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[~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11:41 uhoh 03:11:48 i questioning me what about the C- keybinding to mark some text in emacs 03:12:01 it seems to that it doesn't work with slime 03:12:11 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:24 works for me. 03:12:48 ok, then is something wrong with my setup here 03:12:49 stanrifkin: what's your platform? windows, or linux with or without X11? 03:13:20 antifuchs: i tested it on windows 7 with emacs 23.2 and on scientific linux with emacs 21 03:13:36 hm. 03:13:45 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:14:01 I think by default, emacs doesn't show you a mark. could that be it? (-: 03:14:14 i wanted to know if it works for you....... 03:14:34 yeah, works ok for me in my emacs installation, but I never used lispbox 03:14:46 antifuchs: normally i shows mark but not for slime 03:14:53 huh, weird 03:15:17 (lispbox has been pretty outdated recently. you might be better off installing emacs and a binary snapshot of sbcl, and getting quicklisp) 03:17:17 ok, i'll go on 03:18:08 -!- m7d [~lriley@pool-71-102-212-31.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: m7d] 03:19:06 -!- retrry [~quassel@b4.vu.lt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20:25 jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:26:24 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-0-25.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 03:27:17 -!- stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:27:41 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-249-62.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:27:47 stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 03:28:45 is quicklisp an implementation or a pkging of sbcl? 03:29:47 neither 03:30:20 http://www.quicklisp.org/ 03:30:26 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:30:26 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 03:30:26 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 03:30:54 yeah, that's why I asked it was unclear from that (and googling) what implementation was being defaulted to if any 03:31:26 (as one would presume the "lispbox" concept implies) 03:32:04 quicklisp is not tied to an implementation and it doesn't install an implementation 03:32:31 i c, but what about lispbox? 03:33:30 I don't know anything about lispbox, except that people often come here to ask why they can't get it to work. 03:33:30 lol 03:33:40 heh 03:34:59 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:34 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 03:36:21 bandu [~coyotama@pool-71-164-234-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:37:30 ridip [~user@24-217-106-24.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:37:58 In there a simple way to selectively suppress the insertion of a newline after a close paren when using paredit? 03:37:59 tcr [~tcr@77-20-119-246-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 03:38:04 In=Is 03:38:09 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:39:27 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:39:53 Mine doesn't do that. That sounds odd. 03:40:20 ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 03:40:44 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:41:07 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:41 sounds like a platform line termination issue 03:42:16 My paredit.el has a timestamp of 11-23-2009, though. 03:42:22 It happens for example when typing the closing paren of the test in a cond, ie. (cond ((test value|) result) (...)), where | represents the cursor. 03:43:31 Oh, that makes a little more sense, I guess. 03:43:33 (paredit-version) yield 20 and installed automatically with the emacs PPA for Ubuntu 10.10. 03:43:55 if I want to run the quicklisp install from scratch, can I just rm -rf ~/quicklisp ? 03:44:45 Really English is my first language, I just can't type tonight. Maybe I shouldn't be trying to program. 03:45:49 ridip: I have version 21, but it looks like 22 might be the latest. 03:48:44 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48:59 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49:03 -!- stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:49:29 stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 03:50:14 -!- stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 03:50:17 rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 03:50:50 stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 03:50:50 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:53:06 rvncerr [~rvncerr@rvncerr.org] has joined #lisp 03:54:05 austinh: Thanks. That helped. It looks like both Emacs 23 and ELPA had the old beta 20 version. Version 22 has nicer bindings for this ) give paredit-close-round and M-) gives p-c-r-and-newline. 03:55:14 redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:40 -!- iwillig_ [~ivan@66.209.120.98] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:57:15 redline6` [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 03:57:26 -!- redline6` [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:58 timor [~timor@port-92-195-58-93.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 03:59:49 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-0-25.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:00:53 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:35 -!- redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:59 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:03:40 -!- csmax [~max@p5DE8F408.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:03:57 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:03:59 plage [~user@116.118.10.126] has joined #lisp 04:05:26 csmax [~max@p5790F0BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:13 G'day everyone! 04:07:34 Afternoon :) 04:07:38 Good night 04:08:59 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-117-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:09:00 myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:09:16 morning DarthShrine 04:09:20 morning plage 04:09:24 schmx! 04:09:27 DarthShrine! 04:09:29 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-51-88.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:09:33 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-117-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:36 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 04:09:42 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Quit: so enjoy your night out] 04:09:58 -!- ridip [~user@24-217-106-24.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:10:02 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-20-119-246-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:11:02 -!- stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:11:09 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-65-65.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:11:35 stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 04:11:40 *schmx* is considering the crazy business of implementing yet another CL. 04:12:00 why would you do that? 04:12:18 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 04:12:54 -!- Alfa|WERK [~AlfaWolph@c-75-66-60-146.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:13:16 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has joined #lisp 04:13:35 It'd be nice to have one running on the .net clr (: 04:13:59 oh 04:14:23 You could also just take an existing one and port it 04:14:37 I guess it'd be about as much work ;) 04:14:43 Why is that? 04:14:50 but you're probably quite correct in it being a better idea. 04:15:00 You only really need to port the really low level code 04:15:18 Ya. 04:16:06 It's a lot of freaking work implementing CL 04:16:37 Yup. 04:16:41 redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:59 -!- redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:59 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 04:18:03 redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:18:14 -!- redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:56 schmx: You could implement the low-level stuff and use SICL for the rest. 04:19:36 JuniorRoy [~Work@ns.nkmk.ru] has joined #lisp 04:19:45 plage: How is SICL coming along? 04:19:52 schmx: And when you run into something high-level that SICL doesn't have (yet), you could try to make it as portable as possible so that one day it could be part of SICL. 04:20:11 schmx: The first module is out (the conses dictionary essentially). 04:20:24 schmx: The sequences dictionary is well on the way. 04:20:25 cools. 04:20:52 It sounds like quite a big project. I can't understand how you can make such speedy progress with it. 04:21:06 schmx: I have just been busy for a couple of days with all new teaching, new admin responsibilities, finding an apartment, buying stuff, etc. 04:21:48 khisanth_ [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-5-98.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:21:53 schmx: You think it is speedy? I am disappointed with the slow progress. 04:22:45 I'm impressed anyway (: 04:22:49 thanks! 04:23:14 schmx: the format module lacks only floating-point formating. 04:23:38 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:23:53 schmx: The loop macro does syntax analysis, and mvilleneuve has made some progress on the rest. 04:24:06 schmx: The reader is about 25% done. 04:24:10 SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:25:39 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:12 very cool 04:26:40 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:27:04 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:04 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:28:06 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:28:08 schmx: The real cool thing, in my opinion, is that error messages are very clear, and that performance is quite good. 04:28:41 -!- khisanth_ [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-5-98.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:29:02 What is the SBCL analog of CLISP's RESOLVE-HOST-IPADDR and DOTTED-TO-IPADDR? 04:29:29 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:48 Use a portability library 04:30:29 sb-bsd-sockets? 04:30:31 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:30:59 plage: clear error message? are you some sort of heathen!? 04:31:21 schmx: By the catholic definition of it, very much so, yes. 04:31:58 (: 04:32:25 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32:29 schmx: I apologize profusely, but part of the reason for SICL is that I got tired of trying to decipher error messages such as "X is not a LIST: 3". 04:32:31 What's with the reverse smilies? 04:33:01 drdo: Tradition started by antifuchs I think , so that they would balance out the ordinary ones. 04:33:14 plage: That's a complaint i have a lot 04:33:28 Error messages in SBCL and CCL at least are really bad 04:33:31 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:33:56 Reverse smilies? 04:34:06 I have been doing smilies the correct way since 1994 >< 04:34:14 I have been known to also do them this way :) 04:34:23 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34:43 I burn a lot of brain cycles trying to figure out reverse smilies 04:34:46 drdo: I don't want to be a complainer, and I think the SBCL and CCL people are doing a fantastic job. But they have priorities that are not always the same as mine, so I try to do something about it instead of complaining. 04:34:57 I'm optimized for left to right smilies 04:35:25 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:35:30 Do speakers of Arabic write their smilies the other way? 04:36:00 plage: I'm very grateful for these implementations, i was merely pointing out that the error messages aren't helpful most of the time 04:36:27 And i do understand very well why they are like that 04:36:33 drdo: Possibly. I prefer to say something like "I must be doing something wrong, because I am unable to debug my program easily". 04:36:37 It's really boring and lots of work to do it properly 04:37:26 drdo: Boring, perhaps. But then I find great satisfaction in taking on such a task and trying to do it right. 04:37:51 plage: I'm happy that people like you exist then :) 04:37:59 Heh! 04:38:06 I don't get much satisfaction from that sort of work 04:38:11 -!- boscop_ [~boscop@f055251208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:39:20 redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:40:01 drdo: One runs into surprisingly interesting aspects of things. For instance, I figured out that part of the reason for bad error messages is that standard functions are implemented directly in terms of other standard functions, so that error messages come from functions that the user never directly invoked. By making a rule that standard functions can only use other standard functions when they are sure not to fail, I solve this 04:40:02 problem. 04:41:39 plage: I know, i've read the SICL tex file 04:41:51 I agree with pretty much everything there 04:42:05 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has quit [Quit:  In our sky there is no limits, and masters we have none; heavy metal is the only one! ] 04:42:29 drdo: Oh, OK. Consider this remark for everyone else here then. :) 04:44:54 And yes, i did really read the tex directly as i didn't have an implementation to convert it to some other format at hand :P 04:47:49 Ouch! 04:49:04 *schmx* make -j4's and goes to make some coffee then. 04:49:42 shit... i just dropped my headphones in my tea 04:49:54 uh oh. 04:50:32 and now one side has noticeably lower volume :s 04:51:44 plage: you should write about what you're doing on my blog 04:51:52 plage: since i need other people to write on it to overtake my boringness 04:52:41 -!- gigamonk` [~user@adsl-99-2-151-21.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:52:58 pinterface [~pinterfac@173-20-55-85.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 04:55:01 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:08 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 04:55:52 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.17.105] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:56:11 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:57:13 cmsimon [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has joined #lisp 04:57:55 Quadrescence: I might have considered that if I felt the need for as many people as possible to know what I am doing, but that's not really how it feels right now. Right now, I need to settle down in my new environment, get my routines in place, and then finish the sequences module. 04:58:13 Hmm, any lisp bindings to graphics toolkits? Say..glut, or anything? 04:58:23 plage: well the goal of the internet is to just talk and talk even if no one needs to listen! 04:58:45 Quadrescence: Sorry to hear that :) 04:58:51 Hehe :) 04:59:27 sea4ever: cl-opengl has bindings for glut 04:59:52 Really? Oooh I'll go look it up straight away 05:00:12 (ql:quickload "cl-opengl") 05:01:13 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:01:29 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Night] 05:02:22 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 05:02:49 _pw_ [~user@125.34.40.142] has joined #lisp 05:03:12 sea4ever: I think Patzy is the glut master. 05:06:50 -!- drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:15 drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 05:10:45 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12:55 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A377C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:20:04 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 05:20:43 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.17.105] has joined #lisp 05:21:45 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:22:23 :\ I was installing asdf-install so that I could use that to grab cl-opengl. The 'asdf-install-latest.tar.gz' contains files with syntax errors. (Just a few missing parens) 05:22:37 I filled 'em in though. Someone should fix that 05:22:59 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:28:28 eslick [~eslick@c-67-164-72-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:29:45 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-179.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:30:05 qfr [void@unaffiliated/yw] has joined #lisp 05:30:13 What fonts do you guys use? 05:30:28 Terminus on both Windows and Linux 05:30:47 In other news, pattern writes Lisp in vim. He truly is a masochist. 05:30:49 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-117-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31:16 bitmap? 05:31:45 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-117-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 05:32:21 sea4ever: just don't use asdf-install 05:34:24 pocket_ [~pocket_@p3080-ipbf3608hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:35:06 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-204-63.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:35:09 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:36:04 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-204-63.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 05:36:07 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 05:37:57 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 05:39:07 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.33.72] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 05:41:44 -!- drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:16 -!- pocket_ [~pocket_@p3080-ipbf3608hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:30 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:53:04 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 05:58:30 plage: they must write them as (* since it looks like the Moon and star often found on Islamic flags. ;-) 06:01:00 plage: re tex, I like to use reStructuredText (reST). It's mostly plain text, but with some conventions that are interpreted to build a tagged representation to generate nicely formated documents (pdf, html, etc). A little in the spirit of the formating of the RFC's. 06:03:09 plage: also, about errors, one problem of CL, is that it doesn't define enough the conditions, so most conditions signaled from CL are not processable automatically by the application, we can just ignore them or break. 06:04:33 how about adding those missing conditions to, say, alexandria? 06:04:56 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:20 plage` [~user@116.118.10.128] has joined #lisp 06:06:48 drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 06:07:13 -!- plage [~user@116.118.10.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:07:56 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:08:04 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-117-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:08:17 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-117-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 06:08:57 khisanth_ [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-15-48.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:09:22 Phoodus [~foo@174-17-245-93.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:09:31 khisanth__ [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-26-223.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:10:18 slyrus: I think the problem is that they are not "standardized" (e.g., in a CDR document).. and the code to be modified is the CL implementation's code, not something you can put in alexandria 06:10:59 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:11:29 -!- khisanth__ is now known as Khisanth 06:12:06 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:12:29 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-117-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:12:43 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-117-217.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 06:13:33 -!- khisanth_ [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-15-48.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:13:52 -!- Phoodus [~foo@174-17-245-93.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:13:53 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15:46 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-20-5.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:16:19 pjb: So is restructuredtext another markup language? 06:16:47 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 06:16:48 -!- plage` is now known as plage 06:18:07 adeht: That's a good idea though: Define more specific conditions and submit them as a CDR document. 06:26:09 zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has joined #lisp 06:28:58 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.228.17.105] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:29:22 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:30:28 Hilarious 06:30:40 the hello world binary i made using buildapp 06:30:43 has 44MB 06:32:23 not bad at all. 06:33:45 adeht: not that the CDR isn't a good thing, but a commonly used library with those conditions is more likely to change folks behavior than a spec nobody reads, IMO 06:35:54 industry__ [~industry@173-9-112-190-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 06:36:12 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:36:41 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:37:52 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:38:22 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:31 slyrus: afaik, it's not one of alexandria's goals to provide a compatibility layer across implementations 06:38:48 also, it doesn't matter if the CDR doesn't get read, as long as somebody implements it (-: 06:39:35 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:40:18 Currently in SICL, I have defined such conditions for each module, which is not optimal. Perhaps I should consider turning them into a separate module. 06:42:44 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 06:43:36 I have sort of just made them up as I need them, but perhaps someone would be intrested in thinking about this some more and make a suggestion? 06:44:57 one condition type per specified error condition? 06:45:46 Is it that easy? 06:45:54 probably not (-: 06:46:01 but I guess it would be a start 06:47:29 antifuchs: I wonder whether one needs to define things like the expected type of the value of :start when the sequence is a list, while not knowing the length of the sequence (or even if that length is well defined). 06:48:27 yeah, that's kind of hard to detect, isn't it 06:49:33 antifuchs: And perhaps even standardize the form of such types, say (integer 0 (n)) vs (mod n) 06:49:52 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:51:23 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:29 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:53:28 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:32 antifuchs: yes, i'm not worried about compatibility as much as (new) functionality 06:54:37 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:56:07 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:15 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:58:38 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59:35 Has anyone used cl-gtk2? 06:59:50 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:00:48 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:57 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:04:31 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:39 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:07:44 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:08:55 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:11:26 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12:35 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:14:11 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:23 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:15:33 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:41 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-20-5.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:17:03 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 07:18:05 plage: well, basically, it's a markup language without markup. 07:19:10 plage: now, of course, they added some advanced features that look more like markup, but you don't usually use them. 07:19:26 It's mostly just your bare text document. 07:19:53 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 07:20:46 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:21:19 hi 07:21:21 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21:43 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 07:21:43 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 07:21:43 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:21:55 Hello 07:22:32 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:23:46 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.98.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:24:28 Phoodus [~foo@174-17-245-93.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 07:24:30 pjb: OK, I'll have a look. 07:25:01 pjb: Would that be something to use for things like CL docstrings? 07:25:21 Does anyone have any idea why cl-gtk2 would be several orders of magnitude slower starting up in SBCL than CLISP? 07:25:38 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:38 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.108.58] has joined #lisp 07:25:46 sbcl has a pretty slow compiler 07:25:53 -!- stanrifkin [~rifkin@pD954DD62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #lisp 07:25:55 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.226.41] has joined #lisp 07:26:23 Phoodus: I dumped a core 07:26:25 sbcl is the best 07:26:34 It's really retardedly slow, there must be something weird here 07:26:40 It's instant in clisp 07:26:52 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:27:01 I've hit some weird cases in sbcl before that brutalized the speed of the compiler, generally with large macro scopes 07:27:17 though that was a bit ago, and was a known issue on the buglist 07:27:54 drdo: what version of sbcl? 07:28:34 44 07:28:53 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483C1C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:56 It really is extremelly slow, easily 100x clisp's time 07:29:09 100x is probably a huge underestimation 07:29:21 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:29:25 it makes no sense 07:29:30 this is after everything is compiled 07:29:45 from the moment i call the function until the window shows up 07:30:19 It's only this slow the first time btw 07:30:20 -!- rread [~rread@c-24-5-127-116.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: rread] 07:30:27 the only thing I could think of is if it eval's up a bunch of lambdas at runtime to lazy intiialize stuff 07:30:39 or some mismatch in the ffi 07:30:41 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483B152.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:30:48 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:51 was going to say that now, maybe something in the ffi? 07:31:07 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-179.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:31:32 hi 07:31:40 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-179.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:32:13 Posterdati: You already said that. 07:32:21 indeed 07:32:39 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 07:33:25 plage: only 10 minutes ago 07:33:49 drdo: Could you profile it? Like with sb-sprof? 07:33:53 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:34:58 i guess 07:35:12 drdo: there were some recent performance regressions. is it possible that 1.0.44.28 helps the situation? 07:36:30 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 07:36:30 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 07:36:30 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:37:04 slyrus: I think this happened in previous versions too 07:37:18 I remember trying cl-gtk2 some time ago and it being like this 07:37:25 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:37:51 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:38:12 oh, and this is slowness in loading a core, not compiling? nevermind then... 07:38:28 and, yeah, I'd guess it's some sort of ffi problem if it happens on core loading 07:38:39 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 07:38:46 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 07:38:53 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:39:30 slyrus: no, it's not compiling, this is after everything is compiled 07:40:35 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:41:39 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:42:15 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 07:42:40 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 07:42:47 Alfa|WERK [~AlfaWolph@c-75-66-58-215.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:44:40 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:52:13 plage: indeed, I find reST perfectly adapted to docstrings. 07:52:32 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:52:50 They can be read in a REPL from a bare DOCUMENTATION or DESCRIBE call, and they can be used to build formated documents. 07:53:11 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:18 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:54:51 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 07:56:39 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:29 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:57:32 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:58:10 ASau [~user@95-27-147-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 08:01:14 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 08:01:30 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 08:02:09 -!- Alfa|WERK [~AlfaWolph@c-75-66-58-215.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:13 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:02:15 Alfa|WTF [~AlfaWolph@c-75-66-58-215.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:02:29 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.108.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:03:18 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8109AD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:03:36 mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:09 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 08:04:27 notsonerdysunny [~chatzilla@121.243.182.185] has joined #lisp 08:04:34 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.101.174] has joined #lisp 08:07:03 I love iterate 08:07:34 Alfa|WERK [~AlfaWolph@c-75-65-165-163.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:08:29 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:09:00 What the hell, CLISP ignores type declarations? 08:09:07 even with safety 3? 08:09:29 actually, nevermind 08:09:44 -!- Alfa|WTF [~AlfaWolph@c-75-66-58-215.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:09:44 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-210-3-18.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:09:48 Actually, do mind 08:10:28 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 08:10:41 <_3b> type declarations are for speed not safety 08:10:48 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:50 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 08:11:04 _3b: SBCl does The Right Thing (TM) 08:11:47 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:11:49 SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:12:06 <_3b> sbcl might do 'A Useful Thing' but i suspect not everyone would agree on 'right' 08:12:46 With higher levels of safety it actually signals errors if you call a function with a type incompatible with a declartion 08:12:48 *declaration 08:13:12 And with no safety it just doesn't type check at all 08:13:28 This is fairly sensible 08:14:20 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-247.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:15:54 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-210-3-18.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:16:17 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 08:16:46 rlinuxguy [~rlinuxguy@c-24-125-178-151.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:17:00 (LET* ((I NIL) (#:LIMIT5 NIL) (#:RESULT4 1)) 08:17:00 (BLOCK NIL 08:17:00 (TAGBODY 08:17:00 (PROGN (SETQ #:LIMIT5 N) (SETQ I 0)) 08:17:10 Any idea why ITERATE macroexpands into this? 08:17:23 Why SETQ and not just initialize in the let? 08:18:59 -!- rlinuxguy [~rlinuxguy@c-24-125-178-151.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:52 what did you hand iterate to get that expansion? 08:21:19 (iter (for i from 1 to n) (accumulate i by #'* initial-value 1))) 08:21:36 there's an extra trailing paren, just ignore it 08:23:11 -!- eslick [~eslick@c-67-164-72-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:24:41 well no idea. 08:24:58 I don't see any good reason for that to happen 08:25:29 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.226.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:25:31 drdo: does it make any problem? 08:26:15 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.101.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:26:18 stassats: Depends on what you think a problem is 08:26:36 something problematic 08:26:41 oh boy. 08:27:16 -!- Alfa|WERK [~AlfaWolph@c-75-65-165-163.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:27:46 Alfa|WERK [~AlfaWolph@c-75-66-58-215.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:28:11 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.97.229] has joined #lisp 08:28:21 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-18-159.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:28:40 I am guessing whoever wrote iterate has a great reason for doing it this way, and maybe the logic behind it all won't show for such a simple use case. 08:29:17 or maybe there is no logic behind it at all and you'll have to live with the extra fraction of a ms it takes for the setq 08:29:28 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-111-5.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:29:29 -!- sea4ever [~sea@205.244.150.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:29:29 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 08:29:43 -!- replete [~pete@cpe-74-64-94-88.hvc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:29:55 does it take? 08:30:22 It does 08:30:37 I just checked the assembly sbcl generates with all optimizations on 08:30:42 It's one extra instruction 08:30:47 OMG 08:31:59 -!- jleija [~jleija@c-98-199-38-40.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: good night everyone] 08:32:12 shouldn't sbcl be fixed instead? 08:33:18 HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 08:33:58 I don't know, it's probably way easier to generate the correct expansion than it is to have sbcl detect that sort of thing 08:34:15 correct? 08:34:22 I can't even begin to imagine on what planet this is a problem. 08:34:23 in what sense that expansion is incorrect? 08:34:29 doesn't it behave as intended? 08:35:08 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo_] 08:35:30 Bronsa [~bronsa@host180-179-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 08:35:39 and having more instructions doesn't mean slower, you know 08:35:47 stassats: Sure it does, but i expect a macro, specially this sort of macro, to expand into as efficient as possible code 08:35:56 stassats: yes it does 08:36:17 It's exactly the same instructions, plus one more for that case 08:36:19 what are we talking here anyway. an extra MOV ? 08:36:21 drdo: no, ti doesn't 08:36:29 yes schmx 08:36:37 How is this even a problem. 08:37:04 It's not a problem in the sense that i can't possibly use iterate 08:37:15 But nonetheless it can be fixed 08:37:18 In what sense is it a problem? 08:37:32 i wish i had such problems! 08:37:55 I just happened to get iterate now and was playing around writing a factorial and such 08:38:07 and went to check the expansion and noticed this 08:38:36 well maybe it would be interesting if the extra instruction actually was in the loop and not just initialization. 08:39:09 schmx: This isn't significant at all in practice, i'm not claiming that 08:39:57 you spent more time arguing about it than it ever will be spent by this extra instruction 08:40:08 If it does give you an itch to scratch then by all means fix ITERATE. 08:40:13 stassats: :) 08:40:39 maybe it is actually a superoptimization hack for dem modern cache lines or what heck. 08:40:43 and in x86, you can't predict how your code will behave 08:40:58 so it may even be faster, for all i know 08:41:18 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@145.120.22.20] has joined #lisp 08:41:29 That would be seriously fucked up 08:41:36 And is not the job of iterate 08:41:38 welcome to the world of x86 assembly. 08:42:12 You could do what plage does! 08:42:22 less bitchin', more fixin' 08:42:22 What does plage do? 08:42:35 he just fixes problems it seems. 08:42:46 personally I'm more for bitchin' 08:42:59 I was looking into that, i was just asking first if there was some mysterious reason why this was reasonable 08:43:05 -!- mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:43:05 oh 08:43:27 maybe it is totally reasonable for more advanced uses of iterate. 08:43:34 -!- JuniorRoy [~Work@ns.nkmk.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:44:06 "because it's easier to generate it in that way"? 08:44:18 that's a great one. 08:44:26 Alfa|WTF [~AlfaWolph@c-75-65-165-163.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:49 -!- Alfa|WERK [~AlfaWolph@c-75-66-58-215.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:46:21 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc2-midd16-2-0-cust169.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:46:39 stassats: might be so 08:47:24 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 08:48:03 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:15 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 08:50:03 Merry Christmas everyone! 08:50:04 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-183-229.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:20 nah, christmas is off-topic 08:51:25 haha 08:51:46 (apply #'merry (list "christmas" "everyone")) 08:52:00 merry everyone! 08:52:12 it's two weeks till christmas 08:52:32 It is? 08:52:40 You have to be a hard-core lisper to be programming on this day. 08:52:53 schmx: yes, on January 7 08:52:59 drl: I'm not christian so to me it's just another friday. 08:53:08 It's friday? 08:53:10 stassats: Weird. I thought it was dec 24. 08:53:18 schmx: well, and who programs on fridays? 08:53:33 Who doesn't program on fridays 8:43? 08:53:38 *53 08:53:48 stassats: I guess all google employees (: 08:53:55 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:54:35 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 08:54:37 I gave up on programming for now when I found arch was horribly broken again. 08:55:10 arch as in archlinux? 08:55:12 yes. 08:55:19 What happened? 08:55:36 They decided that System.Net was not an important part to actually have in the mono package. 08:55:45 and really, who needs networking these days. 08:55:49 I wouldn't know anything about that 08:56:12 because that's off-topic! 08:56:21 The cool thing about arch is AUR 08:56:31 aur is pretty ok. 08:56:44 nothing revolutionary, but quite nice. 08:56:55 It's pretty easy to add and use packages from aur 08:56:58 It's nice 08:57:05 so now I'm thinking I should fire up some emacs and do some lisp. 08:57:09 is it better than quicklisp? 08:57:14 hell no. 08:57:22 stassats: quicklisp doesn't let you add stuff 08:57:31 yet 08:57:40 drdo: It's pretty easy to add and use debian packages to your local repo too. or whatever. so I dunno. aur seems pretty much just like ports or pkgsrc to me. 08:58:04 schmx: ahmm, the point of AUR is that EVERYONE gets access to it instantly 08:58:06 and currently you can always poke Xach 08:58:08 not just you 08:58:26 drdo: ya and half the time it is horribly broken and the maintainer doesn't give a rats arse. 08:58:47 That could happen yes, but in practice that hasn't happened to be 08:58:54 huh 08:58:56 It's fucking hard to actually break it 08:58:58 it happens to me all the time. 08:59:26 I have structures stored in a hash-table and saved to disk. When I try to open the file with emacs all I see is: # How can this be? Where are the records? 08:59:39 -!- ebzzry [~ebzzry@112.210.138.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:59:47 drl: What did you do to store them? 08:59:53 drl: What do you mean by "saved to disk" ? 09:00:19 drl: Sounds like you have just gotten a printed representation of the hash table object and dumped that to a file. 09:00:25 Saved as a file on the harddrive. 09:00:28 indeed 09:00:32 (what schmx said) 09:00:37 -!- myu2 [~myu2@58x5x224x106.ap58.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:48 Guthur [c0c1f510@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.193.245.16] has joined #lisp 09:01:24 schmx, so the data is not actually in the file? 09:01:47 no 09:03:47 stassats, no it is in the file, or no it isn't in the file? 09:03:55 yes 09:03:57 :D 09:04:12 drl: do you see it in the file? 09:04:14 :D>) 09:04:56 Unless CL could somehow encode it in that printed representation 09:05:01 Which would be pretty amazing 09:05:22 frito [~keithmant@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:05:46 100389C9B1 could mean a lot of things 09:05:57 I seem to remember rucksack having hash table serialisation. 09:06:17 hash table serialisation is trivial 09:06:21 ya 09:06:25 structures, not so 09:06:45 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.97.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:14 drl: What you need to do is get the data out of the hash table and store that, then put it in a new hash table when you want it off of the disk. 09:07:35 or a number of wild variations on the same topic. 09:07:52 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08:44 echo-are` [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 09:09:32 -!- echo-are` [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:48 SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 09:09:53 schmx, ok. Thanks. 09:10:53 (: 09:11:01 drl: I hope it was nothing important in that hashtable. 09:11:08 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.105.218] has joined #lisp 09:11:38 Because that hashtable, is forever lost :( 09:12:07 Unless you know the guys from CSI, they can get anything 09:12:24 it resides in the ether 09:12:32 wait. zoom in on that pixel there. 09:12:41 got it! 09:12:42 schmx: ENHANCE! 09:13:12 I haven't seen that many episodes but that seems to happen all the time. 09:13:14 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:15 tcr [~tcr@77-20-119-246-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:13:16 that joke is old 09:13:29 it's still funny 09:14:04 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 09:15:07 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:17:07 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-174-191.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:17:52 -!- frito [~keithmant@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] 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how do I make executables in clisp for linux 11:24:49 manugupt1: http://clisp.sourceforge.net/impnotes/image.html 11:26:13 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 11:29:15 yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 11:29:55 -!- manugupt1 [~manugupt1@opensuse/member/manugupt1] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:30:29 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:31:01 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.96.160.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:31:43 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@213.246.121.117] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:32:18 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.107.168] has joined #lisp 11:32:54 ASau [~user@95-27-147-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 11:33:08 manugupt1 [~manugupt1@opensuse/member/manugupt1] has joined #lisp 11:33:46 stassats, I am new and I am learning clisp I want to save the programs which I make for future refrences 11:34:53 -!- boysetsfrog [~nathan@123-243-214-176.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ...] 11:35:19 Also I Did not understand the abve page I am sorry. Can you help me a bit in getting started 11:35:33 wouldn't you be better off just storing the source code then? 11:35:42 if you want to keep them as reference, that is 11:36:15 plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has joined #lisp 11:36:32 Yes.. koning_robot I will do that lso I wll like to try them out look at the output 11:37:05 manugupt1: Notice that clisp is a specific implementation of Common Lisp (CL), there are other implementations (but clisp is a good one). 11:37:38 pjb, like 11:37:41 manugupt1: the problem with image based development is that images are very version-specific. So you definitely want to keep your sources in nomral files. 11:38:04 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 11:38:05 i'd say "clisp is tolerable" 11:38:17 Ok.. 11:38:29 I made a program to add 2 nos 11:38:31 stassats: it has the best debugger around: the clearest debugging stacks, thanks to the interpreter. 11:38:43 then i did this clisp -c file.lisp 11:38:46 manugupt1: that said, it's easy to do. If you only have a couple of files to load to make your programs, you canjust write a loader.lisp file whic contains (load"file1.lisp") ... forms. 11:38:54 pjb: that's my main gripe, it has the worst debugger 11:39:00 (when using slime) 11:39:22 stassats: that's slime's fault. It breaks also ccl backtraces. 11:39:29 Ok... let me try.. 11:40:01 -!- eihrul [~eihrul@84-231-33-219.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:04 well, is it slime's fault that clisp provides poor interaction for debugger? 11:40:19 manugupt1: the thing is that you can keep clisp running, and when you modify your source, you may just copy-and-paste the modified function to the REPL, or reload the modified file. You don't have to reset everything just for a small modification. 11:40:52 manugupt1: that's where also, tools such as emacs with inferior-lisp, or emacs with slime come handy, there are emacs commands bound to a single key to send a function from the editor to clisp. 11:41:02 Joreji [~thomas@77-20-6-77-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:41:36 Ok.. 11:42:18 I am not sure if I get it all of it.. because I started of today and was trying to work like gcc 11:42:35 manugupt1: when you start making programs with more source files, you may use asdf instead of a loader.lisp file. 11:42:37 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.107.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:42:45 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.102.33] has joined #lisp 11:43:02 pjb, once I load it without a function suppose how do I see the output 11:43:05 manugupt1: don't. One very nice thing is that you can use CL implementations interactively. 11:43:27 Once you loaded your sources, you can type expressions at the REPL. 11:43:38 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 11:44:10 ok.. (+ 2 3) thsis was my func in f.lisp 11:44:22 This is just a form, an expression. 11:44:33 Ok.. 11:44:45 carlocci [~nes@93.37.193.67] has joined #lisp 11:45:10 In a source file, it won't do anything useful. Notably, loading or compiling a file won't print any result. The REPL = Read Eval Print Loop contains the print operation, so you get the result of the expressions you type at the REPL, but not those you load. 11:45:22 pjb: how does it brake ccl's backtraces? 11:45:42 manugupt1: If you want to see the result of a form evaluated when loading a file, you must use I/O functions such as: (print (+ 3 4)). 11:46:35 stassats: I don't know exactly, I'd have to be more careful, but 1/2 the time, when I get a slime backtrace in ccl, I still type B to and :bt to have the native backtrace and be able to read it. 11:46:43 pjb, Thanks a lot.. 11:46:50 stassats: (It's 100% of the time with clisp.) 11:47:05 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 11:47:13 manugupt1: do you use emacs? 11:47:27 pjb, I tried.. and left but can go again 11:47:37 Don't worry, you can learn it later. 11:48:00 But you should consider it, it really gives a niced environment for lisp development. 11:48:16 Sure... 11:49:25 OK.. thanks a lot guys I need to go now but I will certainly consider staying here regularly now 11:49:35 pjb: hi 11:49:35 And get to learn more 11:49:50 -!- beyeran [~apb@p54A91531.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:50:00 pjb: clisp's debugging in slime is atrocious, but slime can't do anything about it until clisp provides means for debugger introspection 11:50:13 Posterdati: hi! 11:50:27 stassats: I guess so. 11:50:36 please I need help with maxima and Lisp: I need to solve linear systems and I'd like to use functions from maxima or at least LAPACK 11:50:43 -!- manugupt1 [~manugupt1@opensuse/member/manugupt1] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:51:04 manugupt1 [~manugupt1@opensuse/member/manugupt1] has joined #lisp 11:51:17 pjb: i'd be interested to know details about ccl backtrace issues 11:51:49 Posterdati: what's the problem? 11:51:54 Posterdati: I'm probably the less indicated to give you specific help with maxima. I only know that it is indeed possible to call lisp functions from maxima code, and to call maxima functions from Lisp code. But I don't remember the details. Check the web and the docs. Oh, and maxima runs very well on other implementations than gcl nowadays, I'd advise maxima+sbcl . 11:52:24 stassats: I guess it's more a problem of readability. I'll take note next time. 11:53:13 stassats: one thing that could be improved right away, is that when there's an error, and you get out of sldb, nothing remains in the repl about the error. At least the error message should be put there, for later reference. 11:53:17 koning_robot: I'd like to solve a system like Ax = B and I'm a bit lazy to develop the linear algebra functions in Lisp, so I'd like to use maxima or LAPACK for that :) 11:53:35 pjb: it does now 11:53:58 I got slime from CVS last week. 11:54:19 Is there a flag to set? 11:54:32 no, it's by default, do you use slime-repl? 11:54:58 Why isn't this working: http://paste.lisp.org/display/118020 11:54:59 Yes. 11:55:29 -!- manugupt1 [~manugupt1@opensuse/member/manugupt1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:33 it looks like this (/ 0) ; Evaluation aborted on #. 11:55:37 It should work, at least while your keys and values are printable readably. 11:56:09 Right. A princ would be nice though. 11:56:12 nicer. 11:56:21 http://www.cliki.net/Maxima 11:56:31 pjb: http://www.cliki.net/Maxima 11:56:34 pjb: i figured it to be too much distracting, but it can be added optionally 11:56:47 pjb: Maxima can also be used from Common Lisp programs as a library. See the section Lisp and Maxima in the Maxima manual for more information. 11:57:14 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@host86-163-162-173.range86-163.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:57:20 pbj: I spent a week to find the correct docs :) 11:57:34 stassats: well, it depends on the kind of workflow. Often, I don't need to do a alot in the debugger to find the problems, the error message is enough. 11:57:56 Posterdati: This is what I told you I already know it. But this is all I know about it. 11:58:15 pjb: there must be an API for Lisp then! 11:58:28 yes, it must be in there, in the documentation. 11:58:30 Read it! 11:58:30 it's written in lisp, sure you can use it from lisp 11:58:31 Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp118-210-15-1.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 11:58:35 Posterdati: there is, you need to load the right package 11:58:56 fpc [~user@ppp-71-139-20-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:03 is there some library lighter than maxima for solving easy linear algebra problems but without calling fortran libs? 11:59:06 and i've used maxima successfully from lisp, but i won't tell how 11:59:24 (because i don't remember) 11:59:43 stassats: ok.. I'll tell you 11:59:54 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-210-3-18.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:59:56 moah: if it works, you don't need anything lighter. Just buy a cheap, but new computer, it'll have more than enough memory. 12:00:03 this is probably the best of the 'matlab' like numerical lisp thingys http://common-lisp.net/project/lisplab/ 12:00:21 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-65-65.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:01:48 also http://www.phys.uu.nl/DU/num_recipes/lisp.1ed/senac/readme.htm 12:01:55 pjb, im still learning Lisp, so figuring out maxima seems to much. 12:02:07 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:02:45 ziga`: i'm looking for a lightweight lib, that isnt using fortran libs, lisplab seems to do that, like matlisp. 12:03:24 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.102.33] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:04:10 i think lisplab has a fallback lispy implementation of functions.. i haven't used it though. if you just need some simple stuff i would rewrite it in lisp or call into C if I were you 12:04:22 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.14.176] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:05:06 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:05:20 eihrul [~eihrul@84-231-123-153.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #lisp 12:05:37 Posterdati: you need to get asdf to find maxima.asd and then (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op 'maxima) 12:05:48 Lochy [~lochy@59.96.163.3] has joined #lisp 12:05:51 koning_robot: thanks 12:06:11 koning_robot: but what is asdf? 12:06:23 koning_robot: last time I did that I had to modify the .asd file slighty so it loaded correctly.. 12:06:53 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-84-14.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 12:07:26 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:08 Posterdati: another system definition facility 12:08:19 i've been thinking about rewriting some minimisation algorithms in lisp for fun, and I dont want them to depend on fortran libs, but I'm slowly finding out that for that, i would have to write all of the linear algebra stuff first, because all lisp libs I've run into till now, depend on BLAS/LAPACK for that. 12:08:23 koning_robot: ok 12:08:24 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 12:08:24 SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 12:08:33 koning_robot: a system to load cl objects? 12:08:39 that is probably also why lisplab/matlisp arent available in quicklisp. 12:09:16 vokoda [~vokoda@host86-150-84-46.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:10:23 Posterdati: a system to define how a library or program is structured and what depends on what, which can then be used to load the right cl code in the right order 12:10:25 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:38 koning_robot: ok 12:10:50 koning_robot: so one has to use it to load maxima functions 12:10:59 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:03 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.181.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:11:06 moah: if you're into clojure, . 12:11:33 SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001345655973.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 12:12:44 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.70.37] has joined #lisp 12:13:22 Posterdati: you can load it by hand if you want 12:13:32 koning_robot: no thanks 12:13:35 fpc: thanks, i know incanter, but i am more in a CL phase right now. 12:13:47 Posterdati: but yes, you're going to want to use it to load the maxima system which provides the functions you want 12:14:15 moah: just start hacking on stumpwm and that should bring you up to speed ;) 12:14:30 koning_robot: ok, but I need a document with API on it, I don't even know the functions to use :) 12:15:43 Posterdati: It is worth understanding the basics of ASDF 12:15:56 Posterdati: from the "Lisp and Maxima" section in the maxima docs: "Functions defined in Maxima are not ordinary Lisp functions. The Lisp function mfuncall calls a Maxima function. For example: [...]" 12:16:07 Guthur: ok, I'll give it a try 12:16:11 I can't imagine developing a project without it 12:16:39 -!- Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:18:22 koning_robot: I'm on it, but can't understand... The example calls lisp from maxima prompt... 12:18:31 -!- notsonerdysunny [~chatzilla@121.243.182.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:22:13 Posterdati: you mean you don't want to run the program "maxima" and then enter "to_lisp();", but you just want to use the lisp functions? 12:23:04 -!- Guthur [c0c1f510@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.193.245.16] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:24:21 koning_robot: yes, I need a bunch of them 12:24:44 koning_robot: I need matrix inversion, matrix product and vector-to-matrix product 12:25:05 koning_robot: not symbolic 12:25:39 Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has joined #lisp 12:25:59 Posterdati: see INSTALL.lisp file 12:26:18 you can load maxima directly into the image 12:27:18 maxima is quite slow with numerical stuff... and there is a lot to learn about internals, i'd advise you against it... matrix inversion, matrix product and such can be written in an hour or so ... just grab some simple source 12:28:02 http://www.phys.uu.nl/DU/num_recipes/lisp.1ed/senac/nr02.l 12:28:04 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-128-82.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 12:28:26 advising against maxima and for numerical recipes instead? Impressive 12:28:28 just copy paste 12:28:28 ZabaQ [~Zaba@213.246.121.117] has joined #lisp 12:28:33 did anyone use mongrel2 with lisp? how is it 12:28:34 ? 12:29:36 well I just loaded Maxima in my image and it doesn't seem to be intended to be used as a library... it exports nothing 12:30:06 ziga`: thanks 12:30:35 -!- billitch [~billitch@62.201.142.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:31:00 Posterdati: you'll also need http://www.phys.uu.nl/DU/num_recipes/lisp.1ed/senac/nr00.l for macrost 12:31:44 koning_robot: Maxima is written by mathematicians, not cl-experts 12:32:49 ziga`: aaah it's taken from "numerical recipes in fortran" so it should works fine :9 thanks again! 12:33:15 you could probably follow the source if you have the book 12:35:12 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:54 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 12:36:18 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-90-131.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:37:26 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-90-131.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 12:37:42 billitch [~billitch@62.201.142.83] has joined #lisp 12:38:20 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-90-131.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:38:31 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 12:39:23 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc2-midd16-2-0-cust169.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40:30 -!- Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:42:25 -!- billitch [~billitch@62.201.142.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:44:24 Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has joined #lisp 12:45:07 ebzzry [~ebzzry@112.210.156.188] has joined #lisp 12:45:59 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 12:46:15 antgreen` [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 12:46:29 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:07 -!- mytoh [~mytoh@h220-215-160-087.catv02.itscom.jp] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:50:00 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 12:52:08 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@host86-150-84-46.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:52:41 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-247.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:53:34 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-20-6-77-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:53:45 vokoda [~vokoda@host109-153-44-179.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:53:47 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-84-14.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:58:23 HG` [~HG@xdslfe183.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 12:59:06 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:27 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@213.246.121.117] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:01:18 boscop_ [~boscop@f055251208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:02:14 -!- boscop_ is now known as boscop 13:06:13 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 13:08:35 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:50 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:12:38 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-20-5.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:15:16 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@218.82.4.206] has joined #lisp 13:15:43 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Quit: DarthShrine] 13:16:13 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:22:18 Dmsy [~somebody@d073114.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 13:23:58 sabalaba [~sabalaba@114.240.89.171] has joined #lisp 13:24:09 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@host109-153-44-179.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:24:36 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@114.240.89.171] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:21 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-20-5.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:48 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:17 -!- Dmsy [~somebody@d073114.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:37:17 simias [~simias@2001:41d0:1:ae71::1] has joined #lisp 13:37:25 I'd like to replace a package installed with quicklisp by an other version (developement version I'll download with mercurial), what would be the best way to do that? 13:37:50 vokoda [~vokoda@host109-153-44-179.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:37:52 -!- vokoda [~vokoda@host109-153-44-179.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 13:38:40 vokoda [~vokoda@host109-153-44-179.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:40:40 ziga`: 13:44:32 ZabaQ [~Zaba@138.86-246-213.ippool.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 13:50:44 ziga`: I've got "numerical recipes in c" same authors I think :) 13:51:01 ziga`: it's a robust book 13:51:24 -!- Dranik [~dim@86.57.253.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:05 sunnyps [~sunnyps@159.snat-111-91-110.hns.net.in] has joined #lisp 13:53:34 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-179-29-10.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:40 az [~az@p4FE4FD15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:54:44 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-147-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:55:03 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-20-5.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:57:14 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:53 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 13:59:17 Joreji [~thomas@77-20-6-77-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:01:59 gigamonk` [~user@adsl-99-2-151-21.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:03:36 gigamonk`: hi, happy xmas to you 14:03:43 jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-54.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:03:55 ASau [~user@95-27-147-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 14:04:03 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:16 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-147-142.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:20 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@218.82.4.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:08:02 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@218.82.4.206] has joined #lisp 14:08:13 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:10:09 simias: I think the best way is not to mess with quicklisp folder structures, but load your older package with ASDF. that will shadow newer package 14:11:48 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:29 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 14:13:19 mitre: I'm afraid it may clash eventually, isn't there a way to uninstall a package with quicklisp? or should I just put my new path before quicklisp in the central-registry and everything will be fine? 14:13:45 so. how do I add a bunch of directories to my asdf2 source registry nowadays? I've tried ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/10-hacks.conf, but asdf doesn't give me any indication that it uses tha 14:13:47 t 14:14:06 (also, doesn't find the systems in there when I (find-system ...) them. 14:14:10 Seraph [~Seraph@p54BAFFE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:42 myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 14:14:48 i just push into asdf:*central-registry* 14:14:52 -!- myu2 [~myu2@v077103.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:00 bah 14:15:16 I don't want to add each of my projects to a config file 14:15:25 (so I'd hoped to be able to use :tree) 14:15:32 -!- Seraph [~Seraph@p54BAFFE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 14:16:35 Zhivago [~zhivago@li49-59.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 14:17:43 -!- pdo [~pdo@217.33.254.141] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:12 simias: ql looks in asdf first, so obviously it should be in asdf before you try to quickload 14:20:27 do I have to restart my lisp image to load the new version? 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15:48:26 nakiya: yes. There's also #lispcafe, but I tend to see only #lisp. 15:48:32 nakiya: #lispcafe is closer to that but you can ask questions here with a reasonable chance of not getting beaten over the head. 15:48:40 :p 15:48:49 my problem is about a good IDE 15:48:56 Can't find ne 15:49:01 *one 15:49:02 nakiya: the standard answer is emacs+slime. 15:49:04 nakiya: Afraid of emacs/Slime, I take it? 15:49:19 yep I know. I use vim day to day 15:49:25 nakiya: What IDE's have you used in the past? If you're a vi/vim guy I've heard good things about slimv. 15:49:29 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:30 nakiya: if you're not satisfied by that, your only option is one of the commercial IDE, Allegro CL or Lispworks. Both have free versions. 15:49:44 slimv 15:49:50 Ill google it 15:50:00 tx 15:50:02 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 15:50:06 nakiya: There was one other SLIME-alike for VIM but I don't recall the name now. Sure. :) 15:50:12 but lispworks is emacs-like too! 15:50:12 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@138.86-246-213.ippool.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:50:18 *redline6561* lols 15:51:09 somebody should package emacs with slime and remove all mentions of word "emacs", nobody would complain 15:52:24 stassats: probably 15:52:35 stassats: isn't that called "lispbox" though? 15:52:43 ;) 15:52:50 lispbox is outdated 15:53:40 stassats: Yeah. Somebody picked it up back in August. It's on github. If it got updated with CCL 1.6 and quicklisp it would be good to go. 15:53:43 WonTu [~WonTu@p57B54C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:44 it's funny that people are looking for good IDEs, and there is only one such free, but are still looking at bad ones 15:53:57 -!- WonTu [~WonTu@p57B54C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 15:53:58 -!- gigamonk` is now known as gigamonkey 15:54:41 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:09 antifuchs: herep? 15:55:14 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 15:57:32 urandom__ [~user@p548A3808.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:35 minion: memo for antifuchs, I seem to remember Franz wanting to pay you to play around with lispbox a little...am I crazy? 15:57:47 sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:58:28 redline6561: are you crazy? there's no minion! 15:58:45 ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has joined #lisp 15:59:21 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:37 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-253-179.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 15:59:48 stassats: I am a bit crazy. I blame a recent switch to ERC and general xmas something or other. 16:00:16 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 16:00:18 eslick [~eslick@c-67-164-72-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:50 -!- rfg [~rfg@82.132.211.110] has quit [Quit: rfg] 16:05:42 charliekilo [~charlieki@pool-96-236-149-254.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:59 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 16:05:59 -!- charliekilo [~charlieki@pool-96-236-149-254.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 16:06:30 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 16:07:53 -!- sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has quit [Quit: sellout] 16:10:05 -!- redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:08 s1gma_ [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 16:11:51 redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:17 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:14:44 -!- fpc [~user@ppp-71-139-20-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:29 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-58-93.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:53 sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:32 anyone know why ecl gives this message when loading specials.lisp from hunchentoot: HUNCHENTOOT::*SUPPORTS-THREADS-P* is unbound. The variable is there in the file 16:21:37 sohail: unbound means it has not been given a value 16:21:47 So if you (defvar *support-threads-p*) it's defined but unbound. 16:22:16 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.99.78.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:22:33 gigamonkey: based on my reading it is defined to nil... 16:23:01 krzysz00 [~user@pool-71-252-233-89.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:04 HUNCHENTOOT::*SUPPORTS-THREADS-P* is a symbol macro 16:23:24 oh, it's a symbol macro 16:23:40 -!- krzysz00 [~user@pool-71-252-233-89.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:24:19 -!- vokoda_ [~vokoda@host109-156-3-109.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:24:42 not sure why this is happening, I swear it worked yesterday (at 1am.) 16:25:15 maybe it's celebrating christmas 16:26:09 vokoda [~vokoda@host109-153-49-237.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:26:59 could be 16:27:11 maybe I should build ecl with threads and see if that is it 16:28:26 royal90 [~chatzilla@93-34-141-92.ip50.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 16:29:58 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:14 hi, is stringp the funcion to control if an object is a string, or is there another one? 16:30:16 thanks 16:30:17 sohail: what's the value of bt:*supports-threads-p* ? 16:30:57 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 16:31:25 royal90: stringp will test whether an object is a string or not. Not sure what you mean by "control if an object is a string". 16:31:46 fe[nl]ix: nil 16:33:38 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.91.3] 16:34:38 redline6561: sorry, bad english, stringp return true if i give to stringp a string 16:34:58 royal90: Yes, it will. 16:35:06 stringp == (typep object 'string) 16:35:28 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc2-midd16-2-0-cust169.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:36:09 thank you, is there another pre-made function with that goal? 16:36:55 royal90: As stassats noted, (typep *my-object-or-var* 'type-specifier) will test for types generally. 16:37:45 royal90: what's wrong with stringp? 16:38:00 manugupt1 [~manugupt1@opensuse/member/manugupt1] has joined #lisp 16:38:35 WonTu [~WonTu@p57B54C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:49 -!- WonTu [~WonTu@p57B54C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 16:39:12 -!- Phoodus [~foo@174-17-245-93.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:40:39 just searching alternative :) typep is a good one :) 16:40:59 no, typep is not a good alternative to stringp 16:41:31 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 16:41:34 fe[nl]ix: I rebuilt ecl so bt:*supports-threads-p* is true and still no go, hrm 16:41:34 -!- manugupt1 [~manugupt1@opensuse/member/manugupt1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:58 sohail: delete fasls, recompile 16:42:45 rm -rf ~/.cache ? 16:42:46 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-20-119-246-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:42:58 wherever you store them 16:42:59 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-2-151-21.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:43:12 sohail: ~/.cache/common-lisp/ecl* 16:43:15 I actually don't store them anywhere purposely 16:43:23 fe[nl]ix: got it thanks 16:43:40 -!- az [~az@p4FE4FD15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:13 az [~az@p4FE4FD15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:37 (macroexpand-1 '(define-symbol-macro x 10)) => ecl doesn't have compile-time side-effects for define-symbol-macro 16:45:14 -!- sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has quit [Quit: sellout] 16:47:01 rme [~rme@pool-70-105-86-63.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:47:03 I see 16:47:51 so it probably never worked 16:48:15 it would work if you compile it twice 16:50:13 tcr [~tcr@77-20-119-246-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 16:52:49 ZabaQ [~Zaba@213.246.95.95] has joined #lisp 16:53:06 ch3oh [~ozz@94.247.40.147] has joined #lisp 16:53:55 sohail: try wrapping that definition in an eval-when, and if it works send a patch to Edi 16:54:05 -!- HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:54:29 ok, will do. I think I broke ecl when I rebuilt it so rebuilding a third time :) 16:54:30 sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:54:34 thanks fe[nl]ix, stassats 16:55:59 -!- ch3oh [~ozz@94.247.40.147] has left #lisp 16:58:42 HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 16:59:16 Bronsa [~bronsa@host137-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:00:30 what is the function that returns 1 if a number is > 0, -1 if < 0, and 0 otherwise? 17:00:43 signum 17:01:19 only ECL doesn't establish symbol macros at compile-time 17:01:44 although clhs doesn't specifically say about it, but i'd think it's sane to assume that it should 17:02:17 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 17:02:41 -!- bandu [~coyotama@pool-71-164-234-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: client closed in haste] 17:06:21 -!- nakiya [~nakiya@112.135.31.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08:21 hm, getting a weird error loading with new ecl: error: atomic_ops/sysdeps/gcc/x86_64.h: No such file or directory 17:09:45 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.70.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:10:43 Guthur [~Guthur@host81-156-238-62.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:11:29 mm... what should signum return on NaN or infty? 17:11:37 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.146.69] has joined #lisp 17:12:04 which infinity? 17:12:10 stassats: any. 17:12:31 well, clearly, NaN isn't an option, or we should somehow update signum's derive-type function. 17:13:18 stassats: thank you for help 17:13:34 -!- yonatan_ [~yonatan@93-173-55-177.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:20 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-012.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:17:31 xan_ [~xan@6.Red-88-13-109.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:50 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:19:57 -!- ZabaQ 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This could be interesting... 20:14:13 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:16:46 -!- rfg [~rfg@82.132.139.172] has quit [Quit: rfg] 20:17:48 ZabaQ [~Zaba@213.246.118.47] has joined #lisp 20:19:47 kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:24:08 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 20:28:55 sellout- [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:29:04 mister_m [~matthew@c-71-201-6-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:06 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:30:41 -!- sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:30:41 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 20:38:15 what implementation is good on linux? SBCL? 20:38:24 SBCL is great on Linux. 20:38:48 oconnore [~eric@ip68-225-113-244.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:11 -!- mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 20:42:27 -!- scratchmo [~user@64-5-70-196.longlines.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:46:27 does CL have good library support? 20:46:29 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.89.94] has joined #lisp 20:46:43 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@213.246.118.47] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:47:02 yes 20:52:41 is practical common lisp a good place to start? 20:52:46 yes 20:53:22 Somelauw [~anonymous@084-246-052-113.PN.NL] has joined #lisp 20:53:39 Has lisp anything like this builtin (module or core)? 20:53:41 http://pastebin.com/Gma2qWHB 20:53:49 hmm. interesting question by Juan Jose on ANSI-TEST-DEVEL regarding CTYPECASE. 20:54:51 I am interested in a foreach function that can be run on costum made generators. 20:55:20 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:34 The generator should preferably be a closure. 20:55:59 hrm, anyone know how to get hunchentoot to give me back my slime repl after starting a server 20:56:19 sohail: start the server in another thread. 20:57:17 -!- redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #lisp 20:57:40 sohail: Are you using a Lisp without threads? 20:58:14 austinh: default build of sbcl 20:58:21 on osx 20:58:49 Hunchentoot doesn't usually do that, but I'd guess it might if your implementation is single threaded. 20:59:04 seems you are correct 20:59:13 I must have read the build instructions wrong 21:00:09 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.89.94] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:00:22 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.89.94] has joined #lisp 21:02:42 hm I guess there are no threads on osx.. that would explain it 21:02:46 sohail: you have to build SBCL yourself to get threads on OS X. 21:03:12 pkhuong: yep, I see that. Are threads supposed to work properly on osx? 21:04:27 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 21:04:38 enough for development. I wouldn't use them for deployment (or OS X, for that matter ;) 21:04:45 -!- mister_m [~matthew@c-71-201-6-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:56 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:04 yeah, just for development 21:05:13 "development" 21:05:14 yates [~yates@nc-76-3-105-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:15 :) 21:05:59 what is the "elephant" in weblocks-elephant-demo? 21:06:14 I thought it's some kind of persistence 21:06:39 redline6561 [~user@adsl-145-179-225.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:06:55 sohail: makes sense 21:07:57 Blkt [~user@net-93-151-228-188.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 21:08:01 I guess 21:08:10 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@0.42.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:08:41 merry christmas everyone 21:09:43 -!- Somelauw [~anonymous@084-246-052-113.PN.NL] has left #lisp 21:10:02 JJJk [~anonymous@084-246-052-113.PN.NL] has joined #lisp 21:10:52 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:11:44 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:11 how do I read one line at a time from a txt file containing letters like אטלעש? 21:12:30 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 21:12:37 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:12:52 LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:39 What is the difference between those: http://pastebin.com/0RPih3GM ? 21:17:29 Blkt: (with-open-file (s path :direction :input) (loop for line = (read-line s nil) until (null line) collect line)) 21:18:47 Blkt: assuming your Lisp supports Unicode 21:18:58 mmm 21:19:05 do you know if sbcl does? 21:19:09 it does 21:19:16 then why am I having problem with it? 21:19:22 that's exactly what I wrote 21:20:09 -!- sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has quit [Quit: sellout] 21:20:21 Blkt: what OS? 21:20:27 Ubuntu Linux 21:20:38 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.222.148] has joined #lisp 21:20:44 What does locale say? 21:21:18 I mean, do you have your locale set to UTF-8? 21:22:33 and maybe (set-language-environment "UTF-8") and (setq slime-net-coding-system 'utf-8-unix) in emacs (if that's still necessary) 21:23:23 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 21:26:16 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-8-113.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:26:43 lispm [~lispm@g224121020.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:26:51 Blkt: what problem do you encounter with that code? 21:26:57 Blkt: Forks for me just fine. 21:27:08 ("אטלעש?" "אטלעש?" "אטלעש?") 21:27:09 -!- lispm [~lispm@g224121020.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:16 lispm [~lispm@g224121020.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:27:22 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-247.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:27:39 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:28:16 -!- yates [~yates@nc-76-3-105-199.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 21:28:54 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-128-82.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:29:02 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Client Quit] 21:30:39 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-139-86.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 21:30:43 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:32:20 antoszka: sorry, parents called 21:32:59 All the best to parents :) 21:33:07 Or parens... 21:33:56 -!- symbole` [~user@rrcs-184-74-223-10.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:13 symbole` [~user@rrcs-184-74-223-10.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:39:02 if parens are calling then go to Emacs 21:39:18 sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:42:11 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:45 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:56 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 21:46:23 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-132-238.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:46:33 rfg [~rfg@82.132.211.104] has joined #lisp 21:47:48 -!- eslick [~eslick@c-67-164-72-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:48:19 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 21:48:19 eheheh 21:48:34 -!- emma is now known as em 21:49:04 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-174-191.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:50:12 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:34 fpc [~user@ppp-71-139-20-12.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:37 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:22 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:19 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-8-113.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:37 -!- JJJk is now known as Somelauw 21:58:37 anyone know where the source code for this library is located: http://www.jucs.org/jucs_14_20/ucl_glorp_an_orm/jucs_14_20_3333_3357_leitao.pdf 22:00:26 I guess I can just email the guy 22:00:36 sellout- [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:00:40 -!- sellout [~greg@24-176-188-187.static.reno.nv.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:00:40 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 22:05:33 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.89.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:05:44 silenius [~silenus@cpe-76-87-89-40.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:07:24 s1gma_ [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 22:07:47 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-20-119-246-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11:24 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:12:31 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.222.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:12:40 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 22:14:56 Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.89.27] has joined #lisp 22:15:02 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host137-178-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:15:14 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:03 masonium [~user@ip68-108-148-3.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:43 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:18:50 What is the difference between those: http://pastebin.com/0RPih3GM ? 22:22:29 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-217-249.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:22:54 talyz [~user@ip35.tunnan.riksnet.nu] has joined #lisp 22:23:06 -!- faux [~user@c-219c70d5.035-128-67626713.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:10 Dmsy [~somebody@d075194.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 22:28:58 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-217-249.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:42 krzysz00 [~user@pool-71-252-233-89.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:32:03 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 22:32:28 does anyone know of a telnetd in CL? Failing that, do I even need a telnetd, or do I just open the appropriate port and read raw data? 22:32:53 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.56.139.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:08 -!- iwillig [~ivan@66.209.120.98] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:34:14 krzysz00: see iolib 22:35:20 -!- Dmsy [~somebody@d075194.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:37:17 Fade: found it, looks interesting. 22:38:26 ZabaQ [~Zaba@120.84-246-213.ippool.namesco.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-20-6-77-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:43:09 generic IO, but if you wanted a telnetd, writing it on top of iolib would be something approaching trivial. 22:45:41 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:09 -!- HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:48:09 does quicklisp support multiple lisps? 22:48:16 yes 22:48:49 it uses asdf2 under the covers, which marshals compiled fasl's away in ~/.cache/common-lisp// 22:51:25 I share the same quicklisp install between Clozure CL and sbcl 22:54:01 sohail: let me know if you find a source for that code. I'd like to investigate it. 22:54:55 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 22:56:49 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@120.84-246-213.ippool.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:14 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:58:37 _ProgMan [~unknown@80.92.102.131] has joined #lisp 23:02:35 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.54.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:04:12 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.66.166] has joined #lisp 23:05:01 apparently ASDF2 (the proper version) doesn't allow relative pathnames (say #p"./") in the source registry. Anyone know what can be one about this? 23:05:07 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:05:09 -!- plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:05:39 set it using (user-homedir-pathname) 23:06:07 CL paths predate posix conventions. some lisps support tilda expansion, and some do not. 23:06:29 Fade: I actually want (whatever my cwd may be at the time) to be searched for .asd files 23:07:50 (make-pathname :defaults (user-homedir-pathname) :name "lisp/glorp") 23:08:28 most lisps at least on unix systems set *default-pathname-defaults* to the current working directory. 23:08:36 thanks 23:08:45 I think the behaviour on windows is undefined. 23:10:16 I tried (:tree *default-pathname-defaults*) and got Invalid directive (:TREE *DEFAULT-PATHANME-DEFAULTS*) 23:11:08 :tree doesn't name a function afaict. 23:11:28 Dmsy [~somebody@d075194.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #lisp 23:11:34 Oh, it's :directory ? 23:11:56 (setf *default-pathname-defaults* (make-pathname :defaults #P"/some/directory/fragment" :name "some/relative/path")) 23:13:26 -!- alfons [~alfons@pool-173-77-207-173.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: alfons] 23:13:31 look at the hyperspec. the way CL handles pathing is relatively weird. 23:13:44 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-210-15-1.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:22 although it's the most sensible of any library I've seen 23:14:52 the weirdness index is relative to the way pathing is handled in all other systems anybody is likely to have been exposed to. :) 23:15:17 LiamH [~healy@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 23:16:00 the example in the hyperspec is (make-pathname :direcory '(:absolute "public" "games") :name "chess" :type "db") 23:16:13 => #P"/public/games/chess.db" 23:16:26 exactly, it's more sensible than any of them :) 23:17:31 well, I'm off to start the feast. Merry Christmas to those that celebrate it, and Happy Holiday to those that don't! 23:17:32 the :type thing is difficult to deal with, because some FSes (like FAT) make them structural elements whereas some (like Unix and Mac) make them conventions 23:17:41 enjoy 23:17:43 ! 23:18:28 sadly a RTFM shows the pathnames in an asdf configuration MUST be absolute 23:18:44 what? 23:18:56 what asdf configuration? oh you mean the search path? 23:19:21 yes 23:19:28 hmm 23:19:37 must be one of the mistakes Fare was talking about :) 23:19:59 anyway, current directory is a difficult thing to deal with in CL 23:20:15 actually, in any application other than one explicitly intended to be a single-threaded shell 23:20:30 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:21:13 you really should symlink them to some specific path and go from there 23:21:54 -!- az [~az@p4FE4FD15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:21:59 if you're trying to load something interactively while developing on it, emacs can expand to an absolute path anyway 23:24:53 could anyone tell me why does this crashes when reading אטלעש? http://paste.lisp.org/+2J2H 23:25:41 reading this file http://www.winedt.org/Dict/it.zip 23:27:36 -!- pattern [~pattern@unaffiliated/pattern] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:28:15 Blkt: I suspect stream encodiing 23:28:25 fade will do 23:28:28 try '(unsigned-byte 8) 23:28:33 knobo` [~user@ti0073a340-1561.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 23:28:37 :element-type? 23:28:37 on that note, I'm out. night folks 23:28:56 night and thanks 23:29:18 -!- Dmsy [~somebody@d075194.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:29:23 maybe the iso-8859 encoding in that file is wreaking havoc with your utf-8 reading. 23:30:37 -!- knobo [~user@ti0073a340-1561.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:30:49 '(unsigned-byte 8) fails badly telling me that "# is not a character input stream" 23:31:10 how may I solve it? 23:34:24 sacho [~sacho@87-126-6-67.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 23:35:01 -!- LiamH [~healy@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:37:05 change your call to OPEN 23:37:07 (format t "Merry Christmas~a!!!" (if (> (get-local-gmt-offset) 1) "" " Eve")) 23:37:36 how? 23:37:41 with-open-file (...? 23:37:44 Blkt: you can specify an external format in there 23:37:45 yeah 23:38:11 have you thought of RTFM so you're at least familiar with what you're doing there? 23:38:31 I just didn't find the FM part 23:38:37 look at your paste 23:38:46 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_open.htm#open 23:38:47 it links to the FM when lisppaste parses it 23:39:03 or you can do... 23:39:06 clhs open 23:39:13 (or are the bots gone?) 23:39:18 y 23:39:33 you can also use google: "hyperspec open" 23:39:40 rahul, the bots are not around much these days 23:39:41 thanks 23:39:48 Blkt: you pretty much just want :external-format :iso-8859-1 23:39:48 gotta run 23:39:54 some sort of industrial action 23:40:11 darn commies, hehe 23:40:19 O_o 23:40:41 thanks rahul 23:40:50 thanks guys 23:45:53 mattrepl [~mattrepl@c-24-125-115-203.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:49:31 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:50:06 -!- krzysz00 [~user@pool-71-252-233-89.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:46 thanks schmx, that solved my problem 23:56:11 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56:27 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:59:55 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@host81-156-238-62.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]