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Does this look concerning? http://sprunge.us/aHBf?cl 01:38:45 (lambda converted? page faults?) 01:38:57 derrida: the LAMBDA converted line hints that you're hitting EVAL. 01:39:30 often, that's a sign of under-declared FFI usage, but you seem to be ok on the second run. 01:40:02 page faults mostly happen when you hit data that just survived a GC. 01:40:07 hit as in write to. 01:40:36 may simply be related to the calls to EVAL. 01:40:41 hmm 01:45:08 -!- drl [~drl@110.139.230.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:45:55 -!- wgl [~wgl@209.242.26.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:47:06 -!- rlpowell_ is now known as rlpowell 01:47:31 amaron_ [~amaron@greenzone.copyleft.no] has joined #lisp 01:47:38 pkhuong: is it surprising that the second run behaves normally? i've just now been able to reproduce the lambdas converted line seemed ok for 10+ other runs in meantime. 01:48:03 i'm not explicitly calling eval 01:49:18 derrida: I'm not sure why the lambdas aren't deterministic. Pasting code always helps. 01:49:20 -!- amaron [~amaron@greenzone.copyleft.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:49:29 then again, it probably doesn't matter. 01:49:38 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 01:51:29 pkhuong: sorry, wasn't thinking: http://paste.lisp.org/display/120224 01:52:26 looks like it happens in READ-WAVE. 01:52:42 hehe which i forgot to paste 01:54:01 pkhuong: http://paste.lisp.org/display/120224#1 01:54:59 wtf are as-little-* doing? 01:55:12 hehe terribly named 01:55:40 more like terribly coded. 01:55:47 that too 01:55:54 or thought out. 01:56:12 they're shifting bits :\ 01:56:18 derrida: no they're not. 01:57:29 simontwo_ [~simon@78.129.201.122] has joined #lisp 01:57:44 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:57:59 -!- jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:15 pkhuong: wave format has mixed endianness 01:58:17 jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:58:37 drl [~drl@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 01:58:39 fisted_ [~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted] has joined #lisp 01:58:47 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-18-76.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:51 derrida: I don't doubt that. 01:58:55 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-14-244.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:59:15 ozzloy_ [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has joined #lisp 01:59:22 it's the sanity of the format/parse-integer roundtrip that I do. 01:59:23 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-14-244.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:31 arbscht_ [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 02:00:25 so i wind up with setfs of 4 or 2 bytes like (24 8 0 0) that need to be converted to a value (in this case 2084) 02:00:41 codelurker [~codelurke@adsl-99-41-32-206.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:00:43 s/setfs/sets/ 02:00:55 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 02:01:44 pkhuong: the format muckery was me brute forcing something i didn't know how to do. i admit and apologize for the stupidity. 02:01:51 acieroid` [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 02:01:53 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:02:08 -!- dmytrish [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:12 rlpowell_ [~rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org] has joined #lisp 02:02:23 anyway, as for the lambdas converted, I can only think of some CLOS thing. 02:02:35 dmytrish [~dmytrish@inherent.puzzler.volia.net] has joined #lisp 02:02:46 But that shouldn't happen regularly, unless you updated some definition. 02:02:47 -!- rlpowell [~rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:59 -!- rlpowell_ is now known as rlpowell 02:03:49 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:04:05 do you suggest a more sane way to hadnle the parse-integer/format nonsense? 02:04:38 oh god, nvm, i don't know why i was even still doing that that's from something else 02:05:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:05:19 -!- simontwo [~simon@78.129.201.122] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:19 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:19 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:19 -!- fisted [~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:19 -!- ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:20 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@ozzloy.lifeafterking.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:20 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:20 -!- qebab [~robb@jaguar.stud.ntnu.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:20 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:20 -!- johs [~johs@hawk.netfonds.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 02:05:39 pkhuong: thank you for clarification. 02:06:09 sabalabas [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has joined #lisp 02:06:09 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 02:06:09 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:06:09 ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 02:06:09 qebab [~robb@jaguar.stud.ntnu.no] has joined #lisp 02:06:09 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 02:06:09 johs [~johs@hawk.netfonds.no] has joined #lisp 02:06:11 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A7753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 02:07:48 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 02:07:50 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:24 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 02:09:38 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 02:12:37 gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:16:27 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:16:59 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:17:09 corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:17:16 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 02:20:23 -!- drl [~drl@110.139.230.142] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 02:20:30 any insight as to why this signals a memory fault error on SBCL 1.45.03 02:21:00 er 1.0.45.3 02:21:02 http://paste.lisp.org/+2KRM 02:22:14 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87ed8f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:22:24 mon_key: I only get infinite recursion. 02:22:40 maybe my stack was already blown. 02:22:41 -!- kuatto [kuatto@c-75-72-177-136.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:22:47 I'll start a fresh instance 02:23:59 pkhuong: Control stack exhausted 02:27:31 is there something fundamentally wrong with that code? 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Something like libev(ent)? 06:27:55 rlpowell: iolib? 06:29:26 That doesn't appear to do arbitrary timed events? 06:30:04 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:30:40 drl [~drl@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 06:31:00 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:33:21 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-90-52-4.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 06:35:54 rlpowell: there's CLEE and cl-event if you just want to wrap it. 06:37:10 MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.84.154] has joined #lisp 06:38:17 wedgeV_ [~wedge@cpe-24-193-121-20.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:39:33 Even for CL projects, they have an impressive lack of docs, but I'll look. 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at work. 12:29:16 *Xach* is adding dist installation and version tools today 12:29:28 stephan` [~user@dslb-188-106-200-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:30:27 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:30:59 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:16 cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.81] has joined #lisp 12:31:20 -!