00:00:25 Phillip [~Phillip@12.200.252.250] has joined #lisp 00:03:02 -!- myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:57 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:07:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:08:53 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:09:42 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7543ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:13 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host89-185-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:16:28 -!- phrixos [~clarkema@gnu/webmaster/phrixos] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:19:00 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:25:08 beach [~user@116.118.74.54] has joined #lisp 00:25:18 -!- Teeko [~Teeko@184.Red-83-49-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:27:57 Good morning everyone! 00:31:21 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:34 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:32:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:32:51 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:35:16 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0108bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:58 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:36:20 morning beach 00:36:33 Hey schmrkc. Long time no see. 00:38:36 hey beach 00:39:23 beach: Yes.. computer has been gone, life has been busy. and seems to be getting busier every week :) 00:40:13 schmrkc: Computer gone? That's your job isn't it? 00:41:57 -!- Phillip [~Phillip@12.200.252.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:42:27 amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 00:42:40 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:21 ltriant [~ltriant@dip-220-235-36-217.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 00:45:56 locci [~nes@93.37.199.160] has joined #lisp 00:46:26 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.199.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:46:53 -!- alama [~alama@a79-169-86-70.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 00:47:48 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:47:58 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A8FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:48:14 -!- zac314159 [~user@c-68-84-149-234.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:50:33 pjb: anyway a structure can hold a slot that is another structure 00:51:52 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:52:33 OODavo [~david@ppp121-44-98-90.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:19 -!- gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:42 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:41 beach: Gosh no. I don't work with anything computer related :) 00:58:09 beach: my desktop machine had some hardware malfunction and I didn't bother to get it fixed for a month or so. No biggie. 00:58:40 -!- fmw [~fmw@541FD7B9.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: fmw] 00:58:58 Posterdati: I know. I was ironic. 00:59:40 Posterdati: do you know any language where it would not be possible? I mean, even COBOL could do that! 00:59:46 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:23 schmrkc: what kind of job could a lisper have that's not computer related? 01:00:54 -!- jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:19 Define "computer-related." 01:01:26 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 01:01:27 pjb: I work with personal training and performance enhancement. 01:01:45 ok I use a computer for bookkeeping and mailing clients ;) 01:02:23 Well, you're programming and debugging people then, I guess. 01:02:33 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 01:02:52 Well yeah. programming and debugging their movement patterns and such. 01:03:02 *schmrkc* is quite interested in kinesiology. 01:04:14 once I realised that the world was java I opted out of the IT business ;) 01:04:33 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:04:36 A wise decision, too bad you didn't notice Lisp at that time. 01:05:55 Well I actually quite enjoy what I do, so its all well. I keep thinking I should actually get some codeing done but it seems to be less and less every year. 01:06:26 *schmrkc* likes to blame IRC instead of himself being lazy. 01:10:49 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 01:11:44 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:13:42 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:16:19 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.194] has joined #lisp 01:20:21 gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 01:21:56 Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:25:00 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 01:32:28 ldunn [~ldunn_fn@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 01:33:15 -!- HET3 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:40:53 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas3-montreal50-2925069747.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 01:43:10 neoesque [~neoesque@114-47-5-239.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:45:26 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.162] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 01:45:45 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-146.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57:18 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:42 -!- redline6561 [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:33 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:02:06 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@114-47-5-239.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 02:02:18 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 02:02:53 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:04:07 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 02:07:11 Hmm..I could use a bit of brainstorming help if possible. I'm in a class on search algorithms, and one I wanted to approach is trying to search through lisp code to find the "best" code example for what I'm looking for. Eventually I want to incorporate documentation and PCL into this...but, for now. I want to read through a Lisp file, and simply create a list that has the function name, and the corresponding code that deals with it. 02:07:12 So, for example if I have (let ((a "")) (some-function a)), that I'd have two elements in this list, let => (let ((a "")) ...), and some-function => (some-function a), as a list. 02:08:15 Where I'm running into a few issues on is related to the sexp parsing. Since I'm writing this in CL, is there a fairly easy way of doing this? I found most examples out there read char by char and increment a counter to determine scope, and read it through that way. I'm hoping for something a little easier. 02:09:05 TDT: (read some-input-stream) by default will return a complete s-expr from the stream, if that was the next object to be read 02:09:08 clhs read 02:09:20 You could pretend that the only way to define a function is by using defun and find all lists starting with defun. 02:09:41 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 02:09:41 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 02:09:41 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 02:09:50 sounds like you want a code walker?.. check out arnesi 02:11:15 hargettp: Hmm, very interesting. I'll read up the clhs on that function. schmrkc, not sure what you mean, and adeht that's exactly what I'm wanting, I'll check out arnesi 02:11:35 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 02:12:02 TDT: maybe I misunderstood what you wanted. 02:12:13 TDT: I tnhought you wanted a list of all functions + the code for 'em. 02:12:17 Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.107.153] has joined #lisp 02:12:21 but it is 3 am so what do I know (: 02:12:43 tdt: schmrkc was pointing out something fundamental about Lisp, which you might want to grok: since the (defun foo () (do-stuff)) form is in parentheses, it's a list...and in the right context can be treated as just a list, rather than a function declaration 02:13:26 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:13:37 I was? (: 02:14:01 LiamH [~healy@pool-68-239-79-144.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:30 well treating it as just a list actually makes sense - could build a tree that way and just search through that. 02:15:20 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:32 tenawa [~user@adsl-75-53-123-94.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:55 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 02:18:05 read is very interesting in this case. Read that documentation and the code walker. 02:18:32 I think a combination of read and crawling through the resulting list should do the trick. Thanks for the help. 02:21:55 redline6561 [~user@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:22:08 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:31 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279441213.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:32:21 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 02:32:50 TDT: best of luck. 02:38:06 -!- Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-55-95.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 02:38:31 -!- locci [~nes@93.37.199.160] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 02:39:57 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:51 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:48:07 -!- lnostdal_ [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:20 -!- rolando [~user@207.185.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:56:27 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:58:56 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:01 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:06:02 tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.162] has joined #lisp 03:06:20 -!- mgr [~mgr@mail.phinn.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:13 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:11:02 mheld [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 03:18:28 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:36 nowl [~nowl@c-71-233-2-216.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:26:13 -!- OODavo [~david@ppp121-44-98-90.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:36:38 OODavo [~david@ppp121-44-243-56.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:46 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:43:18 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.167] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:43:29 McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has joined #lisp 03:45:32 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.154] has joined #lisp 03:54:45 splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 04:01:10 dangN [~max@p5DE8E9C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:31 -!- dangN_ [~max@p5DE8F56D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:08:25 pnq [~nick@AC819BC5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 04:16:27 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:18:06 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.199] has joined #lisp 04:18:32 Areil [~Areil@113.172.75.116] has joined #lisp 04:21:21 milkpost [~milkpost@adbn-003-0186.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #lisp 04:23:10 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.107.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:24:08 leo2007 [~leo@120.33.170.214] has joined #lisp 04:39:26 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:41:43 -!- pnq [~nick@AC819BC5.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:44:25 -!- leo2007 [~leo@120.33.170.214] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.2] 04:44:53 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:44:57 leo2007 [~leo@120.33.170.214] has joined #lisp 04:45:07 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:50:41 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-68-239-79-144.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:51:16 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:52:31 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:53:39 gz_ [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 04:54:35 -!- gz` [gz@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 04:55:02 -!- pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:55:14 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 04:55:15 -!- gz_ is now known as gz 04:55:24 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55:48 -!- gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:56:28 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:56:28 -!- gz_ is now known as gz 04:59:05 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 05:03:31 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:16:31 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:19:57 l4ndfo [~l4ndfo@S0106001cf0520ea3.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:21:46 Anyone have thoughts on an easy-to-set-up windows dev env? 05:25:03 Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.107.153] has joined #lisp 05:27:31 CCL is relatively easy 05:27:37 (with quicklisp) 05:27:49 of course, LW is easier 05:31:05 spacebat_ [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:07 -!- spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:32:28 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 05:33:41 p_l|backup: what about the editor? 05:40:21 p_l|backup, how can I compile lisp on Windows by CCL 05:40:26 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 05:40:55 I've downloaded mingw-w64-bin_i686-cygwin-1.5.25-15_4.4.1a 05:41:11 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@adbn-003-0186.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43:10 milkpost [~milkpost@adbn-003-0186.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #lisp 05:44:55 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 05:46:09 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-101-11.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:46:38 dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-101-11.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 05:46:50 dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has joined #lisp 05:47:12 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:48:52 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:49:34 Ralith: I used SLIME and Emacs-W32 05:50:09 Rukowen: you only need CCL itself, unless you want to compile a library that tries to build C source, then Cygwin/SUS might be necessary 05:50:41 *p_l|backup* didn't try compiling projects that used ASDF for C compilation 05:50:46 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50:55 -!- cfy is now known as ofan2 05:51:25 -!- ofan2 is now known as zzzz 05:51:32 -!- zzzz is now known as zzzzzzzzz 05:51:35 somebody suggested me to use CCL for compile lisp 05:51:46 but I dont know how to install 05:52:05 is there any pakage? 05:52:06 -!- zzzzzzzzz is now known as cfy 05:52:25 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.162] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 05:53:40 -!- cfy is now known as Zcfy 05:53:48 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:54:36 -!- Zcfy is now known as cfy 05:55:13 p_l|backup: awful lot of set up for a newbie 05:55:31 will go for lispworks until the limitations are bad I think 05:55:38 become problematic* 05:56:20 they do very quickly 05:57:05 emacs-w32 is a pretty high barrier to entry, though. 05:57:47 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A7902.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58:21 there are no binaries? 05:58:37 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 06:00:18 stassats: there's no installer that I know of 06:00:24 there are, however, lots of config files to write 06:00:28 and by lots of I mean one, but still. 06:00:31 -!- OliverUv [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:50 no all-in-one installer, that is 06:05:02 I think there is an emacs installer. hold on 06:05:17 (and there's a set of pretty good startup configs around) 06:07:09 nilly [~nil@c-98-247-253-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:08:22 sounds like a good argument for using another OS... 06:08:34 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:08:37 oh yeah, would you look at that: http://www.franz.com/emacs/ 06:08:59 (I'm surprised I didn't know about this, working there and all) 06:09:07 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:10:20 Ralith: Emacs-W32 included an installer - it's basically Emacs/win32 with some extra libs and defaults designed for windows, including always starting as emacs server so that youhave only one Emacs process 06:11:47 and yes, including a proper installer 06:12:02 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:12:11 p_l|backup: right, I mean emacs+slime+CCL 06:12:15 zac314159 [~user@c-68-84-149-234.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:12:29 antifuchs: checking it out, thanks 06:12:52 p_l|backup: emacs-W32 stopped updating in 2009, AFAICT 06:13:11 antifuchs: hmmm... i think there were some updates later on, but no release 06:13:13 23.2 came out a bit after that 06:13:19 (that is, you could install a snapshot) 06:13:31 anyway, sometime in 2010 I stopped running windows on my laptop :) 06:13:37 Does anyone know how to get the CWD in the asdf2 source registry without re-initializing it every time you change directory? 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[~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has joined #lisp 09:23:05 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-243.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:27:44 splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:36:21 MoALTz [~no@92.18.70.208] has joined #lisp 09:44:44 is there a way to stop slime to automatically open some lisp files when I load a system (typically cl-ppcre) ? 09:45:11 there's also the 'safe variable' which is kind of annoying for common lisp files 09:46:23 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.174.110] has joined #lisp 09:46:43 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:05 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.174.110] has quit [Client Quit] 09:47:59 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-90.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:48:43 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-211-90.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49:06 hi 09:51:04 benny`` [~benny@i577A28DE.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 09:51:45 -!- 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[~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 12:33:48 serichsen [~user@g228167212.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:33:53 Hello! 12:34:07 I've got a problem with a lisp file: got error during (load "name.lisp") 12:34:15 how can I debug it? 12:34:33 READ failure in COMPILE-FILE at character 4137: 12:34:33 end of file on # for "file /home/angel/Development/lisp/circuit_solver/c..." 12:34:33 {10042B1211}> 12:34:33 [Condition of type SB-C::INPUT-ERROR-IN-COMPILE-FILE] 12:35:03 thanks 12:35:07 gabnet [~gabnet@252.63.193-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 12:35:24 unbalanced parens 12:35:38 ok, how can I debug it? 12:36:10 are you using emacs? use paren highlighting to find offending form 12:37:55 emacs 12:40:31 -!- slash_ [~unknown@pD955CA36.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 12:41:20 how can I turn on parens highlight? 12:42:02 M-x show-paren-mode 12:42:13 ok thanks 12:42:15 done! 12:42:15 and put (show-paren-mode 1) into .emacs 12:44:16 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 12:44:24 Posterdati: in emacs: M-x check-parens RET 12:44:31 Also, use paredit! 12:44:33 -!- Edward [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-51-158.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:48:19 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:59:32 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:44 pjb: I did a select-elements function as gigamonkey did in his book to select elements from a list using keys, I used remove-if/remove-if-not to select, but I need more keys to and/or them... 13:00:53 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:02:18 Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.181.143] has joined #lisp 13:07:13 and the question is? 13:11:45 Posterdati: http://xach.livejournal.com/131456.html 13:12:14 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-53-191.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:13:07 What are the built-in primitives and built-in variables in Common Lisp? I suppose they are in the hyperspec, but then you have to know what you're looking for. 13:13:19 None of the books I'm reading explains this in detail :-) 13:13:58 ALL the functions and ALL the variables specified in the CLHS are built-in. 13:15:01 pjb: The CLHS both mentions IF and COND, but one of them is built on the other. 13:15:11 I didn't mention the macros. 13:16:07 Okay, so I'll just read the CLHS and ignore the macros then. 13:16:23 It that serves any purpose... 13:17:04 Notice that the standard allows implementations to implement special operators as macros and macros as special operators. 13:17:39 madsy: you might find http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/MetaCircular.html interesting 13:17:43 The idea is that knowing the concepts the rest of the language is built on, helps me understand how it works. I generally dislike learning black boxes. 13:17:48 So, you cannot really say that "one of them is built on the other", since an implementation could choose the other, or implement both as primitives. 13:17:48 ok 13:17:51 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 13:17:53 Xach: Thanks 13:17:58 madsy: cond isn't built on if, but it can be 13:18:01 how can I funcall a list of functions? 13:18:02 madnificent: the most primitive concept is lambda calculus. 13:18:11 stassats: Yes, that was what I meant. 13:18:24 s/madnificent/madsy/ 13:18:41 Posterdati: (map nil 'funcall list) is one way. 13:18:57 thanks 13:19:28 Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.76.125] has joined #lisp 13:19:28 madsy: and you'd have to settle on black boxes sooner or later 13:19:36 If list is a list, as it's name implies, then (mapc 'funcall list) is equivalent. 13:19:38 Xach: but I like to accumulate, so mapcar? 13:19:48 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:02 depends on what, and into what. 13:20:16 Posterdati: (map 'list ...) 13:20:23 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:37 -!- HET3 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:20:41 pjb: mapc isn't really equivalent 13:21:01 Xach: I must apply several where functions to a single object 13:21:01 this is not what I said. 13:21:25 stassats: you have problems with basic logic... 13:21:57 i only know lisp logic 13:22:00 Posterdati: you might have to use your brain. 13:22:40 and in lisp logic (mapc function list) returns list, whereas (map nil function list) returns nil 13:22:44 Posterdati: also, I find it pretty annoying to answer a question and then find the requirements change over and over again. Please try to be precise up front. 13:23:11 which may be significant, if you don't want to drag garbage around 13:23:11 stassats: ok. 13:23:16 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has joined #lisp 13:23:33 stassats: 1-0 :pjb 13:24:17 Is there a function that does (* (ceiling A B) B)? 13:24:44 rem? 13:24:51 err, no 13:27:47 (- a (nth-value 1 (ceiling a b))) may be faster 13:28:47 This ought to be optimized by the compiler. 13:32:05 -!- Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-53-191.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:33:53 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 13:34:08 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 13:35:18 -!- spacebat_ [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:38:12 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:38:24 (let ((mod (mod a b))) (if (zerop mod) a (+ a (- b mod)))) is faster on SBCL 13:41:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42:29 spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:12 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44:58 silenius [~silenus@p54947AEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:58 LiamH [~nobody@pool-68-239-79-144.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:45:56 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:49:43 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-101-11.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:50:10 heh, efficiency is something I have yet to even start on with CL. 13:51:46 dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-100-243.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 13:55:08 -!- gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:55:29 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 14:00:23 -!- claint [~user@88.247.119.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00:37 alama [~alama@62.169.67.133] has joined #lisp 14:01:05 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/120257 14:01:09 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-31-234.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:03:49 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 14:04:29 (map 'list 'funcall functions-list) where to put args for every function in functions-list? 14:05:38 Posterdati: WHERE-ELEMENT is very ill-advised. It does all the work at runtime that it could do at closure creation time. 14:06:01 (mapcar #'(lambda (f) (funcall f x y)) list), or see CURRY & RCURRY in alexandria 14:06:44 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:55 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has joined #lisp 14:07:45 tcr: list are the parameters for functions? 14:08:12 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 14:08:39 tcr: ah ok, are the list of functions 14:09:08 tcr: x and y are functions parameters 14:10:00 you could also do (mapcar #'funcall list-of-functions circular-list-of-args), it's cute albeit not really covered by the spec 14:10:03 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:11:27 (mapcar #'funcall (list #'prin1 #'princ) '#1=(#\x . #1#)) 14:11:27 do you mean #'apply then? 14:11:46 tcr: basically I've to apply same arg to severall selector functions 14:11:57 yeah use curry or rcurry 14:12:06 or write out the lambda 14:12:30 -!- zac314159 [~user@c-68-84-149-234.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:13:29 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 14:14:44 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 14:14:44 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 14:14:44 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 14:15:52 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Client Quit] 14:17:28 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.200.105] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:17:51 -!- Davsebamse [~davse@gate.ipvision.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:17:57 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:18:58 Davsebamse [~davse@gate.ipvision.dk] has joined #lisp 14:19:28 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 14:20:06 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:20:40 tcr: while tricks with circular lists MAY work with some implementations in some circumstances, the standard clearly state that it's entirely implementation dependant. In particular, in most implementations, the behavior of mapcar differs according to the position of the circular list. 14:21:12 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 14:26:38 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:27:41 -!- Davsebamse [~davse@gate.ipvision.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:27:59 -!- cfy is now known as hymnusalae1 14:30:12 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:44 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:31:47 -!- ElizabethDysart [~Elizabeth@c-67-184-184-26.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Why make friends when you can make friends? 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14:49:09 s/?/./ 14:49:56 I'm just poking fun at the "omg lisp has so many parenthesis!" 14:50:15 -!- Davsebamse [~davse@94.127.49.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:51:21 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:20 schmrkc: its especially annoying when people you can not simply kill whine about the parentheses, like your coworkers 14:53:52 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.60.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:15 anyhow, whats the way to print a multiple of characters to a stream, I want to print a multiple of spaces... 14:55:07 wakeup: maybe write-sequence for you 14:55:38 I guess write-string also 14:55:49 Id need an infinite string then^^ 14:56:08 (format t "~vt" n) 14:56:32 wakeup: oh I read it as you just wanted to print some arbitrary number of #\Space 14:57:01 or (loop repeat n do (write-char #\Space)) 14:57:03 schmrkc: I do 14:57:09 tcr: http://paste.lisp.org/display/120257 14:57:10 stassats: the format thing doesnt work for 0. 14:57:14 Teeko [~Teeko@184.Red-83-49-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:23 tcr: what do you think? 14:57:39 wakeup: Right. so say you have 15 #\Space to write.. make a sequence of that and write it. ? 14:58:12 schmrkc: how do I make a sequence of 15 #\Space? :D 14:58:14 Posterdati: Sorry no time, better ask the round 14:58:23 ok 14:58:23 wakeup: make-string 14:58:25 davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:32 wakeup: (format nil "~[~:;~:*~vt~]" n) then 14:58:33 wakeup: (make-string 15 :initial-element #\Space) 14:58:43 please help, I wrote http://paste.lisp.org/display/120257 14:58:50 and it seems to work 14:59:12 how can I achieve the same using map? 14:59:13 -!- [df]_ is now known as [df] 14:59:44 I would have hoped you would ask how to achieve the same using COND. 14:59:57 oh 15:00:00 I misread. there was an and. 15:00:05 *schmrkc* gets coffee then 15:00:19 but making a sequence just to write it is wasteful! 15:00:27 thanks for help 15:00:28 it is? 15:00:44 stassats: I thought the writing is the expensive part 15:00:48 sure, you produce unneeded garbage 15:01:04 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 15:01:05 I would like to apply multiple where-element to a list of elements 15:01:07 but writing produces system calls? 15:01:13 no 15:01:16 sweet 15:03:58 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 15:07:06 morning 15:07:24 gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has joined #lisp 15:09:11 slyrus: morning 15:09:15 anyone using hunchentoot? 15:09:18 yes 15:09:35 i'm having some trouble with CREATE-FOLDER-DISPATCHER-AND-HANDLER 15:10:14 -!- McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:10:14 it seems that the dispatchers created by that function aren't getting invoked at all 15:10:55 (i'm probably misunderstanding something) 15:11:00 *stassats* uses lighttpd to handle static stuff 15:11:17 minion: lighthttpd 15:11:18 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``lighthttpd''. 15:11:35 minion wouldn't know anything about it 15:14:17 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:14:36 Joreji [~thomas@85-183.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:14:55 stassats: you don't feel any patriotic duty to use nginx? 15:15:00 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:15:57 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:16:06 oh, yes, i am misunderstanding something: CREATE-FOLDER-DISPATCHER-AND-HANDLER sets things up so that requests for contents of the folder are properly dispatched; i was expecting it to actually give me a directory listing when i visited the base uri 15:16:13 alama: what are you doing with the created dispatcher? 15:16:21 ah, ok 15:16:46 i guess i'll need to write something that produces a directory listing when the base directory uri is requested 15:17:47 *alama* searches for a pile of hunchentoot utils 15:18:41 krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 15:19:06 -!- krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has left #lisp 15:19:30 Xach: nah, i guess that's what puts me off 15:20:28 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:48 *alama* trolls github for hunchentoot stuff 15:25:45 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:39 McMAGIC-- [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--] has joined #lisp 15:29:18 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.194] has joined #lisp 15:29:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-196-2-106-238.wbs.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:29:43 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:30:18 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:40 *ZabaQ* is in C++ exile, looking wistfully at #lisp 15:33:36 lisp will get you through times of no C++, better than C++ will get you through times of no lisp.. 15:33:39 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 15:33:51 to parphrase the fabulous furry lambda brothers. 15:35:15 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:36:59 katesmith [~katesmith@75-138-209-215.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:36:59 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@75-138-209-215.dhcp.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:36:59 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 15:40:25 -!- Gmind [~Nevermind@113.190.181.143] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:20 spilman [~spilman@ARennes-552-1-134-153.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:42:27 -!- _reid [~reid@pool-108-1-63-147.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:44:23 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has left #lisp 15:45:05 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:45 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:49 mgr [~mgr@mail.phinn.de] has joined #lisp 15:48:58 pmurias [~pawel@89-72-232-106.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 15:49:32 is there a way to stop quicklist from printing stuff to the console when loading modules? 15:51:42 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:59 was that supposed to be "quicklisp"? 15:52:49 yes 15:55:28 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-243.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:55:35 -!- Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-31-234.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 15:57:07 pmurias: Not in general. 15:57:45 mheld [~mheld@sjc-static-208.57.215.2.mpowercom.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:21 anis_ [~anis@41.98.82.225] has joined #lisp 16:00:30 -!- anis_ [~anis@41.98.82.225] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:02:13 too general: (let* ((*standard-output* (make-broadcast-stream)) (*error-output* *standard-output*) (*trace-output* *standard-output*)) ...) 16:04:15 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:05:15 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.70.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:05:25 mheld__ [~mheld@50.12.153.235] has joined #lisp 16:07:36 -!- mheld [~mheld@sjc-static-208.57.215.2.mpowercom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:07:36 -!- mheld__ is now known as mheld 16:08:41 -!- alama [~alama@62.169.67.133] has quit [Quit: alama] 16:09:15 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:46 pmurias: you could wrap it in a macro: WITH-USEFUL-OUTPUT-MUFFLED... 16:13:22 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082AA16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:45 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:21 Intensity [lTPZzKoqIN@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 16:15:33 Xach: my where- function was taken from gigamonkey book :) 16:16:27 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5B3279B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:16:30 splittist: the output i get from quicklisp is not usefull at all 16:17:27 sorancio [~sorancio@62.57.181.64.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:34 stassats: just setting *standard-output* was enough 16:20:44 for now 16:21:35 i want errors to be printed to the console 16:22:03 i just want to hide the standard everything was loaded correctly stuff 16:22:05 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:22:54 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:22:57 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:23:22 what if it reveals the identity of the murderer of Lora Palmer and you wouldn't see it? 16:23:33 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 16:23:50 francogrex [~user@109.130.60.156] has joined #lisp 16:24:38 stassats: that would be quickowls, though 16:26:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:26:45 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:16 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:48 francogr` [~user@109.130.110.34] has joined #lisp 16:27:59 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 16:28:09 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:28:33 stassats: i don't look at the info from quicklisp even when it gets printed to the console 16:29:40 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:30:09 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.60.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:31:25 I'm trying to give a little demo of how linked lists are made; could this be an acceptable 'toy' example of demonstrating linked lists http://paste.lisp.org/display/120258 ? 16:33:22 why does it start with a capital L? 16:33:28 tronador_ [~guille@190.66.170.123] has joined #lisp 16:33:51 and slot-value doesn't work on structures 16:34:10 It doesn't work unless it works :) 16:34:48 rme_ [~rme@pool-68-238-4-125.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:32 -!- rme [rme@clozure-29B55537.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 16:35:33 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 16:35:39 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:35:42 and why not just use CONS? 16:36:13 in this language notorious for using lists 16:36:22 Does anyone know if i can get some id or name for a xinerama screen so i can tell which screens are the new ones when they are plugged in? 16:36:38 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:36:54 -!- davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:36:55 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-131-61.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:36:55 -!- rme_ is now known as rme 16:40:14 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:42:56 -!- Liera` is now known as Liera 16:43:18 mutenewt [~mutenewt@adsl-99-22-110-84.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:58 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:28 -!- mheld [~mheld@50.12.153.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:47:45 -!- silenius [~silenus@p54947AEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:23 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:48:59 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:52:31 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.76.125] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54:17 Posterdati: what chapter? 16:55:44 page 30 16:57:13 dumrat_ [~dumrat@112.135.225.250] has joined #lisp 16:59:07 -!- gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:59:38 -!- gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:00:13 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 17:01:33 -!- cibs [~cibs@Sylpheed.Math.NCTU.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:01:38 cibs [~cibs@Sylpheed.Math.NCTU.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 17:01:43 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.66.170.123] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 17:02:27 yes I know; but i wanted to use the general case of struct 17:02:56 but slot-value works on structure? 17:03:11 gko [gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:22 francogr`: only by accident. 17:05:08 MoALTz [~no@92.18.70.208] has joined #lisp 17:05:18 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:06:06 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:24 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has joined #lisp 17:10:13 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:10:15 oh ok; then needs changing... 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It's all up to the implementation. 19:34:47 splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 19:35:12 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:43 <_3b> can they be special operators visibly to user code? 19:36:01 Yes, thanks to special-operator-p 19:36:28 But notice that means that you can have (and (special-operator-p s) (macro-function s)). 19:37:22 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 19:37:48 <_3b> so the 'fixed set of symbols enumerated in figure 3-2' isn't fixed? 19:37:56 Right :-) 19:38:04 <_3b> (from the glossary entry for special operator) 19:38:24 -!- shaunren [~shaun@bas2-cooksville17-1279412276.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:25 *_3b* assumed that just meant things outside CL: could be special operators, as long as they also had macro expansions 19:39:54 -!- nowhere_man [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-105-57.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:09 mheld__ [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has joined #lisp 19:41:41 nowhere_man [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-105-57.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:44:34 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.113.168.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:44:34 -!- mheld__ is now known as mheld 19:44:38 -!- rapacity_ is now known as rapacity 19:45:18 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:46:16 pjb: Does that mean that if implementations choose to implement standard macros as special operators, they must also expose related macroexpansions to users? 19:47:11 -!- alama [~alama@a79-169-86-70.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 19:47:20 <_3b> clhs 3.1.2.1.2.2 19:47:42 <_3b> sykopomp: 3.1.2.1.2.2 says that explicitly 19:48:11 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:24 <_3b> kind of confusing given the glossary entry for special operator though 19:49:25 ah, okay. 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