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Then what do people do when they mess up an asd? Restart lisp? 00:19:09 -!- jrandom [~jrandom@66.87.1.120] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 00:19:46 jrandom123123 [~jrandom@66.87.1.120] has joined #lisp 00:19:53 -!- jrandom123123 is now known as jrandom 00:21:02 -!- jrandom [~jrandom@66.87.1.120] has left #lisp 00:23:14 -!- cheezus [~Adium@75.119.248.180] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:24:47 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:14 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:14 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:52 rtoym: touch .asd then find-system 00:26:45 I take it this does the appropriate magic? Why can't the asd just be reloaded? 00:27:51 because asdf does sekret things when loading as asd 00:27:59 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:28:27 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp2364.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:28:33 Why is it designed this way? 00:28:50 rtoym: best ask dan-b that (: 00:29:14 rtoym: there's a cache. asdf:clear-system will clear a system from the cache. 00:29:44 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:29:47 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:24 So asdf:defsystem doesn't clear it out with the new values? That would certainly explain why my :pathname changes weren't propagating. 00:31:01 *Xach* doesn't know, sorry 00:32:16 My expectation was that reloading an asd would redefine it. Guess I have to adjust my expectations to the new fangled way. 00:32:45 rtoym: keep in mind that oldfangled asdf was broken with reloading, too (: 00:33:29 antifuchs: That didn't bother me because I never wrote an asd for the oldfangled asdf. :-) mk:defsys is nice in this way. 00:33:31 it took steps to keep component identity across reloads for top-level :file ones, but made new components for :module contents. 00:33:37 haha 00:34:51 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:10 -!- pers [~user@160.sub-75-198-203.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37:19 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:37:59 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 00:39:51 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:55 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@188.146.86.44.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Quit: zzZZzz] 00:40:12 echo-area 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for i from 1 to 2 collect i finally (collect 100)) -> (1 2 100) 01:56:22 Obviously that doesn't work 01:56:31 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@201.171.208.228.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:57:38 jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:39 -!- ApeShot [~user@cpe-075-189-204-195.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:25 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-84-227-25-16.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 02:05:03 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:05:08 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:05:47 gko [~gko@111.82.119.181] has joined #lisp 02:08:23 anyone here running LW6 PE on 64bit linux? 02:09:00 -!- csamuelson [~csamuelso@ec2-50-17-240-121.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 02:10:02 csamuelson [~csamuelso@ec2-50-17-240-121.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 02:10:38 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slyrus: also hello slyrus 02:35:02 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 02:35:34 rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has joined #lisp 02:36:03 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:40:24 In asdf, :force t causes the system and all dependent systems to be recompiled. Is there a way to specify only the given system and not the dependencies? 02:41:14 adamvh [~adamvh@pool-71-179-82-48.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:34 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 02:43:43 adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 02:44:20 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45:36 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:46:05 -!- gko [~gko@111.82.119.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:48:11 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 02:53:27 rtoym: I wanted that feature the other day. 02:53:54 *rtoym* is hoping beach did something about it. :-) 02:54:08 Sorry, no! :) 02:54:08 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:54:17 -!- BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:54:26 BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:55:00 Fortunately, the system is not big, so it's not too bad. But still annoying. I think I added that ability to mk:defsys sometime back. 02:55:07 people have wanted that feature for ages 02:55:48 Is it hard to implement? Just don't recurse through the dependencies, right? 02:56:28 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:56:47 probably not too hard, no 02:57:04 just needs somebody bold enough to say "this is the way it should be done" 02:58:04 Surely there must have been someone bold enough in all this time to say so! 02:58:10 -!- kae [~dsa@ext02.gsp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59:58 it's a long time since I last looked at this 03:00:36 but I believe the traverse way of doing things (first, figure out a plan of what needs doing, then run perform on the plan) in asdf prevents that from being easy 03:01:04 -!- corruptmemory [~jim@ool-18bbd5b2.static.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:01:44 oh right 03:02:28 Bummer. Clearly, this doesn't bother people enough to do something about it. 03:04:30 rootlocus [~jolyonwhi@240218000001280102264afffe09eee2.ptr-ipv6.nicta.net] has joined #lisp 03:10:15 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:30 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:10:40 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:10:52 rtoym: has bothered me - my poiu mostly throws away TRAVERSE and does live performing of actions (: 03:11:08 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:13:20 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-atataetaihpfchja] has joined #lisp 03:13:39 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:15:11 IIRC the reason no one has done anything about it is that no one has a clear sense of the semantics and how a shallow :force should interact with them. 03:15:29 milkpost_ [~milkpost@dhcpw81ffecd3.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 03:15:39 antifuchs: YOU have a poiu too? 03:15:48 antifuchs: does it relate to fare's poiu? 03:16:09 "mine" is fare's (: 03:16:13 ok 03:16:22 And, now that I think of it, there's that whole vexed question of upstream systems and their failure to trigger downstream recompilations. 03:18:19 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:18:27 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw81ffecd3.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18:54 OT: if one has a slime add-on that requires a swank add-on, what's the recommended method for getting that swank code loaded? ASDF? 03:23:40 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:24:38 -!- milkpost_ [~milkpost@dhcpw81ffecd3.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:25:20 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-139-207.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:31:24 swank-require has the ability to take a pathname, but AFAICT the machinery in slime doesn't provide any way to get one into it. 03:33:05 -!- dkasak_ [~dkasak@93-138-118-235.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:34:56 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:34:59 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:35:14 -!- rootlocus [~jolyonwhi@240218000001280102264afffe09eee2.ptr-ipv6.nicta.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:37:28 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:01 Is there some way, from elisp to add an entry to swank::*load-path* 03:38:03 ? 03:40:46 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-71-227-118-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:05 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:41:34 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:42:04 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.195] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:42:28 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:42:46 -!- Guest82464 [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 03:42:56 rootlocus [~rootlocus@research-remote.nicta.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:42:58 Hi [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has joined #lisp 03:43:00 rpg: oh yeah, the cross-module dependency border (: 03:43:23 -!- Hi is now known as Guest53496 03:44:42 -!- chopwood [~chopwood@c-24-63-111-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:45:09 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:45:45 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.80.126] has joined #lisp 03:47:21 antifuchs: slime-eval code that pushes something on swank::*load-path* ? 03:48:29 rpg: oh, no, your earlier comment about systems not triggering downstream dependents' recompiles 03:48:42 antifuchs: Oh, yeah, that. 03:49:06 IMHO, one of the weirdest parts in all of asdf 03:49:40 rpg: the slime maintainer has reverted a minimal asdf integration I've comitted and is proud that slime is free of anything asdf 03:50:31 attila_lendvai: that asdf/slime crossover is only accidental. rpg's slime question had nothing to do with asdf. 03:51:24 I know, just pointing out that slime is hostile to asdf, so he can strikethrough that... 03:51:35 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 03:51:50 attila_lendvai: I /think/ I can just push stuff onto swank::*load-path*; it's just taking me a little while to figure out how... 03:52:25 attila_lendvai: slime is hostile to external dependencies other than emacs and a bare lisp 03:52:32 antifuchs: I asked about that a long time ago, and someone on #lisp gave me such a reaming for suggesting that upstream changes should trigger downstream recompiles that I went away for a long time.... 03:52:52 rpg: haha ouch (: 03:53:01 said person claimed that programmers should know when their upstream API's have changed and when they haven't. 03:53:01 rpg: hope that wasn't me! (: 03:53:04 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:53:09 antifuchs: the integration in question was optional 03:53:15 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:53:15 well, yeah 03:53:21 antifuchs: nope, rest easy! The secret stays with me. 03:53:28 rpg: ((-: 03:53:32 I'm off for a while. Goodnight all! 03:53:44 rpg: yah, I think in the glorious quicklisp days, this should no longer be a concern (; 03:53:47 rpg: good night! 