00:02:21 any mcclim experts around? 00:02:41 has anyone built the spec out of the mcclim sources in recent memory? 00:06:56 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@184.18.7.169] has quit [Quit:  In our sky there is no limits, and masters we have none; heavy metal is the only one! ] 00:07:41 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:12:06 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-179-184-149.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14:09 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 00:14:09 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:17:25 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 00:18:31 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:21:07 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 00:21:43 slyrus: what does "built the spec out" mean? 00:22:02 good question 00:22:15 I guess I meant to put together the pdf doc of the spec 00:22:36 slyrus: lemme check 00:22:40 but there's a bunch of source files for figures and what not that look like they haven't been built in a long time... 00:22:51 pdflatex clim does the trick for just putting the pdf together 00:23:24 i have an texinfo of the manual if that helps... 00:24:22 its dated nov 27 2010 00:30:16 -!- oconnore [~eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:30:16 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:30:16 MoALTz_ [~no@92.8.227.230] has joined #lisp 00:30:17 oconnore [~eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:11 -!- CallToPower [~CallToPow@s15229144.onlinehome-server.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:31:58 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-211-47.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:31 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.8.227.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:33:02 CallToPower [~CallToPow@s15229144.onlinehome-server.info] has joined #lisp 00:33:50 -!- McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:35:01 I was able to build a pdf of the spec, the mcclim manual is a different beast though 00:35:21 I still can't seem to locate a file chooser dialog box thingy though... 00:35:58 Doc/Guided-Tour dosn't contain file-browser.lisp ? 00:37:13 euangelion [~proba@cpe-67-244-127-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:37:15 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:39:42 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:17 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-112-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:41:20 -!- ray24 [~ray24@adsl-70-231-247-87.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:06 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:47:04 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 00:48:29 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 00:48:36 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 00:52:07 oh, who would have thought to look there??? :) 00:52:41 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 00:52:51 McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has joined #lisp 00:53:59 slyrus: Wow! 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04:53:14 <_3b> same as a function that takes anything else as a parameter 04:53:27 _3b, ok 04:53:41 <_3b> if you mean 'how do you call a function passed as a parameter' maybe you want FUNCALL or APPLY 04:54:01 _3b no I meant how do I write one 04:54:05 <_3b> or if you mean 'how do you pass a function as a parameter' maybe you want FUNCTION or #' 04:54:23 -!- wanderingelf [4817e03a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.23.224.58] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:56:49 I am trying to write a function to check if a number is prime. To do this, it checks if every number in a list is a factor of the number. I keep getting this error: *** - EVAL: undefined function P 04:57:31 <_3b> lisppaste: url 04:57:31 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 04:57:46 http://pastebin.com/2Kns3ypD 04:58:23 <_3b> right, see the 'how to call a function passed as a parameter' answer 04:58:26 <_3b> clhs funcall 04:58:26 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_funcal.htm 04:58:32 <_3b> ^ and that 04:59:08 thanks 04:59:09 <_3b> and the 'how to pass a function as a parameter answer 04:59:13 <_3b> clhs #' 04:59:13 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhb.htm 04:59:16 <_3b> ^ and that 04:59:38 <_3b> actually, nevermind the second bit, you seem to have passed a valid function 05:00:01 *_3b* should read more closely 05:00:25 _3b what's the difference between funcall and apply? 05:00:38 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:00:47 <_3b> apply takes a list of arguments to pass to the function, instead of a bunch of separate arguments 05:00:58 _3b oh ok thankjs 05:01:17 <_3b> (+ 1 2 3) = (funcall #'+ 1 2 3) = (apply #' '(1 2 3)) 05:01:31 <_3b> s/#' /#'+ / 05:01:54 well, it's only the last parameter that should be a list 05:02:33 <_3b> right, i was simplifying a bit, see CLHS pages for full details 05:06:13 fckStick [fckStick@173-21-234-231.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 05:08:39 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA39E2B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:13:13 Spion__ [~spion@77.29.254.114] has joined #lisp 05:15:52 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 05:16:23 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:19:40 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 05:22:03 Hundenn [~Hunden@e180099169.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 05:24:30 -!- jleija_away [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:24:54 -!- srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26:56 -!- Hunden [~Hunden@e180100043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:30:10 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 05:36:05 -!- sakekasi [631c9518@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.28.149.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:36:06 -!- fckStick [fckStick@173-21-234-231.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38:38 -!- karbak [~akr@ip67-152-0-115.z0-152-67.customer.algx.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:40:11 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-3-183.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:51 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-77-170.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:45:35 sakekasi [~sakekasi@99-28-149-24.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:09 Is there a function in lisp similar to the include macro in c? 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[~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:18 algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:47:49 -!- wliao [~wliao@2001:da8:215:6001:ae81:12ff:fe34:c30c] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:58 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-191-157.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:50:49 algal pasted "little style question" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/120690 11:51:57 Anyone lurking? If anyone has a spare minute, I'd be curious to hear opinions regarding which of the three options in the paste above is better style. 11:52:04 Or, more likely, maybe there is clear "better"... 11:52:17 *_3b* would vote for (baz (bar (foo *init*))) 11:53:13 _3b: ok. for clarity? efficiency? 11:53:31 tradition? 11:53:32 <_3b> clarity, wouldn't expect it to matter much for efficiency either way 11:53:55 <_3b> b is just confusing 11:54:22 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:33 b is basically C translated into lisp. Assign. mutate mutate mutate, return. 11:54:34 <_3b> a seems sort of silly to bind a variable C just to return it, and if you extract the (baz b) call and return that directly, the same applies to binding B and only using it once 11:54:43 <_3b> until eventually you end up with no LET anymore 11:55:10 *_3b* would probably write baz(bar(foo(INIT))); in C too :p 11:56:17 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:56:47 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 11:56:59 I like the compactness of c. But when the operations are non-trivial I find it confusing that it reverses the order of operations. Especially when the functions take multiple args. 11:57:14 <_3b> right, answer might change in a real example 11:57:37 <_3b> and formatting gets important quickly when nesting multiple arg functions 11:57:50 yes. 11:58:09 lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-191-157.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 11:58:52 Do nested LETs impose a runtime cost? Or can one use nested LETs to express clarifying semantic differences between stages of an operation, at no cost to the ultimate compiled output? 11:59:13 davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:40 Because we could also imagine (let ((a *init)) (let ((b (foo a))) b)) forms being helpful in some non-trivial examples 11:59:44 <_3b> i wouldn't expect LETs to affect performance 12:00:08 xxxyyy [~xyxu@180.172.53.36] has joined #lisp 12:01:02 I would expect the runtime cost to vary by implementation and optimization settings, but also that they would be effectively free on any real implementation. 12:01:44 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 12:02:25 nyef: thx. got a thought on the style question? 12:02:58 Ragnaroek [~Adium@p5B0C5D0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:03:07 Taking a look now. 12:03:09 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 12:04:04 I'd go with A or C, depending on how important it is to name the intermediate values. 12:04:12 -!- tr3x [~tr3x@78-1-163-90.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:04:49 And, in A, I'd tend to leave off the bindings at B, and then just return (BAZ B) instead of introducing a binding for C. 12:05:28 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:32 gabnet [~gabnet@86.67.23.234] has joined #lisp 12:05:37 cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 12:05:39 (The binding name for the result, unless there's more processing to be done, would end up being either "result" or some variation on the name of the function, thus providing little-to-no information.) 12:05:58 I am toying with my own version of destructuruing-bind with a special symbol as placeholder - using it from a different package breaks the equality comparision of the special symbol. Whats the way to choose? Exporting the special symbol? Comparing over the string-representation? ... 12:06:09 nyef: thanks. 12:06:38 sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:42 churib: exporting can work. 12:06:42 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:16 churib: While there are precedents for both, the exported symbol is typically considered "better" in some sense. Or you could just use a keyword symbol. 12:07:30 silenius [~silenus@p4FC23037.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:41 tr3x [~tr3x@93-138-210-113.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 12:08:01 I'll try it with exporting - thanks Xach & nyef 12:08:42 *_3b* ponders using LOOP as a alternate-destructuring-bind-without-extra-libraries 12:08:54 I have a problem with quicklisp on SBCL. Updating will probably help but the admin is not reachable ATM. It crashes with no symbol named "DELETE-DIRECTORY" in "SB-EXT" when I run (quicklisp-quickstart:install). 12:09:20 $ sbcl --version 12:09:23 SBCL 1.0.29.11.debian 12:11:15 That's more than a year old. 12:11:23 nyef: That's Debian. 12:11:40 _3b: I am writing it for convenience 12:12:04 naryl: I am updating soon to avoid the reference to sb-ext:delete-directory. 12:12:17 naryl: if you don't want to wait, use a non-debian version of sbcl. (that's a good idea in general.) 12:12:21 And DELETE-DIRECTORY is new as of 1.0.43.62. 12:12:26 thanks 12:14:38 leo2007 [~leo@221.219.114.95] has joined #lisp 12:28:23 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 12:30:27 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-96-41.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:35:25 mgampkay [~mgampkay@14.145.63.164] has joined #lisp 12:35:31 -!- mgampkay [~mgampkay@14.145.63.164] has left #lisp 12:39:33 zmv [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 12:46:08 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.186.27] has joined #lisp 12:46:14 gozek [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 12:49:32 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754c26.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:05 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:00:54 jmbr [~jmbr@142.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:06:46 -!- gozek [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:07:08 am0c [~am0c@121.129.24.74] has joined #lisp 13:11:01 -!- silenius [~silenus@p4FC23037.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:44 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.186.27] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:14:26 -!- leo2007 [~leo@221.219.114.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:14:45 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:16:05 -!- Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-151.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:18:05 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.186.27] has joined #lisp 13:19:32 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Offline] 13:20:48 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-119-109.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:23:23 -!- am0c [~am0c@121.129.24.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:55 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:10 -!- Ragnaroek [~Adium@p5B0C5D0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28:39 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-194.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:30:58 silenius [~silenus@p4FC23037.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:20 fckStick [~fckStick@173-21-234-231.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 13:32:56 etenil [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:32:58 Hi there 13:33:10 is there a way to determine if a symbol is a function? 13:33:21 fboundp 13:33:29 pjb: ah thanks 13:33:31 A symbol is not a function, it's a symbol. 13:33:39 funcp didn't seem to exist :) 13:33:48 But you can test whether it's bound, in its function slot, to some function. 13:33:58 functionp is the predicate for functions. 13:34:11 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-149-188-238.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34:11 which is better? functionp? 13:34:19 (is a symbol bound to the function which is the predicate...) 13:34:33 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-163-194.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:34:34 What did I just say? 13:34:42 a function is not a symbol and a symbol is not a function. 13:34:50 -!- chxane [~chxane@c-76-124-17-190.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34:55 The function slot of a symbol can be bound to a function. 13:35:08 er... 13:35:16 ah ok 13:35:46 so you mean a symbol can contain a function? 13:36:08 -!- krl is now known as mes 13:36:24 pnq [~nick@AC8146DF.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:25 -!- mes is now known as krl 13:36:47 etenil: "contain" doesn't mean much. One could say a symbol can contain one, two, three, or more functions! 13:37:26 I see 13:37:42 so fboundp checks if any function is present in the symbol 13:37:46 yes. 13:37:52 thank you 13:37:59 :) 13:39:08 boundp can also check if any function is present in the symbol... 13:40:18 etenil: a symbol has several places where to store a function (an infinite number, with its property-list). 13:40:28 pjb: but boundp checks if anything is on the symbol, not only functions, right? 13:40:32 Right. 13:40:53 But it can be a function if you stored one in there. 13:41:04 yeah. 13:41:44 -!- davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:42:54 -!- etenil [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:31 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #lisp 13:51:23 benny [~benny@i577A3907.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:53:23 youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 13:54:03 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159931.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:55:48 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.208.67] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:37 lompa [~lompa@205.Red-88-19-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:07:26 -!- lompa [~lompa@205.Red-88-19-179.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 14:08:26 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: algal] 14:09:34 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:10:18 gz_ [~gz@52.sub-75-213-245.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 14:10:54 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:34 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 14:12:35 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:15:03 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:15:26 -!- youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:15:30 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.139.95.133] has joined #lisp 14:16:13 algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 14:18:29 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 14:18:35 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-125.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:22:08 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has joined #lisp 14:23:14 youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 14:23:25 -!- youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:45 youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 14:25:08 -!- fckStick [~fckStick@173-21-234-231.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:27:58 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 14:29:13 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.139.95.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30:19 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-191-157.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:30:50 fckStick [~fckStick@173-21-234-231.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 14:32:20 lifeng [~lifeng@bb116-14-191-157.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:32:46 -!- Salamander_ is now known as Salamander 14:34:35 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:37:05 -!- lusory [~bart@bb121-6-27-74.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:45 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:40:09 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@142.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:42:48 -!- quasisane [~sanep@c-76-24-80-97.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:45:20 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #lisp 14:47:40 lusory [~bart@bb121-6-227-103.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:48:37 is there a way to make a deep-copy of an arbitrary CLOS instance ? 14:49:06 ZabaQ: Sure! sb-posix:fork should do the job quite handily! 14:49:27 (Alternately, no, because the task is ill-specified.) 14:49:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #lisp 14:49:52 does CLOS define such a concept? 14:51:04 fair enough 14:51:39 http://www.foldr.org/~michaelw/log/programming/lisp/copying-clos-objects 14:52:06 hmm 14:52:22 -!- youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:52:45 rme [~rme@pool-70-104-115-178.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:05 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:53:14 -!- fckStick [~fckStick@173-21-234-231.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:55:42 I thought michaelw had a copying library, but it's an equivalence library (mw-equiv) 14:57:08 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754c26.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:37 -!- aidalgol [aidan@2002:453d:f72::1337:3] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:59:08 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:59:49 loke [~elias@bb119-74-213-61.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 15:00:14 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:00:17 Yuuhi [benni@p5483DBBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:30 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 15:03:06 -!- zmv is now known as ruby19 15:03:24 -!- ruby19 is now known as zmv 15:03:49 -!- zmv is now known as python3 15:03:52 -!- python3 [~daniel@c934a9f5.virtua.com.br] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:07:24 trebor_home [~email@dslb-088-069-146-072.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:00 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-14-157.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:40 morning 15:12:34 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 15:13:29 aidalgol [aidan@69.61.15.114] has joined #lisp 15:14:04 allo 15:15:17 -!- longfin [~longfin@211.187.37.46] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:59 Hello slyrus. 15:21:11 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:21:46 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-14-157.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 15:21:52 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-14-157.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:03 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 15:22:30 *slyrus* hates it when the kernel panics and he loses his slime history 15:22:47 Ouch. 15:23:12 Kernel panics suck. 15:24:35 (Which reminds me, at some point I should upgrade the kernel on this box and see if it still panics when playing video after disconnecting an external monitor...) 15:27:08 <_8david> I think these days there's no excuse for not appending history entries to disk immediately at runtime. 15:27:34 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:44 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@180.172.53.36] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:29:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:32:39 Ragnaroek [~Adium@p5B0C5D0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:33:15 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-213-213-26.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:33:30 *JuanDaugherty* has not experienced kernel panics is quite a while, last spate when I was setting up netbooting and in general only during boot phase. V4L is taking down the whole system? 15:33:40 s/is/in/ 15:34:29 -!- Ragnaroek [~Adium@p5B0C5D0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:34:54 La0fer [~Laofers1@64.120.233.114] has joined #lisp 15:35:30 that means that you're not pushing the envelope far enough 15:35:41 Some batchbuffer problem with the intel video driver. Might have long since been fixed, but I'm still running debian lenny with some stuff from squeeze a year ago and a custom kernel. 15:35:55 Sikander [~userid@5356F49F.cm-6-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 15:36:06 Hi guys 15:36:23 nyef: what were you using to play the video? 15:36:38 p_l|backup: mplayer. 15:36:42 custom kernel 15:36:45 Is there a recommended parse-float? 15:36:49 JuanDaugherty: Well, not a distro kernel. 15:36:56 nyef: which video output driver? 15:36:57 Xv? 15:37:05 p_l|backup: Don't know, but probably. 15:37:11 yes, that's what I meant, i.e. the root cause 15:37:24 nyef: and do you per chance have older intel chip, like X3100 or older? 15:37:52 (GM965) 15:38:32 Umm... It's whatever comes with the Atom N450 chipset. 15:39:23 Is there any interest in putting a parse-float in alexandria? 15:39:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:40:15 nyef: switch to -vo gl 15:40:24 Are there plans for that? 15:40:29 intel's Xv support is buggy as hell 15:40:42 ... Oh, joy. 15:41:08 Well, not actually going to try any time soon, but perhaps later this month. 15:41:14 ... or next month. 15:42:53 nyef: it leads to such fun option lines like that one: mplayer -vo gl:yuv=2 -vf-clr -af-clr -lavdopts fast:threads=2:skiploopfilter=nonref 15:43:48 ... I think I'm going to look forward to getting a new machine. Surely radeonhd is better than this crap? 15:44:08 no idea 15:46:40 -!- Sikander [~userid@5356F49F.cm-6-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:47:27 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:53:33 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.103.182] has joined #lisp 15:53:37 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.103.182] has quit [Changing host] 15:53:37 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@fsf/member/vu3rdd] has joined #lisp 15:53:56 *cmm* 's netbook doesn't give him any trouble lately. but the kernel is brand spanking new, which probably means lots of fixes in the i915 (or whatever it's called) drivers 15:55:08 evening 15:56:34 cmm: and then sometime later you find out that you were running on SGX535 ^_- 15:59:23 -!- gz_ [Clozure@clozure-885BDCA8.sub-75-213-245.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 16:00:17 -!- McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:32 -!- gz_ [~gz@52.sub-75-213-245.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:01:34 *ZabaQ* accidentally tried to evaluate (letf ..) and wondered what it would do if it was a real setf form.. 16:02:08 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:06:08 Hraban [~user@94-226-248-55.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 16:06:30 -!- Hraban is now known as Landr 16:08:30 p_l|backup: not according to /proc/pci/devices, but what do I know :) 16:12:49 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: algal] 16:13:57 cmm: nah, you might simply haven't hit bugs in intel or got a recent enough driver for anold enough card... unless it shows "Intel GMA 500" :P 16:15:12 (which is basically SGX535 on a PCI-E interface) 16:15:49 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082B927.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:41 -!- Landr [~user@94-226-248-55.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18:26 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5B327FAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18:37 Landr [~user@94-226-248-55.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 16:18:41 *stassats* is uncertain how is that all related to Lisp 16:19:53 definitely isn't 16:19:54 McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has joined #lisp 16:19:59 dlila [~dlila@CPE0014d1c9243c-CM001bd71cede2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 16:19:59 jmbr [~jmbr@93.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:24:03 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:04 were device drivers written in lisp on lisp machines? 16:27:42 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-168-189-41.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:27:55 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:19 dmytrish__ [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:36 -!- dmytrish_ [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28:40 JuanDaugherty: Some of them were, some of them weren't. 16:29:18 Disk I/O, for example, had to be in microcode because it was used for virtual memory storage. 16:29:30 (The entire image, in fact, was demand-paged from disk.) 16:29:46 microcode doesn't count 16:29:55 Right, my point exactly. 16:30:11 if it was real firmware 16:30:15 Actually, I suspect that /most/ of the drivers were in microcode. 16:30:19 -!- seangrove [~user@c-98-234-242-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:30:24 Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.248.124] has joined #lisp 16:30:42 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:30:46 -!- seejay [~seejay@unaffiliated/seejay] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:57 alama [~alama@62.169.67.133] has joined #lisp 16:31:29 ... For the TI Explorer systems, the NuPI disk controller board itself had a 68k onboard that actually ran the SCSI bus and talked to the host via NuBus and a shared RAM segment. 16:31:35 if microcode means the operator lang/assembler of the processor, less so but similar 16:32:06 Right, microcode was the underlying instruction set of the processor, the "real" instruction set as it were. 16:32:12 (i.e. the central processor vs. a controller) 16:32:26 Then there was "macrocode", which corresponds to what we'd call "bytecode" these days. 16:32:35 i thought microcode was the domain of the electrical engineers? 16:32:45 So the macrocode was the lisp-level instruction set. 16:33:38 Given that the first generations of these CPUs were implemented on multiple circuit boards, do you really expect an EE to not be involved? 16:33:40 bogosortist [~wasabwack@74.111.196.18] has joined #lisp 16:34:14 hello 16:34:36 We're talking about "back in the day", when many CPUs /were/ microcoded, and if you were lucky would have a writable microstore so you could define your own instructions. 16:35:06 ooh, neat 16:36:16 (And why microcode? Because the microinstructions tended to be wide, as in 48-bits easily, and macroinstructions tended to be narrower and higher-level, such as 16 bits wide and producing operations like CAR or AREF...) 16:36:32 burroughs had user microprogrammability on one of their lines 16:36:58 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-200-111.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:37:29 (1000 series, the whole of main memory was addressable as a single bit string) 16:37:35 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-200-111.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:34 tauntaun [~icarus@64.134.103.47] has joined #lisp 16:38:50 burroughs machines would have made really good lisp machines 16:39:06 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.248.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:39:21 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:39:39 nyef: you're talking about modern intel or AMD? 16:39:42 :P 16:40:02 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=800132.804322 apparently was done 16:40:02 Oh, that'd be nice. 16:40:40 wow 16:40:46 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:40:50 p_l|backup: I don't suppose my N450 has a decent amount of writable microstore, does it? 16:41:29 nyef: first few Atoms had no microcode, but yours might already have one. But Intel's microcode tends to be very short 16:41:46 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@p5B2CD316.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42:04 internal instructions tend to be quite long, though 16:42:32 I think Pentium 3 and derivatives had ~112 bits microinstructions 16:43:08 gz_ [~gz@72.71.250.53] has joined #lisp 16:47:46 (description of both Pentium 3 and NetBurst was in one of th eCPU design books I read) 16:47:46 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:48:04 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:12 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@93.32.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:48:56 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:49:05 urandom__ [~user@p548A313F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:27 sicp is a strange book 16:51:27 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:52:31 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 16:52:34 ... what I find weirder is the fact that I felt urge to scream "FOO!" and bang you on the head with LispM manual as soon as I had seen that line... 16:52:46 *p_l|backup* looks at SICP on his bookshelf 16:53:44 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:53:59 i mean, it's good and all, but it feels so... odd, to hear common programming concepts presented in such a way 16:54:02 -!- trigen [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:11 like data and process abstraction/substitution 16:55:09 Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.248.124] has joined #lisp 16:55:39 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:56:47 ... I have now tried two different guitar/instrument tuner programs on this machine. Neither has worked, although lingot came closest to doing so. 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I can't reproduce it. 18:17:47 cheezus [~Adium@76-10-163-32.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 18:18:01 i can't reproduce either! 18:18:26 faux [~user@c-219c70d5.035-128-67626713.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:18:41 -!- cheezus [~Adium@76-10-163-32.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 18:19:19 stassats: Adoption is a fine choice 18:19:35 stassats: I heard crashing SBCL is more difficult than crashing Debian Stable. :) 18:19:59 drdo: can i adopt you? 18:20:29 stassats: If you offer more benefits than my current captors, sure 18:20:31 naryl: not really 18:20:54 drdo: lisp all day long? 18:21:28 and some food 18:21:48 can i sleep sometimes? 18:22:01 if you must 18:22:16 My gc is quite primitive 18:23:57 Legooolas [~Legooolas@2001:838:320::1] has joined #lisp 18:28:01 timepilot [~timepilot@99.55.95.55] has joined #lisp 18:32:09 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 18:32:09 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 18:32:09 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:35:48 dmytrish: (lambda (arg) ... recursive call ...) How do you write the recursive call? 18:35:49 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.30.233.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:03 dmytrish: you need to "name" it one way or another. 18:36:29 (lambda* (arg) ... (recursive-call (1- arg)) ...) then the name of the lambda is recursive-call. 18:37:09 The Y-combination names the lambda, and pass it to the lambda for recursive call. 18:37:21 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.186.27] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:37:22 So to answer your question, no, there's no such way. 18:37:35 Which doesn't mean you can't write a recursive, anonymous function. 18:38:10 ... lisp spoiled me 18:38:32 Perhaps we should rename the language: Spoiler. 18:38:48 wow 18:38:51 I can see it already 18:39:12 New language Spoiler! "So good you'll be spoiled!" 18:39:17 And the logo is well, a spoiler 18:39:39 If racket can do it, why not Common Lisp. 18:39:41 dmytrish: In "On Lisp" Graham provides a macro ALAMBDA which is one possibility 18:40:15 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 18:40:17 I thought about a function 'local name' like self, this or auto 18:40:38 And what's more, Spoiler already has it's standard, ANSI INCITS 226-1994 (R2004). 18:40:58 dmytrish: trivial to implement. 18:41:08 dmytrish: what's your question? 18:41:11 xan_ [~xan@80.30.233.25] has joined #lisp 18:42:51 this question is rather mathematical than techncal, I know how to do it with macros and gensym 18:43:00 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 18:43:55 (labels ((self (n) (if (< n 1) 1 (* n (1- (self n)))))) (function self)) returns an anonymous recursive function. 18:44:48 therefore: (defmacro rlambda ((&rest args) &body body) `(labels ((self ,args ,@body)) (function self))) is what you want. 18:44:50 but my lack of functional programming knowledge is quite unpleasant 18:45:22 I should read something on the topic 18:45:33 clhs labels 18:45:50 minion: tell dmytrish about spels 18:45:50 dmytrish: look at spels: Casting SPELs in Lisp, an introduction to macros, is at http://www.lisperati.com/casting.html 18:45:57 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_flet_.htm 18:46:23 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:46:25 Those two links should help. 18:46:36 casting spels, sounds greate 18:46:44 *great 18:47:43 thank you for links 18:48:07 billitch [~billitch@78.251.39.3] has joined #lisp 18:49:02 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:49:11 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:51 -!- Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@d207-6-75-254.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:56 -!- billitch [~billitch@78.251.39.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:54:39 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:55:12 lambda [lambda@c-76-118-155-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:19 gavin0 [4a6fc587@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.111.197.135] has joined #lisp 18:59:05 billitch [~billitch@78.251.39.3] has joined #lisp 18:59:18 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:35 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 19:02:08 ljosa [~ljosa@pool-173-48-201-170.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:08 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.30.233.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:16 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.39] has joined #lisp 19:05:47 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-98-234-185-107.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:50 -!- BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:07:31 xan_ [~xan@80.30.233.25] has joined #lisp 19:08:48 trigen_ [~MSX2@87.209.144.213] has joined #lisp 19:09:39 gozek [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:10:28 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 19:12:01 hello Athas 19:12:15 snearch_ [~snearch@f053007163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:13:46 pnq [~nick@ACA26584.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 19:14:33 kpreid_ [~kpreid@128.153.215.226] has joined #lisp 19:15:14 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-98-234-185-107.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:05 -!- trigen_ [~MSX2@87.209.144.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:12 fe[nl]ix: hello. 19:16:54 billitch_ [~billitch@78.251.61.165] has joined #lisp 19:17:11 -!- billitch [~billitch@78.251.39.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:18:29 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.215.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:18:29 -!- kpreid_ is now known as kpreid 19:18:49 -!- snearch_ [~snearch@f053007163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:19:09 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@124-168-76-146.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:19:17 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-98-234-185-107.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:52 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053007163.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:23:35 alama [~alama@a79-169-25-122.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 19:26:27 -!- Zenton is now known as vicente 19:27:28 -!- vicente is now known as Zenton 19:29:34 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #lisp 19:30:22 -!- billitch_ [~billitch@78.251.61.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:30:44 hows everyone doing? 19:33:34 hi, I've got this list: ((A) (B) (C) ((A . B) (A . C)) ((B . A) (B . C)) ((C . A) (C . B))) and i need to make it look like this: ((A) (B) (C) (A . B) (A . C) (B . A) (B . C) (C . A) (C . B)). This code generates it: http://cxg.de/_9b8545.htm How do i get rid of the sublists? 19:34:25 use append instead of collect in the second loop? 19:35:03 or nconc 19:35:27 and (cons box nil) == (list box) 19:36:10 and it'd be (mapcar #'list initial-boxes) 19:36:39 stassats: thanks, but what would the mapcar be 19:37:00 guess! 19:37:30 unless you're asking what is MAPCAR 19:37:45 here, have a repl 19:37:46 minion: mapcar 19:37:48 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``mapcar''. 19:37:57 i have a rough understanding of it 19:37:59 minion: clhs mapcar 19:37:59 please stop playing with me... i am not a toy 19:38:05 clhs mapcar 19:38:05 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mapc_.htm 19:38:08 sorry, minion 19:38:14 it applies something to a list like a function right? 19:38:17 -!- gozek [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:38:26 read the link! 19:38:37 *bad_alloc* reads the link 19:39:22 tauntaun 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Like one could use (map-into a (lambda (x) x) b) to copy b into a 21:38:11 (but this would not be very convenient) 21:38:26 (and probably not efficient) 21:38:39 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@86.67.23.234] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:40:14 schoppenhauer: replace. 21:41:06 pkhuong: thanks. 21:44:14 billitch [~billitch@78.251.57.232] has joined #lisp 21:44:46 -!- Ragnaroek [~Adium@p5B0C5D0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:46:02 -!- HG` [~HG@dslb-188-109-198-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:49:48 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.131.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:20 cognition_mind [~cognition@bas4-hull20-2925523668.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 21:51:11 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:51:28 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:57:15 -!- DrForr [~drforr@pool-98-112-230-87.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:59:00 DrForr [~drforr@pool-98-112-230-87.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:32 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-131-231.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:04 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:11 -!- gz_ [~gz@72.71.250.53] has left #lisp 22:03:39 -!- _akimbo [~oy@cpe-024-163-123-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:40 -!- akimbo [~user@cpe-024-163-123-094.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:12 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:10 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 22:10:32 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-55-169-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:14 -!- spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-13-34.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: .] 22:14:36 indylarry [~indylarry@c-71-57-20-49.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:16 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:18:40 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:20:10 alama [~alama@a79-169-25-122.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 22:20:46 _akimbo [~oy@cpe-024-163-123-094.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:20:55 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:21:03 sbahra_ [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:17 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:23:17 -!- sbahra_ is now known as sbahra 22:24:36 -!- Odaym [~unix@212.36.209.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:26:08 -!- lambda [lambda@c-76-118-155-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:28:53 -!- rabite [~rabite@4chan.fm] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:29:16 rabite [~rabite@4chan.fm] has joined #lisp 22:30:24 ShereKahn [~ajourez@115.162-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 22:31:00 v0|d [~user@93.94.250.121] has joined #lisp 22:32:12 -!- ShereKahn [~ajourez@115.162-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #lisp 22:33:07 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-193-241-28.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:10 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754c26.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:16 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 22:39:37 fckStick [fckStick@173-21-234-231.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 22:41:24 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-14-244.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:41:25 Atomsk [ace4016@adsl-32-14-244.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:54 lambda [~joshua@c-76-118-155-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:28 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:14 davekong [~davekong@unaffiliated/davekong] has joined #lisp 22:46:34 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:47:58 BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:04 -!- BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:49:26 BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:57 -!- marienz [~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz] has quit [Ping timeout: 612 seconds] 22:50:57 -!- davekong [~davekong@unaffiliated/davekong] has left #lisp 22:51:04 carlo_au [~carlo@ppp59-167-12-74.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:11 If I want to try to verify gpg signatures on some mails (which can be read fine using mel-base) should I be using gpgme or is there something which I'm more likely to get to work? :) 22:51:53 I've been beating my head against it for a while but can't get it to do anything at all.. I had to hack the code a bit to get it to let me call some functions for simple examples in ccl 22:51:55 -!- indylarry [~indylarry@c-71-57-20-49.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 22:52:27 ..and now it just hangs in ccl, and doing the same in sbcl gives me a memory-fault-error, so I guess the cffi call is seg faulting? 22:52:50 ... I might try looking at the GPG signature-checking code in ASDF-Install. 22:53:27 Oooh yes, I'll give that a go. 22:53:41 I was looking at lispy and that uses gpgme, although a somehow hacked version. 22:54:22 you can try and see if ironclad has what you need. 22:57:35 -!- tcr [~tcr@100.Red-88-6-12.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:02 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.139.95.133] has joined #lisp 23:01:40 -!- ljosa [~ljosa@pool-173-48-201-170.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ljosa] 23:03:39 Mococa [~Mococa@187.59.248.124] has joined #lisp 23:05:06 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: auf wiedersehen!] 23:07:09 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.30.233.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:21 Ok cheers, I'll give those two a go and see how I get on :) 23:07:26 xan_ [~xan@80.30.233.25] has joined #lisp 23:07:48 rootlocus [~rootlocus@240218000001280102264afffe09eee2.ptr-ipv6.nicta.net] has joined #lisp 23:08:29 the gpg signature checking in asdf-install is little more than run-shell-program. 23:08:30 _3b: How can i have more than one window with glut? 23:09:08 Xach: Yeah I just noticed that, but I suspect that's going to work better than my currently-hanging tests with gpgme.. 23:09:22 <_3b> ugh, be nice if people would debug their code before setting safety 0 :/ 23:09:25 It's not got to handle many, so just calling out to a shell for it should be fine. 23:09:30 <_3b> drdo: just open more than 1 window? 23:09:36 *Xach* is going to verify signatures in CL soon 23:10:07 _3b: How does it work then with gl commands? Which window gets them? 23:10:08 This is just to get some incoming mail and ensure it's actually from someone in my gpg list 23:10:34 Xach: Actually in pure CL rather than calling out to gpg (or libgpg) as everything else currently appears to? 23:10:42 Legooolas: yes. 23:10:46 (ironclad excepted, I haven't looked at that) 23:10:56 Legooolas: though only for binary files, not text. canonicalization seems like an extra hassle. 23:11:21 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-158-83.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:11:22 *nod* 23:11:39 <_3b> drdo: ummmm.... magic maybe? :) 23:11:57 <_3b> drdo: don't have that stuff in my brain at the moment, so failing to remember how it works 23:12:21 <_3b> drdo: but note the run-all-examples or whatever it is command in the cl-glut examples, which runs them all at once 23:12:49 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.30.233.25] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:13:43 -!- bfein [~morik@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:13:44 -!- foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 23:14:11 bfein [~morik@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 23:14:12 -!- timepilot [~timepilot@99.55.95.55] has quit [Quit: timepilot] 23:14:14 foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 23:14:34 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:42 silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:43 -!- krappie__ [~brain@mx.skitzo.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:14:48 -!- billitch [~billitch@78.251.57.232] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:15:12 krappie__ [~brain@mx.skitzo.org] has joined #lisp 23:15:37 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A313F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:41 youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 23:15:41 -!- youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:02 youguy [~youguy@59.pool85-56-15.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 23:16:05 billitch [~billitch@78.251.57.232] has joined #lisp 23:16:07 urandom__ [~user@p548A313F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:16:49 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:18:05 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-208-51.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:05 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-208-51.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:18:05 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 23:19:25 -!- tenawa [~user@adsl-75-53-123-94.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:20:17 indylarry [~indylarry@c-71-57-20-49.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:56 fnordus [~dnall@S01060023693bfad4.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:24:00 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 23:27:36 marienz [~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz] has joined #lisp 23:28:01 -!- coffeemug [~coffeemug@adsl-76-254-59-240.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:28:29 coffeemug [~coffeemug@adsl-76-254-59-240.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:32:54 -!- fnordus [~dnall@S01060023693bfad4.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:48 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A313F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:55 -!- skeptical_p [~rononovsk@bzq-79-179-184-149.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:35:19 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:39:46 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Quit: Foo.] 23:40:27 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-193-241-28.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:56 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-193-241-28.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:05 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:50:52 Fullma [~fullma@ram94-2-82-66-69-246.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:07 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-131-231.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:25 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-131-231.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:52:00 -!- Dodek [am291698@students.mimuw.edu.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:17 yay. phone/internet lines are back. 23:56:51 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 23:57:35 slyrus: That's always nice, though more from the "no longer banging your head against the wall"-style relief than anything else. 23:57:57 -!- indylarry [~indylarry@c-71-57-20-49.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 23:58:16 no, beating my head against the wall is trying to get mcclim painting to work right ;) 23:58:31 Yeah, I'll leave you to that one.