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You can find it on cll. 01:31:40 drdo: for example: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/ca5cc609bce2c4c2?hl=en 01:31:49 -!- markovchain [~markovcha@ip68-3-159-71.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:32:34 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A66B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:33:07 -!- mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33:39 homogenous list? 01:33:48 oh, like each element is the same type? 01:37:16 So to have each element of the same type, you'd be restricted basically to (make-list len :initial-element object). 01:37:30 ;-) 01:39:28 markovchain [~markovcha@ip68-3-159-71.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:40:40 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Quit: we are not amused] 01:40:40 kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #lisp 01:41:12 mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:42:00 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Quit:] 01:42:55 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.1.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:43:44 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 01:43:47 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.59.81] has joined #lisp 01:46:38 Will Cusp work in Eclipse with java 6? 01:46:43 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 01:47:07 (loop for element on nil by (progn (print "Is it well-defined according to the standard whether this print statement will ever get executed?") #'cdr)) 01:47:50 -!- felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:54 <_3b> "step-fun---a form that evaluates to a function of one argument." sounds like it should 01:48:54 Ocaso [~chatzilla@203.156.243.14] has joined #lisp 01:49:07 <_3b> ah, missed the "on nil" part 01:49:35 pjb: I just needed a type for type checking 01:49:37 Hexstream: your form has an invalid syntax, therefore it's aa PROGRAM-ERROR. 01:49:46 How so? 01:50:05 drdo: (deftype homogeneous-list (element-type) ...) 01:50:21 pjb: Well, obviously, i was just asking before if it already existed :P 01:51:01 drdo: there's one complexity, that satisfies takes a symbol as argument, so that you have to generate a function named by a unique name or a gensym and pass that symbol to satisfies. But this is not hard to do. 01:51:22 -!- powerje [~powerj@adsl-75-60-229-24.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 01:51:28 Yeah, i've done something similar before 01:51:40 Hexstream: oops, sorry, I expected a do before the progn. 01:53:36 -!- skalawag [~user@c75-111-102-202.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has left #lisp 01:54:32 I guess worst case, I'll copy SBCL's behavior (the print statement gets executed). After some thought that does seem like the least surprising behavior. Optimizing for the very rare case where you never execute the body of the loop is not very useful. 01:54:56 *_3b* wouldn't expect sane code to do enough work there to be worth optimizing anyway 01:55:11 Definitely! 01:57:07 Hexstream: I don't see wording about the execution of these terms. It could also be executed every time it's needed... 01:57:35 I very much doubt the latter! 01:57:55 Why not? 01:58:05 It could use constantp too... 01:58:31 A question of convention. The function could be cheap to execute but expensive to compute. 01:58:38 by (progn (incf counter) (function cdr)) ... 01:59:09 TheSeparateOne [~jeffrey@ip72-207-124-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:35 by (lambda (list) (incf counter) (cdr list)) 02:00:33 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:04:08 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-168-32.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:05:30 -!- Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-70-78.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 02:06:21 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-163-158.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:07:21 DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:07:21 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 02:07:21 DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #lisp 02:10:58 superflit [~superflit@c-24-9-162-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:11:45 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-168-32.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:12:27 Hexstream: all right. 02:14:07 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-115-37.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:19 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-203-98.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:39 -!- sykopomp [~user@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:18:39 sykopomp [~user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 02:18:45 -!- Ocaso [~chatzilla@203.156.243.14] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 02:21:07 hi folks, may i mention my freenode channel #iosketch, about my lisp visual programming anyone-can-use-it Scratch clone thing? i want to involve nonlispers so i made a separate channel 02:21:18 and there's commit messages from github and all. 02:21:42 should i have it spam twitter as well? 02:22:31 How can I configure how a link to a text file is opened when I use org-follo-link? It currently splits the window vertically and pulls the linked buffer. How could I split the window horizontally? 02:22:32 anyway perhaps visual-language-people and Scratchers might be interested. 02:22:44 sorry, wrong channel 02:25:46 -!- jimrthy_ is now known as jimrthy 02:26:25 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-19-11.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 02:28:29 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-44-194.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:29:00 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-168-32.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:30:09 -!- mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:31:56 jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:32:13 cnirrad [~darrin@ip68-13-142-241.om.om.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:02 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 02:33:14 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:35:15 ephcon [~ephcon@fredri.cc] has joined #lisp 02:36:16 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@fredri.cc] has quit [Client Quit] 02:37:26 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: night!] 02:39:17 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 02:39:52 -!- ymasory [~ymasory@grok.psych.upenn.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41:21 Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has joined #lisp 02:42:51 dto: I never quite understood that, what's the advantage of it? It seems to make programming harder except maybe for very trivial programs 02:47:22 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-233-195-101.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 02:55:01 s1ugg0 [~chris@c-75-64-77-87.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:04 drdo: But pretty colours! 02:59:07 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59:15 -!- pavelludiq [57f63ac1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:59:55 -!