- cfy [~cfy@122.228.131.81] has quit [Changing host] 12:31:20 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 12:31:20 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.160.97] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:42 Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.160.97] has joined #lisp 12:33:20 Xach: dist as in a ql dist, I take it 12:36:06 Yes. 12:36:15 Plus uninstallation of dists and projects. 12:36:45 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A8FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:36:55 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:36:56 *Xach* hopes to get a lot done when his wife recovers 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-!- Liera [~user@123.20.59.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:56:27 Xach: is your wife some kind of mutant? flu takes 7 days to recover from, without medicines, and one week with medicines. 12:56:42 -!- Areil [~Areil@123.20.59.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:56:52 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:57:51 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has joined #lisp 12:58:21 pjb: you're thinking of the common cold 12:58:29 Yes. 12:58:52 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 13:00:43 MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.84.154] has joined #lisp 13:01:12 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@113.162.160.97] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:27 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-19.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:02:43 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: mstevens] 13:03:39 pjb: done 13:04:23 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.84.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 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I was linked to it by someone who used it for sandboxing, iirc, and was interested on using it as sort of portable playground to introduce certain features (relative/hierarchical packages) that could be easily incorporated by anyone 14:41:46 stassats: hello 14:42:24 Xach: can you pull (lambda (a b) (declare ((integer 1 1) a) ((integer 0 1) b) (optimize debug)) (lambda () (< b a))) through your git-bisect beast on sbcl? 14:42:29 p_l|backup: The GPL doesn't prevent you to experiment or to distribute a playground, as long as you distribute the sources along. If you want to make incorporation easy, you probably want to provide your sources anyways. 14:42:38 i only know that it works on 1.0.23.12 and fails on 1.0.46.24 14:43:34 pjb: the issue is that GPL forbids from using it as a base in other projects (in practice) 14:43:39 stassats: ok 14:43:59 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:03 p_l|backup: don't be afraid of GPL. Just provide your sources and license under GPL too. 14:44:13 I'm not a university, I don't get paid for it. 14:44:31 heh 14:44:57 On the other hand, I haven't tought about a commercial license either, that may be the problem. I'm not greedy enough. 14:44:57 stassats: can i trouble you to provide me a file i can pass to --no-userinit --disable-debugger --load stassats.lisp --eval '(quit)'? 14:44:59 I guess I'll go with old project of modding CCL and SBCL directly 14:45:10 stassats: that's how i streamline my bisecting... 14:45:13 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:45:23 Xach: sure, what should it do in case of a failure? 14:45:27 p_l|backup: or you may use clisp, it's GPL. 14:45:41 or sbcl returns non-zero status automatically? 14:46:13 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:47:00 stassats: with --disable-debugger, yes 14:47:07 pjb: when you want to make something a de facto standard, something that doesn't fit into separate executable, GPL can be a hindrance 14:47:19 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 14:48:14 p_l|backup: notice that in my reader, the only thing that needs to be replicated portably, is the READTABLE-PARSE-TOKEN hook. 14:48:34 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/120230 14:49:04 that's pretty easy! 14:50:44 *stassats* hopes the bisecting will finish earlier than someone knowledgeable fixes it right away 14:50:47 pjb: Hi, do you have an RSS feed for http://www.informatimago.com/ ? 14:51:15 francogrex: no. My "blogging" is low tech. At http://www.informatimago.com/articles/ 14:52:30 ok, I try to remember reading regularly (however since I added an RSS for planet.lisp I find myself cheching it more regularly)... 14:53:02 I don't have any regularity either. 14:57:17 milkpost [~milkpost@adbn-003-0186.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:47 google reader is supposed to be able to handle pages without using RSS 15:01:36 davazp [~user@201.Red-88-6-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:41 google reader seems interesting 15:03:19 -!- fisted_ is now known as fisted 15:04:16 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host140-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:04:20 kdas_ [~kdas@114.143.160.202] has joined #lisp 15:04:23 etate [~etate@5addbe94.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 15:04:41 anyone know how to set the calendar date time in open genera? 15:04:58 etate: they're all dead 15:05:01 IIRC, you need to set it in the host system. No other way. 15:05:12 -!- kdas_ is now known as kushal 15:05:18 argh 15:05:23 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.160.202] has quit [Changing host] 15:05:23 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:05:25 i can't seem to make that work 15:05:40 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 15:05:40 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 15:05:40 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:06:20 when i set my hostname to genera-host (10.0.0.2), it just gives me 'no protocol specified' indefinitely 15:07:35 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has joined #lisp 15:08:31 stassats: 1.0.42 is good too 15:08:51 Fade: can i use your beast? 15:11:25 i guess there's a possibility that it's related to nyef's changes for dx closures 15:13:13 Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.84.54] has joined #lisp 15:14:48 etate: it will ask genera-host over datetime protocol 15:18:31 p_l|backup: i've got genera-host set to 10.0.0.1 15:21:40 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:23:47 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.60.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:23:48 Bronsa [~brace@host140-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:23:56 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host140-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 15:24:01 stassats: 1.0.43.72 seems to go into a loop! 15:24:44 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-131-61.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:44 *Xach* bisects more 15:26:20 how long does it take to build one sbcl on that machine? 15:26:32 about 4 minutes. kind of sluggish compared to fade's system. 15:26:40 and what machine it is? 15:26:53 amd phenom II x4, i think. 15:27:01 and do you build only one at once? 15:27:18 yes 15:27:52 the fastest way would be to have prebuilt sbcls of every revision, i wonder whether antifuchs still has them 15:29:23 that would be pretty cool. 15:29:34 *Xach* thinks about making that today 15:30:18 etate: genera-host should be 10.0.0.1, genera should be 10.0.0.2, genera-host needs to export the filesystem over NFSv2 and provide time service (the one in xinetd default config is fine, just enable it for both UDP and TCP) 15:30:33 urandom__ [~user@p548A7902.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:19 p_l|backup: that sounds correct, when I set the hostname to genera-host and then sudo ./genera, it just gives me Protocol not specified 15:31:44 however, when my hostname is just the default, genera loads but can't resolve date & time 15:32:40 I edited inetd.conf to provide daytime & time as per the guides on the net 15:33:51 -!- Mekanik [~vov@91.79.53.178] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:37:59 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 15:38:11 -!- Guest35196 is now known as xristos 15:38:43 all the time spent on getting opengenera to work you could use to write some cool program for a modern lisp 15:38:54 and achieve lemondor fame 15:39:28 wait... lemonodor fame is as outdated as opengenera 15:39:34 stassats: the question is whether we can do better than opengenera. 15:40:58 Bronsa [~brace@host140-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:41:35 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:48 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 15:41:52 stassats: I don't like spending my weekends programming in 'modern' lisp 15:42:26 pjb: i would guess that it includes doing, not just observing 15:42:57 stassats: whats the point in doing if you haven't observed 15:43:00 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:21 *etate* wishes PLOT was finished 15:44:29 there are copious amounts of things to be done, and you don't need to inspire yourself with opengenera for that 15:44:35 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 15:45:09 stassats: can you think of a better example of a context-oriented integrated development environment? 15:45:12 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.170.23.20] has joined #lisp 15:45:12 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.170.23.20] has quit [Changing host] 15:45:12 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 15:45:45 i can think of slime 15:46:14 etate: emacs/elisp is close 15:47:02 xristos: emacs/elisp to me is dynamic scoping done wrong 15:47:23 i can give you projects to work on for slime, for example: add context sensitivity to fuzzy completion, add typo resistance to fuzzy completion 15:48:10 stassats: I think SLIME is the least of my worries to be honest 15:48:36 stassats: its a great project but its good enough for whatever I've needed to do with it 15:48:40 what is context sensitivity: e.g. adding more priority to existing keys when completing keywords 15:48:58 stassats: having a way of managing dynamic scope through layering 15:49:01 it can be better enough 15:49:05 intelligently 15:49:52 carlocci [~nes@93.37.199.160] has joined #lisp 15:51:31 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:05 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 15:52:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 15:52:05 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 15:52:59 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:54:25 etate, by plot do you mean david moon's plot language? 15:55:31 gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has joined #lisp 15:55:56 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 15:56:27 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7543ca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:35 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:58:48 Teeko: yep 15:59:05 cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.134.6] has joined #lisp 15:59:09 Teeko: I've been trying for ages to get the time to implement it, buts its frickn hard 15:59:31 stassats: yeah, more hangs as i get closer to the bad 16:00:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:48 Teeko: the bit I'm stuck at is finding a decent way of extending the parser dynamically 16:01:03 etate, what do you like about the language itself? 16:01:56 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:21 Teeko: I pretty much like everything about it 16:02:44 are you an old-timer? 16:03:11 whats an old-timer 16:03:41 i don't know 16:04:17 Teeko: I like the way generics are defined without thinking about them, I like the fact you can define operators, I like the fact that you don't need s-expressions and still retain the full power of macros - which have awesome syntax 16:05:02 Teeko: I like the way the language is defined in terms of itself as a set of macros, and the contextual nature of names + etc 16:05:07 the dictionary says that it's "An elderly person." or "A person with considerable tenure or experience in a given place or activity" 16:05:34 Doesn't Dylan also have that? (no s-expressions based syntax and macros) 16:05:34 No to the former, to admit to the latter would be arrogant 16:05:48 -!- stephan` [~user@dslb-188-106-200-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:06:08 Dylan has less powerful macros, no operators, long-winded syntax and broken implementations 16:06:35 etate, about the parser extensions, maybe this can help? http://www.chrisseaton.com/katahdin/ 16:06:35 i meant, no operator-macros 16:07:28 Teeko: I would prefer a clean method rather than a language 16:08:46 The last time I took a look at plot there was a lot of things that seemed not yet specified. Maybe it's time to revisit it. 16:10:08 -!- cesarbp [~chatzilla@189.247.134.6] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.15/20110303024726]] 16:10:29 as i understand PLOT has no implementations? 16:10:30 Teeko: well its not fully specified, just specified enough for you to be able to implement it 16:10:41 it has no implementations 16:11:00 good thing it's not specified further then. 16:11:08 ok, i guess old-timers are wise enough to not write any actual programs 16:11:49 in the case of david moon, he has written many actual programs... 16:12:24 daniel [~daniel@p5B3279B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:47 i believe he was the one that found a way of specifying macros for infix style languages in the first place 16:13:26 -!- Areil` is now known as Areil 16:13:43 -!- jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:13:45 which is to say, he was the first one to provide an 'actual program' that did this 16:14:53 i guess that exempts him from providing any further programs 16:15:34 i suggest you read up on what he has actually programmed before saying things like that 16:15:35 stassats: iiuc, he has been working on an implementation, on and off. It's just not public. 16:15:47 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5082A03D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:16:16 It doesn't really seem like it's specified enough to be implemented. 16:16:21 etate: I know who david moon is. I can still point to CLIM 2. 16:16:33 "--- TBD here is where I explain the eval and compile functions and the facilities for manipulating scopes." 16:17:19 -!- alama [~alama@62.169.67.133] has quit [Quit: alama] 16:17:53 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 16:20:24 Liera``` [~user@123.20.31.210] has joined #lisp 16:20:38 Areil` [~Areil@123.20.31.210] has joined #lisp 16:20:43 *stassats* notes not to joke about a programming language name anymore 16:21:38 *rien* is used to haskellers joking about Coq 16:21:45 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 16:22:53 -!- Liera`` [~user@113.172.56.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:23:23 -!- Areil [~Areil@113.172.56.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:23:33 -!- Areil` is now known as Areil 16:27:14 -!- foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:28:17 foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:17 Hey, it's the national mascot. Kind of like you'd name a language Eagle in the USA. 16:28:18 -!- billitch [~billitch@AMontsouris-153-1-50-140.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28:21 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:13 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:31:13 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:32:48 Hi everyone 16:32:58 gaidal_ [~gaidal@116.21.209.52] has joined #lisp 16:32:58 Hi singleone. 16:33:09 I'm using emacs and GNU at the same time 16:33:10 -!- greaver [~greaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:33:25 gnu what? 16:33:51 GNU Emacs? 16:33:52 I use "with-open-file" to write to files 16:34:02 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:34:05 yes 16:34:13 Liera```` [~user@123.20.53.144] has joined #lisp 16:34:15 try #emacs. 16:34:16 Areil` [~Areil@123.20.53.144] has joined #lisp 16:34:18 Well, emacs lisp has no with-open-file. 16:34:29 My troll sensor is going crazy 16:34:44 GNU run ok, but emacs has some error 16:34:58 Rukowen: if you're using GNU emacs, it's not possible. 16:35:05 So we must conclude you're using Xemacs. 16:35:07 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.217.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:35:08 'GNU' ? 16:35:20 jsoft: its a new program by Microsoft 16:35:28 GNU/Linux 16:35:37 I hate that term. 16:35:50 GNU slash Linux 16:35:55 pjb, I used with-open-file on emacs to open file. it's ok 16:36:01 i didn't know you could separate GNU from "GNU Emacs" 16:36:01 -!- Areil [~Areil@123.20.31.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:36:10 but when i write file, error 16:36:23 Rukowen: perhaps you're using a non-standard extension. 16:36:24 -!- Liera``` [~user@123.20.31.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:36:28 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 16:36:29 Rukowen: you should tell us which. 16:37:20 ah, I'm coding on window and use GNU Common Lisp to compiler 16:37:43 while my partner uses Emacs on Ubuntu 16:37:46 gabnet [~gabnet@252.63.193-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 16:37:59 Good. Now, GNU Common Lisp (gcl) is the less advanted implementations. Could we entice you to use clisp or ecl, or ccl instead? 16:38:21 ecl? jesus 16:38:21 and with PCL 16:38:45 etate: If he uses gcl, perhaps there's a requirement to go thru gcc. 16:38:48 yes. it sound goog to me 16:39:30 minion: please tell Rukowen about PCL 16:39:30 Rukowen: direct your attention towards PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 16:39:39 but problem is that GNU Common Lisp can run, while Emacs can not 16:40:02 no wonder, they're two completely different things 16:40:03 Rukowen: you're not making a lot of sense. 16:40:26 Both emacs and gcl run perfectly well on MS-Windows and on linux. 16:40:29 OliverUv_ [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has joined #lisp 16:40:40 tronador_ [~guille@190.66.172.162] has joined #lisp 16:40:40 -!- OliverUv_ [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has quit [Client Quit] 16:40:41 pjb: however i love the fact you don't mention sbcl :d 16:41:02 it's not that great on windows 16:41:07 etate: for MS-Windows, unless it has changed, sbcl is not ready. 16:41:47 its not that great in general 16:41:51 God, i've just plug .Net in LispIDE. using sbcl to compile 16:41:54 :( 16:41:55 >"< 16:42:02 i much prefer ccl 16:42:10 at least the GC is fairly sane 16:42:17 etate: not as great as PLOT, i reckon 16:42:31 It's the svn requirement that puts me off. 16:42:34 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 16:42:55 so, should I use GCL? 16:43:01 Rukowen: no. 16:43:03 Rukowen: no, use CCL if you can 16:43:07 Good. Now, GNU Common Lisp (gcl) is the less advanted implementations. Could we entice you to use clisp or ecl, or ccl instead? 16:43:48 minion: please tell Rukowen about CCL 16:43:48 Rukowen: have a look at CCL: CCL is the Clozure Common Lisp implementation. http://www.cliki.net/CCL 16:45:09 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:46:38 -!- etate [~etate@5addbe94.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:47:13 many thank all 16:47:33 i'll try it now 16:47:41 rolando [~user@207.185.189.46.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 16:49:44 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:52:44 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 16:54:04 brennanc [~brennanc@adsl-71-135-163-78.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:41 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@252.63.193-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:03:41 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:09:47 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:10:08 splittist: What do you find off-putting about svn and ccl? The benefit is that you get a working lisp, with sources, with a single command. 17:11:37 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:11:38 if you have that command 17:11:40 It's true that svn doesn't come with Windows, so I agree that's it's less convenient there. 17:11:42 rme: i'm setting up windows 7 and a little anxious about getting svn. 17:11:52 (it is inadequate in many other ways, but) 17:12:49 And there is a .zip file available. 17:14:07 rme: it's just that svn scribbles all over my system, which I want to keep fairly clean otherwise. I'll look for the zip. 17:14:56 stassats: f2218c68ed978533fc46830ac81f4517fefe5a2a 17:14:58 I've used http://www.sliksvn.com/en/download/ and it works. The problem is that to build ccl on windows, you need cygwin, so I often just use cygwin svn anyway. 17:15:18 http://ccl.clozure.com/download.html has the download links 17:15:47 stassats: http://git.boinkor.net/gitweb/sbcl.git/commitdiff/f2218c68ed978533fc46830ac81f4517fefe5a2a 17:15:50 Xach: thanks! and it even looks relevant 17:16:29 alama [~alama@182.113.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 17:16:32 sorry it took so long. had to go for a drive for a while. 17:16:52 I'd like to automate bisection, but the fails-by-hanging thing makes me wonder what the best method might be. 17:16:56 no worries, nobody has fixed it yet 17:17:25 stassats: you asked about binaries for previous sbcl builds? 17:17:30 I have all of them available 17:17:41 they're just the core and the runtime, though 17:17:51 you'll have to run make-target-contrib yourself (: 17:18:02 how much space does it take? 17:18:23 I was experimenting with making a binary-dist git repo, but that took a bit too much space 17:18:29 hold on, running du now 17:18:53 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:01 ah, a mere 52GB ((: 17:19:28 uncompressed? 17:19:31 all runtimes and cores are gzip-compressed 17:19:45 yow 17:19:54 antifuchs: when you say all versions, you mean one per commit? 17:19:59 one per commit, yeah 17:20:01 antifuchs: separately? 17:20:03 massive 17:20:07 yeah, separately 17:20:20 i guess it will be less when compressed together 17:20:30 I made the initial choice to group them by version.lisp-expr version number, so it's not /really/ one per commit 17:20:35 it might well be 17:20:48 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has joined #lisp 17:20:49 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has quit [Client Quit] 17:21:03 the git repo was (IIRC) 10GB when the original archive was 15GB or so 17:21:13 there were savings, but they weren't as huge as I'd hoped 17:21:31 and delta compression took so long that it just wasn't worth it for that machine 17:21:58 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:23:51 -!- bfein [~morik@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:23:53 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:24:02 -!- foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:25:03 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has joined #lisp 17:25:13 Areil`` [~Areil@123.21.165.143] has joined #lisp 17:25:22 (I believe it ran for half a day) 17:25:28 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:25:51 with a new machine (which I might be getting soon), these tradeoffs could be revisited (: 17:26:05 *stassats* thinks about doing the same 17:26:22 the files are on the web (but not linked anywhere) 17:26:45 52GB doesn't sound encouraging 17:26:47 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:13 -!- Liera```` [~user@123.20.53.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:27:14 -!- Areil` [~Areil@123.20.53.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:27:39 hahaha, no, it doesn't - but you're welcome to download if you want (it's on an unmetered 100MBit connection) 17:28:06 and maybe i don't trust you, who knows what you put into those binaries! 17:28:24 it's in http://sbcl.boinkor.net/build-archive/ if you change your mind (; 17:28:29 well, there is that 17:28:44 at least with newer builds you can compare the core file, I suppose 17:28:46 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:28:53 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.78.132] has joined #lisp 17:28:58 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has left #lisp 17:29:26 and there are things like building with different options 17:31:21 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:31:26 bfein [~morik@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 17:31:41 foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 17:32:17 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 17:33:22 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has joined #lisp 17:34:08 -!- gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:34:28 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host140-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:35:07 definitely 17:35:28 but I build only with and without :sb-thread 17:37:31 -!- splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:40:45 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:41:46 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0108bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:42:34 MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.31.116] has joined #lisp 17:42:44 hi 17:44:55 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:46:03 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:46:15 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 17:46:36 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.31.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:48:38 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:10 splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 17:49:31 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:08 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:51:29 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53:28 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:53:38 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:01 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:59:53 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:01:48 Hmm. Why can clisp find my foreign library with cffi, but ccl can't... 18:02:17 different architectures? 18:02:54 stassats: now that's some quality thinking right there... 18:04:52 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:10:23 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:26 -!- gaidal_ [~gaidal@116.21.209.52] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:07 Ragnaroek [5b0c7709@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.119.9] has joined #lisp 18:11:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:13:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:15:34 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:16:15 jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:03 etenil [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:17:05 Hi there 18:17:08 splittist: normally, I would suspect a path issue. Mind the 64/32 bit library issues. 18:20:17 minion: memo for slyrus: Looks like pumphaus has fixed the latest MacOS issue you had. Ready for another build attempt? 18:20:18 Remembered. I'll tell slyrus when he/she/it next speaks. 18:21:24 -!- Rukowen [~Rukowen@222.253.84.54] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21:28 -!- etenil [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:30 -!- alama [~alama@182.113.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:24:54 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:25:44 -!- Teeko [~Teeko@184.Red-83-49-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:26:53 prxq: Indeed. But SDL.dll, and in the path. Will work it out later. 18:31:30 dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-103-147.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:32 Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:32 -!- davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:36:48 -!- brennanc [~brennanc@adsl-71-135-163-78.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: brennanc] 18:37:15 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:38:22 Who knew ASDF had getenv? 18:38:32 *fe[nl]ix* waves hand 18:39:18 is there a common lisp bluetooth library? 18:39:20 YOu win! 18:39:35 (not you, Ragnaroek, sorry) 18:41:23 Ragnaroek: not really... the stuff involved is rather OS-specific 18:42:00 Ragnarok: You could try to make some wrapping to a C library with FFI 18:42:10 you could port some support into IOlib or use CFFI and low-level calls appropriate for the system, or use D-Bus to talk with BlueZ to set up the connection for you 18:43:07 Areil` [~Areil@123.21.169.136] has joined #lisp 18:43:13 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@adbn-003-0186.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:43:40 pmurias [~pawel@89-72-232-106.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 18:43:58 how do i get floating point infinity? 18:44:29 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:44:38 Soulman1 [~knute@250.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 18:45:06 pmurias: not in CL. 18:45:23 pmurias: your implementation may have some NaN constants defined. 18:45:39 in clisp? 18:45:44 and in sbcl? 18:45:53 pmurias: CL is a symbolic language, you can use +infinity to represent +inifinity. 18:46:00 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 18:46:25 -!- Areil`` [~Areil@123.21.165.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:46:35 Sorry, I don't knw the manual of each implementation by heart. 18:47:57 DOUBLE-FLOAT-POSITIVE-INFINITY (bound) 18:48:13 that is in sbcl. 18:54:18 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:38 MoALTz [~no@92.18.70.208] has joined #lisp 18:55:22 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:55:57 jesusito [~user@110.pool85-49-242.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 18:56:33 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:56:36 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.31.116] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:57:03 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:58:30 krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:58:34 krfs_ [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:58:41 -!- krfs_ [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:45 -!- krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has left #lisp 18:58:53 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:46 Sprayzor [529f73ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.159.115.173] has joined #lisp 19:01:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:01:32 -!- _pearle_ is now known as pearle 19:04:15 phrixos [~clarkema@gnu/webmaster/phrixos] has joined #lisp 19:04:18 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:37 -!- Areil` [~Areil@123.21.169.136] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:04:53 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:05:17 -!- pmurias [~pawel@89-72-232-106.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:06:59 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 19:07:07 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:49 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: bye everyone] 19:09:55 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 19:17:13 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:17 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-243.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:20:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:04 -!- jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:22:08 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:26:34 alama [~alama@a79-169-86-70.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 19:29:32 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:29:43 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:23 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:02 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:35:23 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:33 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:35:42 Joreji [~thomas@89.204.153.71] has joined #lisp 19:38:41 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@89.204.153.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:40:28 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:43 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:46:17 Joreji [~thomas@89.204.153.71] has joined #lisp 19:47:27 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:48 three cheers for hunchentoot 19:51:18 osoleve [~andy@adsl-074-166-228-237.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:50 -!- Sprayzor [529f73ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.159.115.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:52:08 -!- Joreji [~thomas@89.204.153.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:52:35 is there a way to treat a symbol as a string, for instance to split it by character? 19:52:36 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 19:52:43 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 19:53:28 osoleve: SYMBOL-NAME? 19:53:53 beautiful, thank you 19:54:23 mega1 [~user@catv4E5C915D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 20:01:34 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:33 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:41 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has joined #lisp 20:03:15 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has quit [Client Quit] 20:03:58 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has joined #lisp 20:04:00 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:53 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:06:52 osoleve: in some cases symbols will be interpreted as strings. this situation is what the hyperspec calls "string designators" 20:09:08 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:42 LiamH [~healy@pool-68-239-79-144.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:43 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:13:17 -!- _dev0_ [~dev@c-24-16-28-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:25 Also of interest is STRING, PRINC-TO-STRING, PRIN1-TO-STRING, WRITE-TO-STRING. 20:13:25 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:13:49 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:57 gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has joined #lisp 20:14:03 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14:08 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:19 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:14:25 olivier__ [~olivier@dra38-2-82-233-106-39.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:44 -!- osoleve [~andy@adsl-074-166-228-237.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 20:14:44 afternoon #lispers 20:14:45 slyrus, memo from ehu: I created a Trac ticket for the CLtL2 environments support in ABCL (http://trac.common-lisp.net/armedbear/ticket/137) 20:14:45 slyrus, memo from lichtblau: Looks like pumphaus has fixed the latest MacOS issue you had. Ready for another build attempt? 20:14:54 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 20:15:02 thanks ehu 20:15:11 lichtblau: sure thing 20:15:55 welcome 20:16:21 we're working on a 0.25 release for next week, but after that, I can sure have a look at it. 20:17:25 Spion__ [~spion@77.29.254.208] has joined #lisp 20:19:08 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:18 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:19:52 Xach: I'm using your download stats to work on support for the top downloads (in ABCL); it should be easy enough to provide primitive operations to support - e.g. - trivial-features 20:20:14 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:20:30 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:20:53 will you update the stats page every now and then? 20:22:36 Xach has mentioned that he eventually wants to have a web interface where you can see stats like that and possibly upvote/downvote libraries and stuff. 20:23:18 euphidime [u178@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mdvefrywkmqopqto] has joined #lisp 20:23:22 great. because as a maintainer, I feel such information is a great asset to me. 20:24:38 (IIRC!) 20:24:51 stassats: the only "nice" way to fix this that I can see is to not show those variables that have been marked as constant in the debugger. 20:25:04 Actually, I think that would be valuable information for nearly 100% of the CL community. 20:25:26 Hexstream: I have a list of recent downloads from him. 20:25:32 it's a link on the web. 20:25:39 do you want to see it? 20:25:42 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:47 (the link/list, that is) 20:25:48 You mean the one that was widely circulated? 20:25:49 -!- olivier__ [~olivier@dra38-2-82-233-106-39.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:25:55 no idea. 20:26:02 probably, yes 20:26:03 olivier__ [~olivier@dra38-2-82-233-106-39.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:48 More than pure download, usage (dependency) and upvote/downvote numbers, I'd really like to see who "endorses" what libraries, and stuff. 20:28:13 we could do that with ohloh already. 20:29:41 "Could". I'd be surprised if a "solution" originated from outside the CL community would garner any significant following. 20:32:00 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 20:34:27 -!- olivier__ [~olivier@dra38-2-82-233-106-39.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:37:58 cmatei_ [~cmatei@95.76.17.75] has joined #lisp 20:38:27 -!- cmatei_ is now known as cmatei 20:40:45 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:38 milkpost [~milkpost@adbn-003-0186.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:44 -!- davazp [~user@201.Red-88-6-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:58 Hexstream: but isn't that info sort of out there anyway - if someone writes a system that depends on System X, then they are implicity 'endorsing' System X. If they don't have released systems themselves, what is their 'endorsement' worth? 20:45:23 lichtblau: it certainly gets farther... 20:46:11 First of all, I'll say that there's an appreciable difference between information that is "theoretically available" and "readily available". 20:47:32 Second, it's not necessarily the case that using a library = endorsing it, and not using it = not endorsing it, though there's obviously a correlation. 20:49:01 Let's say you make a project, and for expediency you use some external library to handle something, but really your opinion of that library it's that it's shitty in many ways, but it's the "best" there is out there at this time and you're not willing to make a better one. So, you'd be using that library, but not endorsing it. 20:49:38 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:49:38 ASDF has the :reluctantly-depends-on op for that. 20:49:50 Haha, awesome! 20:50:13 hmm. asdf has much more than I ever expected. 20:50:21 Sorry, that feature is just a joke :( 20:50:55 slyrus: oh well. At least eslaughter is keeping him busy with bug reports. 20:51:06 olivier [~olivier@dra38-2-82-233-106-39.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:51:43 Second, one might have a reputation for great taste and be a great contributor in the community, and not use a particular library at this time, but still know and recognize that it's very useful and high-quality and really worth trying. So, one can endorse a library without necessarily using it. Or, maybe you use it in only 1 of your projects at this time but would be willing to use it in many more, so with endorsement disproport 20:51:50 Feels like all MacOS smoke bug reports are coming from Lispers. 20:51:58 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 20:52:12 heh 20:53:55 it would be one thing if these were bugs 20:54:09 in _running_ smoke, as opposed to just _building_ it 20:54:43 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:09 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:00:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:00:18 amazing that KDE people care at all about Windows and MacOS ports 21:00:32 -!- olivier [~olivier@dra38-2-82-233-106-39.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:05:30 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:06:07 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-171-231.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:53 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:45 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-169-63.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:08:57 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:09:02 (defun test (value) (flet ((foo () value)) (declare (inline foo)) #'foo)) ; <-- Is there any possibility that FOO might actually be inlined? 21:10:11 inlined where? 21:10:48 mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has joined #lisp 21:10:48 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has quit [Changing host] 21:10:48 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 21:10:53 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:11:23 Yeah, I just realized that inlining probably only makes sense for actual calls... However, what if the compiler can determine that the result of TEST is called somewhere? 21:11:53 TEST would have to be inlinable. 21:12:50 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 21:14:43 josemanuel [~josemanue@150.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 21:14:51 In which case the inline declaration for FOO is (theoretically) redundant. In practice, I think all implementations only exploit INLINE declarations for function bindings. 21:15:32 -!- twem2` [~twem2@92.40.173.18.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has left #lisp 21:15:51 In other words, I can't expect local functions with free variables to be inlined? 21:16:05 hi 21:16:38 may I put optional slots in a structure? Tx 21:17:15 Hexstream: that's not what your example tests. 21:17:15 Thanks 21:17:17 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 21:17:22 Well, you could initialize it to NIL and then "ignore" it if you don't need it... But a structure "slot"... is not a slot and can't be unbound. 21:17:29 brennanc [~brennanc@adsl-71-135-165-16.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:53 you can also leave slots unbound, with undefined consequences if you read them. 21:18:03 I mean... I'd like to create a list of different object types 21:18:38 Well, yes, but then the slot is bound to an undefined value, which is different than being unbound, I think. 21:19:25 pkhuong: anything is better than crashing 21:19:28 something like &key argument 21:19:55 The constructor(s) for your structure can support &key arguments... 21:19:59 -!- gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:19:59 twem2` [~twem2@92.40.173.18.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:20:19 but i'm really lost in all those tns and packings, so i don't know a thing 21:20:32 stassats: actually. I'm thinking the easiest thing might be to disable type-directed constant folding when debug is high. 21:20:43 Hexstream: so I put all slots in the defstruct and fill them via constructor using key arguments... 21:21:15 Hexstream: is this the same when I'll read back the structure from a file? 21:21:29 Hexstream: or write it? 21:21:53 stassats: for some reason, the constant-type lambda-vars aren't marked exactly like lvars that reference constants. 21:22:01 pkhuong: that sounds sensible 21:22:17 so they get marked for debugging and all hell breaks loose. 21:22:28 if there's no better solution, that is 21:23:42 Phillip [~Phillip@c-174-53-229-4.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:57 -!- jesusito [~user@110.pool85-49-242.dynamic.orange.es] has left #lisp 21:24:38 -!- twem2` [~twem2@92.40.173.18.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:25:14 twem2` [~twem2@92.40.173.18.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:30:04 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:04 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:30:27 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-209.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:30:50 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:06 Posterdati: I think MAKE-LOAD-FORM might be of interest to you, but I never used it so far and I'm not very knowledgeable about structures. 21:32:19 Hexstream: I'm actually using list with keys 21:32:33 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-112.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:32:45 I'm not sure what that means. 21:32:48 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:33:10 (list :a a :b b :c c) 21:33:22 Ah, you mean a plist. 21:33:27 yes 21:34:09 What was the question, then? Or did you find answers to all your questions? 21:35:13 I'd like to use structures instead of plist and I like to know if I can load a structure from a file like a plist 21:35:21 I found that I can 21:35:33 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:35:39 #S(your-structure :a a :b b :c c) 21:35:59 then next question is: I've got a list of different plists and I could load them from file 21:36:15 may I do the same with structures? 21:36:39 I thought you said you "found that you could". 21:37:00 (#S(a :b b :c c) #S(f :e e :g g)) 21:37:03 is that legal? 21:37:09 Sure. 21:37:12 ok 21:37:14 thanks 21:37:29 that's the real power of lisp 21:37:31 Lisp 21:37:48 data is treated like DATA 21:38:00 And Worf is treated like WORF 21:38:00 Lisp has many "real powers", no need to try to single any one of them out ;P 21:38:08 Posterdati: if you (setf *print-readably* t), then you can any data you can print, can be read again. 21:38:17 pjb: :) 21:38:51 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:06 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-209.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:39:09 that's a different story from say c or c++ 21:39:27 You're preaching to the choir. 21:39:43 Well, the first think I do in C++, is to write a to_sexp method to print C++ data as sexps. 21:40:00 Of course, you can also just link to a greenspun library. 21:40:29 Hexstream: starting from scratch I was able to do a simple solving circuits program in a month 21:40:33 wasn't it possible to "inherit" in structures? 21:40:44 Yes, it is. 21:40:45 p_l|backup: Yes, it is. 21:41:05 CL has TWO object systems integrated. 21:41:14 then instead of using optional slots, use inheritance and possibly deftype if necessary 21:41:16 Hexstream: in c/c++ I would think how read data from files :) 21:41:47 pjb: well, aren't ANSI+MOP implementation often using structures and classes interchangeably? 21:42:08 not fully, but structures do share machinery with CLOS, at least in CLHS 21:42:32 Bronsa [~brace@host140-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:42:41 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.78.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:49 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5C915D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:43:08 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.77.47] has joined #lisp 21:44:42 lichtblau: ok, approach 90% now... 21:44:56 approaching, that is 21:48:12 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279441213.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 21:51:51 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:51:57 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.102.30] has joined #lisp 21:53:27 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has joined #lisp 21:55:30 zac314159 [~user@c-68-84-149-234.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:00 -!- alama [~alama@a79-169-86-70.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 21:57:15 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:57:25 -!- Ragnaroek [5b0c7709@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.119.9] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:58:05 I'm more convinced no that one person could balance a weasel on a rake using Lisp 21:58:14 I'm more convinced that one person could balance a weasel on a rake using Lisp 21:58:52 alama [~alama@a79-169-86-70.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 21:59:05 you thought that it takes two persons before? 22:00:20 no three 22:01:00 one for rake, one for weasel and one for balance all 22:01:36 heh 22:07:08 gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has joined #lisp 22:08:14 adobriyan [~ad@vulture-nat-36.telecom.by] has joined #lisp 22:08:46 (defconstant U+000A #.(code-char #x000A)) 22:08:51 I love this language! 22:09:55 adobriyan: now make it into a set of macros and functions that read in Unicode codepoint database 22:10:26 just need newlines for now 22:10:33 #\Newline? 22:10:42 no 22:10:49 U+000A => #\Newline 22:10:57 U+000D => #\Newline 22:11:06 U+000D U+000A => #\Newline 22:11:17 that doesn't seem right 22:11:44 U+000D should be #\Return (in a sane implementation) 22:12:24 it's about input data, where I transform newlines the first step after reading a file to hide newline differences 22:13:17 did you consider using an appropriate external format (if your implementation has it)? 22:13:42 please how can I remove all structure definitions from repl? 22:13:50 ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 22:13:52 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:14:17 Posterdati: restart your lisp 22:14:21 ok 22:14:32 ,restart in Slime 22:14:34 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:48 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 22:14:57 stassats: thanks 22:15:13 adobriyan: perhaps other implementations also accept character names starting with u followed by four or more hexadecimal numbers. 22:16:20 failing that, #\Newline and #\Return isn't that tiresome to type 22:16:48 Ah, damnit, and I've been using M-x slime-restart-inferior-lisp all this time. Still better than restarting emacs, I guess ;P 22:17:00 and why do you need #. in the defconstant form? 22:17:25 Hexstream: restarting emacs? what's this? 22:17:48 stassats: you don't need it. 22:17:55 stassats: it's what happens when the redundant UPS fails 22:17:58 When I didn't know any better ;P 22:18:08 stassats: I don't, that's copy-paste 22:18:18 p_l|backup: then it's just starting 22:19:29 Manually quitting something and then immediately starting it again is a bit like restarting, though that may not be apparent to your overly literal mind. 22:19:46 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-209.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:20:22 stassats: but aren't you restarting the state from state-files? :D 22:20:31 M-x restart-emacs could be a nice command, if that's even possible. 22:20:37 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-68-239-79-144.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:22:34 Ah well, structures may have made their way to the state-file, may have they not? 22:22:44 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:22:53 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #lisp 22:23:18 pjb: state-files (dunno what's the official name) are what Emacs keeps for opened files 22:23:46 Hexstream: who needs it? only if you majorly screwed up emacs, but you shouldn't 22:23:49 Posterdati: btw, I recommend that you don't define stuff from REPL, though 22:24:04 Bronsa_ [~brace@host89-185-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 22:24:37 p_l|backup: oh! Sorry, I thought you mean the images. 22:24:55 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host140-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:24:57 -!- Bronsa_ is now known as Bronsa 22:25:17 though my blue-sky ponderings about a bytecoded lisp included some thought on something similar 22:25:26 (first-class images, so to speak) 22:25:33 and starting emacs anew is a good opportunity to update it from git 22:25:42 to keep the edge bleeding 22:25:42 stassats: When experimenting I oftentimes majorly screw up at least my conceptual model of the situation, even if the system is in all apparences in a "normal" state. 22:25:48 -!- gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:26:06 stassats: re external-formats 22:26:11 stassats: indeed. We could even replace /usr/bin/emacs by a script that would automatically get the newest version and recompile it. 22:26:25 stassats: SBCL doesn't support (does it?) :eol-style 22:26:40 adobriyan: that's right, it doesn't support it yet 22:26:53 minion: flexi-streams? 22:26:55 flexi-streams: FLEXI-STREAMS is a library which implements "virtual" bivalent streams that can be layered atop real binary/bivalent streams. http://www.cliki.net/flexi-streams 22:27:03 adobriyan: you can use flexi-streams for that 22:27:04 stassats: flexi-stream support only :CR or :LF or :CRLF according to docs, I haven't tried it 22:27:06 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:32 stassats: use as in use, or use as in hack a little 22:27:50 whatever suits you 22:31:07 i only know that clozure cl supports automatic detection of line termination styles 22:31:16 clisp too. 22:31:20 hugod [~hugod@bas3-montreal50-2925069747.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:31:54 sbcl is open for someone to implement it too 22:32:22 It is NOT a good feature. 22:32:34 Mostly because it prevents 1-1 character encodings. 22:32:49 pjb: it's good if it's optional 22:32:53 Yes.\ 22:35:12 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:36:30 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:37:45 -!- Phillip [~Phillip@c-174-53-229-4.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:37:47 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:38:03 -!- adobriyan [~ad@vulture-nat-36.telecom.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:53 please help, may I have a structure as slot into another structure? 22:41:13 No. 22:41:23 :( 22:41:28 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:35 Also, you cannot store the number 42 in a slot if there's another slot holding a structure. 22:41:53 ? 22:42:27 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@adbn-003-0186.dsl.iowatelecom.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:42:46 Not sure if it's what you want but you can either have a structure "include" (extend) another or, of course, have a structure that has a "slot" that holds another structure... 22:43:14 Eatime. 22:43:58 Hexstream: http://paste.lisp.org/display/120243 22:49:07 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:51:26 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:53:29 Teeko [~Teeko@184.Red-83-49-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:12 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 23:00:18 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 23:00:19 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-55-95.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:05:47 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:19 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:38 -!- trigen` [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:13:57 trigen [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 23:14:41 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-103-147.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 23:16:23 -!- OODavo [~david@ppp121-44-75-129.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Transporting the system.] 23:16:50 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:53 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 23:22:27 gz_ [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:22:47 -!- gz` [gz@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 23:23:09 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host89-185-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:23:37 -!- gz_ is now known as gz 23:24:13 -!- gz [Clozure@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 23:24:21 -!- gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:24:58 Bronsa [~brace@host89-185-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 23:26:19 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host89-185-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 23:26:38 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@150.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 23:26:55 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:11 davazp [~user@201.Red-88-6-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:13 Bronsa [~brace@host89-185-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 23:36:30 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 23:39:23 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:39:41 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:39:42 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:41:08 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41:31 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:06 -!- davazp [~user@201.Red-88-6-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:44:14 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:44:22 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:28 gozek [~quassel@90.163.141.206] has joined #lisp 23:46:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:46:23 -!- rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:46:29 rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #lisp 23:47:31 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 23:52:05 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-135-225.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:54:43 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 23:55:55 fisted_ [~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted] has joined #lisp 23:56:13 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:56:54 -!- fisted [~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:57:33 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:58:00 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.102.30] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:47 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp