00:00:22 Good morning everyone! 00:01:34 rfg [~rfg@client-80-5-174-12.glw-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has joined #lisp 00:01:41 singintime [~singintim@164.132.24.142] has joined #lisp 00:02:07 -!- singintime [~singintim@164.132.24.142] has left #lisp 00:04:31 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-99-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:18 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:07:40 morning plage 00:09:14 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:16 it's certainly not morning here 00:13:22 -!- s1ugg0 [~chris@net-216-37-86-189.in-addr.worldspice.net] has quit [Quit: ninja......VANISH!] 00:13:38 :( 00:15:01 -!- rfg [~rfg@client-80-5-174-12.glw-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has quit [Quit: rfg] 00:15:32 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 00:15:38 -!- vasile [~vasile@ool-4570abc6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:16:58 alama [~alama@a79-169-88-168.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 00:23:45 -!- TheSeparateOne [~jeffrey@ip72-207-124-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:20 silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:08 vasile [~vasile@ool-4570abc6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:25:59 I am calling a function that returns a stream to a file. I'd like to know the name of that file. How might I find it out? Thanks. 00:26:26 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-189-133.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:49 (pathname my-stream) 00:26:59 rme: Thank you very much. 00:27:25 kanru [~kanru@61-228-154-25.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 00:27:38 vasile_ [~vasile@ool-4570abc6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:00 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-139-25.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:29:18 skeptomai [~cb@ip65-47-31-86.z31-47-65.customer.algx.net] has joined #lisp 00:31:10 plage` [~user@113.161.65.230] has joined #lisp 00:32:06 -!- plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:33:57 -!- alama [~alama@a79-169-88-168.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: alama] 00:37:46 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:44:39 -!- Guest78171 [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-51-131.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 00:45:52 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d00267b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the 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[Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:15 hm, I have these lines in my .sbclrc http://sprunge.us/fJDX?cl and fasls are now winding up in both the directory i specify as well as in the source dir, is there another step i'm missing? 02:05:27 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:06:05 linuxadd [~linuxadd@c-24-125-178-151.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:48 -!- linuxadd [~linuxadd@c-24-125-178-151.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:48 <_3b> i think stuff compiled with C-c C-k in slime ends up in the source dir 02:10:14 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@212-183-41-124.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 02:10:37 ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 02:11:01 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:11:55 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 02:12:21 xavieran 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become a smug lisp weenie. I have already started saying "pfft, LISP did that in the 70s" when anyone mentions a feature of their favourite language. what's the next step? 03:02:51 -!- juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:02:55 -!- lewis17111 is now known as lewis1711 03:03:21 coming here to pat yourself on the back was the next step 03:03:43 shit this is going nicely then 03:05:43 http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/2010/12/iosketch-progress.html here's my latest on the visual lisp 03:05:51 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-22-67.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10:12 -!- jimrthy_ is now known as jimrthy 03:10:28 fusss [~fusss@1.148.209.49] has joined #lisp 03:11:08 BrianRice` [~water@97-120-157-86.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:11:11 austinh: herep. do you check your info@.com email? 03:11:21 fusss: yes 03:11:28 ahhh, you're HERE :-) 03:11:56 austinh: mate, can I bug you in private for a quick second? 03:12:04 fusss: sure 03:12:08 cheers! 03:12:23 I like to bugger men in private for a few seconds sometimes 03:12:26 relieves tension 03:13:10 *fds* coughs 03:14:09 s1ugg0 [~chris@c-75-64-77-87.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:43 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 03:19:49 xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-194-38.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:20:33 -!- BrianRice` [~water@97-120-157-86.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 03:22:27 -!- fusss [~fusss@1.148.209.49] has left #lisp 03:23:00 mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:23:21 -!- mindCrime_ is now known as mindCrime 03:24:16 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 03:30:35 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:32:28 mheld [~mheld@c-71-232-39-101.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:23 -!- guidj0s [~gdjs@187.39.191.205] has quit [Quit: I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure.] 03:37:58 new-lisper [~daniel@c95334ae.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 03:39:20 cowhm [~Android@241.sub-174-254-4.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 03:41:19 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.103.