- cmsimon [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:00:05 -!- jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:04:35 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-67-25.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 03:04:52 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-110-206.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:08:28 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:09:07 mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:09:42 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@145.120.22.22] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:12:30 -!- sixpoint8 [~jaykub@ip68-12-204-131.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off to interact with poorly-programed 3D feedback loops. 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03:38:50 being able to visually interactively create stuff 03:39:07 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:39:16 Don't we already do that? 03:39:32 i don't know. 03:39:39 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-100-254.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:40:19 iosketch looks pretty neat 03:40:42 dto: I'm honestly curious, i don't understand well what it is supposed to be 03:40:46 khisanth_ [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-8-178.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:12 -!- khisanth_ is now known as Guest41255 03:41:18 drdo: i just put up a better description with links to much more information. http://dto.github.com/notebook/iosketch.html 03:41:21 it's a work-in-progres 03:42:18 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-25-228.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:42:48 -!- gonzojive_ [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive_] 03:46:00 gonzojive_ [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:47:31 somnium [~user@184.42.0.205] has joined #lisp 03:48:31 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-148-178.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:18 -!- kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:57:41 -!- mason [~user@col-69-141.ResHall.Berkeley.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:00:55 -!- Vivitron [ad4c080a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.76.8.10] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:09:22 -!- cnirrad [~darrin@ip68-13-142-241.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:10:04 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 04:14:19 -!- entropi [~entropi@192.55.54.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:16:52 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:22 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 04:18:52 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:20:13 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.102.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:39 -!- psilord [~psilord@ppp-70-226-164-134.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has left #lisp 04:20:57 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.59.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:22:10 -!- Guest41255 [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-8-178.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:22:18 Guest41255 [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-8-178.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:05 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.3.208] has joined #lisp 04:24:29 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.105.252] has joined #lisp 04:24:34 -!- Guest41255 [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-8-178.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:25:01 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-8-178.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:25:27 -!- Khisanth is now known as Guest73210 04:26:33 -!- az [~az@p5796C82A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:27:30 mg4001_ [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:31:17 -!- mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:33:05 -!- Guest73210 [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-8-178.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:33:24 khisanth__ [~Khisanth@pool-96-246-8-178.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:33:50 -!- khisanth__ is now known as Khisanth 04:34:04 az [~az@p4FE4FA17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 04:37:51 silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:49:25 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.105.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:51:16 longshot_ [~longshot@123.108.110.197] has joined #lisp 04:52:10 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 04:52:19 -!- gonzojive_ [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive_] 04:52:32 -!- longshot_ is now known as longshot 04:55:51 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.107.67] has joined #lisp 04:59:59 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.107.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:02:21 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.44] has joined #lisp 05:04:52 xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@58.41.0.192] has joined #lisp 05:07:52 Lochy [~lochy@59.96.162.249] has joined #lisp 05:07:58 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.3.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:08:20 beerTRUCKz [~beerTRUCK@ip174-68-69-137.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:10:30 So, I'm looking to learn programming for personal use/fun, and Lisp has quite a reputation. I'm trying to find some more information out about the whole deal, though. 05:11:49 TheSeparateOne: What kind of information? There's a lot of info on the web. 05:12:58 austinh: Yeah, and it's a lot to sort through without some kind of context. I've seen a good bit of Lisp history, but I'd like to find out some more about CL/Scheme implementations and some learning resources. 05:13:28 TheSeparateOne: Practical Common Lisp is the most commonly recommended book for learning Lisp. 05:13:50 Scheme is another matter and has its own IRC channel. 05:14:15 PCL is also available online. 05:15:33 austinh: Ahh, I see. I'll look into PCL then. Thanks for the info. 05:16:51 The book Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs is a really great book if you just want to learn about what makes Lisp and Scheme so great (and to learn about programming in general). 05:17:10 It's often cited as one of the best programming books of all time. 05:18:08 Well, sounds like that'll be my first stop then! I've tried to pick up programming a few times, but never got far beyond basic loops. 05:18:34 SICP can be challenging, just fyi. 05:18:35 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1] 05:18:56 You should read the reviews on Amazon. They are insightful. 05:20:13 If you haven't got much programming experience you could possibly try "A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" or "How to Design Programs" too. 05:20:24 And "The Little Schemer" is awesome too 05:20:42 Well, hopefully I can find a project to hold my interest while I'm learning. That's been my problem in the past. And wow, lots of helpful advice. 05:22:09 IRC is full of help, as long as you look like you're worth helping. :-) 05:22:46 I think Lisp is fantastic, but I usually recommend Python to people who are beginning programmers. I think it's easier to get started with. 05:23:12 I think scheme fits that role better 05:23:15 And it's a really decent language that you can do a lot with. 05:23:29 cowhm [~Android@0.sub-174-254-33.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 05:23:36 austinh: you know, I hear that a lot. But from what I've learned from my considerable dabbling, python just doesn't seem that fascinating to me. 05:24:17 TheSeparateOne: I can understand that. 05:25:30 Not that I don't appreciate it, it just just doesn't have the spark that gets me inspired about it. 05:25:49 TheSeparateOne: I'd definetly recommend the SICP video lectures 05:25:50 TheSeparateOne: good that you want to learn lisp, you came to the right channel for it (-: 05:27:24 Most of my programming experience so far is semi-coherently arguing about languages with my one hacker friend. :P I figure winter break is a good time to learn in earnest, though. 05:29:44 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 05:31:36 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:33:31 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:37:24 -!- rorye [~dave_chim@203-158-53-157.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:14 felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #lisp 05:42:00 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.33.72] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 05:42:57 -!- cowhm [~Android@0.sub-174-254-33.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 05:43:19 cowhm [~Android@0.sub-174-254-33.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 05:54:53 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 05:59:54 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 06:00:32 JuniorRoy [~Work@ns.nkmk.ru] has joined #lisp 06:02:21 -!- cowhm [~Android@0.sub-174-254-33.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 06:02:37 good day everyone =) 06:03:02 Hi JuniorRoy 06:03:04 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 06:03:17 use lispbox in windows at work 06:03:29 don't tell me what to do 06:04:22 -!- beerTRUCKz [~beerTRUCK@ip174-68-69-137.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:29 guther [guther@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-bvhcfqibbwpsctyp] has joined #lisp 06:04:34 and trying some examples from practicale cl 06:05:44 in emacs slime-repl clizurecl type something like: (add-record (make-cd "das" "asdfsda" 5 t)) 06:05:58 enter 06:06:11 and nothing happend 06:06:37 donno what to do with that 06:06:46 ASau: http://paste.lisp.org/display/117755 that was actually a voluntary ENOENT, and indeed only displays a single restart to top-level without further details; what would you suggest instead? Also, can I expect you to post to ecls-list, or should I do it? (I'll wait until at least tomorrow night) 06:07:52 ASau: hyperspec mentions FILE-ERROR, with only obligatory info being the pathname accessed via FILE-ERROR-PATHNAME 06:07:55 phadthai: no, the problem is different. 06:08:06 I probably misunderstood what you meant then 06:08:52 phadthai: if you have obsolete fasls, ecl loads them and fails 06:09:06 hmm do you mean the internal errors ld_so/libc might issue to stderr which ECL doesn't catch? 06:09:09 it can't load previous shared object because of soname changes. 06:09:11 ah ok 06:09:25 Then it doesn't provide restart. 06:09:30 (Not for me at least.) 06:14:24 katesmith_ [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 06:16:35 -!- katesmith_ [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:17:09 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:17:25 katesmith_ [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 06:18:48 -!- pnq [~nick@172.129.33.211] has quit [Quit: 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http://groups.google.com/group/sbcl-devel/browse_thread/thread/71456d3ee78d9745 09:16:34 does this mean threads might forthcoming with SBCL on win32? 09:18:00 Guthur: why would you say that? 09:18:49 well, I thought it said they were working on patches to bring said support 09:18:55 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 09:18:59 lanthan_afh_ [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 09:19:00 maybe I'm miss reading it entirely 09:19:29 yes, there's not much hope for you if you can't trust your own reading skills 09:19:31 -!- mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:21:15 misleading though, with a title of 'Windows Thread Support and I/O Patches' on a SBCL-devel group 09:21:38 what's misleading in that title? 09:22:26 I'm afraid we might go round in circles with this one, nevermind 09:23:24 well, my initial question was about your question: it seemed you're unsure about the meaning of the linked message when it clearly says what it is about 09:23:39 hlavaty [~user@95-88-27-48-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:24:15 Hun [~Hun@host-80-81-19-29.customer.m-online.net] has joined #lisp 09:24:26 -!- katesmith_ [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:24:55 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 09:25:39 in short, i did not understand where your confusing might be coming from 09:26:07 mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 09:26:51 sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has joined #lisp 09:27:42 -!- mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:29:07 xan_ [~xan@220.241.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 09:29:42 I thought it implied they were working on win32 threading patches, and I was wondering if anyone more intimate with SBCL dev than me could say if such efforts look like bearing fruit 09:30:27 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Quit: DarthShrine] 09:31:00 DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 09:31:00 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 09:31:00 DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #lisp 09:31:03 Guthur: if you follow the links you can find MSI installers for sbcl binaries with threading support. 09:31:41 ok, I'll try them out 09:37:56 -!- mahmul [~mrw@user-0can1en.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 09:40:52 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 09:41:51 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 09:41:59 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:19 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:43:07 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:44:55 Guthur: I've been using two MSIs (1.0.42 and 1.0.45 I think) during the Planet Wars contest. I had no problems. 09:46:13 aerique: where did you grab those, or did you build? 09:48:15 Guthur: I don't know from memory, I'd have to follow the links splittist mentioned :) 09:49:46 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 09:55:06 ah yes, found it 09:55:46 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:56:34 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-204-63.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 09:57:43 well that was less than successful (1.0.44) 09:57:49 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 09:58:36 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 09:58:57 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Client Quit] 10:00:44 -!