00:00:37 I don't know why, but prog1-bind is so annoying for my parser... 00:02:10 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-180-182.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:02:15 tenawa [~user@adsl-75-53-123-94.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:06:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:09:29 etenil: what does DEFPARSE do? 00:10:01 -!- davazp [~user@201.Red-88-6-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:57 -!- superflit [~superflit@140.226.49.148] has quit [Quit: superflit] 00:16:25 brown [~user@nat/google/x-bxvbidhohbxyfraj] has joined #lisp 00:16:29 -!- brown is now known as reb 00:17:02 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE00222d128ba2-CM00222d128b9e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:18:37 -!- loke [~elias@bb219-75-125-147.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:30 etenil` [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:20:12 -!- etenil [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:20:39 gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.216.32] has joined #lisp 00:20:52 the macro's goal is to generate the defun that's just above with its body in (push ,body tokens) 00:22:22 I know I could get away with passing a parsing function to the PARSE-LOG-FILE, but like I said, it's just a (I thought) trivial example of a macro 00:22:50 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-180-182.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:25:30 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:26:16 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5C915D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:28:25 I guess I'll find another example 00:28:32 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:40 this one doesn't really make sense 00:32:02 minion: memo for preyalone_: the manual of clisp gives a reader macro to deal with #! 00:32:02 Remembered. I'll tell preyalone_ when he/she/it next speaks. 00:33:00 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:36:35 QinGW [~wangqingw@60.247.26.3] has joined #lisp 00:41:36 etenil`: this example is probably better done with a higher order function like you said 00:42:28 -!- oconnore [~eric@209.172.228.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:42:50 rootlocus: yes, that was my first thought. Finally I've come up with a macro that prints an error if some code doesn't return T (a bit like assert) 00:44:28 macros are useful but it's always a pain to come up with a good one to demonstrate what they are... 00:44:47 -!- rien|home is now known as rien 00:45:14 -!- etenil` [~user@93-96-0-153.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:55 it's pain to demo rather do. 00:47:08 *rather than 00:47:12 etenil`: Agreed. To answer your question about LINE: you could always document DEFPARSE as introducing the binding LINE as an anaphora in the lexical environment in which the body executes, bound to the current line in the file. 00:49:47 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-177-205-233.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:53:23 Teeko [~Teeko@141.Red-81-39-19.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:59 sy_ [~sy@cpe-24-162-115-160.hot.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:55:02 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:28 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Quit: Valete!] 01:00:57 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 01:02:44 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.52] has joined #lisp 01:03:24 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-140.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:04:56 milkpost [~milkpost@12.237.21.218] has joined #lisp 01:05:13 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.147.92] has joined #lisp 01:05:55 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 01:08:10 -!- Guest44568 [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 01:08:40 sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:51 -!- xristos_ is now known as xristos 01:08:54 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-124-29.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 01:09:33 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-90-52-4.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 01:10:23 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-107-232.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:11:51 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:12:21 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:25 -!- reb [~user@nat/google/x-bxvbidhohbxyfraj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:29 reb [~user@nat/google/x-veykwfjbzlozlsrv] has joined #lisp 01:14:48 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:17:09 banisterfiend [~john@118.82.154.61] has joined #lisp 01:17:13 hey guys 01:18:15 when you edit code in the slime REPL, say you modify a function, how do you then ensure that the modificaitons you make are saved to the file? 01:18:22 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483C8D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:19:11 -!- Teeko [~Teeko@141.Red-81-39-19.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:20:11 Teeko [~Teeko@55.Red-88-27-236.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:42 I'd say  make sure it's in a buffer and you save it. 01:22:07 Whatever you redefine in the repl lives as long as the lisp image. 01:23:44 antoszka: but what if u want to save what was in the lisp image to the actual source files? 01:23:48 -!- basho__ [~basho__@188.108.229.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:24:15 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:24:31 banisterfiend: well, it's bad idea. You can of course search slime repl's history and copy that to files 01:25:25 MoALTz_ [~no@92.18.73.233] has joined #lisp 01:27:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:27:13 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:20 p_l|backup: what if you've fixed a bug in the repl and want that bugfix back in the source? 01:27:26 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 01:28:22 write the fix into source 01:28:27 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.18.73.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:28:30 basically, you should use REPL for experimenting etc. 01:28:41 and use source files with compile- commands 01:30:28 basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-227-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 01:32:39 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 01:34:00 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:18 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:21 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:35:56 zac314159 [~user@c-68-84-149-234.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:38:59 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:13 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 01:40:58 xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:02 rlpowell [~rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org] has joined #lisp 01:41:41 So I sort of dip my toes in the CL world every few months, and every time I do it seems there's a new sexy package management tool; what's the flavour of the month these days? 01:41:59 quicklisp 01:43:33 rlpowell: and it looks like it's going to stay 01:45:28 Does anybody besides me find it funny that (1 y'all knew exactly what I meant and (2) the answer is different than last time? :D 01:45:44 p_l|backup: Yeah, well, I thought mudballs was pretty awesome, and look where that ended up. :) 01:46:07 rlpowell: unlike previous projects, quicklisp managed to get "market penetration" 01:46:14 *rtoym* has never used anything besides quicklisp 01:46:34 As a random side-comment, I bumped into picolisp today. As obscure language projects go, that one seems rather more grounded in solving real problems than most. 01:46:38 *nod* to both. 01:46:39 rlpowell: Yeah, QL is pretty universally accepted. 01:50:00 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:50 yeah, usually there's more than one answer. :) Thanks. 01:52:12 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:53:23 rlpowell: If you mention mudballs I'd have thought it's rather every few years than every few months that you look into the topic ;) 01:54:10 antoszka: Oh, no, I've known mudballs is dead for at least the last 3 checks. :) 01:54:23 I'm just saying that it colours my views when people say "here to stay" or similar. 01:54:26 Or 30 :) 01:54:31 :P 01:55:52 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 01:55:53 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 01:56:17 -!- pnkfelix1 [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:57:43 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:58:59 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 02:00:10 rlpowell: the difference is how widely used it is 02:00:25 -!- kirkwood [~user@c-24-17-10-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:00:51 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 02:02:42 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-121-55.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 02:02:44 speed of uptake has been pretty phenomenal as well. probably a function of how easy Xach made it to get into (it's "quick") and the fact that it is very close to The Right Thing (tm) 02:02:54 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:03:03 -!- Teeko [~Teeko@55.Red-88-27-236.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Teeko] 02:03:41 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 02:03:58 oconnore [~eric@209.172.228.55] has joined #lisp 02:04:17 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:ddfc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04:22 pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:ddfc] has joined #lisp 02:05:30 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-124-29.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:07:38 -!- xan_ [~xan@167.Red-79-158-92.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:09:34 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:12:23 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:13:14 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:13:48 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:28 splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 02:14:56 I'm a newbie at Emacs; don't know if this is because debian updated it or if I toggled some esoteric setting, but recently every compilation warning opens a new window (like C-x 3) instead of appearing on top. (How) can I turn this behavior off? 02:15:43 23.2.1 with slime 02:17:00 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:18:15 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:18:50 -!- jweiss_ [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:21:26 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:53 Xach: sb-pcl does export a new symbol... Why would people *USE* it, though? 02:22:54 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 02:22:56 gaidal: ask in emacs 02:23:01 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:05 gaidal: seems windows and frame related 02:23:28 Will do 02:23:31 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 02:28:29 -!- wubo [~user@c-68-55-91-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:28:59 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 02:29:45 -!- jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:30:18 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@12.237.21.218] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:30:44 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:30:59 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 02:31:32 kirkwood [~user@c-24-17-10-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:46 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:32:59 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:20 jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:34:57 -!- scode_ [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:06 scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has joined #lisp 02:36:23 -!- banisterfiend [~john@118.82.154.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:38:36 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:38:54 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.200.182] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 02:57:45 -!- sy_ [~sy@cpe-24-162-115-160.hot.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 02:59:04 -!- scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:18 scode [~scode@hyperion.scode.org] has joined #lisp 03:10:35 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11:36 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:12:11 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:24 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:13:41 -_- I've been using quicklisp for all of a minute and an install has already bombed. 03:13:51 (maybe not quicklisp's fault,just sayin') 03:15:19 -!- tessier [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has quit [Changing host] 03:15:19 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 03:16:31 rlpowell: What happened? (there's also #quicklisp) 03:17:29 rlpowell: Along with the usual questions like  what CL impl, etc. 03:18:01 I suspect pretty strongly is that one of the 4-ish CL packaging systems I've had on here before is interefering, so purging my SBCL and re-installing for starters. The error's at http://pastie.org/1631146 , though, if you'd like to look. 03:18:16 But let me make a decent attempt and taking "my system is hella broken" out of the mix. :D 03:18:55 rlpowell: you have an old cxml/a new asdf. 03:19:11 -!- myu2_ [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:32 That's the sort of thing I was suspecting, yes. :) 03:19:53 *rlpowell* really needs to build himself a new shell server from scratch. 03:20:13 (this thing actually has /etc/ files from when it was a BSD box; it's been linux for 8+ years) 03:20:41 rlpowell: That is impressive :) 03:20:48 (and that'snot the worst of it; I wrote http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/index.html on this box; there's a *LOT* of crap on here) 03:20:55 -!- oconnore [~eric@209.172.228.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:21:29 or is it a new cxml and an old asdf? either way (: 03:22:09 Heh. 03:22:30 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 03:25:23 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:25:36 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 03:29:32 oconnore [~eric@209.172.228.55] has joined #lisp 03:31:22 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 03:32:04 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: statonjr] 03:34:41 -!- [df] [~df@163.8.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:35:07 Wow. Pretty slick once it works. :) 03:35:10 (quicklisp) 03:35:17 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-150-105.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:35:40 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:36:08 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-180-182.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:36:38 banisterfiend [~john@118.82.154.61] has joined #lisp 03:37:25 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:37:29 homie: do you like rap music/ 03:37:47 -!- Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-121-55.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:37:58 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 03:43:42 gary-s [~gary@186.42.102.50] has joined #lisp 03:44:01 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440349.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:45:24 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.216.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:47:36 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit 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I've been digging around and the ones I am seeing (cl-gtk, mcclim, cells-gtk) don't seem to have recent patches 06:00:39 gui ? 06:00:50 well tried commonqt ? 06:01:17 jep somehow mcclim failed here a few times too 06:01:56 ltk ? 06:04:09 :: googling :: 06:05:21 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:05:30 ltk has active traffic on the mailign list. :: is it gold? or is it just glittering? :: 06:06:10 ?? 06:06:18 tias 06:06:38 Sorry. 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may be lined in chalk... 07:50:03 <_6502_> homie is "relative" ? 07:50:38 <_6502_> you betta => you betta watchin' 07:51:27 _6502_: C64 owner? 07:51:40 eheh 07:51:42 <_6502_> apple ][ 07:51:50 cut it please 07:52:14 <_6502_> jdz: okie bro :-) 07:52:21 <_6502_> is #emacs dead? 07:53:12 you killed it 07:53:14 lol 07:54:11 <_6502_> i'm jail... (win32) ;-) ... and I wanted to know if I can get emacs to use backslashes for name completion in a shell window 07:55:11 <_6502_> #emacs channel is full, but no one is saying anything 07:56:15 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:13 Too busy waiting for someone else to say something 07:57:18 <_6502_> anything useful i mean... 07:57:35 <_6502_> homie ;-) 07:59:23 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:20 -!- mgr_ [~mgr@mail.phinn.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:45 _6502_: in general, the answer to any question that starts with "can I get emacs to..." is yes 08:03:43 it's the "how?", and "is it easy?" that vary... 08:03:53 <_6502_> apparently also #lisp percentage of useful messages is dropping fast 08:04:39 _6502_: yes, you're doing a good job ensuring it is 08:04:48 _pearle_ [~pearle@24.224.181.222] has joined #lisp 08:05:00 kiuma 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as insomniaSalt 08:09:58 <_6502_> then homie got online and i welcomed him/her with a line from gangstas paradise... if this is a crime then lispers bad attitude is even worse than it's described on the internet 08:11:02 I think that it's just a bad mood. 08:11:05 <_6502_> the smarter guy around here then found it important to nitpick about my bad english (english is not my first language)... 08:11:45 eheh, i got it 08:12:02 no mood, is the best mood 08:12:27 _6502_: you're still at it 08:12:40 <_6502_> at what? 08:13:22 _6502_: decreasing the signal/noise ratio 08:14:01 <_6502_> no... there is no signal at all here, ratio remains zero 08:14:02 <_6502_> nada 08:14:06 <_6502_> beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep 08:14:18 lol 08:14:34 operation successfull 08:14:53 mission possible 08:15:19 <_6502_> a flat green line 08:15:39 <_6502_> gotta go... later guys 08:15:45 -!- _6502_ [58959a57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.149.154.87] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:15:52 i have 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windows without cygwin? 13:38:38 cesarbp: I think quicklisp might work better than asdf-install on Windows. 13:38:47 cesarbp: I don't know about your actual question, sorry. 13:41:16 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-89-217-217-195.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:41:23 anything is better than asdf-install 13:41:30 Liera` [~user@113.172.42.207] has joined #lisp 13:43:05 okies 13:43:30 how do i uninstall asdf-install? :p 13:43:54 What CL implementation are you using? 13:44:11 -!- Areil [~Areil@113.172.65.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44:12 clisp 13:44:15 -!- Liera [~user@113.172.65.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:44:20 i guess i'll just stop initializing it? 13:44:37 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:44:51 That should work. 13:47:08 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:41 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-64-168.xnet.hr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:48:03 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:49:30 ah quicklisp is so much easier 13:49:42 i wasted like 4 hours with asdf yesterday 13:50:08 quicklisp uses asdf, too. but asdf-install is something different. 13:50:17 asdf-install has many problems, including its name. 13:50:39 Teeko [~Teeko@184.Red-83-49-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:25 :) thanks 13:51:41 quicklisp! :) 13:51:45 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:54 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@pc26.zsk.p.lodz.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:52:11 killerboy [~mateusz@pc26.zsk.p.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 13:52:55 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@pc26.zsk.p.lodz.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 13:52:59 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 13:53:15 killerboy [~mateusz@pc26.zsk.p.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 13:53:52 -!- CallToPower is now known as denmeyer 13:54:16 benny 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[~Ove@c80-216-207-2.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 14:30:53 gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 14:31:00 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:31:22 I agree although I'd actually need the former thing right now :-) 14:31:51 a number of projects have failed due to sb-pcl package locks. (maybe the package locks are new?) 14:32:09 nikodemus: that number is actually 2, i think. 14:32:12 Xach: i suspect it's because it recently added +slot-unbound+ to exports 14:32:26 i'll show you an example error 14:32:42 Xach: Is there an easy way, with Quicklisp, to have a different directory than ~/quicklisp? I'm thinking of just letting it install there, and then symlinking it. I guess I can change the .sbclrc as well, but is there a better option? 14:32:45 thanks 14:32:57 -!- silenius [~silenus@p5DDBBB61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:32 TDT: see FAQ! 14:33:36 TDT: yes, it's very easy 14:33:46 -!- jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:52 http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/faq.html is the faq 14:33:57 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:34:06 *Xach* is somewhat sad that clbuild's faq turns up ahead of quicklisp's in a search for: quicklisp faq 14:34:08 Xach: ah, didn't see that on the quickstart page - thanks. 14:34:11 jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:34:56 nikodemus: this line from clsql signals an error: #+sbcl (setf (slot-value esd 'sb-pcl::%type-check-function) nil) 14:35:12 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-166615.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:35:23 Xach: aha, well, that's no surprise. no such slot-name anymore 14:35:31 nikodemus: when did it go? 14:35:32 fmw [~fmw@541FD7B9.cm-5-8d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 14:35:44 sometime in 1.0.45? 14:36:29 1.0.46.11 14:37:13 but really... it's called sb-pcl::%type-check-function. it has the %. it's unexported. and _still_ people use this stuff -- in widely distributed projects, even 14:37:32 milkpost [~milkpost@173-23-137-233.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 14:37:50 it looks like that was introduced a few months ago 14:37:53 the use of it, that is 14:37:55 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.79.158.70] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.2] 14:37:56 *Xach* checks clsql git 14:38:02 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 14:38:16 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 14:38:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:38:17 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 14:38:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-24-21.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 14:38:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:39:41 Xach: which file is it in? 14:39:57 metaclasses.lisp 14:40:23 ah, i get this error message when trying to install postmodern: GETF: the property list (4) has an odd length 14:41:17 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@173-23-137-233.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:41:55 Xach: i strongly suspect that 1.0.46.11 doesn't need that anymore based on the comment above it 14:42:38 cesarbp: I can't reproduce, sorry. Loads fine for me in clisp. 14:43:35 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:36 alama [~alama@193.137.143.157] has joined #lisp 14:44:11 so replacing the #+sbcl with #+(and sbcl #.(cl:if (cl:find-symbol "%TYPE-CHECK-FUNCTION" :sb-pcl) '(and) '(or))) should do the trick 14:44:33 or equivalent 14:44:53 yeah 14:46:28 gives me that same error when i try to install usocket :p 14:46:30 was there another one too, or was it about the same thing? 14:47:12 morning 14:47:13 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-169441.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 14:47:15 cesarbp: what version of clisp are you using? 14:47:29 nikodemus: no symbol named "SLOT-DEFINITION-READER-FUNCTION" in "SB-PCL" 14:47:32 nikodemus: that's elephant 14:48:13 elephant could use a good closer-mop going-over 14:48:30 slyrus: http://cyrusharmon.org/blog/display?id=113 <-- is it specified anywhere that (values) doesn't cons? 14:49:13 mathrick: dunno. but in my experiments (with SBCL) that approach doesn't cons. 14:49:14 version 2.49 14:49:49 cesarbp: hmm, sounds like a possible bug in usocket on clisp for windows. clisp 2.49 for linux seems to load it fine. 14:50:15 mathrick: I don't think anything is specified to allocate memory (or not to). 14:50:15 ah :( 14:51:19 -!- qsun [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:51:22 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:53:05 qsun [~qsun@66.220.3.138] has joined #lisp 14:53:15 Xach: at a glance elephant should not have a method on sb-pcl:initialize-internal-slot-functions at all -- either they don't need it, or if they need it there's either something wrong with their MOP use or there's an SBCL bug that needs to be fixed 14:53:59 i'm not at all convinced that sb-pcl::initialize-internal-slot-function should be a generic function in the first place 14:54:11 pkhuong: you're probably right. I wonder though if there's something in the spec that'd suggest (the possibility of) not consing 14:54:21 -!- emporas [~emporas@athedsl-169441.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:54:47 The_Fellow [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has joined #lisp 14:54:57 nikodemus: how does i-i-s-f relate to s-d-r-f? 14:55:07 dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-101-11.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 14:55:34 they have a method on i-i-s-f where they setf the s-d-r-f 14:55:46 ah 14:56:00 -!- xan_ [~xan@138.57.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:56:08 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 14:56:18 and right before the defmethod they have: 14:56:20 #+sbcl ;; CMU also? Old code follows... 14:57:17 mathrick: I think evidence of the existence of non-consing implementations is more important than an explicit note that says "you don't have to cons to do this" in the spec :) 14:57:50 -!- The_Fellow1 [~spider1@glida.mooo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:57:56 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:05 so i really doubt it's needed -- it may have been a workaround for a time when slot-value-using-class didn't work right 14:58:52 xan_ [~xan@138.57.21.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:59:26 *Xach* now wishes he had already collected project metadata for "bug report procedure" 14:59:58 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 15:00:12 Xach: you need to publish how you want that data submitted. 15:00:30 Xach: I'll happily submit it for the projects I have a stake in 15:01:07 *Xach* has a lot of yak shaving to get to that point 15:02:05 ooh, ql:quickbug 15:02:28 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 15:02:38 then ql:quickpatch :) 15:02:41 heh 15:03:18 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-166307.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:03:22 then ql:dwim 15:03:30 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.217.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:03:36 lol 15:03:38 Xach: ok. just let us know when you get there. btw; in order to get there quicker, I've started the abcl release procedure; you'll get the updated DIRECTORY function somewhere next week. 15:03:48 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:03:58 -!- jamief [~user@harrison.doc.gold.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.5] 15:04:08 woo 15:04:23 vlion [~user@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 15:04:36 -!- vlion [~user@76.178.165.160] has left #lisp 15:04:55 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ikwyqirkkdreobtp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05:04 lacedaemon [~root@89.202.147.18] has joined #lisp 15:06:53 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:53 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:53 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:54 -!- Axioplase_ [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:54 -!- egn [~egn@li101-203.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:55 -!- aidalgol [aidan@2002:453d:f72::1337:3] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:55 -!- madsy [~madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:55 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:55 -!- cmbntr [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:55 -!- m4thrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:55 -!- PissedNumlock [~resteven@igwe32.vub.ac.be] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:55 -!- jwdunne [~jwdunne@cpc1-ward9-2-0-cust148.10-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:55 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-112-241.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- guaqua [gua@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- Buganini [~buganini@security-hole.info] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- timjstewart1 [~tims@159.182.183.6] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- kencausey [~ken@67.15.6.88] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- lianj [~lianj@subtle/user/lianj] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- ozzloy [~ozzloy@unaffiliated/ozzloy] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- nowhere_man [pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-46-226.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- koning_robot [~aap@50-208.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- schmrkc [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- _dev0_ [~dev@c-24-16-28-215.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:56 -!- fds [~frankie@fsf/member/fds] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:57 -!- Zhivago [~zhivago@li49-59.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:57 -!- df_aldur [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:57 -!- Adrinael [~adrinael@barrel.rolli.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:57 -!- jesusabdullah [~jesusabdu@li225-26.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:57 -!- `micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:57 -!- spacebat [~spacebat@ubermonkey.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:57 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:06:57 -!- hyko [~toby@my.unixuni.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:07:27 *Xach* is still trying to figure out how to do it on ecl, too 15:07:46 jamief [~user@harrison.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:08:29 If I have a class C with a slot/accessor S, and I want a mixin M be able to overwrite it - how do I do that? 15:08:32 (defgeneric bar (foo foo)) is this allowed? 15:09:12 If I add a (defmethod S ((m M)) :foo) this will not be invoked in case the superclass specification is (defclass C* (C M) ()) 15:09:21 if I'm getting it right 15:09:35 stassats: yes 15:10:28 aoh_ [~aki@80.75.102.51] has joined #lisp 15:10:33 fus [rav@torvalds.rootnode.net] has joined #lisp 15:12:12 algal [~anonymous@92.26.0.77] has joined #lisp 15:13:22 hm the mixin could define an :around method 15:14:54 aidalgol [aidan@2002:453d:f72::1337:3] has joined #lisp 15:15:05 sbcl doesn't complain about it 15:15:08 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:09 -!- rafusy [rav@torvalds.rootnode.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:09 -!- aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:09 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:20 albino_ [~albino@69.12.222.214] has joined #lisp 15:15:28 -!- jso [~user@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:28 -!- mgindulescu [~mircea@nat/nokia/x-kdpvmdbnyrxijevo] has left #lisp 15:15:28 -!- albino [~albino@69.12.222.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:36 -!- parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:47 stassats: it is allowed. You probably don't understand what it does. However, since most implementation will provide you with a style warning, you might get a clue. 15:17:04 -!- jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:17:09 tty234_ [telex@anapnea.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:22 jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:58 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #lisp 15:19:01 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 15:19:13 parcs [~patrick@ool-45741d7d.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:41 tvaalen_ [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 15:19:50 Pepe__ [~ppjet@static.205.131.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 15:19:53 ramus_ [~ramus@adsl-108-76-78-229.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:14 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 15:20:39 where is it allowed? 15:20:50 "Each required argument, as specified in the gf-lambda-list argument, must be included exactly once as a parameter-name, or an error of type program-error 15:20:50 is signaled." 15:21:07 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-62-247.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:21:42 rasterba_ [~rasterbar@50.12.160.139] has joined #lisp 15:21:44 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:06 -!- Pepe_ [~ppjet@static.205.131.4.46.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:22:13 -!- Pepe__ is now known as Pepe_ 15:24:04 any other options for connecting to postgresql besides postmodern/clsql? I can't install any of them xD 15:24:13 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:28 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:24:44 try harder installing postmodern 15:25:07 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:07 -!- benny [~benny@i577A8506.versanet.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:07 -!- statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:07 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:07 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:07 -!- tty234 [telex@anapnea.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:07 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-49-13-243.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:08 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 15:25:08 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [*.net 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The question came up on the maxima list. There is discussion on switching the windows build to use ccl instead of gcl. It might be that some (many?) maxima users don't have sse2. 16:46:58 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- psilord [~psilord@76.201.144.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- housel` [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- akkartik [~akkartik@akkartik.name] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- huehnts_ [~huehnts@static.213-239-210-158.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- urandom_ [~user@p548A7753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-101-11.xnet.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-087.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:58 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:59 -!- csamuelson [~csamuelso@ec2-50-17-240-121.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:59 -!- jwise [~user@173-14-157-193-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:59 -!- ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:47:28 -!- ilmari [ilmari@knuth.ping.uio.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:47:28 -!- cky [~cky@fsf/member/cky] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:47:29 -!- andreer [andreer@flode.pvv.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:47:31 csamuelson [~csamuelso@ec2-50-17-240-121.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 16:47:34 rtoym: that would be a very old computer. 16:47:48 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 16:47:50 huehnts [~huehnts@static.213-239-210-158.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 16:48:03 Speaking of maxima...is there a way to call maxima-based functions, withing say sbcl? I recall searching for this awhile ago, but not finding an answer. 16:48:18 Bronsa [~brace@host140-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:48:40 Joreji [~thomas@72-087.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:48:44 Teeko [~Teeko@184.Red-83-49-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:00 akkartik [~akkartik@akkartik.name] has joined #lisp 16:49:04 ilmari [ilmari@knuth.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 16:49:06 cky [~cky@car.spillville.com] has joined #lisp 16:49:13 andreer [andreer@flode.pvv.ntnu.no] has joined #lisp 16:49:55 pkhuong: I have such a laptop. About 5+ years old. Works ok, but really rather slow. I only use it for surfing. 16:50:26 TDT: Of course you can. But realisitically, only if you load up all of maxima. Maxima is not designed as a library. 16:51:20 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-14-244.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:55 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:08 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #lisp 16:52:10 -!- cky [~cky@car.spillville.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:52:11 cky [~cky@fsf/member/cky] has joined #lisp 16:52:20 rtoym: you don't use the laptop for maxima? 16:52:24 m1ngus [~Adium@tunnel-32-102.vpn.uib.no] has joined #lisp 16:52:40 rtoym: a friend of mine uses Maxima as part of an interactive math website. He connects Maxima to the site app through local pipes sending input and parsing output. Rather slow, but it works quite stably. 16:52:54 superflit [~superflit@140.226.49.148] has joined #lisp 16:53:06 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:53:29 -!- kushal is now known as druncencoder 16:53:33 -!- druncencoder is now known as drunkencoder 16:53:45 Xach: I did build cmucl on it once, just to check. Won't be doing that again. Now it's just for surfing barely. The battery doesn't hold charge anymore. 16:54:08 ehu: That seems to be basically how everyone does it. 16:54:35 dkasak [~dkasak@dh207-101-11.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 16:56:13 borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:30 -!- lacedaemon [~root@89.202.147.18] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:56:30 -!- jesusito [~user@110.pool85-49-242.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:56:30 -!- jweiss [~user@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:56:31 -!- joast [~rick@CPE-76-178-178-72.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:56:31 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.17.75] has quit [*.net *.split] 16:56:51 -!- Faed is now known as Fade 16:57:00 asurai [~bmp@static-71-190-247-30.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:08 ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 16:59:05 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:59:15 ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 16:59:38 dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 17:01:13 housel` [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has joined #lisp 17:01:30 psilord [~psilord@76.201.144.30] has joined #lisp 17:01:53 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:01:53 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:02:30 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.17.75] has joined #lisp 17:02:36 snearch [~snearch@f053001122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:04:08 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 17:05:13 xan_ [~xan@1.61.17.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:05:56 -!- jweiss` is now known as jweiss 17:06:13 silenius [~silenus@dslb-088-072-018-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:08 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 17:08:13 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has joined #lisp 17:10:43 -!- coffeemug1 [~coffeemug@adsl-76-254-60-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:11:41 rme: One issue is that apparently ccl is 3 times slower than gcl running maxima. Bummer. 17:11:52 -!- jesusito` is now known as jesusito 17:12:18 rtoym: what's gcl's trick? 17:12:26 Maxima has been specially optimized to run efficiently on gcl. It's about the only program that runs on gcl actually. 17:12:45 ok. so it's the other way around? 17:12:48 pjb: sort of a symbiotic relationship? 17:13:03 urandom_ [~user@p548A7753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:05 gcl and maxima were developed by Bill Schelter. 17:13:07 well, what would I need to do in ABCL to take advantage of the optimizations? 17:13:10 Perhaps. Hapilly, Maxima has evolved recently and now runs on all main CL implementations. 17:13:35 Axiom runs on gcl. 17:13:58 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:14:11 And there are no real optimizations in maxima Lisp code to make gcl run faster than anything else. 17:15:00 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:15:02 It just does. 17:15:19 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5082A03D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:29 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082A03D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:59 Well, there was one hack. There's a file that has function declarations for all the files in maxima. Apparently, this lets gcl compile the functions and function calls better. But that hasn't really been maintained in some time. 17:18:09 And gcl still racks as one of the fastest. At least on the testsuite. cmucl and sbcl follow very closely. ccl and ecl are quite a bit behind, followed by clisp and then abcl. 17:18:12 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:18:17 Er, ranks, not racks. 17:19:00 right. abcl doesn't use the fact much that you're allowed to do a hard call to the functions which are part of the same lisp file. 17:19:23 but the structure of its CONS object isn't very good either. 17:20:12 which probably means its car/cdr aren't performing too great. 17:20:32 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 17:20:45 pearle [~pearle@blk-224-181-222.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 17:21:14 coffeemug [~coffeemug@adsl-76-254-60-115.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:31 does gcl have common subexpression elimination? 17:22:31 Did anything ever come of the talk of JVM features to make it easier to write performant JVM-targeting dynamic languages? 17:22:43 I know it was talked about for Java 7, but I think it may have been pushed back 17:23:25 yes. it's called invokedynamic 17:23:29 it's a new instruction. 17:24:15 it seems to match our dynamic rebinding of function call sites nicely, but doesn't fit with CLOS very well, at least from my current understanding. 17:24:23 Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 17:24:49 however, since Java 7 isn't even released yet, I don't see how ABCL could support it any time soon, while maintaining a good enough level of backward compat 17:25:15 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:26:20 also, astalla has been looking into it, but 1.6 and 1.7 require a new class file format which is harder to fill, from our current lisp compiler. 17:27:24 I'm having a problem with http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-xmpp/ , and mail to the mailing list doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. I don't suppose any of the devs in question are around? 17:28:00 -!- xan_ [~xan@1.61.17.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:28:04 I was using that a while back 17:28:14 had some compatibility issues with ejabberd 17:28:20 'zacly. :) 17:28:29 I think I sorted it out in the end, but can't remember offhand what I did 17:28:43 may have a patched copy of a (very old) cl-xmpp at home 17:29:18 codelurker [~codelurke@adsl-99-22-104-220.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:28 Areil`` [~Areil@113.172.52.8] has joined #lisp 17:29:47 I'll take it if you get a chance to dig it up. 17:29:54 Liera`` [~user@113.172.52.8] has joined #lisp 17:29:59 -!- zac314159 [~user@c-68-84-149-234.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:30:28 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30:56 -!- Liera`` is now known as Liera 17:31:09 -!- Liera` [~user@123.21.158.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:31:11 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-19.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:31:54 -!- Areil` [~Areil@123.21.158.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:35:00 -!- Areil`` is now known as Areil 17:35:36 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:37 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 17:35:48 -!- SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@209.119.73.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:36:24 SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@209.119.73.178] has joined #lisp 17:36:53 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:39:31 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:41:05 Liera` [~user@123.21.167.21] has joined #lisp 17:41:07 Areil` [~Areil@123.21.167.21] has joined #lisp 17:41:19 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 17:42:32 rlpowell: i had to do this http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/cl-xmpp-devel/2008-August/000295.html to get it working with ejabberd 17:43:23 -!- Areil [~Areil@113.172.52.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:43:40 davazp [~user@201.Red-88-6-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:43 -!- Liera [~user@113.172.52.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:43:50 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has joined #lisp 17:44:14 Liera`` [~user@123.20.59.15] has joined #lisp 17:44:25 sellout [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:45:56 stassats: It's hard to tell because that line isn't there anymore, but it looks like that change has been included. 17:45:58 -!- Areil` [~Areil@123.21.167.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:46:03 -!- Liera` [~user@123.21.167.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:46:33 But thank you anyway. 17:47:10 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:31 i was young and reckless, and didn't know about diff -u 17:47:37 Heh. 17:47:48 Yeah, all the stanza-callbacks seem to have that fix. 17:47:51 rlpowell: I'll have a look when I get home 17:47:57 rsynnott: Thanks. 17:48:05 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has joined #lisp 17:48:58 -!- davazp [~user@201.Red-88-6-204.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:20 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:50:28 surprisingly, i still have the source tree, and judging by cvs diff, it's not there still 17:51:00 stassats: *blink* 17:51:14 They must have moved, because it's certainly in what quicklisp grabbed. 17:51:14 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 17:53:55 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.27.78.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Quit: gone] 17:54:40 no, it's not 17:56:14 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 17:56:27 rlpowell: http://paste.lisp.org/display/120205 17:57:53 less than 3 years passed, you can't expect it be fixed so fast 17:59:15 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 17:59:30 Davidbrcz_ [david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 17:59:34 Areil` [~Areil@123.20.59.15] has joined #lisp 17:59:54 cesarbp: what version of windows are you using? i tried clisp on my windows xp vm and it seemed to load usocket and postmodern just fine. 18:00:12 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Client Quit] 18:00:20 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 18:00:29 vista home basic 18:00:38 *Xach* got his windows 7 test computer yesterday, but he could not set it up because he has no usb keyboard 18:00:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-087.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:50 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:37 just use ssh! 18:02:38 -!- mpereira [~murilo@201.82.50.37] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:25 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:03:59 stassats: I annotated. 18:04:30 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:00 -!- psilord [~psilord@76.201.144.30] has left #lisp 18:05:09 screw cl-xmpp, write something reasonable instead 18:05:32 ;_; 18:05:54 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@188-195-186-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:06:19 it indeed seems to be fixed, without using CVS. how uncool is that? 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Is that to be expected? 18:27:27 freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has joined #lisp 18:27:35 ehu: I don't think gcl has cse. 18:27:50 ehu: I would expect that, because I know of no Common Lisp ASDF system named "slime". 18:28:23 -!- housel` is now known as housel 18:28:28 Xach: ok. but then what's the "slime" line in http://xach.com/tmp/downloads.txt 18:28:30 carlocci [~nes@93.37.216.239] has joined #lisp 18:28:34 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 18:28:45 ehu: slime is the name of the project. it defines a system named swank. 18:28:56 quickload is for loading systems. 18:28:57 alexsura1i [~alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:19 those stats are for projects, which don't always contain systems of the same name. 18:29:28 rtoym: ok. then there should be more in store for ABCL. 18:29:39 Xach: ah. what downloads a package? 18:30:11 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 18:30:44 -!- fds [~frankie@ajax.webvictim.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:30:44 fds [~frankie@fsf/member/fds] has joined #lisp 18:30:59 ehu: (ql-dist:ensure-installed (ql-dist:release "slime")) would do it. It's not really part of the standard user interface yet. 18:31:23 ah. thanks. 18:31:30 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:31 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 18:31:35 jwdunne [~jwdunne@cpc1-ward9-2-0-cust148.10-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:31:55 -!- alexsura1i is now known as alexsuraci` 18:31:57 most of the packages in the top 20 actually compile on ABCL without issues. 18:32:11 that's encouraging. 18:32:23 *ehu* doesn't know if they actually work though 18:32:26 *Xach* despairs at the "package" confusion 18:34:49 -!- drunkencoder [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:34:51 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:34:53 waaaaargh [~waaaaargh@agsb-5d87ed8f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:13 -!- Davidbrcz_ [david@212-198-118-66.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:36:54 -!- 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minion: memo for slyrus: I created a Trac ticket for the CLtL2 environments support in ABCL (http://trac.common-lisp.net/armedbear/ticket/137) 20:21:06 Remembered. 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21:21:16 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:22:46 francogrex [~user@109.130.117.153] has joined #lisp 21:23:05 _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:23:59 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 21:26:08 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:26:35 Good morning everyone! 21:28:21 -!- bobbysmith0071 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:29:54 beach: hi. 21:33:13 almostgoodnight here 21:34:43 superflit [~superflit@140.226.49.148] has joined #lisp 21:37:02 hello beach 21:37:46 I wish it was closer to night here :) 21:38:02 3:30 right now...I'm so much looking forward to work being over. 21:39:08 TDT: Would that be 15:30? 21:39:27 yep 21:47:54 Teeko [~Teeko@184.Red-83-49-132.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:00 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48:00 is it conceivable to add/insert columns into a (tab delimited) file (using open and format...) without reading in the data? I guess file-position will have to be used... 21:49:01 francogrex: um. how would you avoid overwriting the data that comes after the first cell you insert? 21:52:05 antifuchs: i know. i was hoping a magical trick would displace it to the rightby a tab 21:52:28 there is no such magical trick 21:54:15 Is there a way to tell slime to recompile all files with calls that use a (now redefined) macro? 21:54:41 gary-s [~gary@186.42.102.50] has joined #lisp 21:54:55 Vinnipeg [~sa1vador@PPPoE-78-29-73-0.san.ru] has joined #lisp 21:55:10 sykopomp: M-? on the macro name, then C-c C-k in the xref buffer 21:55:25 -!- Vinnipeg [~sa1vador@PPPoE-78-29-73-0.san.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:58 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:19 rolando [~user@9.77.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 21:58:34 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:59:38 -!- drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00:19 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:23 drdo [~user@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 22:02:45 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.170.110] has joined #lisp 22:03:39 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.52] has joined #lisp 22:03:53 tenawa [~user@adsl-75-53-123-94.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:08:41 -!- milkpost_ [~milkpost@dhcpw81ffe495.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:08:48 emporas [~emporas@athedsl-174128.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 22:10:03 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:11:15 -!- algal [~anonymous@78-86-30-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: algal] 22:12:40 pnq [~nick@ACA4381D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:16 kuatto [kuatto@c-75-72-177-136.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:09 enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-90-52-4.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:15:16 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:05 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:16:49 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:18:19 alama [~alama@a79-169-94-247.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 22:19:05 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 22:20:19 -!- rolando [~user@9.77.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:21:07 -!- HET3 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:21:35 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@252.63.193-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:25:34 Landr [~vser@94-226-248-166.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 22:26:00 HET3 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:26:24 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:29:51 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 22:30:27 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@124-148-156-67.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:31:20 tcr: lovely! Thank you. :) 22:32:26 statonjr [~statonjr@cpe-071-075-085-085.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:32:32 ltriant [~ltriant@124-148-156-67.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 22:35:58 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has left #lisp 22:36:09 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-93-174-55.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:05 this kramdown etc. markup thingies look more and more like a hoax to me. 22:39:27 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:59 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:30 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 22:41:36 prxq: why? 22:42:34 i don't know, I'm finding them unstable, and rather limited. 22:43:14 so I can't reasonably set a class of a list 22:43:51 whitespace can lead to odd surprises 22:44:25 (i'm trying to use slidy via kramdown) 22:44:43 -!- fisted [~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:45:22 including some minimum of verbatim html has confused the latest kramdown rather thoroughly. 22:45:49 ouch 22:46:34 fisted [~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted] has joined #lisp 22:47:24 -!- kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has quit [Quit: reconnecting] 22:47:27 my use of org-mode for "whipping up" some latex stuff also ended in disappointment 22:47:32 kloeri [~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri] has joined #lisp 22:48:57 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:49:08 pjb: herep 22:49:44 -!- Ragnaroek [5b0c3cb8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.60.184] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:52:29 antifuchs: anyway, the claim is they are so practical cool and easy and etc, but atm they seem really more trouble than they are worth. 22:52:53 prxq, markdown, textile, etc... all of them are picky and error-prone, at least in my experience. 22:52:54 davertron [~david@c-24-218-166-166.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:48 I use latex, fwiw :) 22:53:52 Teeko: that's what I am finding out. Which is a pitty, as html sucks rather badly 22:53:57 That said, when you get used to your particular thing, it can be practical (at least more than say... HTML). 22:54:09 prxq: well, they're nice if you're doing a CMS. authoring whole documents with it isn't a great idea, I think 22:54:57 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:55:20 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 22:55:32 I found markdown itself good for blog posts but only after insulting the parser about a dozen of times. 22:55:46 pkhuong: me too, but I am unhappy with it, too. The last ~30 presentations I watched looked the same pretty much. 22:56:51 Is that bad if they look good? 22:56:59 I'm using webgen with markdown which seems to be ok 22:57:12 Teeko: I don't think they look too good. 22:57:17 prxq: if you want acutal styling, maybe check out haml 22:57:28 *prxq* searches 22:57:35 that is ruby-centric, but it lets you avoid almost all the html-y unpleasantness 22:57:52 prxq: I didn't know markdown could be used for presentations. 22:59:39 pkhuong: i got that odd idea of using slidy + mathjax + markdown/kramdown, but it is not straightforward 22:59:51 -!- ozzloy_ is now known as ozzloy 23:00:09 panike [~nwp@76.201.145.242] has joined #lisp 23:00:55 some of the features (foldable blocks, slides with scrollbars) seem useful to me. 23:01:17 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.123.109] has joined #lisp 23:01:34 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 23:01:34 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 23:01:34 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 23:02:07 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.117.153] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:02:11 I use a python script for that (markdown, jinja2 templates, yaml headers) similar to github's Jekyll thing. 23:02:33 not exactly plug and play :-) 23:03:12 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:18 It's a kludge 23:03:23 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.236.181] has joined #lisp 23:03:58 but given that I've written it, it fits my way of doing things well. 23:04:37 ale` [~user@109.255.54.142] has joined #lisp 23:04:40 my slides tend to be of 3 types: 1. wall of equations 2. picture/graph 3. table that no one reads. Different needs, clearly. 23:05:01 :-) 23:05:15 I'm not sure mine are different... 23:05:38 I try hard, though :-) 23:06:06 This slidy thing looks handy for presentations. :) 23:06:25 in theory, yes. 23:06:46 no pictures of adorable dogs? 23:06:51 -!- keyvan [~keyvan@ip68-5-13-232.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:05 -!- borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:09:03 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:09:07 antifuchs: warcraft II screenshots? 23:09:32 I had one of a gatling gun once. 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For full functionality you must be using the gold linker, which you can get by building binutils 2.21 or later with --enable-gold." 23:29:32 congojack [~congojack@63.98.8.67.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:30:13 Are there other benefits besides the multi-threading ones? 23:30:26 -!- longshot [~longshot@180.184.8.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:30:36 -!- delYsid [~user@chello084115136207.3.graz.surfer.at] has left #lisp 23:30:39 Teeko: lower memory usage 23:30:53 ... though I'm kinda stupefid that it wasn't implemented before o_O 23:31:08 the gold linker part might be the relevant hint 23:31:12 p_l|backup: it's hairy to get everything right. 23:31:19 -!- gary-s [~gary@186.42.102.50] has quit [Client Quit] 23:33:10 insane 23:33:18 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-149-136.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:33:41 I tried to figure out all the details on SBCL, and it wasn't nice, even before considering FFI. 23:34:06 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 23:39:21 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-90-52-4.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 23:41:00 wubo [~user@c-68-55-91-8.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:53 -!- alama [~alama@a79-169-94-247.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 23:44:28 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 23:44:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 23:46:01 araujo_ [~araujo@190.38.51.34] has joined #lisp 23:46:32 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:46:35 splittist [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 23:46:53 -!- kae [~dsa@ext02.gsp.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:54 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:54 -!- splittist2 [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:05 drl [~drl@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 23:47:27 kae [~dsa@ext02.gsp.se] has joined #lisp 23:49:21 *Xach* has so many treats coming up for bhyde 23:51:55 ale`` [~user@109.255.54.142] has joined #lisp 23:53:43 -!- ale` [~user@109.255.54.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:55:11 fisted_ [~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted] has joined #lisp 23:57:53 -!- fisted [~fisted@unaffiliated/fisted] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:58:21 -!- araujo_ [~araujo@190.38.51.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:25 claint [~user@88.247.119.253] has joined #lisp