51 (then again this post IS 4 years old, so it's probably there that the rub lies) 00:26:44 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:32 Hunchentoot doesn't normally work all that well on clisp. 00:29:01 sbcl is supported by more projects than most. 00:29:03 yeah, it's not doing anything 00:29:15 ah well, off to sbcl it is then 00:29:16 *Landr* sighs 00:29:17 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:30:27 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.215.62] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 00:32:41 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:53 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:56 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:43:15 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:44:56 Xach: Glancing through quicklisp/quicklisp/*.lisp it seems like there is some oblique stategery w/r/t to case perverted defsystem'd system-names, e.g. setup.lisp and dist.lisp have some well placed occurences of string-downcase :P 00:45:36 \o/ 00:45:46 khisanth_ [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-0-92.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:56 danlentz annotated #121086 "repl-shortcut" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121086#2 00:45:59 it only took a "war and peace" output of "compiling... check gnupgp key?" messages, but there it is! 00:46:10 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-26-146.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:46:31 -!- khisanth_ is now known as Khisanth 00:48:22 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@203-158-32-3.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:48:50 Landr: it's actually good that you're abusing yourself with asdf-install first. it softens you up for quicklisp. 00:49:39 joy ^_^ 00:50:13 meanwhile... I take it there's no such thing as a library to do assembly/low level system stuff directly in a CL implementation? 00:50:14 sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:50:28 ltriant [~ltriant@203-158-32-3.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 00:51:01 Landr: no library. usually built into the implementation directly in unportable and implementation-specific ways. 00:51:05 mon_key annotated #121086 "and-another" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121086#3 00:51:25 but cffi is a library, no? 00:52:21 cffi is a library. i don't understand why you'd add "but" to the front and "no?" to the end of that statement, though. 00:52:31 -!- sellout [~Adium@80.187.193.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:54:23 i mean, i don't understand how cffi can do such things as, say, push values onto the stack and execute system calls, from within lisp itself (unless of course each implementation has additional functions to do just that) 00:55:09 Landr: all implementations provide enough of a way to find and use C libraries that a portability layer like CFFI is possible. 00:55:19 Not the case for assembly. 00:55:37 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755dad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:41 hmm, ok then 00:56:22 anyway, worries for later :) for now I have a huchentoot to learn of and a package system to mesmerize about 00:58:37 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@76.226.201.250] has joined #lisp 00:58:57 vilsonvieira [~vilson@187.39.187.245] has joined #lisp 01:00:29 danlentz annotated #121086 "sys-shortcut" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121086#4 01:01:02 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.215.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:01:06 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 01:05:10 -!- sh10151 [~sh10151@cpe-76-181-66-90.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 01:11:03 hmm, cliki requires the diff package... but it's broken 01:11:05 now what? 01:14:04 SegFaultAX 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http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_cas.htm 06:58:10 clhs readtable-case 06:58:10 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rdtabl.htm 06:58:12 ? 06:58:15 interesting, (eq 'foo (intern "FOO")) gives me T. so symbols aren't case insensitive? but then how come I can call (defun fun ()) as (fun) (FUN) or (FuN) ? 06:58:17 kennyd: and does this answer your question? 06:58:18 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:58:29 pjb thanks I will check those out 06:58:33 kennyd: no, Common Lisp is not case insensitive. 06:58:55 But by default, the lisp reader upcases the symbol names. 07:00:08 ok that makes sense 07:00:32 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 07:00:37 what's the reason is does that though? kind of odd 07:01:04 Historical. 07:01:28 And it is also entirely customizable, so you can configure it exactly as you want. 07:02:13 Case sensitivity is more sensible. But some people are oblivious to case. 07:02:22 couldn't it break some code if you changed the behavior though? 07:02:44 jpop: it's trivial to implement in emacs functions to change the case of a lisp source. 07:03:35 See upcase-lisp-region and downcase-lisp-region in http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=viewblob&p=public/emacs&h=1974ea9c4ef3a4e4806dde3a1eba2ba3c578bc25&hb=e57067965e5def38d5fa18dab0aa75cff3d049b9&f=pjb-sources.el 07:04:58 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-193-241-28.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:06:24 cool. i have to make myself to switch to emacs/slime one of these days 07:12:26 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-2-54.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:13:39 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:15:05 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-65-159.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15:05 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 07:15:07 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 07:15:13 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:19:59 elon [~elon@D97B19AC.cm-3-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 07:24:40 -!- sacho [~sacho@90.154.197.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:26:05 sacho [~sacho@90.154.207.183] has joined #lisp 07:26:22 koning_robot [~user@s5597d50c.