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:42:52 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.102.116] has joined #lisp 03:48:35 -!- cowhm [~Android@241.sub-174-254-4.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 03:50:50 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.102.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:52:13 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.101.170] has joined #lisp 03:56:29 LinGmnZ [LinGmnZ@ppp-27-55-93-182.revip3.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 03:57:35 -!- stdDoubt [~ptiago@a79-169-47-40.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:04:15 DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #lisp 04:05:02 SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 04:05:55 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-72-75-117-4.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:07:08 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:10:09 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-146-134.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:10:31 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-146-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:12:59 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-189-133.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:13:01 au9ustin1 [~au9ustine@61.155.18.17] has joined #lisp 04:13:01 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.226.41] has joined #lisp 04:13:33 spacemanaki [~aki@cpe-68-175-63-237.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:15:49 -!- au9ustin1 [~au9ustine@61.155.18.17] has quit [Client Quit] 04:20:09 -!- jimrthy [~jimrthy@ip68-13-249-220.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #lisp 04:20:10 -!- lewis1711 [~lewis@222-155-24-247.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has left #lisp 04:20:24 fusss [~fusss@1.144.120.244] has joined #lisp 04:21:01 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-146-134.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:21:10 hi, is there a way to iterate over the a CXML-DOM:ATTRIBUTE-NODE-MAP? sort of like maphash or mapcar? 04:21:29 -!- kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:10 -!- spacemanaki [~aki@cpe-68-175-63-237.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: spacemanaki] 04:22:51 gaah, it's called MAP-NODE-MAP; sort of rhymes with RUN-FOREST-RUN 04:23:04 spacemanaki [~aki@cpe-68-175-63-237.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:23:07 no wonder apropos didn't help 04:24:10 sabalaba [~sabalaba@119.57.31.97] has joined #lisp 04:26:18 lol 04:31:11 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@119.57.31.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34:07 HASH-TABLE-WARN-IF-NEEDS-REHASH-AFTER-GC , is there a longer ANSI CL function name? 04:34:12 jleija [~jleija@c-98-200-236-23.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:34:37 new-lisper: that's not an ANSI symbol 04:35:06 it isn't? 04:35:29 no, anything that even remotely hints a platform details is probably not in the standard 04:35:43 oh 04:35:51 new-lisper: finding out the longest function name is actually 2-3 lines :-) 04:35:58 hint: DO-ALL-SYMBOLS 04:36:27 oh, that's disappointing 04:37:05 even call-with-current-continuation is longer 04:37:29 I expected more from Common Lisp (: 04:39:59 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.52.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:40:46 new-lisper: I found this gem CCL::STRING-OUTPUT-STREAM-IOBLOCK-WRITE-CHAR-WITHOUT-TRANSLATION-WHEN-LOCKED-FUNCTION 04:41:36 new-lisper: What made you think that is an ANSI symbol? 04:41:41 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.170.46] has joined #lisp 04:42:06 new-lisper: longest ansi function name is UPDATE-INSTANCE-FOR-REDEFINED-CLASS 04:42:28 well, I was at clisp, typed "hash-table-" and tab completion 04:43:18 new-lisper: tied with the longest non-function UPDATE-INSTANCE-FOR-REDEFINED-CLASS at 35 characters 04:43:42 -!- eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has quit [Quit: eugu] 04:44:50 sabalaba [~sabalaba@119.57.31.96] has joined #lisp 04:49:51 new-lisper: if you're a beginner; you might find writing a LONGEST-NAME function a worthy exercise. It will make a few things clear; strings, symbols, names, variables, function, what it means to be "bound", exported symbols, packages, etc. 04:49:56 mahmul [~mrw@user-0can1en.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 04:51:21 ok 04:52:00 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A3248.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:54 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-71-232-39-101.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 05:00:11 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.226.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:05:29 -!- decaf [~mehmet@78.163.165.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:31 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 05:16:25 -!- mahmul [~mrw@user-0can1en.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 05:18:06 plediii [~plediii@nat-168-7-234-250.rice.edu] has joined #lisp 05:20:39 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@119.57.31.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:21:00 sabalaba [~sabalaba@119.57.31.96] has joined #lisp 05:23:26 sohail [~Adium@76-10-147-73.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 05:23:29 -!- sohail [~Adium@76-10-147-73.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 05:23:30 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 05:23:30 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Client Quit] 05:24:02 -!- fusss [~fusss@1.144.120.244] has left #lisp 05:34:27 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-136-44.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:35:11 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-117-52.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:35:49 -!- plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:41:12 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:51:05 -!- austinh [~austinh@c-67-189-92-40.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:57:48 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 06:00:18 mheld [~mheld@74.61.205.248] has joined #lisp 06:02:26 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:05:27 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-146-134.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:08:53 -!- mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:09:10 -!- sellout [~greg@212.3.9.50] has quit [Quit: sellout] 06:09:37 SsvRrwQ [~user@S0106001c1122940c.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:15:20 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 06:15:59 Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has joined #lisp 06:16:56 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-233-195-101.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 06:23:16 plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has joined #lisp 06:23:42 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-146-134.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 06:29:15 -!- Salamander__ is now known as Salamander 06:32:26 -!- spacemanaki [~aki@cpe-68-175-63-237.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: spacemanaki] 06:35:23 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:36:57 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-207-121.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:40:39 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 06:43:39 az [~az@p4FE4FBA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 06:44:40 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8103C6.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:45:58 -!- mheld [~mheld@74.61.205.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:47:25 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host127-230-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:35 -!- jleija [~jleija@c-98-200-236-23.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: good night everyone] 06:51:53 lclark [~user@cpe-76-90-46-193.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:52:48 -!- srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56:26 s1ugg0` [~chris@c-75-64-77-87.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:56:26 -!- s1ugg0 [~chris@c-75-64-77-87.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:34 -!- s1ugg0` is now known as s1ugg0 06:59:09 -!- Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE002401755b76-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:01:40 very good lisp coding music, I assure you, http://tinyurl.com/3xymd4m 07:09:04 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:10:06 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:12:59 dimas [~dimas@46.56.244.136] has joined #lisp 07:18:35 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:21:04 -!- Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:22:23 wharzl [~wharzl@c-98-207-21-18.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:22:39 what's a good gc algorithm for soft real time applications? 07:26:43 Intensity [y5LHJsYmHh@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 07:35:04 wharzl: Something related to Baker's treadmill. 07:35:40 wharzl: But these days you probably want something that is per-thread for young generations. 07:38:14 wharzl: For that, look at the articles by Doligez & Leroy. 07:38:32 ty :) 07:38:46 ywlcm :( 07:39:53 PCChris [~PCChris@cpe-69-135-187-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 07:42:51 I wish my operating system had a dedicated collector. :( 07:46:03 oom killer? 07:48:14 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 07:52:22 Quadrescence: I wish my operating system were one that needed a garbage collector, i.e. one that's not simply a tree of byte arrays. 07:58:16 plage: what is your OS 07:59:35 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 07:59:35 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 07:59:35 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:59:44 Linux. 07:59:47 -!- tic [~tic@c83-249-196-184.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:01 plage: certainly you need GC too! 08:00:36 Nope. Reference counting is enough because there can be no cycles in the graph. 08:00:54 [we silently overlook symbolic links] 08:01:02 plage: don't you use gtk or something 08:01:42 Quadrescence: Now you are talking applications, and not the OS, right? 08:02:16 I guess so, but naturally an application has to call kernel functions to allocate space and whatever 08:02:59 Well, I meant my OS, as in I will my OS could handle a graph of abritrary objects and GC them for me. 08:03:17 s/will/wish/ 08:06:15 -!- tvaalen [~r@terminal.se] has quit [Changing host] 08:06:15 tvaalen [~r@unaffiliated/tvaal] has joined #lisp 08:06:54 -!- SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:08:26 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:08:43 iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.4] has joined #lisp 08:08:59 -!- lclark [~user@cpe-76-90-46-193.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14:10 -!- murilasso [~murilasso@201.53.192.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:15:16 murilasso [~murilasso@201.53.192.190] has joined #lisp 08:17:28 LinGmnZ8 [LinGmnZ@ppp-223-24-156-124.revip6.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 08:18:34 -!- LinGmnZ [LinGmnZ@ppp-27-55-93-182.revip3.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:21:22 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-216-182.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:22:08 -!- jhuni [~jhuni@udp217774uds.hawaiiantel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:11 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:26:28 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-yzoupgghnqjzduwn] has joined #lisp 08:28:03 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 08:36:04 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@119.57.31.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:36:25 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 08:40:16 HET2 [~diman@host81-149-242-213.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #lisp 08:43:35 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 08:49:01 sabalaba [~sabalaba@119.57.31.97] has joined #lisp 08:50:11 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:52:56 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-22-120.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:33 can someone tell me whereall is the lisp cache maintained on debian? i'm using quicklisp, and even after clearing all cache from ~/.cache/common-lisp, it's still picking up stuff from my old clbuild path; i'm certain that neither my .emacs (for slime), nor my .sbclrc mention clbuild 08:53:42 argiopeweb_ [~elliot@adsl-65-165-22.dab.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 08:54:59 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-71-120.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 09:01:22 -!- TraumaPrincess is now known as TraumaPony 09:11:37 mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:15:15 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.14.176] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:24:37 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 09:26:23 When I do (load "stumpwm.lisp") I get the following error message: 09:26:27 The name "STUMPWM" does not designate any package. 09:28:32 ivan-kanis: That probably means that in stumpwm.lisp, there are references to that package, and that that package has not been created before, and isn't in that file either. 09:28:36 ivan-kanis: and what does this message tell you? 09:30:26 hmm what's the function for defining a package? 09:31:11 kenjin [~kenjin@211.177.89.126] has joined #lisp 09:31:12 ivan-kanis: Let's do this differently. Did you read some documentation that said that this was the good way of getting the functionality in that file? 09:31:24 -!- kenjin is now known as mujii 09:31:31 -!- mujii is now known as muji 09:32:45 plage: there isn't any documenation on getting a REPL with stumpwm 09:33:32 plage: I would like to hack stumpwm, I don't know much about CL 09:34:02 ivan-kanis: I'd start by reading a nice book about CL, then 09:34:35 you won't get very far by blindly stumbling around like you do now 09:34:36 cmm: I've read practical CL a year ago 09:34:49 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:35:12 doesn't seem like much of it stuck, I'm saddened to say 09:35:20 :D 09:35:30 it was more than a year ago ;) 09:35:50 I don't know stumpwm, but I googled it and found a README file that says nothing about (load "stumpwm.lisp") in order to install stumpwm. 09:37:23 plage: i compiled stumpwm and ran it sucessfully, now I am trying to set up a REPL to 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the books he hosts, too! 16:11:25 cmm: peter seibel itself? 16:11:38 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.71.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:12:41 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.56.156.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:13:12 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.157.218] has joined #lisp 16:13:25 himself, yes 16:14:47 mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:01 -!- ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.114.238.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:15:10 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.101.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:15:15 cmm: lol I've just bought is book a couple of weeks ago lol 16:15:25 is/his 16:16:22 lnostdal [~Lars@218.80-202-49.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:17:14 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.96.71] has joined #lisp 16:18:34 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-228-154-25.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:19:12 homie` [~user@xdsl-84-44-210-158.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:20:33 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-146-134.netcologne.de] has 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Jut got Peter Kogge's "Architechture of Symbol Computers" in the mail :) 17:16:51 gigamonkey's ANSI history talk inspired me to learn more. 17:21:38 mon_key: ? 17:22:27 mon_key: are you referring to skiena's or gigamonkey books? 17:23:36 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp3255.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 17:26:22 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:38 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:53 Posterdati: Neither, was refering to ISBN 0-07-035596-7. But, as the subject at hand was lisp books and one just arrived in the mail I thought I'd chime in :) 17:29:25 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:29:28 mon_key: I could not find a book store for g. steele book 17:29:55 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30:09 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-226.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:31:01 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo] 17:31:21 Posterdati: well, obv. you have an internet connection. So... 17:31:22 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@87-226.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:33:39 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 17:34:22 mon_key: I found a latex/ps/pdf version, but I like the book :) 17:44:21 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.97.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:45:42 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 17:46:18 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.101.235] has joined #lisp 17:47:56 parolang [~user@c-64-246-121-114.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 17:50:20 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 17:51:17 me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-227-60.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:49 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@cpe-69-135-187-90.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:57:11 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.101.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:57:23 Mmm, i've started hunchentoot with: (hunchentoot:start (make-instance ...)), how do i stop it? 17:57:54 I'm thinking of (hunchentoot:stop ...) but how do i refer to the instance? 17:58:13 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 17:58:35 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 17:58:45 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.100.55] has joined #lisp 17:58:52 how do i debug step by step? (I am using sbcl) 17:58:55 Joreji [~thomas@87-226.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:59:55 ivan-kanis: technically there is a stepper in sbcl and a slime interface to it, but I don't know of anyone who's ever got it to work 18:00:14 it works, fsvo 18:00:16 ah well 18:00:37 ivan-kanis: just sprinkle (break) in interesting places 18:01:03 cmm: ok that's what i was doing 18:01:51 stassats: fsvo ? 18:01:53 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:03:43 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-119-11.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:04:46 -!- V-ille [~ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe4efb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06:41 mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:51 sunnyps [~sunnyps@199.snat-111-91-127.hns.net.in] has joined #lisp 18:11:55 V-ille [~ville@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe4efb00-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:12:27 -!- pavelludiq [57f63ac1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:13:07 rfg [~rfg@client-86-16-212-235.glw-bng-11.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:14:37 Xach: quicklisp question: what's your reference implementation when it comes to determine that "it compiles" for a ql "dist"? 18:15:02 francogrex [~user@109.130.71.47] has joined #lisp 18:15:24 Xach: or rather: how many packages in the latest dist don't compile on ABCL? 18:16:11 ehu: I believe sbcl is Xach's main dist, but he checks on a bunch. CCL and Clisp, for sure. 18:16:41 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:15 I'm asking because I'm receiving a "does not build" report for ABCL - presumably with the latest dist. 18:18:22 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:24 _3b, |3b|: have you done any more work on parenscript SLIME or slime-proxy? I left my changes in a buggy state 18:24:43 <_3b> gonzojive: don't see any local changes, so whatever is on github should be it... don't really remember if i made changes last time i used it or not 18:25:10 cool thansk 18:26:00 -!- rfg [~rfg@client-86-16-212-235.glw-bng-11.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rfg] 18:27:38 I'm trying to get ideas (maybe even a library for that exists). I started writing this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117823 my aim is to have two subjects connect to a server and when both input their passwords a file is ready to be opened and either one can use the file. 18:27:58 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.100.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:28:08 -!- iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:12 francogrex: that exists. 18:28:15 but i want the passwords to be hidden 18:28:19 francogrex: it's called Google Docs 18:28:20 ehu: ok 18:28:26 oh 18:28:34 yeah...but.. 18:28:58 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.102.11] has joined #lisp 18:29:17 is privacy garanteed there! I know on my site it will be 18:31:57 will it? 18:32:35 to a certain extent yes because I control who visits the site. 18:34:24 the thing that is blocking me is: I want some sort of an encrypted file/program to store the passwords and then whe then users enters his/her pass it goes to that file/program and verifies it's ok... 18:34:29 -!- wobster [~wobster@dslb-188-101-080-076.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:40 -!- sunnyps [~sunnyps@199.snat-111-91-127.hns.net.in] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:34:57 I'm just thinking out loud here... but i'll try to see what they did at google docs 18:36:37 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@145.120.22.20] has joined #lisp 18:38:36 *francogrex* found this for encryptions http://folk.uio.no/jornv/aes/aes.html 18:40:22 PCChris [~PCChris@cpe-69-135-187-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:40:38 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:43:20 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@88.116.134.106] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 18:48:48 Do you want to manage the lock at your web interface only, or do you want to encrypt the files? 18:49:01 IIRC gpg can be used to do that. 18:51:42 also encrypt the files 18:52:06 ok 18:52:34 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@201.102.56.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:32 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 18:56:19 Well the OR case is trivial, just add various --recipient. The AND case can be implemented by ordering the recipients and encripting the files successively with each. 18:56:38 If you get it at the library level, you should be able to do that on the key instead of on the data. 18:56:57 Google for multi key encryption 18:57:06 sellout [~greg@195.54.148.98] has joined #lisp 18:59:52 ok; I'm aiming for the AND. I'm already seeing a lot of google hits for multi key encryption; gives me material to read 19:02:53 jeti [~user@62-87-57-251.red-acceso.airtel.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:45 iwillig [~ivan@ool-18b944f4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:22 tcr1 [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:04:22 kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:16 does anyone here know paper or book on how to write user-extensible macros? does On Lisp cover this? 19:08:47 urandom__ [~user@p548A3588.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:13 ecraven: What is a user-extensible macro? 19:09:14 what does "user-extensible macros" even mean? 19:09:25 ecraven: the iterate package may be useful to you. http://common-lisp.net/project/iterate/ 19:09:26 heh 19:09:41 *schmx* would think all open source was user-extensible ;) 19:12:59 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:49 i'm not sure how to describe it. my use case is this: i have a macro DEFINE-CLASS, which has a list of calass options. these are not predefined, users that define metaclasses later may want to add more options (for example an option to make this class persistent). how do i design the original macro, so that later users can extend whatever it expands to? 19:13:57 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:13:59 is this even possible in a good way? 19:15:27 &allow-other-keys ? 19:15:45 *schmx* didn't even understand what was wanted. 19:16:46 ecraven: Do you have an example? 19:22:20 -!- Frakk [~Frakk@host110-49-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Frakk] 19:22:44 -!- LinGmnZ [LinGmnZ@ppp-223-24-2-179.revip6.asianet.co.th] has quit [] 19:24:02 well, normally (define-class foo (superclasses) (slots)) should expand to (make foo (superclasses) (slots)) but i, as the user of that library, want to be able to specify some more code that (define-class foo (superclasses) (slots) (persistent T)) expands to (for example by defining or registering a function somewhere) 19:25:34 ecraven: Did you forget &KEY before (persistent T)? 19:25:47 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:19 -!- spacemanaki [~aki@cpe-68-175-63-237.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:28 spacemanaki [~aki@cpe-68-175-63-237.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:02 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:15 ecraven: CFFI contains a protocol to steer the expansion of its FOREIGN-FUNCALL 19:30:29 upwardindex [~Adium@modemcable004.209-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:30:32 rfg [~rfg@client-80-5-172-212.glw-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:05 thijso [~thijs@83.98.233.115] has joined #lisp 19:37:07 I think ecraven would benefit from looking at the link i sent him; look at the code of the library and learn 19:38:03 that is if he really means extensible macros (as opposed to extensible whatever) 19:40:09 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 19:42:57 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 19:42:59 I wish SBCL's ASSERT was smarter 19:43:17 netytan [~netytan@host86-175-234-39.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 19:43:22 (assert (F X Y)) could show the value of X and Y 19:43:28 francogrex: i will, thanks for the link! 19:43:33 Frakk [~Frakk@host234-56-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:46:29 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:48:47 -!- Genosh [~Genosh@189.Red-83-37-197.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:49:30 why would i want to use a hashtable instead of a vector/array as the slot storage for an object? isn't it bad design to have a class with many slots that aren't used normally? 19:50:31 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:ddfc] has quit [] 19:53:25 daniel__1 [~daniel@p5082A321.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:00 ecraven: Hashtable does seem an easy way to get keys for lookup. 19:54:34 ecraven: there are some use cases where most instance differ very little from some initial state. 19:54:44 -!- daniel___ [~daniel@p5B326360.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:55:05 pkhuong: could you mention an example? 19:57:50 charliekilo [~charlieki@pool-96-236-149-254.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:03 ecraven: anything with lazy initialisation. ISTR a paper that applied this transformation to java bytecode with interesting results. 19:58:12 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:09 -!- vasile [~vasile@ool-4570abc6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:00:11 -!- pierrep [~ppasteau@bas1-montreal43-2925384990.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:01:14 -!- vasile_ [~vasile@ool-4570abc6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:05:12 -!- sellout [~greg@195.54.148.98] has quit [Quit: sellout] 20:05:14 -!- parolang [~user@c-64-246-121-114.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:06:07 ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@208.13.gr6.adsl.brightview.com] has joined #lisp 20:07:32 parolang [~user@c-64-246-121-114.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:38 mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:08:56 -!- spacemanaki [~aki@cpe-68-175-63-237.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: spacemanaki] 20:09:31 ehu: sbcl is the main 20:09:36 -!- ziarkaen__ [~ziarkaen@183.52.125.91.rb3.adsl.brightview.