- cmm- [~cmm@bzq-79-183-204-63.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:03:12 for whatever reason they seem to be a no go on this machine 10:04:48 mmh, I can't find in the doc how to specify to swank:create-server to bind something else than 127.0.0.1 10:05:40 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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11:35:28 common lisp. 11:35:53 sbcl ? 11:36:29 acieroid, hm. i was using clisp. 11:36:53 clisp is good too. 11:37:32 acieroid, what is the best one ? 11:37:45 there's no "best" implementation 11:38:03 sbcl and clisp have both advantages and disadvantages 11:38:21 most people prefer using sbcl though 11:38:25 acieroid, how could i take them into account and chose the most useful for me ? 11:38:30 k 11:38:40 i will follow them then :P 11:38:56 Tau: do you want compiled code? 11:38:57 nunb [~nundan@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 11:38:57 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/574279/sbcl-and-clisp btw 11:39:06 k 11:39:25 pmd, well. 11:39:37 pmd, not necessarily. 11:39:44 pmd, but, if it is fast i would enjoy it. 11:40:01 i'm new to common lisp, pmd , i'm coming from haskel. 11:40:10 i haven't enjoyed too much that. 11:40:20 nunb_ [~nundan@121.243.225.226] has joined #lisp 11:40:52 just pick one implementation, for basic uses, there's no much differences 11:41:10 -!- uzmest [~uzmest@53-220.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: uzmest] 11:41:23 -!- Harag [~user@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:31 uzmest [~uzmest@53-220.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 11:42:08 -!- uzmest [~uzmest@53-220.3-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 11:42:18 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 11:42:37 acieroid, k 11:44:50 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A1A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:47:25 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 11:47:50 sabalaba [~sabalaba@114.240.81.3] has joined #lisp 11:48:58 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 11:49:51 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 11:51:31 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52:52 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:39 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:56:18 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@114.240.81.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:50 -!- murilasso [~murilasso@189.103.20.140] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:59:18 sabalaba [~sabalaba@114.240.81.3] has joined #lisp 11:59:31 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 12:00:07 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-23-199.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 12:00:38 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:16 ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 12:02:51 -!- xan_ [~xan@220.241.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:03:00 beyeran [~beyeran@pD9E24C6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:44 charliekilo [~charlieki@70-89-224-81-BusName-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 12:07:06 kanru [~kanru@61-231-53-154.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:22 xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-175-101.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:52 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-vvqbdxbazyqvzsae] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:14:17 i use vim, is there some good plugin to facilitate when programming lisp with vim ? 12:15:14 Tau: I've heard of a couple, slimv and limp, but I'm not sure which is best (or if there are other options). 12:16:28 Xach, hum. all right. 12:16:35 Xach, k 12:17:04 -!- TheSeparateFirst [~jeffrey@ip72-207-124-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:17:06 Xach, do you find they are as efficient as slime for emacs ? 12:17:19 slime and emacs are the best 12:17:40 but i can't simply learn emacs and forget vim. 12:17:49 Then don't. 12:17:49 i have spent a lot of hours on it. 12:18:02 k 12:18:57 do you know how I can tell emacs to use swank to reach the source on a remote server when connecting to a remote lisp with swank? 12:19:07 err, tramp, not swank 12:19:17 so that M-. would work properly 12:19:54 i think there was once a blog article about that 12:19:57 try google 12:20:05 ok 12:20:06 i think it was even by Bill Clementson 12:21:26 I found a quick note in the bottom of http://www.cliki.net/SLIME%20Tips linking to http://paste.lisp.org/display/17592 12:21:52 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Quit] 12:22:09 Tau: I used to use vim, now I use emacs with viper and vimpulse, which gives you most of vim 12:28:06 Join the curch my son, walk away from your demonic master 12:28:18 Kanon [~opera@LLagny-156-34-16-32.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:29:08 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-89-217-162-91.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:29:30 -!- lanthan_afh_ [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:30:24 tfb [~tfb@92.40.43.187.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 12:32:15 koning_robot, humm 12:33:01 koning_robot, k 12:33:07 i will take a look. 12:33:26 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-qxodzcrsdaxgdyiv] has joined #lisp 12:34:35 -!- beyeran [~beyeran@pD9E24C6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 12:34:43 -!- drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:44 qfr [void@unaffiliated/yw] has joined #lisp 12:37:25 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.106.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:37:31 Hello, I'm new to CL and I'm currently trying to tokenise a string. Google lead me to cl-ppcre:split, which I then installed using quicklisp. (cl-ppcre:split " " "1 2") still doesn't work though - it says no such package. Do I excpliticly need to load it first somehow? If so, how do I do that? 12:38:24 (ql:quickload "cl-ppcre") 12:38:57 Ah, so I need to get ql first, too? 12:39:07 ql is quicklisp 12:40:09 Oh, so I can only use that package after I have loaded quicklisp? 12:40:17 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:40:24 I don't know how quiklisp works honestly 12:40:35 I thought it installed it permanently to the Lisp setup 12:40:40 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 12:40:41 *quicklisp, too 12:41:41 qfr: the instructions on the quicklisp website tell you how to load it on startup 12:41:44 you'd have to dump an image with it loaded for that 12:41:46 qfr: you'll need a working knowledge of library, system and package. 12:42:05 I thought he meant quicklisp on startuup 12:43:08 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 12:43:46 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@114.93.130.227] has joined #lisp 12:45:51 Ah, there is (ql:add-to-init-file) 12:46:25 -!- splittist [~John@AMontsouris-553-1-102-59.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:46:52 Hah, it works 12:46:55 Thanks 12:50:04 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.106.67] has joined #lisp 12:50:10 Tau, slimv is the current plugin. Tamas is working on swank integration, so it should get even better. 12:50:21 ch077179 [~urs@adsl-89-217-162-91.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 12:53:10 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 12:55:04 flip214, humm. it is a good idea keeping on vim then. 12:55:06 flip214, :D 12:55:32 Yes, I'm using that too ... but TBH I don't really know what I'm missing by not using slime. 12:56:11 -!- Aisling [ash@blk-222-192-36.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:57:06 ignorance is bliss 12:57:12 hehe 12:57:25 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:57:42 "Emacs is VIM" 12:59:12 What is the preferred way to convert a string like "4" or "3.2" to a numeric type in CL? Should I use read-from-string in combination with type-of or something like that? 12:59:54 parse-integer 12:59:58 parse-number 13:00:03 (from quicklisp) 13:00:16 ok, sorry ... forgot the dot 13:00:44 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:01:13 flip214, heh 13:01:26 well. 13:01:31 Wow, you need a library just to do that nicely? :P 13:01:42 i'm gonna nap now. 13:01:43 CL must be more minimalist than I had anticipated 13:01:45 see u all. 13:01:46 -!- Tau [~hahah@189-127-55-66.i-next.psi.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:02:06 qfr: you can use read-from-string, but it's unsafe 13:02:15 Yeah, which is why I didn't want to use it 13:02:55 qfr: check whether parse-number parse double floats well, otherwise use arnesi:parse-float 13:03:23 Aisling [ash@blk-222-192-36.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 13:03:25 No need, this is just my CL hello world 13:03:28 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:46 alright :) 13:04:10 anyone here had trouble with nested with-timeouts in sbcl? 13:07:59 mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:04 fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has joined #lisp 13:08:24 Do people even use anything other than emacs to code CL really? 13:08:51 i don't know about people, but i do use emacs exclusively 13:10:10 qfr, you mean something like vim? yes. 13:10:49 martyrs! 13:11:02 Martyrs? Haha 13:11:28 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 13:11:31 I am actually currently using vim but my formatting probably doesn't correspond with the standards of the community, might give emacs a go 13:11:59 s/with/to/ 13:13:08 qfr: SBCL/SLIME/Emacs/paredit , is a decent combination 13:13:12 imho 13:13:20 I'm using CCL 13:13:37 Because my desktop runs Windows 7 64-bit 13:13:59 Although I always run Linux in a VM on top of it anyways so I could use SBCL, too 13:14:08 ah, well you can replace the SBCL part then 13:14:26 whichever suits you bet 13:14:28 best* 13:14:35 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-145-131.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 13:14:57 I'm actually currently running win XP (x86) with SBCL 13:15:04 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Quit: DarthShrine] 13:15:40 I'd be hesitant to recommend though, considering its 'experimental' 13:16:03 I'm somewhat annoyed by the scripting language in vim anyways, elisp sounds saner to me 13:16:30 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17:17 Is there a working implementation of the vim keybindings for emacs yet? 13:17:32 Is there something shorter than append I can use to add an element to the end of a list? 13:17:42 And with that I mean not just "dd" and such, but things like "+ya( etc 13:17:54 qfr, nconc, if it can change the first list 13:18:23 qfr: It's not a good idea in general to work by adding things to the end of a singly-linked list. 13:18:39 morning xach. 13:18:41 -!- TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@124-148-45-234.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:19:01 I am parsing a file which contains comments so I need to skip some of the lines 13:19:20 TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@202-173-164-188.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:19:23 I wanted to add the successfully parsed line data structures to the end of a list then 13:19:48 qfr: not a great approach. the typical way in lisp is to add to the front during collection, and reverse at the end. 13:19:51 bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.168.106] has joined #lisp 13:19:51 What would you usually do? Filter out all the bad ones first, then run a map on the lines? 13:19:59 Oh, curious 13:20:34 qfr: you might also do something like (loop for line = (read-line stream nil) while line unless (commentp line) collect (parse-line line)) 13:20:35 you could use (loop ... if () collect) 13:21:40 francogrex [~user@109.130.33.103] has joined #lisp 13:22:29 is there a function to display the contents of the current *readtable* 13:22:31 Ah, that = stuff is loop macro specific stuff? 13:22:38 qfr: yes. 13:24:17 wvdschel [~wim@sundiata.elis.UGent.be] has joined #lisp 13:24:17 -!- wvdschel [~wim@sundiata.elis.UGent.be] has quit [Changing host] 13:24:17 wvdschel [~wim@unaffiliated/yukito] has joined #lisp 13:25:26 francogrex, inspect? 13:26:02 Hah, so that's where Ruby stole the name from 13:26:04 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.224.57] has joined #lisp 13:26:13 Also, the #<...> notation 13:26:32 -!- nunb [~nundan@121.243.225.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:26:32 -!- nunb_ [~nundan@121.243.225.226] has 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programs is starting the environment, turning it into my application by loading stuff, then saving the application to an executable file. I use http://xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ to do it. 14:45:02 That skips the loading step. 14:45:13 That is, each time it's run you don't have to reload everything. 14:46:35 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.74.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:47:34 -!- s1ugg0 [~chris@c-75-64-77-87.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:50 Xach: does buildapp work on non-sbcls? qfr is using ccl 14:48:14 It doesn't, sorry. I think something like buildapp could work with ccl. 14:48:21 I haven't looked at it yet, though. 14:48:26 az [~az@p5796C353.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:44 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:49:05 xinming [~hyy@115.221.14.59] has joined #lisp 14:50:11 -!- netytan [~netytan@host86-175-234-88.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:31 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-188.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 14:51:49 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.97] has joined #lisp 14:51:55 metasyntax` [~taylor@12.132.219.7] has joined #lisp 14:51:55 ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 14:51:59 -!- MoALTz [~no@92.8.25.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:52:27 Joreji [~thomas@66-222.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:53:43 netytan [~netytan@host86-175-234-43.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 14:54:11 -!- netytan [~netytan@host86-175-234-43.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:54:25 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:56:03 bsod1 [~osa1@188.56.241.42] has joined #lisp 14:56:32 Quick academic question: 14:56:43 -!- benny [~benny@i577A3E81.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57:06 Nevermind, I'll figure it out. 14:57:13 benny [~benny@i577A3ED0.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 15:00:16 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:41 that was quick 15:03:07 ? (quickproject:make-project "polynomial" :depends-on '(cl-ppcre parse-number)) > NIL ? (quickproject:make-project "polynomial\\" :depends-on '(cl-ppcre parse-number)) > "polynomial" 15:03:13 Xach what is that all about? 15:03:28 kanru [~kanru@118-160-164-24.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:35 qfr: You have to specify the pathname in a way that your CL recognizes as a directory. 15:03:45 qfr: In most CLs, that means a trailing slash. 15:03:54 I did not know there was a quickproject 15:03:59 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 15:04:07 Guthur: Bah! Don't you read planet lisp?! 15:04:11 Xach: what about fad:pathname-as-directory or something similar 15:04:23 adeht: That's an option. 15:04:26 hehe, I should be by the looks of it 15:05:28 -!- mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:06:26 xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@114.93.130.227] has joined #lisp 15:06:42 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.28.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:07:11 Ah, why not... here's the question: 15:07:26 When evaluating '`Q, the result is 'Q 15:07:41 Why is that, if the backquote is quoted? I have 2 possible reasons 15:08:17 scheme48: 15:08:18 > '`Q 15:08:18 '(quasiquote q) 15:08:23 `not-list-or-vector == 'not-list-or-vector 15:08:24 1. The reader is outputting 'Q because it is equivalent to `Q and that's the latitude the reader has 15:08:33 mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:55 ecraven: last time i heard scheme48 was Scheme, not Common Lisp 15:09:09 ah, my fault, very sorry, didn't look at the channel 15:09:31 sbcl does indeed return exactly 'Q 15:09:39 Actually, reason #2 is wrong. so is reason #1 right? 15:09:44 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.236.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:09:55 stassats: Should the cover.lisp changes be submitted to sbcl? 15:10:01 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 15:15:28 jmckitrick: i think it should be tested some more before submitting 15:15:43 sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:37 jmckitrick: 'a == (quote a) which prints A in common-lisp 15:16:52 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:08 jmckitrick: ''a == (quote (quote a)) which prints (QUOTE A) in common-lisp (some implementation might print 'A) 15:17:10 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:17:45 ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 15:17:53 s/prints .* in common lisp/prints .* in a common lisp repl/ 15:18:05 jmckitrick: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/02_df.htm see the paragraph "An implementation [...]" 15:18:27 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 15:20:08 s1ugg0 [~chris@net-216-37-86-189.in-addr.worldspice.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:14 jmckitrick: backquote ` is just the same as quote ' when applied to symbols 15:20:35 or perhaps 2.4.6.1 15:23:22 jmckitrick: however, let me warn you about your wording: the reader is not the repl, it's just the first step (read-eval-print-loop), so (read-from-string "`'Q") actually returns (QUOTE (QUOTE Q)), but (eval (read-from-string "`'Q")) returns (QUOTE Q) and I'll let you go read EVAL and QUOTE in the hyperspec to know 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he uses vsedach on many web forums and social networking sites. you can find him on twitter, iirc. 17:14:03 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:15:25 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:18:41 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-17-233.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:19:00 -!- jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:05 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.151.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:24:03 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 17:26:55 lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 17:31:46 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.56.241.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:50 Is there something like concatenated-stream for output (where i can specify the number of element's each stream will take)? 17:32:11 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I'm trying this: http://www.doof.me.uk/2010/12/12/using-slime-with-chicken-scheme/ But, it's not getting very far, heh. 17:52:49 <_3b> ah, might mean something else in scheme, #cheme might be more helpful there 17:52:49 -!- decaf [5f0a9a89@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.10.154.137] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:52:56 <_3b> #scheme i mean 17:53:00 Joreji [~thomas@66-222.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:53:48 Yeah, indeed. I was just asking because the error was specifically a Slime/CL error. Thanks for your time :-) 17:54:16 *_3b* is confused, are you running cl or scheme? 17:54:50 Well, I have SBCL here, and it was previously working with Slime, now it isn't ;-) 17:55:13 I also have Chicken, which doesn't work with Slime either! 17:55:17 A productive day 17:55:18 <_3b> ok, so you installed the scheme/slime stuff and cl slime broke? 17:55:24 Yeah 17:57:00 ddevaal [~ddevaal@bogomips.nl] has joined #lisp 17:57:26 <_3b> hmm, maybe lisppaste your .emacs (or the slime parts of it at least) 17:58:31 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7569f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:52 bitreader [~big_al@186.90.84.244] has joined #lisp 18:02:40 -!- fgump [~gump@188.74.82.177] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03:21 pepone [~pepone@135.246.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:05:30 -!- pavelludiq [57f63ac1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:06:33 Hi, is there an equivalent to "continue" for lisp "do" loops 18:07:06 (do ... (block foo ... 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I did mention it in #lispgames a while ago 21:08:11 <_3b> and that is presumably a temporary break, while API changes are permanent 21:09:42 <_3b> ah, glu... who uses that anyway :p 21:10:02 xiackok: Hi. 21:10:19 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.91.2] 21:13:08 -!- khisanth_ is now known as Khisanth 21:13:22 im trouble with utf-8 21:13:48 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@86.67.23.67] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:13:58 xiackok: If it's somehow lisp-related, ask away. There are many knowledgeable people here. 21:14:14 gabnet [~gabnet@86.67.23.67] has joined #lisp 21:14:44 <_3b> adeht: do you have an example of how it breaks? 21:14:59 Hexstream, yeah. lisp-related. im trying to fetch url which contains utf-8 characters 21:15:36 but sbcl saying 21:15:37 decoding error on stream # 21:15:37 (:EXTERNAL-FORMAT :UTF-8): 21:15:37 the octet sequence (246 114 115 101) cannot be decoded. 21:15:44 You might want to paste the stack trace to paste.lisp.org. 21:15:52 *_3b* isn't sure why that would have a once-only anyway actually... is multiple evaluation really a problem for symbols to be bound? 21:15:57 Please don't paste multiple lines in this channel. 21:15:58 3b: I think any use of glu:project will break.. you can check out https://github.com/death/consix 21:16:03 oh sorry 21:16:16 xiackok: That does not look like UTF-8 encoded data to me. 21:16:31 xiackok: It looks like an iso-8859-1 encoding of "örse". 21:17:33 http://paste.lisp.org/display/117776 21:18:01 Xach, hmm interesting. im trying to fetch "google.com.tr" it contains utf-8 turkish characters 21:18:13 xiackok: How are you fetching it? 21:18:13 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:18:27 Xach, wait a minute i paste my code 21:18:40 xiackok: UTF-8 is not a character set, it's an encoding scheme. 21:19:02 xiackok: When I fetch www.google.com.tr, the Content-Type header suggests the encoding is iso-8859-9. 21:19:09 xiackok: not UTF-8 21:19:27 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:53 hmm. there is a different. when i open google.com.tr in firefox it says UTF-8 encoding. 21:21:14 and yes iso-8859-9 is for turkish 21:21:18 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 21:21:44 -!- pavelludiq [57f63ac1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:21:55 xiackok: Does your code use firefox to open www.google.com.tr? 21:22:32 Xach, hmm maybe. again i try with trivial-http and trivial-http saying iso-8859-9 encoding 21:22:55 http://paste.lisp.org/display/117777 21:22:59 here is my code 21:23:04 fetching url 21:23:19 excellent, problem identified 21:24:28 yes but how can i solve ?? :) 21:24:40 -!- 52AACQDEE [~tg@dslc-082-082-099-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:24:43 -!- 13WAAVSQR [~tg@dslc-082-082-099-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:25:28 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:39 xiackok: If I wanted to do it, I would start with drakma. 21:26:24 askatasuna [~askatasun@host230.190-3-1.static.telmex.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:26:43 it is pretty smart about encoding. 21:27:41 Xach, yes i saw it. but i think too complicated. 21:27:58 Xach, i will try 21:28:15 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 21:28:57 Xach, thanks 21:30:02 <_3b> does anyone see a point to this once-only? : https://github.com/3b/cl-opengl/blob/master/glu/glu.lisp#L207 21:30:30 3b: it's not about multiple evaluation, it's that alexandria:once-only never uses the original symbols, but glu::with-projection-arrays assumes so when it splices the body that has reference to those symbols 21:30:41 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:30:58 <_3b> adeht: why else would you use once-only except to avoid multiple evaluation? 21:31:11 3b: it uses it to avoid multiple evaluation 21:31:33 *_3b* is confused then 21:31:34 3b: both once-onlys do that 21:32:49 Xach, ok drakma solved my problem. and thank again for quicklisp 21:33:03 <_3b> adeht: so you are saying the old one would have worked even if it thought the args had side effects? 21:33:57 -!- bitreader [~big_al@186.90.84.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 21:34:09 3b: if it thought the args are simple symbols (as they are) then it wouldn't use gensyms 21:34:39 -!- ddevaal is now known 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[~s0ber@111-240-210-81.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:20:03 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 22:20:04 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:22:52 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 22:23:46 Guthur: wasting time as well, it's like I 'm not that motivated lately... 22:24:04 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050071231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:24:11 -!- vlion` [~user@CPE-76-178-165-160.natnow.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:27:11 anyone tried wcl before? 22:28:11 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.226.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:13 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@dsl51B7BBB9.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 22:31:28 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo] 22:31:31 it's old and seems noone use it or ever used it; it's a pity all that work gone wasted 22:32:58 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 22:34:26 -!- HET2 [~diman@host81-149-242-213.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:34:54 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:34:58 yeah unfortunate, but i think hardware progression solved the issues wcl was attempting to solve 22:35:08 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:35:53 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:36:46 what problem was wcl trying to solve? I still have to read that pdf article: WCL: Delivering Efficient Common Lisp Applications under Unix 22:37:14 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@host230.190-3-1.static.telmex.net.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 22:40:41 provide a rich development environment AND efficient delivery environment 22:41:58 -!- DarthShrine [~angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has quit [Quit: DarthShrine] 22:44:19 whats mean of "Heap exhausted during garbage collection: 16 bytes available, 24 requested." 22:44:23 mg4001 [~mg4001@cpe-76-93-28-217.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:45:51 ziarkaen__ [~ziarkaen@87.113.247.50] has joined #lisp 22:46:29 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-93-23-199.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:40 -!- ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.115.39.1] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:53:04 -!- rfg [~rfg@host81-102-107-209.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has quit [Quit: rfg] 22:56:41 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.33.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:43 Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:57:20 -!- rme [rme@clozure-78900BDC.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 22:57:23 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-140-72.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:43 kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:26 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA525AD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:58:33 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-140-72.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:47 -!- TheSeparateFirst [~jeffrey@ip72-207-124-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:35 xiackok: it means you've run out of memory. see the --dynamic-space-size command line argument in the manual. 23:00:54 are the docs pretty out of date for iolib? I keep wanting to use the library, but the intended usage is a bit unclear. for example, the examples make us of unixy integer file handles, but the documentation provided is in terms of streams 23:01:38 the multiplexer seems like a key advantage of iolib but I don't see much in terms of documentation there either 23:01:52 drewc, thanks. i got this error when i try writing to file download a video to ram 23:02:40 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 23:03:38 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:05:11 -!- djinni` [~djinni`@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 23:05:23 djinni` [~djinni`@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:06 xiackok: no problem 23:06:35 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 23:06:53 salva_oz [~kvirc@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 23:08:12 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-89-217-162-91.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:09:10 hi im trying cl-mongrel, and cant get the basic handler demo runing, some body is using it? thanks 23:09:20 cl-mongrel2 23:09:35 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:41 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 23:11:56 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:35 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 23:12:42 salva_oz: I haven't heard anyone mention it. 23:13:38 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.91.2] 23:15:14 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-188.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:15:55 hi all - is there some kind of predicate function like 'classp' or 'instancep' to determine if an object is a clos object? Something like 'listp' or 'numberp'.n 23:16:27 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:17:04 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 23:18:27 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 23:18:28 <_3b> (typep (class-of foo) 'class) ? 23:18:37 standard-class even (: 23:18:39 *_3b* isn't sure if that is false for much of anything though 23:18:40 pinkwerks: perhaps you want typep 23:19:04 <_3b> yeah, standard-class would probably be more useful than class there 23:19:18 okay i'll give that a go - thank you 23:19:18 (typep (class-of foo) 'standard-class) should tell you if your object is either a clos object of a regular defstruct 23:19:25 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:19:48 ah, wait, defstructs aren't standard-classes. oh well (: 23:20:00 <_3b> can you make metaclasses that aren't standard-classes? 23:20:20 ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has joined #lisp 23:20:24 pinkwerks: do you want to know if your thing is a particular kind of CLOS object, or just any CLOS object? 23:21:19 any clos object - i have a list of stuff and i wanna remove-if-not any clos object 23:21:21 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:30 <_3b> is 1 a 'clos object'? 23:21:36 no 23:21:42 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:21:49 <_3b> now about structs? 23:21:57 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:22:05 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:07 well, i'm not using structs in my code so it may work 23:22:21 unfortunatly i'm not in front of my code at the moment. 23:22:33 i just needed a little clue and i think typep was it. 23:22:46 <_3b> what are you trying to do? 23:23:46 *_3b* could maybe see filtering things that a particular method won't work on, but 'clos object' seems an odd criteria 23:24:40 -!- xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.7.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25:03 well i'm trying to draw html tables of my class objects. so far i'm basically getting the key value pairs and reporting, however i don't want to report something that isn't a simple data type such as a number or vector (string) 23:25:58 <_3b> ah, so the goal is to limit to a few types, probably safer to do that explicitly 23:25:59 basically i have objects that have children objects and i want to display them different, hence i needed a "if this slot's values are not a clos object, print it" 23:26:55 <_3b> or just define a method to print objects, with specializations for types you want to print and a default to ignore anything else 23:27:20 -!- pepone [~pepone@135.246.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:26 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:27:32 pinkwerks: you could also give the objects you want an additional mixin superclass 23:27:34 <_3b> (or a printable-p method to filter with) 23:27:43 then filter on typep 'that-printability-mixin 23:28:09 -!- murilasso [~murilasso@201.53.192.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:13 going by "is this a clos class" seems a slightly weak restriction (: 23:28:17 -!- ziarkaen__ [~ziarkaen@87.113.247.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:28:17 <_3b> antifuchs: i think it is the other way around, wanting to print things like numbers and strings, which are hard to add mixins to :) 23:28:28 ah 23:29:06 well then. (remove 'that-nonprintability-mixin your-sequence :test-not #'typep) (-: 23:31:05 this is my first project using lisp so i'm still very unfamiliar with the all the built-in functions - thanks for the responses. i'm probably gonna stop by my local lisp group and see if i can get some code reviews once i've got a decent version 1 23:31:28 there are certainly a lot of ways to skin the cat 23:31:41 there definitely are (: 23:31:52 <_3b> pinkwerks: feel free to link short samples for feedback here too 23:32:02 (I think I still have our collection of ways to check for string emptiness around) (-: 23:32:10 (there are a /lot/) 23:32:16 <_3b> heh 23:34:08 <_3b> anyone used OpenCL much? wondering if it would be reasonable to have functions that wait on events release them automatically, or if caller should have to release them by hand 23:34:45 <_3b> seems like relatively linear dependency chains would be the more common use case 23:38:04 hm, no, don't have the quote file anymore. too bad. 23:47:43 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-168.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:43 askatasuna [~askatasun@host230.190-3-1.static.telmex.net.ar] has joined #lisp 23:49:57 -!- kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:53 -!- alexsuraci [~alex@pool-71-188-133-67.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:53:36 -!- netytan [~netytan@host86-175-234-19.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: netytan] 23:54:16 -!- xan_ [~xan@220.241.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:55:45 antifuchs: that ignorable thing is a bug in allegro's code walker... :) 23:55:54 TheSeparateOne [~jeffrey@ip72-207-124-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:13 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:29 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 23:57:33 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@host230.190-3-1.static.telmex.net.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 23:57:39 mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:57:43 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:58:17 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 23:58:23 attila_lendvai: hmm - in that case, could you send a smaller example to support@franz.com? (: 23:58:26 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:58:30 I'm sure mega would be overjoyed to look at it (; 23:58:44 deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has joined #lisp 23:59:12 -!- drdo [~user@2001:690:2100:1b:226:8ff:fef7:3d9e] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]