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #lisp 07:26:26 Landr [~user@78-21-48-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 07:26:28 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 07:27:05 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:29:22 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 07:29:36 s|k|a [~s|k|a@89.108.143.11] has joined #lisp 07:30:33 slash_ [~unknown@pD955D7DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:31:40 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.239.166] has joined #lisp 07:37:29 -!- Landr [~user@78-21-48-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:14 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.193.149] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 07:43:43 leo2007 [~leo@114.249.16.204] has joined #lisp 07:48:56 borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:50:07 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:50:23 -!- elon [~elon@D97B19AC.cm-3-4a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59:12 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:56 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:12 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 08:08:14 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:10:22 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 08:11:59 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-131-140.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13:35 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:14:34 jmbr [~jmbr@101.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 08:17:39 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-171-139.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 08:21:27 cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.163] has joined #lisp 08:21:34 -!- cfy [~cfy@218.75.27.163] has quit [Changing host] 08:21:34 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 08:22:38 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-46.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:23:11 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:23:30 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-46.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:52 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 08:26:15 Areil` [~Areil@113.172.55.87] has joined #lisp 08:26:21 Liera` [~user@113.172.55.87] has joined #lisp 08:26:37 snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 08:28:42 -!- Liera [~user@123.21.161.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:28:42 -!- Areil [~Areil@123.21.161.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:29:53 hows the lisping folks? 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in clisp it works without warnings. (defstruct person :name :age) 10:08:24 STYLE-WARNING: Keyword slot name indicates probable syntax error in DEFSTRUCT: :NAME. 10:08:51 jpop: sbcl wants to help you avoid a common mistake. a style-warning can be ignored. 10:08:54 galumph [~ron@bzq-84-108-249-117.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:55 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 10:09:16 what mistake is that? 10:11:22 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-113-121.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:13:12 jpop: writing (defstruct foo :option value ...) instead of (defstruct (foo :option value ...) ...) 10:14:57 glidesurfer [~rosario@77-64-171-36.dynamic.primacom.net] has joined #lisp 10:15:03 jpop: it is very odd to name structure slots with keywords. 10:18:23 oh, (defstruct person name age) works. 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How did you compare them? 11:33:59 is there a library(?) for doing a reasonably large number of http "api" calls to possibly a number of different websites, each with their own limits on request rates? 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derived from the old CADR LispM system, which, AIUI, -is- available as free software. 15:36:14 JuanDaugherty: MIT LispM software is available as source code, indeed 15:36:23 might be slightly hard to initialize, though 15:36:57 Indeed. "E ahoy? 15:37:04 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 15:37:11 http://lispm.dyndns.org/news?ID=NEWS-2010-01-30-1 <--- and this is the only news item known to me about official og2/x86-64 15:37:34 nyef: more like "PDP-10/ITS ho!" 15:37:42 broken link 15:37:45 ... that too. 15:37:58 JuanDaugherty: Loads just fine for me. 15:38:11 JuanDaugherty: try again, might be a connection problem 15:39:27 failed to load in two browsers 15:40:05 error in chrome, white screen in ff 4 15:40:34 I call connection error. 15:40:41 -!- Spion__ [~spion@77.29.248.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:40:41 try http://lispm.dyndns.org/news.html 15:41:04 remember that the server it's on is on some home connection on the author's MBP 15:41:29 MBP? 15:41:38 MacBookPro, presumably? 15:42:16 ah 15:43:13 .oO(how the fuck was that supposed to work?)0o. 15:43:26 JuanDaugherty: what? 15:43:52 a connetion to somebodies mac book pro 15:43:57 JuanDaugherty: ... normally 15:43:57 *connection 15:44:21 Roswig's netowkr has an external IP, his router routes the connection properly 15:44:28 Heh. Probably have to either not run OSX or leave the lid open all the time. 15:44:45 nyef: or disable the sleep somehow? 15:44:51 Yeah, or that. 15:44:56 (it runs LW on OSX) 15:45:02 prolly have it cached 15:45:25 Wasn't aware that it was possible to disable the sleep when closing the lid on OSX? 15:45:29 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:45:35 nyef: third-party kernel module. 15:46:02 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:46:34 JuanDaugherty: anyway, reload-uncached is C- or shift- iirc 15:46:45 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.7.134] has joined #lisp 15:46:50 I meant that you have it cached. 15:47:25 rexim [~rexim@91.204.184.177] has joined #lisp 15:48:56 jesusito [~user@156.pool85-49-244.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 15:49:25 -!- leo2007 [~leo@th041156.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 15:49:46 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:21 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-162-70.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:50:40 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #lisp 15:50:51 JuanDaugherty: nope 15:51:05 *p_l|backup* has enough connection issues to clearly see it as non-cached 15:51:09 hohoho_ [~hohoho@ntkngw592034.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:51:27 tried another ISP and did connect 15:52:45 -!- hohoho_ [~hohoho@ntkngw592034.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 15:53:34 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@i114-182-69-107.s04.a014.ap.plala.or.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:53:57 silenius [~silenus@p4FC2210A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:31 jesusito` [~user@127.pool85-49-28.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 15:54:46 -!- jesusito [~user@156.pool85-49-244.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:55:45 lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-235-180.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 15:58:08 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:59:52 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:04 might have something to do with cl-http because the DNS does resolve 16:00:04 -!- seangrove [~user@c-98-234-242-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:37 DNS' caches :) 16:01:31 #lisp, http://tinyurl.com/3tdxn8g needs your upvotes. 16:02:33 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:21 I don't get it. 16:05:01 yes, g224046009.adsl.alicedsl.de is what my main ISP has cached and the cl-http instance apparently maps the vhost to a different name now 16:05:28 brodo_ [~brodo@p5B02522C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:47 -!- brodo_ [~brodo@p5B02522C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:05:57 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 16:07:20 iirc cl-http will sometimes block clients whose ip it doesn't resolve to its satisfaction too 16:07:50 -!- jesusito` [~user@127.pool85-49-28.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:07:50 -!- brodo [~brodo@p5B022174.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:08:07 danlentz annotated #121086 "slime-inspect-all-dists" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121086#6 16:09:38 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:41 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 16:11:02 danlentz: ql-dist exports all-dists. and it would be better to use ql-dist:enabled-dists. 16:11:18 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA43DF0.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:11:19 Xach: gotcha 16:11:52 ql-dist and its exports are intended for external use. i hope the GF documentation is helpful. 16:12:17 glidesurfer [~rosario@77-64-171-36.dynamic.primacom.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:24 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:13:35 Xach: there are problems with Planks i believe 16:14:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:16:06 planks.btree. Its potential is pretty awesome but btree-delete and non-unique-keys are not (or only partially) implemented 16:17:12 i guess i should use the github issue tracker rather than bother you interactively :) 16:17:15 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:32 Landr [~user@78-21-48-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 16:17:35 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:18:45 daniel_ [~daniel@p5B326BA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:46 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:19:24 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:33 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-162-70.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:19:38 prljavi_hari [~h@dh207-41-55.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 16:19:47 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082BD44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:20:18 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:20:29 danlentz annotated #121086 "slime-inspect-enabled-dists" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121086#7 16:21:18 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 16:22:31 tmh [6348b01a@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 16:22:42 Greetings lispers 16:22:51 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.41] has joined #lisp 16:22:54 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.41] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:23:05 What's the best/easiest ajax framework to use with Hunchentoot ? 16:23:10 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.135.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:23:16 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.41] has joined #lisp 16:23:17 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.193.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:23:19 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.41] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:23:32 Xach: you are a saint for all the work you must put into quicklisp. It looks herculean. 16:23:35 prljavi_hari: a sensible JS library? 16:23:42 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@112.224.3.41] has joined #lisp 16:23:47 prljavi_hari: ht-simple-ajax 16:24:03 Is the primary motivation for using conditions over things like CHECK-TYPE, CCASE, CTYPECASE, ASSERT, etc. is that you give functions higher up on the call stack the ability to handle the error? 16:24:45 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:25:19 Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.135.82] has joined #lisp 16:25:31 ok 16:26:22 MoALTz_ [~no@92.8.252.228] has joined #lisp 16:27:06 tmh: It typically provides more (programmatically accessible) information about the error, yes. 16:28:23 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.73.195] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:28:30 orivej [~orivej@host-102-146-66-217.spbmts.ru] has joined #lisp 16:29:13 nyef: I'm trying to decide how much effort to put into condition handling in a library that I'm writing. It emits commands to a stream that is either a batch file to be fed to a program or the stream can be interactive input to the program. I'm trying to make the commands atomic and perform all of the input validation prior to sending them to the stream. 16:31:24 Depends on who the ultimate consumer of the conditions is, a program, a programmer, or an end-user. 16:31:28 -!- prljavi_hari [~h@dh207-41-55.xnet.hr] has left #lisp 16:32:05 prljavi_hari: anyway, IMHO in well-designed application, unless you're going for continuation-based workflow or similar, the AJAX stuff happens mainly on JS side, while all the rest can be easily handled by hunchentoot + some-json-lib 16:32:09 Also depends on how thorough you want to be with documentation, and so on. 16:32:44 nyef: In the near to mid term, it will only be me, so I'd just as soon do the minimum checking. But, I don't want to code myself into a corner where it becomes a Herculean effort to bolt better conditions on when I start training others to use it. 16:33:02 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.103.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34:01 Then figure out what the minimum is, what you expect to see what "better conditions" would look like, and make sure that what you do is close to the minimum but with an upgrade path. 16:35:51 If it's more a matter of telling a programmer / user what's gone wrong so that they can correct it, simple-error conditions with good messages are typically sufficient. If you expect a program to behave intelligently, then you need custom condition classes. 16:38:09 A straight-up TYPE-ERROR, though, doesn't tell anyone much, so anybody seeing one thus needs to dig a bit to figure out what's what. 16:38:16 prljavi_hari: also look at gtfl -- easiest. 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18:01:57 i.e. preserving conses, replacing cars. 18:02:02 map-into 18:02:54 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 18:05:19 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.7.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:06:17 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 18:07:41 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-173648.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:14:29 -!- sacho [~sacho@90.154.207.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:22 astoon [~astoon@109.188.200.143] has joined #lisp 18:17:18 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:17:59 naryl: you can compare Haskell and Lisp by watching Liskell. 18:18:29 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.110.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:18:39 danlentz: what's planks? 18:19:22 seangrove [~user@adsl-69-228-190-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:21 -!- nuntius [~nuntius@pool-71-162-117-166.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:21:38 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 18:26:34 -!- spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-113-121.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:28:23 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:29:35 Hoornet [~Hoornet@93.103.24.156] has joined #lisp 18:29:46 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-209-103.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 18:29:51 -!- Hoornet [~Hoornet@93.103.24.156] has quit [Client Quit] 18:30:29 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-154-184.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:21 -!- astoon [~astoon@109.188.200.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:32 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.8.252.228] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:20 Sprayzor [~user@82.159.115.173.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:12 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-108-94.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:34:15 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 18:34:33 seangrov` [~user@68-26-153-227.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:53 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5B0C6F7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:36 borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:43 -!- seangrove [~user@adsl-69-228-190-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:46 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #lisp 18:41:42 fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 18:42:22 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:44:16 -!- htierno [~htierno@108-100-16-190.fibertel.com.ar] has quit [] 18:45:47 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-22-64-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:57 -!- The_Fellow1 [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:48:34 The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has joined #lisp 18:49:34 -!- Areil [~Areil@113.172.55.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:03 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5B0C6F7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:03 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-82-87-23.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:16 joe999 [~root@cpe-24-93-169-224.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:51:39 allegro lisp: how to run a project from the command line? 18:51:44 MoALTz [~no@92.8.252.228] has joined #lisp 18:52:21 joe999: check allegro's documentation. But basically: alisp source.lisp # shoud do something. 18:52:28 -!- The_Fellow is now known as tester_111 18:53:10 thanks. 18:53:36 -!- resub [~resub@CPE-58-175-148-62.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:55:41 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:55:42 Xach: I've updated the cl-net homepage announcing our plans. 18:56:14 so, you could link to it now: http://common-lisp.net/#2011-upgrading 18:56:23 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-145.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:57:26 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #lisp 18:58:22 hmpf 18:58:24 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 18:58:29 Don't have a reddit account. 18:58:41 anyone care to submit the above link to reddit? 19:02:45 tmh pasted "Macro for Atomic Write to Command Stream" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121117 19:04:40 The arguments to the macro would be the buffer name, command stream name, and the body. 19:05:34 (atomic-write stream (write-string prefix stream) (do-some-error-checking) (write-string data stream)) 19:05:42 (with-atomic-write stream (write-string prefix stream) (do-some-error-checking) (write-string data stream)) 19:05:50 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:05:55 ehu: is there any more permanent link? 19:06:15 pjb: Yeah, I'm leaning more towards the with-atomic-write version, thanks. 19:06:19 You could also generalize for input too, so: (with-atomic-stream-io stream ...) ; or just with-atomic-io 19:06:52 For input, you would get the file-position first, and handler-case to restore it in case of problem. 19:07:00 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:07:55 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-87-47-213.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:15 pjb: Oddly enough, at this stage I only have to worry about feeding the beast commands. For any input, I'll rely on meta-sexp which pretty much handles file position and friends. 19:09:38 (with-atomic-write (buffer :stream *command-stream*) (check-data-and-write-to-buffer)) 19:10:00 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 19:10:00 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 19:10:00 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:10:06 You don't need to name the buffer. Just the "stream". 19:10:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:32 (write (with-output-to-string (stream) ...) stream) 19:10:55 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 19:10:55 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 19:10:55 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:11:14 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:11:42 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-171-139.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 19:13:26 pjb: Okay, so I understand, take advantage of the lexical binding? 19:14:01 Any binding. 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On windows, alisp.exe is always running using the WINDOWS subsystem (as opposed to the CONSOLE subsystem), but you can suppress the little white window using +c. 19:44:50 -!- silenius [~silenus@p4FC2210A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:39 -!- s|k|a [~s|k|a@89.108.143.11] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 19:49:43 googol [~matthew@207.47.108.13.static.nextweb.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:39 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 19:51:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:17 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 19:52:17 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 19:52:17 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:54:33 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #lisp 20:03:49 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:05:24 darrh00 [~darren@117.79.233.171] has joined #lisp 20:13:37 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 20:15:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-46.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16:01 -!- dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:59 -!- tester_111 is now known as The_Fellow 20:21:24 MoALTz_ [~no@92.8.253.137] has joined #lisp 20:23:08 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.8.252.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:23:22 -!- darrh00 [~darren@117.79.233.171] has left #lisp 20:27:29 urandom__ [~user@p548A5511.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:37 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:28:00 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-36.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 20:28:05 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-4a5a6ee5.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:33 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-4a5a6ee5.dyn.optonline.net] has left #lisp 20:35:58 GazCMarsh [~yaaic@cpc1-grth2-0-0-cust322.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:36:55 -!- GazCMarsh [~yaaic@cpc1-grth2-0-0-cust322.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 20:38:07 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:39:50 Joreji [~thomas@77-22-64-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:40:34 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:44:34 lichblau: The function CG.BASE:DEVELOPMENT-MAIN-WINDOW was called while Common Graphics is not running, which is not allowed. 20:44:40 joe999: "...but you can suppress the little white window using +c." This is what I covered when I said GO READ THE ALLEGRO'S DOCUMENTATION! 20:45:40 tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:02 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.7.134] has joined #lisp 20:48:16 -!- seangrov` [~user@68-26-153-227.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:48:31 pnq [~nick@ACA2E6E3.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 20:48:46 joe999: if you go on reading the documentation, as I indicated, you will find an even more interesting option. 20:49:22 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@92.8.253.137] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:49:44 MoALTz [~no@92.8.253.137] has joined #lisp 20:50:15 -!- ASau` [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:30 bsod1 [~osa1@88.241.62.150] has joined #lisp 20:51:06 ASau` [~user@93-80-218-22.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:51:36 -!- hun` [~user@95-90-10-28-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:48 -!- Sprayzor [~user@82.159.115.173.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:02 kephas [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-10-231.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:54:43 -!- nowhereman [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-41-185.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:55:23 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-154-184.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:32 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-232-154-184.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:59:18 -!- googol [~matthew@207.47.108.13.static.nextweb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:59:32 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:01:29 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-119-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:02:29 I'm not trying to run an already generated executable, I'm trying to generate that executable from a project at the cli, and than run it. 21:02:54 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:03:01 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 21:03:14 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.47] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:04:06 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:06:34 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 21:08:00 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 21:08:23 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.80.202] has joined #lisp 21:10:57 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:13:03 joe999: you need to start it explicitly using (cg:initialize-cg) 21:13:16 http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/8.2/doc/cgide.htm#noproject-app-1 21:13:24 Xach: Posted to lisp.reddit about the cl-net move. 21:13:47 Xach: could you add a post to planet.lisp.org? 21:15:08 -!- scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:16:46 Thanks, but I'm on an ssh text connection and that returns a missing DISPLAY env var. 21:17:48 I suppose I could try to fake having an X, but I think I'll just use asdf instead 21:18:19 oh, you've been using the project system, but you don't actually want a GUI? 21:18:33 no, I want to develop and run it from the cli 21:19:11 Then ASDF is the way to go. 21:19:25 -!- Fullma [~fullma@ram94-2-82-66-69-246.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:19:54 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.80.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:19:57 thanks. just thought, maybe there is some way to connect the gui to the lisp image similar to remote slime 21:20:17 LiamH [~healy@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 21:21:01 If you use ssh -X -Y then DISPLAY will be your local X server. 21:21:52 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.178] has joined #lisp 21:22:55 mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has joined #lisp 21:23:01 thanks, but that is a bit too slow to work with on my current connection 21:23:05 I have a hard time imagining that particularly many people are using the allegro IDE at all on platforms other than Microsoft Windows, much less remotely. 21:23:33 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:23:38 I'm a starving artist 21:23:48 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:26:25 so it sounds like allegro isnt used much for linux server applications? 21:26:47 -!- LiamH [~healy@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:26:52 Allegro is used a lot on Linux, but not the IDE. 21:26:59 oh 21:27:26 the IDE was a Windows-only feature until a few years ago 21:30:00 I use the IDE (on Windows), but I don't even like it much there. 21:33:14 ha, I read there is a way to connect it to slime 21:37:18 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.135.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:41:05 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41:54 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-233-179-216.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:42:04 Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.135.82] has joined #lisp 21:44:40 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-173-143.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 21:45:23 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-119-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:29 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:45:46 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-119-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:46:13 ehu: I'm not sure what the info on common-lisp.net is meant to say, but what it tells me is "We are doing something really minor that you might not notice so don't worry about it." That's not the impression I got from the mailing list. 21:46:36 enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-233-177-94.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:12 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:51:47 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:52:50 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:54:53 The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has joined #lisp 21:57:48 Franz's website is different now, but back when we had a license it actually recommended SLIME over their own GUI IDE 21:59:12 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:33 The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has joined #lisp 22:08:19 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-113-121.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:11:37 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host119-185-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:13:06 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755dad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:35 Xach: hmm. that's not really what I'm trying to communicate, except that I really *would* like it to be a smooth ride - meaning that I strive for little interruption. No idea if I'll succeed. 22:17:20 is there a guide to writing good lisp programs/libraries? 22:17:30 I should probably rephase. thanks. 22:17:45 moving services one by one doesn't sound like a strategy of minimal interruption 22:18:50 -!- Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-173-143.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:20:30 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-22-64-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:20:45 lichtblau: well, I was actually hoping to keep the non-moved services accessible on the old host until they too will be moved too. 22:21:28 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-173-143.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 22:22:45 but true. after moving, the services will be available on new subdomains. 22:22:51 so, that's not minimal interruption. 22:23:06 I've rephrased. it's going to be up in (max) 15 minutes. 22:24:02 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:25:13 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:10 jmbr [~jmbr@101.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 22:27:11 sounds to me like something where you'd do a VM snapshot to set up an identical test system, test the upgrade, and then you know that (and how) it will work the second time 22:27:50 that was one of the options. 22:27:58 however, 22:28:21 in order to clear out some really old history, 22:28:25 I mean, that's how I'd do it if someone was paying me for it; I fully understand that free-of-charge c-l.net hosting might come with fewer reliability promises, and I'm not volunteering :-). 22:28:55 the issue is not in the hardware, but in the upgrade of the OS. 22:29:00 (but you knew that?) 22:30:32 yeah, I gathered so much from the mailing list. But I've never customized my Debian servers to the extent that upgrading them from one stable release to the next wouldn't work. :-) Sounds frightening. 22:31:03 well, I can still use that route too. 22:32:06 but at the moment it looks like we'd be really well off with a clean install, dumping all the legacy stuff that might be somewhere in our filesystems and procedures. 