03:54:32 I'm going to sleep, too... good night! 03:55:40 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:56:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:57:59 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:59:07 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:59:22 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@pool-71-179-82-48.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adamvh] 04:04:00 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:11:46 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13:43 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:23 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.80.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:18:19 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.205] has joined #lisp 04:18:24 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:19:26 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.42] has joined #lisp 04:23:04 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:ddfc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:23:34 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Quit: rpg] 04:26:50 -!- QinGW [~wangqingw@60.247.26.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:26:58 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:28:20 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:29:43 QinGW [~wangqingw@60.247.26.3] has joined #lisp 04:33:52 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:35:27 enthymeme [~kraken@76.248.233.98] has joined #lisp 04:35:46 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 04:40:44 adamvh [~adamvh@pool-71-179-82-48.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:41:08 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:43:11 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 04:44:04 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:44:14 -!- jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:45:49 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:46:08 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:48:20 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:50:34 hope all of our .nz #lispers are ok 04:51:40 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52:39 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:54:18 Hmm. I thought that if I change an asd, I should use (asdf:find-system "system") to do the magic loading of the asd. It's not working. 04:54:24 clear-system works though. 04:55:09 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@pool-71-179-82-48.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adamvh] 04:55:56 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:57:33 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 04:58:33 and if you do a find-system after that? 05:00:24 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:01:06 Well, no, that doesn't work. I reload the asd then. 05:03:24 Should there be only one asdf:defystem per asd file? 05:05:55 -!- win2000user [user@nx01.darkholdings.com] has left #lisp 05:07:54 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 05:09:39 there's only one that you can use via find-system 05:09:44 (externally) 05:10:38 So basically, if I want to "reload" a system, I need to clear-system on those systems and then load the asd. 05:11:20 And find-system won't do it's magic on any other systems defined in the asd. 05:11:25 slime has a hack to reload a system 05:11:54 oh wait, you want just to reload an asdf? 05:11:59 err, .asd file? 05:13:50 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14:00 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.219] has joined #lisp 05:14:18 Yes, reload an asd file to redefine all the systems. 05:14:27 (Because I messed up.) 05:18:53 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@research-remote.nicta.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:19:28 slyrus: I guess you must be watching earthquakes fairly closely. 05:20:12 we get our fair share at home, although I'm in Colorado at the moment -- I don't think they're frequent here 05:23:58 SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001c1122940c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:11 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001c1122940c.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:26:15 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:27:03 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 05:30:09 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:31:22 szergling [~tyc20@193.243.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 05:31:54 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:32:03 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 05:32:30 -!- churib [~churib@95.156.194.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:32:43 super` [~super_@pool-173-65-48-189.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:16 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:37:03 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 05:39:29 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:39:57 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 05:40:17 -!- szergling [~tyc20@193.243.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:41:46 hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-139-207.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:41:49 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:42:03 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:20 szergling [~tyc20@193.243.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 05:43:49 gko [~gko@111.82.119.181] has joined #lisp 05:44:32 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 05:45:31 Having to explicitly clear-system before reloading an asd is really annoying. 05:45:41 churib [~churib@95.156.194.105] has joined #lisp 05:46:29 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:47:03 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 05:47:32 sounds like an easy fix 05:48:01 I ran into something that sounds similar to this just today actually (or was it yesterday?) 05:48:27 just discovered clear-system as well 05:48:43 And what's the easy fix? 05:51:45 rtoym: have the asdf system loading infrastructure call clear-system if necessary? 05:52:56 You mean for me to do it, instead of being part of (some future new version) of asdf? 05:54:29 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has joined #lisp 05:54:36 jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:56:11 no, I mean have some future version of ASDF do it 05:56:27 That would be nice. 05:57:00 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.253.148.80] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 05:58:19 rootlocus [~rootlocus@research-remote.nicta.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:58:26 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has quit [Client Quit] 05:58:34 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has joined #lisp 06:02:11 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-xpjvvunehrmvgqud] has joined #lisp 06:05:33 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 06:07:48 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:08:04 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:08:54 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 06:09:15 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has joined #lisp 06:09:22 -!- szergling [~tyc20@193.243.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has left #lisp 06:10:15 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:16:17 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 06:16:53 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 06:19:44 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:22:41 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 06:23:34 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 06:23:34 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 06:23:34 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 06:24:12 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-88-52.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 06:25:08 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 06:25:51 nostoi [~nostoi@204.Red-79-150-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 06:26:44 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:27:05 Liera [~Liera@123.21.157.152] has joined #lisp 06:31:12 flip214 [~marek@h081217084238.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 06:31:12 -!- flip214 [~marek@h081217084238.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Changing host] 06:31:12 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 06:35:04 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 06:38:18 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 06:40:16 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 06:41:09 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:41:19 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:41:55 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:21 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:43:04 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:43:18 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 06:51:55 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-139-207.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:52:43 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 06:52:43 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@research-remote.nicta.com.au] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.50.1] 06:55:19 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:56:49 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@204.Red-79-150-169.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 06:57:01 -!- sykopomp [~user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:39 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:59:38 Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:04:07 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:05:53 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 07:06:42 If I have just loaded a file full of defparameter forms, is there any way to find out what top-level symbols were bound? 07:06:56 Short of parsing the file all over again.. 07:08:04 clhs do-all-symbols 07:09:52 -!- pers [~user@188.sub-75-193-77.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:10:24 aha! 07:11:00 So, create temp package, load into package, iterate over symbols in package.. 07:11:19 et viola 07:12:34 I think you meant voilį 07:13:36 stirfoo [~user@c-98-208-24-228.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:14:26 voilą rather 07:14:40 -!- stirfoo [~user@c-98-208-24-228.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #lisp 07:15:16 comme ce, comme ca (without modifiers and probably misspelled) 07:15:29 indeed 07:15:56 grovelling apologies to all francophones. 07:16:14 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 07:18:31 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:18:59 good morning 07:19:00 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 07:20:12 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 07:20:44 greaver [~jo@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 07:22:34 Let's say I have a function: (defun f (a b c &key (p nil) ...) where a, b and c are expected to be keywords, do I have a way to avoid (f nil nil nil :p 3) to say (f :p 3) without an error? 07:22:54 no 07:23:33 stassats: OK 07:24:29 -!- smithzv [~smithzv@c-71-237-75-86.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:24:45 Oh, wrong question, it should be: Let's say I have a function: (defun f (&optional (a nil) (b nil) (c nil) &key (p nil) ...) where a, b and c are expected to be keywords, do I have a way to avoid (f nil nil nil :p 3) to say (f :p 3) without an error? 07:24:55 no 07:25:10 don't mix &optional and &key 07:25:12 ever 07:25:39 <_3b> (defun f (&rest r) (parse-r-yourself r) ...)? 07:25:50 gko: Why do you want this interface? 07:25:54 -!- trebor_home [~email@dslb-088-069-140-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:26:15 smithzv [~smithzv@c-71-237-75-86.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:26:23 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-cqgkokkztlgfygtb] has joined #lisp 07:28:26 Zhivago: have some functions where a, b and c indicates nodes where a is a parent of b and b a parent of c, so I may want (f 'a), (f 'a 'b) or (f 'a 'b 'c)... 07:28:38 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-005-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:28:42 and (f) means whole tree. 07:29:26 and the key options would be for other stuff with some default values 07:29:48 basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-005-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:29:57 Davsebamse [~das@office.ipvision.dk] has joined #lisp 07:30:07 -!- adu [~ajr@softbank220043138128.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:30:34 For the moment, I just deal by checking values of a, b, c to make (f :p 3) meaning what I want to mean, but I know it smells. 07:31:02 Except if I don't use keywords for a, b and c... 07:32:41 But I don't want to use strings, and I don't want to deal with symbols+packages issues... 07:33:05 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-77-24.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:33:14 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:34:20 -!- Guest53496 [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:34:39 chitech [~xxx@82.143.212.234] has joined #lisp 07:36:00 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-024-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:37:07 oh please, don't do that 07:38:02 I may remove &optional with: :a, :b and :c as keys... 07:39:13 or a mandatory list... 07:40:18 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-51-60.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:40 daniel__ [~daniel@p5B326C90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:43:23 malbertife [~marcoalbe@bl11-212-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 07:44:07 gko: use something like (defun f (opt &optional a b c) ...), and use destructuring-bind or similar to get the keywords out of opt 07:44:51 then (f ()) is the whole-tree call, and (f (:key arg) 'a) is a subtree 07:45:20 or, if you really want (f) to work, use *special-vars* instead of keywords 07:45:21 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5B327ECE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:45:42 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:45:53 *_3b* would have gone the other way, put the a,b,c in a single arg as a list 07:46:34 leo2007 [~leo@117.28.20.51] has joined #lisp 07:49:40 hello lispers 07:49:48 flip214: thanks for the suggestions... I'll check what works best... 07:50:36 pmd` [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:ddfc] has joined #lisp 07:59:28 -!- The_Fellow2 [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:01:04 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.63.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:01:58 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-zfenpcdjfgqrynkn] has joined #lisp 08:01:58 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-zfenpcdjfgqrynkn] has quit [Changing host] 08:01:58 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 08:02:08 "&key a b c p" is the best way 08:02:23 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:03:02 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.193] has joined #lisp 08:05:24 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:05:59 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-cqgkokkztlgfygtb] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:06:13 The_Fellow1 [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has joined #lisp 08:06:58 stassats: more explicit... 08:06:59 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 08:08:24 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-ulvjyhuobebmdqun] has joined #lisp 08:11:14 -!- beach [~user@116.118.6.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:11:19 -!- The_Fellow1 [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:13:24 malbertife_ [~marcoalbe@bl11-212-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 08:13:24 -!- malbertife [~marcoalbe@bl11-212-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:13:25 -!- malbertife_ is now known as malbertife 08:19:17 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:19:24 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:54 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:24:11 so now, I need a way to portably get a files last modified time. I bet this is going to be one of those "easy" things Lisp makes hard.. 08:24:17 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:24:49 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 08:27:45 how portable does it need to be? 08:28:18 The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has joined #lisp 08:28:43 <_3b> file-write-date? 08:28:44 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 08:30:58 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 08:32:09 aerique [euqirea@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 08:33:33 hi ppl 08:34:04 ZabaQ: not every system even keeps that info so it's not that easy 08:34:41 ZabaQ: if you're happy restricting yourself to posix semantics, wrapping stat with cffi is fairly easy 08:34:52 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-3.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:35:21 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-119-163.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:35:28 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:36:50 what's wrong with file-write-date? 08:37:29 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA31D0B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Quit: sleep] 08:37:59 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:38:46 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-122-250.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:38:46 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 08:40:28 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:41:29 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:41:53 is it possible to set a package nickname after it's already created? 08:42:29 dkasak [~dkasak@93-138-118-235.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 08:42:33 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@76.248.233.98] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 08:42:36 trying to nickname sb-md5: into plain md5: for compatibility 08:42:36 clhs rename-package 08:43:44 hmm, ok. Should work as sb-md5 probably isn't locked or intrinsic in any way 08:44:49 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45:17 aha. file-write-date should be fine.. 08:45:28 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:34 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:46:00 as long as there are no implementations where it simply returns nil 08:46:44 it's always easy not to use them 08:47:15 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-ulvjyhuobebmdqun] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:47:16 cool: (rename-package '#:sb-md5 '#:sb-md5 '(#:md5)) 08:47:23 there's also the distinction between modification of the file contents and of its metadata 08:50:14 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:50:28 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 08:53:18 trebor_dki 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I think we're using clonsigna. So, "thanks" from us, too. 12:48:27 ah nice to know that someone use it :) 12:48:36 urandom__ [~user@p548A6A8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #lisp 12:50:44 _8david`: problems with mel ? 12:51:18 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-139-207.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:52:30 fe[nl]ix, clonsigna is something more high level 12:53:00 <_8david`> ITYM low level (?) 12:53:34 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:03 BlankVer1e [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 12:54:07 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:10 mmm... well both, I was referring to the final output 12:55:25 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 12:55:54 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:56:40 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:32 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 12:57:59 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:58:37 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:00:45 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 13:01:19 -!- BlankVer1e [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:01:27 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 13:02:31 <_8david`> Xach: hmm, l1sp.org knows cl/~[ but not cl/~P -- is that right or am I doing it wrong? 13:03:10 -!- ehu [~ehuels@194.48.133.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03:13 _8david`: it knows ~p, sorry. 13:03:23 I'll update the index to be case-insensitive. 13:03:33 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:35 <_8david`> ah. Thanks. 13:04:05 beach [~user@116.118.6.174] has joined #lisp 13:04:50 Good evening everyone! 13:04:59 mvilleneuve: Plan a trip to ELS in Hamburg. 13:06:04 is that an order, Sir ? 13:06:16 Absolutely! 13:06:40 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:06:44 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:35 :D 13:08:24 helllo beach 13:08:48 -l 13:08:49 Hey beach 13:09:12 kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 13:10:55 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:11:58 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 13:12:37 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-24-59-205-231.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:13:25 I could plan to be at ELS too, and take with me my wife and daughter for an holyday in Hamburg ... 13:14:18 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-142-19.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 13:14:24 kiuma: That's an excellent idea! 13:14:46 yep 13:14:56 and I need a vacation too :) 13:15:04 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:15:08 beach: Are you going to ELS? 13:15:57 sellout: I am a bit too far away this time, which is why my co-author has to go. 13:16:45 sellout: and you ? 13:16:57 fe[nl]ix: I am :) 13:17:21 cool 13:18:28 mega1 [~user@catv4E5C915D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 13:18:31 fe[nl]ix: You? 13:18:57 There is very little activity on http://lanyrd.com/2011/4th-european-lisp-symposium/ :) 13:19:08 myu2 [~myu2@x108121.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 13:20:47 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-161-80.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:22:14 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.69] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 13:22:20 lo 13:22:30 milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 13:23:13 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has left #lisp 13:23:29 sellout: I'll be there 13:23:37 -!- rien is now known as rien|home 13:25:26 rvirding [~chatzilla@c-8b92e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 13:25:28 hello homie 13:25:28 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A417.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:27:27 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@1x-193-157-202-191.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:31:15 LiamH [~healy@129-2-135-168.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #lisp 13:31:38 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 13:32:17 LiamH1 [~healy@129-2-135-168.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #lisp 13:32:23 MoALTz [~no@92.9.79.177] has joined #lisp 13:32:28 jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:32:35 -!- LiamH [~healy@129-2-135-168.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 13:32:48 -!- LiamH1 is now known as LiamH 13:34:26 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:35:24 LiamH1 [~healy@129-2-135-168.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #lisp 13:35:24 -!- LiamH [~healy@129-2-135-168.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:54 -!- LiamH1 [~healy@129-2-135-168.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 13:36:57 LiamH [~healy@129-2-135-168.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #lisp 13:38:23 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 13:39:34 confounds [~confounds@CPE0013f7f0bd88-CM0013f7f0bd84.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 13:47:22 xan_ [~xan@215.61.17.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:49:59 adamvh [~adamvh@pool-71-179-82-48.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:53 Xach: how can i access the lisp.org cl/~p thing? it seems interesting 13:52:48 pmd: see http://l1sp.org/ for info 13:53:06 Xach: ha, thanks :) (not (eql #\1 #\i)) 13:56:44 Xach: that reminds me a bit of the current visual studio 2010 help system, which is an indexer app with a local webserver. perhaps the l1sp.org system could be turned into something similar for offline use, because it's faster and can be used when one loses internet connection. 13:57:17 i may be just daydreaming, though. i don't like vs'10 help system that much, if it wasn't for h3viewer... 13:58:06 milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 13:58:48 i have a local copy of clhs which i view by C-c C-d h in emacs-w3m 14:00:51 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 14:04:10 bhyde [~user@50.10.201.28] has joined #lisp 14:06:16 -!- gko [~gko@111.82.119.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07:22 stassats: i have th clhs in info format. :) 14:07:42 a draft? 14:08:41 yeah. i'd found a buggy script a while ago that shifted the clhs to the info format. with a little tweaking i got it working. 14:09:01 it's not hyper enough 14:09:14 stassats: can you me how to look up ~[ ? Because I try C-c C-d h ~[, but it said no match 14:09:30 Liera: that's C-c C-d ~ 14:09:49 sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-79-127.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has joined #lisp 14:09:55 and C-c C-d # for reader macors 14:10:37 stassats: thank you 14:11:20 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 14:11:21 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 14:11:21 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 14:12:10 krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has joined #lisp 14:12:26 gko [~gko@114-136-248-136.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:12 -!- rien|wor` is now known as rien 14:14:12 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.200.84] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:33 gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.200.84] has joined #lisp 14:15:15 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-xpjvvunehrmvgqud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:20:23 RaceCondition [~erik@82.131.60.32.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 14:22:49 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-68-38-142-34.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:18 -!- LiamH [~healy@129-2-135-168.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:25:20 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:26:04 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-142-19.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:27:24 -!- gko [~gko@114-136-248-136.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:42 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@173-30-221-186.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:35:21 Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has joined #lisp 14:38:53 ehu [~ehuels@194.48.133.8] has joined #lisp 14:40:16 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:40:42 Agari [~Agari@180.Red-81-33-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:22 -!- gju [~gju@big1.hrz.fh-zwickau.de] has left #lisp 14:43:27 fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-166-186.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 14:43:54 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 14:44:49 benny [~benny@i577A3333.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:44:51 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@74.209.54.217] has joined #lisp 14:45:39 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:53 j_king: there's also gcl's info 14:46:47 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:47:44 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 14:49:49 udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-crmdzxwxndmfqthl] has joined #lisp 14:49:50 leo2007 [~leo@117.28.20.51] has joined #lisp 14:49:57 tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has joined #lisp 14:50:45 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-214-254.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 14:51:04 adu [~ajr@softbank220043139062.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:31 -!- longshot [~longshot@216.131.74.24] has quit [Quit: longshot] 14:53:35 fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 14:54:48 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:54:49 ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:31 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 14:56:15 kamikaza [~kamikaza@80.91.125.58] has joined #lisp 14:56:29 -!- ohih0wru [~andrei@87.226.100.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:58 pers [~user@203.sub-75-193-198.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 14:59:20 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:00:28 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-166-186.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:00:48 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:01:14 -!- leo2007 [~leo@117.28.20.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:04:42 malbertife [~marcoalbe@193.136.122.17] has joined #lisp 15:05:07 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:05:25 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:05:43 -!- malbertife [~marcoalbe@193.136.122.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:11 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@67-194-79-127.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:06:11 tsuru [~charlie@adsl-179-29-10.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:26 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@116.21.200.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:45 malbertife [~marcoalbe@193.136.122.17] has joined #lisp 15:06:58 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:28 -!- Jabberwockey [~quassel@83.151.30.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:08:58 Jabberwockey [~quassel@83.151.30.10] has joined #lisp 15:09:09 dkasak_ [~dkasak@93-138-55-221.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:09:54 tcr1: ping 15:10:10 peng! 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My heuristics are obviously broken. Thanks! 15:29:26 hi 15:29:43 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.197] has joined #lisp 15:29:51 hiya attila 15:30:14 ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has joined #lisp 15:30:23 damn, cloak just had to be GPLed >_> 15:31:15 how do stack groups handle dynamic extent allocation? 15:31:39 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@183.106.96.22] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:32:00 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 15:33:04 setmeaway [setmeaway3@183.106.96.22] has joined #lisp 15:33:53 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has quit [Client Quit] 15:34:06 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@183.106.96.22] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:34:23 drl [~drl@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 15:39:52 kami`: if you wanted to ask something the last time, then now I'll be around for the next few hours... 15:40:17 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-209-251.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 15:40:21 -!- sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:33 sellout [~Adium@gw3.tacwap.org] has joined #lisp 15:41:43 redline6561 [~user@gate-22.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 15:41:56 -!- bhyde [~user@50.10.201.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:47:12 -!- Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 15:47:14 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 15:49:09 gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has joined #lisp 15:50:11 quit 15:50:16 -!- drl [~drl@110.139.230.142] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 15:51:29 drl [~lat@110.139.230.142] has joined #lisp 15:51:29 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-84-227-25-16.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:18 Hi everyone! 15:54:55 Is it necessary to use declaim with optimize? 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My Internet connection isn't working properly. 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Any good recommendations for projects with good tests? 18:35:13 fare-utils has simple tests. 18:35:45 Ok, I'll check that. Babel also seems to have some interesting stuff like timing things 18:35:53 grep stefil cl/**/*.asd 18:36:16 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:36 Well it seems those two, fare-matcher, scribble, local-time, stefil and ucw are the only installed quicklisp systems using stefil 18:37:41 Thanks 18:38:42 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-249-188.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:03 And a bunch of forks from github user gonzoijve of the other Lisp packages I have sources for 18:39:24 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39:47 Sometimes being a Mac user makes you forget the power of command line... I searched using Finder, but got too many results. :-) 18:39:57 peterhil: hu.dwim.perec has many stefil tests 18:40:25 Thanks 18:41:19 Oh cool, another persistence library 18:42:23 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:04 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A417.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:43:47 attila_lendvai: There is a file called hu.dwim.stefil/documentation/stefil.lisp which seems to refer to some book and user manual. Is that a work in progress? 18:44:30 peterhil: most of our doc is work-in-progress... :) 18:44:53 carlocci [~nes@93.37.177.79] has joined #lisp 18:45:14 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:45:28 It would be good, if there was some comment about that in the file... And maybe a pointer to the old documentation and short listing of systems using stefil extensively 18:45:34 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-39-6-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:35 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BD55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:18 I usually invest the needed effort in the codebase... 18:48:32 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:51:44 -!- gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:52:11 Maybe I update the cliki info at least to give some pointers when I read some of the tests on those packages 18:53:39 pnq [~nick@host-247.ssu.portsmouth.oh.us] has joined #lisp 18:55:38 -!- BlankVer1e [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:56:09 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:59:53 -!- sacho [~sacho@87-126-7-67.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:33 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:05 huehnts [~huehnts@static.213-239-210-158.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 19:02:55 -!- marcel_r [~chatzilla@187.106.158.9] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 19:03:38 marcel_r [~chatzilla@187.106.158.9] has joined #lisp 19:03:44 -!- marcel_r [~chatzilla@187.106.158.9] has left #lisp 19:04:00 jesusito [~user@220.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 19:04:35 hello lispers! 19:05:13 wrt `cl:last' spec says, "The consequences are undefined if LIST is a circular list." 19:06:25 how do the different implementations handle this? 19:07:24 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:07:40 they make dragons emerge from either your left or right nostril! (: 19:07:43 mbrezu [~user@178.156.179.144] has joined #lisp 19:07:57 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 19:08:35 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:08:50 antifuchs: indeed. it certainly making checking for dotted lists hairier. 19:09:27 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 19:09:33 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:01 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 19:12:10 peterhil: that's very welcome! 19:12:25 mon_key, ABCL and CCL run into an infinite loop (I don't know about other implementations). 19:13:46 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:13:56 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 19:13:59 dlowe: are you still the maintainer of LOCAL-TIME? If so, would you mind checking http://paste.lisp.org/display/119885#7....it's right from rme @ Clozure :) 19:14:20 CCL does return an error when using 'length' though, while ABCL also runs into an infinite loop. 19:14:33 Agari: FWIW did `slime-interrupt' instead of letting SBCL blow the stack. 19:14:40 hargettp: looking 19:14:53 dlowe: ty :) 19:15:01 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 19:15:19 ugh. 19:15:25 I should just require CFFI :p 19:15:31 lol 19:16:00 well, at least the fix in #7 still uses CCL's FFI infrastructure, but shouldn't trigger the LispWorks reader bug with CCL's #_ syntax 19:16:32 ofc, one more alternative is actually not to do anything special for CCL in general....just use CCL's implementation of get-universal-time 19:16:37 pavelludiq_ [~quassel@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 19:16:41 mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:17:05 but #7 stays true to the spirit of the code in LOCAL-TIME...safely, it appears 19:17:38 sucks to sacrifice subsecond resolution 19:17:43 Agari: looks like SBCL is infinite too.. 19:18:02 dlowe: yes. #7 would keep that 19:18:13 wolgo [noige@otaku.freeshell.org] has joined #lisp 19:18:22 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:18:22 mon_key: did you wait infinite amount of time? 19:18:25 yeah, ok. I'll integrate that in 19:18:54 dlowe: awesome! thanks much...fwiw, I'd be happy to validate on LW PE & CCL for Mac tonight...if you like 19:19:00 looks pretty clean as is tho 19:19:39 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:19:48 stassats: relative to what? 19:20:02 hargettp: it's a welcome change to the current insanity 19:20:21 Blkt [~user@93-33-138-64.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 19:20:21 red1ynx [~red1ynx@178.120.64.219] has joined #lisp 19:20:24 dlowe: no doubt! lol...my head hurt trying to read that code...or explain my problem to others :) 19:20:24 Srpayzor` [~user@82.159.115.173.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 19:20:40 dlowe: my condolences...and congratulations...for having to figure that out in the first place :) 19:20:49 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:24 -!- pavelludiq_ [~quassel@87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:31 good evening everyone 19:21:33 Ragnaroek [5b0c5157@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.12.81.87] has joined #lisp 19:22:40 -!- Srpayzor [~user@82.159.115.173.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:23:09 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:24:42 -!- fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:25:17 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host55-120-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:27:55 hargettp: do you know if the patch runs under windows? 19:28:05 it looks like it might 19:28:16 dlowe: no I do not. I only have access to Mac/Linux implementations 19:28:20 Wolong [~wolong@95.191.55.38] has joined #lisp 19:28:24 ok, I'll leave as-is, then 19:29:52 dlowe: you mean leave the windows portion of that code untouched? Actually, that makes sense, since gettimeofday is probably not available on Windows 19:30:18 that call is pretty specific to *nix, IIRC 19:30:54 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 19:31:33 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:58 republican_devil [~gschuette@144.142.12.78] has joined #lisp 19:32:55 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:33:23 -!- tcleva_ [bb12a891@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.18.168.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:33:59 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:36:24 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 19:36:49 attila_lendvai: Who originally wrote stefil? 19:38:18 quodlibetor [~user@user-12lc7vm.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 19:39:02 Nevermind, looking at the old stefil package it seems they didn't want their names known... 19:40:07 peterhil: there is no cabal. 19:40:52 You mean it's not written in Haskell? 19:41:05 dlowe: ooh...did you use annotation #6 with make-record or #7 with external-call? It's #7 that does NOT cause a leak :) 19:41:06 :-) 19:41:49 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:43:05 Dranik [~dim@178.154.78.247] has joined #lisp 19:43:23 peterhil: mostly me, brainstorming with my colleague levente. (check the darcs repo history, the absolute reference... :) 19:43:36 hargettp: #7 19:43:50 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483BD55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:54 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BD55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:57 hargettp: it's up as local-time-1.0.2 19:44:26 -!- krfs [~jonata@189-16-43-233.cte.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:24 dlowe: ah. that's the code for #6 in the paste...the one that is from RME is #7: http://paste.lisp.org/display/119885#7 19:45:37 the code in local-time-1.0.2 uses make-record, and causes a leak :) 19:46:29 -!- astoon [~astoon@94.25.195.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:38 1.0.3 coming up :p 19:47:41 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 19:47:46 I forgot to save, apparently 19:48:09 -!- Dranik [~dim@178.154.78.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:48:27 Notes and comments? http://www.cliki.net/Stefil 19:48:35 lol! 1.0.2 looks like the code I sent last night via email...perhaps now the shortest-lived LOCAL-TIME release? :) 19:48:50 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:49:06 Dranik [~dim@178.154.78.247] has joined #lisp 19:49:23 probably 19:49:31 *dlowe* wishes you'd sent a darcs patch. 19:49:36 -!- Dranik [~dim@178.154.78.247] has left #lisp 19:49:40 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:02 ehu [~ehuels@194.48.133.8] has joined #lisp 19:50:26 *hargettp* regrets not having darcs on this machine...and only having it on the machine with the leaky patch 19:50:45 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-119-163.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:50:51 -!- ineiros_ [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:50:52 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 19:51:06 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-119-163.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:51:24 ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 19:51:39 *hargettp* is busy running sudo apt-get install darcs # for future use 19:54:11 gozoner [~ebg@ebg-10004083621.jpl.nasa.gov] has joined #lisp 19:54:44 |rgs| [~hujvpalto@109-184-40-163.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has joined #lisp 19:56:33 hargettp: good luck. 19:57:03 pjb: ty, but it's now installed :) 19:57:04 -!- c2hk [~hujvpalto@109-184-40-163.dynamic.mts-nn.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:57:12 hargettp: ok, it's up as 1.0.3 :p 19:57:41 -!- rabite [~rabite@83.169.3.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:58:10 dlowe: much, much appreciated....ty! Now I can sort out portability issues in my own packages :) 19:58:31 rabite [~rabite@4chan.fm] has joined #lisp 19:58:46 -!- mega1 [~user@catv4E5C915D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:55 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@207.189.195.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:59:04 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-116-48.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:59:18 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-116-48.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 19:59:29 -!- hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:56 *peterhil* starts writing tests to get this synthesis enginge thing ported to Lisp 20:01:21 hramrach_ [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/hramrach] has joined #lisp 20:03:28 -!- Agari [~Agari@173.Red-79-150-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:03:56 astoon [~astoon@94.25.195.62] has joined #lisp 20:04:16 -!- schmrkc [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:01 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-248-233-98.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: co'o. Off to a job interview!] 20:06:04 schmrkc [~marcus@c83-254-196-92.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:06:04 -!- schmrkc [~marcus@c83-254-196-92.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Changing host] 20:06:04 schmrkc [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 20:06:31 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 20:07:37 Bronsa [~brace@host55-120-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:07:56 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host55-120-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:15 Bronsa [~brace@host55-120-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:09:44 -!- republican_devil is now known as capitalist_devil 20:10:34 Agari [~Agari@173.Red-79-150-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:43 -!- Harag [~Harag@41.56.23.64] has left #lisp 20:10:46 Howdy, gavino. 20:14:44 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp2364.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 20:16:42 Taggnostr3 [~x@dyn57-215.yok.fi] has joined #lisp 20:17:09 -!- Taggnostr2 [~x@dyn57-215.yok.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:24 peterhil: Stefil web page looks to have character encoding bugs. 20:17:27 -!- thorstadt [~ryan@li172-124.members.linode.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:19:20 hello mr Beane 20:21:08 bhattara [~bhattara@infao6901.rg1.mpi-sb.mpg.de] has joined #lisp 20:21:51 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-3.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:23:15 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:29 mbrezu` [~user@178.156.179.144] has joined #lisp 20:23:33 Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:23:57 hi, anybody there worked sometime in implementation of first order logic formula in lisp? i am in serious need of help 20:24:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-64.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 20:24:14 Dranik [~dim@178.154.78.247] has joined #lisp 20:24:15 -!- Dranik [~dim@178.154.78.247] has left #lisp 20:24:23 -!- mbrezu [~user@178.156.179.144] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:26 -!- reb```` [~user@nat/google/x-onsrktswnfjwenxu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:00 bhattara: take a look at this: 20:28:00 http://www.mathkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/math-logic/2597/Dan-s-first-attempt-at-a-LISP-based-artificial-symbolic-language 20:28:00 http://www.mathkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/math-logic/2599/Dansassertions-lsip 20:28:00 http://www.mathkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/math-logic/2598/Dansrules-lsip 20:29:01 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 20:29:41 milkpost_ [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff97c1.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 20:31:25 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff97c1.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:31:28 capitalist_devil, were you anybody well known here before you became republican_devil and then capitalist_devil? 20:31:36 mrnex2010 [~juanw@evdomip-203-90-1.iusacell.net] has joined #lisp 20:31:45 pattern, thanks, i am not showing my laziness to go through pages. but i have a problem and needs to be solved soon. Have you ever done implemented some first order logic formula, so that i can ask you some question? 20:32:34 bhyde [~user@c-66-30-115-134.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:28 -!- astoon [~astoon@94.25.195.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:14 JuanDaugherty: http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=gavino+lisp&btnG=Search&sitesearch=groups.google.com 20:35:45 -!- capitalist_devil is now known as gavino_himself 20:35:47 yes 20:36:00 oh shit 20:36:22 *JuanDaugherty* stepped in it. 20:36:22 this sjaaman guy is pissing me off, first chicken now netbsd ban 20:36:32 kent bex 20:38:04 bhattara: sorry.. i never have.. and i'm a beginner at lisp anyway 20:38:04 bhattara: but you should ask your question anyway 20:38:04 someone else here might help 20:38:04 bhattara: the general rule on irc is: "don't ask to ask. just ask!" 20:38:04 brown [~user@nat/google/session] has joined #lisp 20:38:05 -!- brown [~user@nat/google/session] has quit [Changing host] 20:38:05 brown [~user@nat/google/x-btdiacpxgtimtxma] has joined #lisp 20:38:06 -!- brown is now known as reb 20:38:13 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 20:39:14 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 20:41:07 -!- prip [~foo@host212-129-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:41:35 francogrex [~user@109.130.137.237] has joined #lisp 20:41:49 -!- ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- red1ynx [~red1ynx@178.120.64.219] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- mrnex2010 [~juanw@evdomip-203-90-1.iusacell.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.225] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- Guest2952 [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- daniel__ [~daniel@p5B326C90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-005-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:49 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- rasterbar [~rasterbar@unaffiliated/rasterbar] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- keyvan [~keyvan@ip68-5-13-232.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- duko [~cdepauw@bootes.dreamhost.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.64.211.191] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- christoph [~user@oteiza.siccegge.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- Dodek [am291698@students.mimuw.edu.pl] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:50 -!- [df] [~df@163.8.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- LittleQNCCU [~littleq@dream.cs.nccu.edu.tw] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- xristos_ [~x@2001:470:8859:cafe:20c:29ff:fe47:788] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-snhqnvtgpujhkgdg] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- Xantoz [~hejhej@c83-251-227-152.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- Borbus [borbus@borbus.kicks-ass.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:51 -!- PissedNumlock [~resteven@igwe32.vub.ac.be] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- mouflon [skajohan@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- andreer [andreer@flode.pvv.ntnu.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- tic [~tic@c83-249-193-119.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- Zahl [~kenneth@lnx101.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- pok_ [~pok@tarrant.klingenberg.no] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:41:52 -!- cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 20:44:05 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053001032.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:45:59 Hi, i have a problem here http://pastie.org/1595347. Looking for some kind of help. 20:46:27 tcr: herep 20:47:00 bhattara: 1) use lisppaste 2) indent properly 20:47:54 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 20:49:37 and 3) try yourself to implement it in cl and then ask for help when you get blocked 20:50:16 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@pool-71-179-82-48.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51:49 chitech` [~xxx@85.218.156.170] has joined #lisp 20:52:11 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:52:11 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 20:52:47 -!- chitech` [~xxx@85.218.156.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:51 francogrex, here is a sample of output that i have to get after the instantiation. And i have some additional question too http://pastie.org/1595362 20:53:50 minion: tell bhattara about PCL 20:54:18 chemuduguntar [~ravic@smtp.touchcut.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:25 *hargettp* sighs wistfully at the absence of minion 20:54:36 http://www.psg.com/~dlamkins/sl/contents.html 20:55:02 http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 20:55:05 prip [~foo@host129-120-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:55:25 again, it's not clear what you want and who knows what language and syntax you are using (and expecting us to guess). Maybe someone can help, sorry I can't. 20:55:34 stassats: ping 20:56:12 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Quit: Foo.] 20:56:55 tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-jxfnwfphsgfphxmu] has joined #lisp 20:57:54 chitech` [~xxx@82.143.212.234] has joined #lisp 20:59:15 -!- Bronsa [~brace@host55-120-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:00:09 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 mrnex2010 [~juanw@evdomip-203-90-1.iusacell.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 ineiros [~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 red1ynx [~red1ynx@178.120.64.219] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.225] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 Guest2952 [~Adium@he190123.dsl.fsr.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has joined #lisp 21:00:09 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my code too. To be precise, i am using a tool which is based on list processing but tool itself is written in C. So as to get the help i am joining this channel since i don't get any help from outside world. Eventhen i am pasting my code.I hope it will help you some. http://pastebin.com/5UHLGrR4 21:19:17 koning_robot: check out #= 21:19:21 clhs #= 21:19:31 koning_robot: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/02_dho.htm 21:19:32 *denied* 21:20:00 -!- ehu [~ehuels@194.48.133.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:20:16 e.g. is something like this guaranteed to blow any stack? http://paste.lisp.org/+2KIN 21:20:19 mon_key: Are there any rules? I can't think of any offhand. 21:20:39 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:20:44 Xach: multiple-values-limit is all i can find 21:20:54 mon_key: values-list's argument must be a proper list, I guess. 21:20:58 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:21:22 larva [~larvanitr@ec2-46-51-171-183.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 21:21:38 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Client Quit] 21:21:41 that should signal type-error :( 21:21:45 -!- antgreen` [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:22:49 antifuchs: thanks 21:23:46 reb```: Now the character encoding issue should be fixed on http://www.cliki.net/Stefil - it seems Safari sends UTF-8 characters with that editing form no matter what, so I used HTML entities instead. 21:23:56 oh, wait. did you ask about values or VALUES? (: 21:24:47 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:24:47 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:25:10 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:21 peterhil: yes, looks better now 21:25:33 antifuchs: don't understand? 21:25:48 antifuchs: the latter, i think. 21:25:50 oh 21:26:01 values as in multiple values, but it seems that #1=(values #1# 2 3) actually creates a circular multiple value structure (judging from sbcl's stack overflowage) 21:26:03 -!- milkpost_ is now known as milkpost 21:26:13 haha, wow 21:26:19 that's a pretty funny idea 21:26:41 it will result in (values (values (values (values ....))) 2 3) and so on to be evaluated 21:27:01 that's not circularity in values, it's just the regular circularity in evaluation 21:27:09 The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has joined #lisp 21:27:16 you can return circular values, of course 21:27:29 but they won't cause any trouble unless you walk/print/evaluate them 21:28:30 values-list should raise a type-error with a circular list, too 21:28:33 oh that's right, I thought it was actual circularity in values because the stack trace mentioned some functions to do with multiple values (but not in the problematic recurring part) 21:30:09 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:50 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: away!] 21:32:45 this is a long shot but here goes, can one use cffi to interact with a dynamic library (dll) that exports functions written in Fortran? 21:32:53 -!- Agari [~Agari@173.Red-79-150-125.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 21:33:43 francogrex: yes. you need to take care of the calling convention for certain parameters, though 21:36:12 francogrex: Some arguments to the Fortran library routines will be passed by pointer instead of by value. You just need to understand the calling conventions. 21:36:52 dlowe: so SBCL is in error? 21:37:48 ok. I'm used to c style dll 21:38:25 -!- timjstewart [~tims@159.182.183.6] has left #lisp 21:38:32 -!- basho__ [~basho__@dslb-188-108-005-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:53 clnet seems to be down 21:41:02 I'm pretty sure all arguments to a Fortran routine are passed by reference. Except, maybe the weird hidden ones from string arguments. 21:45:51 attila_lendvai: Seems to be working now. 21:47:07 well , first need to find the code behind those exported functions :( 21:47:31 francogrex: What functions are they? 21:48:27 *rtoym* assumes there's some documentation to the library otherwise no one would know how to use it. 21:48:32 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-214-254.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48:32 -!- m1ngus [~Adium@tunnel-32-135.vpn.uib.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48:32 -!- cnl [~cnl@78.31.74.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48:32 -!- Patzy [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:48:39 Patzy [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:49 fishertest, sample size etc... 21:49:04 -!- larva [~larvanitr@ec2-46-51-171-183.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 21:49:04 -!- reb [~user@nat/google/x-btdiacpxgtimtxma] has 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I'll buy that. 21:58:17 -!- RaceCondition [~erik@82.131.60.32.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:58:18 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:22 rvirding [~chatzilla@h134n5c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 21:58:30 adamvh [~adamvh@pool-71-179-82-48.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:37 -!- azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:50 azaq23 [~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23] has joined #lisp 21:59:37 asia sounds like quicklisp. But different. 21:59:48 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 21:59:56 There's already a replacement for quicklisp? 22:00:21 pjb: there have always been quicklisp-like projects 22:00:33 dlowe: The SBCL here does not signal a type-error for (values-list ) 22:00:41 calling any of them a "replacement" is only valid if they replace it (: 22:01:49 pjb: Don't know if it's newer or older. 22:01:50 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:02:19 just about a little younger 22:02:33 quicklisp was so awful! Hail to asia! 22:02:55 *antifuchs* vows never to start a land war there 22:02:55 The should not list indicates that it's not quicklisp: no upstream versions, no centralized database, no dependency analysis. 22:03:02 (or to go against a sicilian when death is on the line) 22:03:19 Haha. I need to watch that again. 22:03:41 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:43 you and everybody else (: 22:03:45 (me included) 22:03:57 antifuchs: I'm just ironizing. 22:04:02 ah 22:06:31 -!- adamvh [~adamvh@pool-71-179-82-48.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:07:34 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-162.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 22:07:54 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@78.sub-75-210-188.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:10:24 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A6A8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:09 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:11:42 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:12:41 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-88-52.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:14:02 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:14:02 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:14:02 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:03 oudeis [~oudeis@conffw.macrovision.com] has joined #lisp 22:14:03 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:04 RaceCondition [~erik@82.131.19.225.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 22:14:40 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:15:28 -!- ApeShot [~user@nom20307a.nomadic.ncsu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:00 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@conffw.macrovision.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:17:38 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:31 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip68-231-47-70.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:19:21 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.15/2009101909]] 22:19:49 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:20:37 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:39 jmckitrick [~user@adsl-176-181-200.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:43 oudeis [~oudeis@141.sub-75-208-217.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 22:20:57 rien [~user@rrcs-69-193-217-130.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:21:09 -!- jmckitrick [~user@adsl-176-181-200.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:21:09 sglinux [~sglinux@cm30.beta201.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 22:21:13 -!- kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:21:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@79-125.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:22:08 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:22:15 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:22:29 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-116-48.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:31 -!- pers [~user@203.sub-75-193-198.myvzw.com] has left #lisp 22:22:41 tcr [~tcr@217-162-131-235.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:24:53 -!- carbocalm [~user@38.99.165.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27:00 -!- chitech` [~xxx@82.143.212.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:08 beach [~user@116.118.6.174] has joined #lisp 22:28:15 Good morning everyone! 22:28:30 beach: 'evening 22:28:42 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 22:28:43 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159852.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:29:21 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:29:57 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483BD55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:30:21 good morning 22:30:31 apparently hunchentoot getting an update? 22:30:37 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-88-52.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 22:33:44 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 22:34:29 -!- leo2007 [~leo@117.28.20.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:36:23 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7540eb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:41 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:11 -!- tronador_ [~guille@190.145.89.146] has quit [Quit: tronador_] 22:39:00 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 22:40:05 heh... my luck. I fried the boot image while saving world, because before that VLM always bailed out on me before that :D 22:41:05 cheezus [~Adium@75-119-248-180.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 22:42:17 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@141.sub-75-208-217.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:44:04 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 22:44:06 at least you weren't about to make a joke about how it eventually failed to save the world in front of a (small) audience 22:44:55 most just save lisp and die. 22:48:39 oudeis [~oudeis@137.sub-69-99-146.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 22:50:21 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 22:51:16 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.237.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:51:25 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-151-136.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:51:27 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@81.193.38.201] has joined #lisp 22:51:54 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-64.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:00 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-151-136.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:08 i'm a little curious, anyone uses/used parenscript for production? 22:53:34 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-161-80.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:53:43 -!- cheezus [~Adium@75-119-248-180.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:54:02 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@137.sub-69-99-146.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:55:42 -!- hohum [dcorbe@apollo.corbe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:57:53 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-151-136.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:58:11 fantazo [~fantazo@178-191-173-77.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 23:02:07 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@70-35-37-146.static.wiline.com] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 23:05:12 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-138-64.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:06:12 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.137.237] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:06:55 -!- milkpost [~milkpost@dhcpw80ff97c1.dynamic.uiowa.edu] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:07:48 tronador_ [~guille@190.253.157.72] has joined #lisp 23:10:12 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:32 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #lisp 23:12:08 slyrus [~chatzilla@207.189.195.44] has joined #lisp 23:12:27 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:40 -!- bhyde [~user@c-66-30-115-134.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:13:09 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 23:13:27 The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has joined #lisp 23:13:40 oudeis [~oudeis@conffw.macrovision.com] has joined #lisp 23:14:33 afternoon 23:14:39 -!- rien is now known as rien|work 23:14:47 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@81.193.38.201] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:44 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:20:05 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:39 -!- jikanter [~jordan@66.146.192.40] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:21:22 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:22:12 -!- varjag_ [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:22:40 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 23:24:56 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:26:16 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 23:29:51 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 23:31:43 PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has joined #lisp 23:32:04 is there anyway to make a asdf package that will autoinstall a lib via quicklisp if its not already installed? 23:32:17 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #lisp 23:32:36 quicklisp rocks 23:33:48 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-88-52.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:12 mathrick: I'll clean up my VM and send it to you if you want :) 23:34:17 *p_l|backup* just got it working 23:34:23 PuffTheMagic: if you load the system with quicklisp, then it'll auto-install whatever is missing 23:34:42 PuffTheMagic: you could think of (ql:quickload ) as a very thin wrapper around (asdf:load-system) 23:36:06 -!- udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-hbxisiykwxgnstic] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:12 i know quickload will do that 23:36:26 well, there's your answer (: 23:36:26 that wasnt the question 23:36:39 thats not really an answer to the question 23:36:45 that is the only way to get ql to automatically install libraries 23:36:49 ^^ this the answer? (: 23:37:02 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@81.193.38.201] has joined #lisp 23:37:03 i have a asdf package that is not tracked by quicklisp, so i cant use quicklisp to load the main package 23:37:08 you can. 23:37:16 -!- quodlibetor [~user@user-12lc7vm.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:20 as long as asdf finds the system, you can quickload it. 23:37:31 it's a /very/ thin wrapper around asdf:load-system 23:38:18 I list directories with my own .asd files in ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/00-hacks.conf 23:38:20 hmm 23:38:32 ya i have my asdf setup that way as well 23:38:35 (:directory "/Users/asf/Hacks/idna/") ; an example line 23:38:38 i didnt realize ql qould load it 23:38:50 sorry 23:38:53 and thanks 23:38:54 cool. so as long as asdf:find-system finds your system, ql will load it (: 23:38:55 no worries (: 23:39:02 it's not obvious that this works (-: 23:39:26 hmm 23:39:28 that didnt help 23:39:41 i load my package and i still get an error about a missing dep 23:39:53 -!- gavino_himself [~gschuette@144.142.12.78] has left #lisp 23:39:54 one that's in ql? 23:39:58 ya 23:40:08 must have forgot to add a dep 23:40:14 can you paste the error? 23:40:40 -!- The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:40:41 basically, ql traps the asdf:component-not-found error, and will attempt to install systems that it recognizes 23:40:58 so if you use ql:quickload to load the system, it should definitely load that missing system. 23:41:21 do i need to add the dep in the top level asdf file or can it be deeper in the tree? 23:41:37 TeMPOraL [~user@188.146.161.218.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 23:41:42 http://dpaste.com/439243/ 23:41:45 ^^ the error 23:41:46 you should be able to just put it in a module's :depends-on list 23:41:51 The_Fellow [~spider1@62.219.129.123] has joined #lisp 23:41:55 not sure about non-module components 23:41:59 that's a maybe (: 23:42:16 huh 23:42:17 hold on, maybe i messed up something when i deleted cl-json in an attempt to test this out 23:42:20 Error: The file #P"/home/ryan/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/cl-json-20101006-darcs/src/package.lisp" does not exist. 23:42:25 sounds like something else is broken 23:42:28 ah yeah. 23:42:40 (asdf:clear-source-registry) and (asdf:clear-system :cl-json) I think 23:43:34 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 23:43:43 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 23:44:55 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.193] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:45:22 antifuchs, got it working, all is good 23:45:47 yay 23:46:17 ljames [~ln@unaffiliated/ljames] has joined #lisp 23:46:25 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:46:39 Agari [~Agari@185.Red-79-152-234.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:05 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:47:26 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 23:50:52 nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has joined #lisp 23:50:52 -!- nefo [~nefo@2001:da8:200:900e:200:5efe:3b42:8f51] has quit [Changing host] 23:50:52 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 23:53:16 ale` [~user@109.255.54.142] has joined #lisp 23:54:28 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:58:10 p_l|backup: sounds good, yes :) 23:58:19 how big did it get? 23:59:23 wait, I'll check... cureently installing xfce because the stupid ubuntu didn't have packages for anything different and mixing such old one with debian might have weird consequences 23:59:37 why do you need xfce? 23:59:48 if it works, just launch a terminal in the xinit script