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:09:46 ehu: it would be interesting to gather the stats for all CLs, but i haven't done that yet 20:10:37 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 20:11:06 Xach: ok. np. 20:11:13 Xach: lemme know if you need help. 20:13:24 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:28 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:13:28 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 20:14:16 -!- jeti [~user@62-87-57-251.red-acceso.airtel.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:14:28 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 20:15:12 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:19 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@212-183-32-158.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 20:19:44 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.71.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:25 Xach: hi 20:25:58 I'm trying to program a bottle tagger, via barcodes, and classifier 20:26:05 using sbcl 20:28:41 Posterdati: sweet 20:28:49 iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.4] has joined #lisp 20:28:52 ehu: sure! gather all stats for abcl :) 20:29:57 right. is there infrastructure for QL to draw from? specific things I need to know? 20:30:00 ehu: anything that doesn't build, save a backtrace and report to the author with a patch, or patch abcl's bug 20:30:33 Xach: problem is that I need to assign a position to every bottle without use the barcode on the bottle itself 20:30:48 *ehu* sees a hell-of-a-lot-of-work coming his way... guesses it's good for ABCL though. 20:30:53 ehu: the way i test is to build a hash table that maps system-name => pathname and plug that into asdf's system search stuff 20:31:22 ehu: for each system, i start a new instance of sbcl with that asdf setup, then try to load the system 20:31:33 ehu: if it fails, i save the compilation log and fail backtrace 20:31:42 ok. 20:31:50 lots of manual work, I see. 20:32:18 -!- parolang [~user@c-64-246-121-114.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:22 I suppose that can only be automated with intimate knowledge of the implementation? 20:32:30 Well, I have that down to (recrank) in sbcl. 20:32:44 oh! 20:32:45 But it's not portable, lots of run-programs and some custom sbcl executables. 20:32:56 ok. 20:33:03 well, we have run-program too. 20:33:21 (not with the exact same semantics, but... that can be dealt with) 20:33:49 ehu: do you have a --batch or --disable-debugger equivalent? that is, quit with backtrace on errors? 20:34:02 yes. 20:34:12 we have batch. 20:34:24 vasile [~vasile@ool-4570abc6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:32 c|mell [~cmell@cpc3-colc5-0-0-cust193.7-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:34:33 vasile_ [~vasile@ool-4570abc6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:35 not disable debugger, but I think I can mold --batch to include the backtrace. 20:34:41 that should help indeed. 20:34:52 (our --batch just got fixed :-) 20:35:14 I guess most of your work revolves around batch and run-program? 20:35:49 pretty much. 20:36:02 ok. then I know what to do. 20:36:17 doesn't quicklisp build the mapping table from system names to paths? 20:36:19 oh. 20:36:26 do you sort by dependency? 20:36:28 ehu: that can be used for that, yes. 20:36:31 ie lower levels first? 20:36:39 ehu: no, i go alphabetically. 20:37:01 ah. that's good to know. I can do that without problems. 20:37:01 i don't try to do more than one specific system per instance. 20:37:13 even though that system may involve compile & load of many others. 20:37:17 right. the instance is polluted after that. 20:37:33 sellout [~greg@212.3.9.50] has joined #lisp 20:37:34 ok. thanks for the info! 20:38:08 pierrep [~ppasteau@65.95.13.127] has joined #lisp 20:38:25 ehu: i have a lot of little functions i can use to do this from the repl. 20:38:55 do you have them publicly? 20:39:02 like (update-and-crank 'cl-unicode) will check out the latest, set up the build environment, try a build, and report success/failure. and (failtail 'cl-unicode) shows the last N lines of the compilation log. 20:39:03 I mean, could I draw off your experience? 20:39:19 not yet. it's a mishmash of stuff. 20:40:52 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 20:41:15 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time 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[~PCChris@cpe-69-135-187-90.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:48:44 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0112d3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:38 hi 21:52:27 [ot] can anyone recomend a static blogging software? 21:56:14 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:56:24 billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:00:31 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-29.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 22:03:14 prxq: I'm very happy with movable type 22:03:24 have been using it for a couple of years, and it is pretty good 22:03:28 Genosh [~Genosh@189.Red-83-37-197.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:03:56 you can turn off all the dynamic features, and I don't think I noticed any break-ins yet (: 22:04:12 antifuchs: ok :) 22:04:41 or maybe you'll like www.metastatic.org/source/blog/ 22:05:09 prxq: I use pyblosxom. 22:05:16 i was thinking of trying jekyll 22:05:35 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 22:05:37 (and a really hacked up latex->html conversion step) 22:05:46 ow :) 22:06:16 insomniaSalt: does it do rss? 22:06:34 *prxq* googles for pyblosxom 22:07:23 yeahhh, I tried pyblosxom, but it seemed like a pain (: 22:07:28 prxq: no 22:07:44 ah, it's probably even at the same version number (: 22:10:11 any idea which engine this blog uses? http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/ 22:10:25 What is a static blog? 22:10:33 (it's a fairly decent blog, btw) 22:10:54 pjb: one that is served exclusively as static content 22:10:58 pjb: one that renders all the content pages into html files served by apache or similar 22:10:58 no CGI, etc 22:11:04 I just write HTML pages. It's my static blog. 22:11:24 http://www.informatimago.com/articles/ 22:11:28 sure enough. In the olden days I didn't need a compiler either 22:11:29 prxq: blosxom. 22:12:01 pkhuong: ok, thanks 22:14:40 gigamonkey: I found your book very interesting. I started to use Lisp quickly learning it by examples. 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Finally found out how to integrate ABCL with an Ant based build for a mixed Java/Lisp app! 22:51:19 francogrex: i don't think i've ever saw him here 22:51:45 francogrex: but you surely can leave a comment on that post, can't you? 22:53:34 stassats: ok. it's quite an old post. I'll try to send him an email 22:53:55 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-119-11.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 22:54:24 francogrex: livejournal by default has notifications for however old posts 22:55:16 ok left him a comment 22:55:30 -!- GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-26-27.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:33 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.72.165] has quit [Quit: it's getting late] 22:58:59 is there a sorted, destructive list insertion in CL ? 22:59:32 billitch: merge 22:59:41 not that its complicated to write but i feel like reinventing the wheel 23:00:32 austinh: nice, thanks 23:00:58 looking at the clhs, I don't think merge does that 23:01:46 sharps: Why not? 23:02:06 um 23:02:14 fuck, how do I say this 23:03:12 (merge 'list (list thing-to-insert) sorted-list #'<) 23:03:31 yes, I see how it would work as a sorted list insert 23:03:48 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.98.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:04:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-132-58-68.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:04:49 it doesn't work if you want to insert into a list as a side effect, as opposed to getting a new list that may or may not share structure with the old one 23:05:15 I know this, because this actually came up for something I did and I wrote a sorted destructive list insert 23:05:18 sharps: Yes, that is never something that you would expect. 23:05:20 that's predictivly destructive 23:05:38 because I wanted that behaviour 23:06:03 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.99.87] has joined #lisp 23:06:39 sharps: But what if the new item sorts first? The argument will still be pointing to the old list. 23:06:40 lclark [~user@cpe-76-90-46-193.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:07:17 7win 31 23:08:20 sharps: EG, (let ((list (list 4 7 9))) (side-effecting-insert 2 list #'<) (print list)) 23:10:27 Oh, nm, I see how you can make it happen  but still, it's pretty un-lispy. 23:10:40 *sellout* isn't much of a REPLACA guy. 23:11:25 yep, it is rather unlispy 23:12:21 but the whole idea of relying on side effects seems rather unlispy too 23:12:37 sharps: Yeah, that's what I mean :) 23:12:41 oh, ok 23:13:40 -!- lclark [~user@cpe-76-90-46-193.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:59 yeah, I'm explicitly keeping two pointers into the same (sorted) list, while adding items into it 23:14:26 the whole thing is rather unlispy 23:14:47 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-29.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:25 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-134-3-25.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 23:19:16 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:19:33 sharps: What do you do when you want to insert into the empty list? 23:19:47 [and Good morning everyone!] 23:20:25 -!- Edward_ [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-60-86.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 23:21:56 -!- Patzy [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:21:59 good morning plage 23:23:23 morning plage 23:24:08 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:16 ziarkaen__ [~ziarkaen@61.72.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:19 -!- churib [~tg@dslc-082-082-108-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:27:31 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 23:28:31 -!- ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.112.169.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:32:24 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:27 hi plage 23:35:10 plage: looking at the code I've got, it just returns a fresh list of one item 23:40:05 -!- plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:43:16 Patzy [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:27 plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has joined #lisp 23:46:25 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:47:07 sharps: You seem to alternate between describing current behavior and describing requirements. 23:47:07 -!- sharps [~user@ip-118-90-25-99.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:24 Oh, well! 23:48:11 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:48:33 -!- Frakk [~Frakk@host234-56-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Frakk] 23:49:20 sharps [~user@ip-118-90-25-99.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 23:51:16 sharps: I said: You seem to alternate between describing current behavior and describing requirements. 23:57:39 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@cpe-69-135-187-90.woh.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:53 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-119-11.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:58:00 davazp [~user@3.Red-83-46-6.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:58:44 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]