22:32:40 do your servers run many automated processes? recent versions of git/git-daemon-run? 22:32:46 (etc) 22:34:08 I am trying to write a getter function. (getter struct :age) should work with all any structs that has age field. is there something like that in standard lib already? 22:34:18 s/all/ 22:34:26 s/all// :) 22:35:34 beelike [~Usuario23@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 22:36:23 I'm doing this to fetch the FOO-AGE symbol given foo struct: (format nil "~a-~a" (type-of instance) attribute) 22:36:33 is there a better way? 22:36:47 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-457c37c3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:38:35 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 22:40:17 kennyd: (slot-value struct 'age) 22:41:59 lol wow, tutorial i'm reading failed to mention that one 22:42:36 minion: tell kennyd about pcl-book 22:42:36 kennyd: look at pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 22:42:48 I guess that is the prefer way of accessing structs over (person-age struct) ? 22:42:53 prefered* 22:43:46 kennyd: not necessarily 22:44:21 for one, the compiler is likely to generate better code for FOO-BAR accessors 22:44:40 scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has joined #lisp 22:45:33 (though if the type of the structure is known, there shouldn't be any difference) 22:46:09 but it really depends on what you're doing 22:46:59 is slot-value on structures really defined by clhs? 22:47:18 not 100% sure -- but i think pretty much every implementations supports it 22:47:36 i think it is, but not sure 22:47:57 most of the time if you're using defstruct instead of defclass, it's because you care about fast slot accesses -- which means that you want to use the FOO-BAR accessors 22:48:18 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:49:02 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:24 (other reasons to use defstruct instead of defclass: faster allocation, better type information for slots, avoiding number-consing) 22:49:49 and what are defclass advantages over defstruct? 22:50:04 but if you're starting out, you should be using defclass -- and switch to defstruct only if it turns out to matte 22:50:27 I see, I haven't got to defclasses yet, will check them out 22:50:41 defclass is more flexible. redefinitions work nicely, and existing instances can be updated for altered definitions 22:51:25 axia [~axia@c-24-131-81-136.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:36 Xach: is the description of the situation better now? (cl.net updated the front page) 22:52:14 Jubb [~ghost@c-98-204-160-127.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:48 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:17 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:58:40 resub [~resub@CPE-58-175-148-62.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:00:28 spooneybarger [~spooneyba@cpe-98-14-83-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:01:32 codelurker [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has joined #lisp 23:01:53 ehu: an improvement 23:02:36 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:06:00 phew 23:06:05 reading CLTL is hard 23:06:14 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:06:31 Landr: Rewarding, though, at times. 23:07:06 *nyef* dug his copy of CLtL1 out recently to look something up for a commit message. 23:07:18 yup 23:07:20 tank_ [~spmcnamar@adsl-75-21-87-212.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:00 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A5511.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:52 -!- adobriyan [~ad@vulture2-nat-45.telecom.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:48 -!- spooneybarger [~spooneyba@cpe-98-14-83-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: spooneybarger] 23:13:06 SeanTAllen [~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-83-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:14:40 museun [~what@c-98-252-140-73.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:17 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:30 brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 23:17:16 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.239.166] has joined #lisp 23:17:40 -!- brill [~brill@0x5da22faa.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.hrnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 23:17:57 (x-post on #sbcl) Can anyone point me to a good example of using SBCL's event-handler (sb-sys:add-fd-handler), etc. with sockets? This seems like ti should be trivial, but I'm struggling to get it working and am not finding much info online. Also, it looks like I should be using SOCKET-FILE-DESCRIPTOR but other than a brief line on the sbcl-internals page, that doesn't seem to be in the SBCL docs. 23:19:20 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@88.241.62.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:22:08 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-171-36.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:22:25 tank_: I haven't seen many projects that use serve-event. 23:23:29 More common to multithread? 23:23:55 http://jsnell.iki.fi/tmp/echo-server.lisp 23:27:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:25 Thanks jsnell. That looks very similar to what I'm doing, but I don't seem to get the events handled. If I make a call to sb-sys:handle-event or sb-sys:handle-all-events, the call simply hangs and no data gets pulled from the socket. If I break and issue reads on the stream mapped to the socket I can pull characters off so it appears the data is there. 23:29:19 Not sure of IRC etiquette. Is it OK to paste a code snippet? 23:29:30 (for me to post, that is.) 23:30:30 tank_: use paste.lisp.org 23:31:03 -!- codelurker [~codelurke@66.71.230.192] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 23:32:07 tank_ pasted "add-fd-handler snippet" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/121124 23:32:38 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:49 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:32 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@101.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:48:57 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 23:51:17 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 23:52:06 -!- eudoxia [~eudoxia@r190-64-209-103.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:40 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:58:53 xan_ [~xan@64.197.211.195] has joined #lisp 23:59:05 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp