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you just did, and the world didn't explode (; 06:22:57 as long as it is super basic=) 06:23:11 ha! 06:23:17 http://paste.lisp.org/display/117625 06:24:06 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 06:24:12 *humasect* staring at the screen 06:24:18 what's the question? 06:24:26 i compiled that with C-c C-k and tried to run (radiant-lambda "/tmp/test.png") ... i get a function not defined error 06:24:32 sorry got to copy and paste properly 06:24:37 it's in the vecto-examples package 06:24:43 ah, do (in-package :...) in sbcl 06:24:46 either in-package over there 06:24:54 or (vecto-examples::radiant-lamba ...) 06:25:04 i loaded up vecto with quicklisp, i would of thought compiling that would have been fine. 06:25:15 well, compiling it is fine (: 06:25:25 but to call it you have to use the right function name 06:25:46 ohhhhh .... i see it now 06:26:01 i didn't see that in the land of lisp book yet. okay thx 06:26:26 no worries (: 06:28:22 -!- parolang 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Yes, I am pretty pleased! 08:41:50 mvilleneuve: I finally gathered up the energy required to make the necessary modifications to the sequences module as well. It will still take some time, but I am well on the way. 08:42:06 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-fyqjihzicnnpjcbw] has left #lisp 08:42:10 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:42:20 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-41.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:44:33 splittist [~John@21-29.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 08:44:35 morning 08:44:52 hello splittist 08:45:29 splittist: What is the etymology of your nick? :) 08:47:46 He's a split hair extremist. 08:49:26 -!- guaqua_ is now known as guaqua 08:49:38 -!- fogus`away [c6970d0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.151.13.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:52:54 Quadrescence: from my past as a leftist trainspotter. So I guess it comes from the Chicoms (: 08:53:09 *plage* must be off to catch the staff shuttle in 8 minutes. 08:53:14 -!- plage [~user@113.161.72.9] has left #lisp 08:55:00 How does political ideology affect trainspotting? 08:56:08 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-42-77.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:56:43 -!- oskar__ [~oskar@nl107-187-182.student.uu.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58:50 -!- ssoqboss [~ssoqboss@212.113.249.63] has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:59:22 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-118-58.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:59:22 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 08:59:37 BrandLeeJones_ [~BrandLeeJ@213-33-15-248.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 09:00:09 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@213-33-15-248.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:00:09 -!- BrandLeeJones_ is now known as BrandLeeJones 09:00:47 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ptypcrfnpparvcov] has joined #lisp 09:02:49 Krystof: http://xkcd.com/833/ 09:03:15 so true 09:05:09 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:05:15 splittist: joy :-) 09:05:44 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 09:07:15 splittist: I enjoyed http://xkcd.com/793/ as well 09:08:14 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:08:40 Krystof: I remember that one (: 09:10:28 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@hy-ovpn1-99.vpn.helsinki.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:11:11 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-ptypcrfnpparvcov] has left #lisp 09:12:27 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-asnqmtwmhaofxqbe] has joined #lisp 09:15:40 -!- iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:05 araujo [~araujo@190.38.50.25] has joined #lisp 09:16:05 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.50.25] has quit [Changing host] 09:16:05 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 09:17:23 reav_ [~reav_@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 09:19:01 -!- 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wonders why folks feel the need to denigrate Lisp so strongly. But not much. 10:45:20 cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has joined #lisp 10:46:15 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:46:15 -!- Bridge| is now known as Bridge|A 10:46:21 oskar__ [~oskar@nl107-187-182.student.uu.se] has joined #lisp 10:47:37 splittist: perhaps a link would be in order. I only see a sea of links... 10:47:48 -!- edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: edlinde] 10:50:15 pjb: I regret making the comment. But here's the link (: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1997383 10:50:55 lharc [~shrek@88.131.67.194] has joined #lisp 10:52:26 -!- francogrex [c14be4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.75.228.252] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:52:34 Frakk [~Frakk@host28-49-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:52:54 -!- tib [~tl@89.181.75.205] has left #lisp 10:53:13 xan_ [~xan@65.141.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 10:54:09 minsa [~minsa@c-24-5-121-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:33 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755d90.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:32 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:01:32 -!- lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:04:50 -!- pdo [~pdo@217.33.254.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:50 -!- pdo_ is now known as pdo 11:05:33 lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:09:42 There was even a comment by Andy Gavin in that item, creator of GOAL 11:10:13 Not sure I get the CLOS is dated part of his comment 11:10:53 What object system would make CLOS look overly dated? 11:10:56 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11:45 -!- cinch- [~cinch@85-127-111-239.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:13:23 cinch [~cinch@85-127-96-92.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 11:17:17 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:23:36 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:25:23 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-172-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:30:48 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-172-3.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:32:03 -!- plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:32:43 Yuuhi [benni@p54839C69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:36:04 edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 11:36:05 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:40:34 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:44:06 -!- edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:23 edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 11:45:45 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 11:49:42 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-142-140.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 11:55:03 how can you make slime catch hunchentoot errors? 11:55:11 lanthan_afh_ [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:55:17 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:55:44 lharc: http://weitz.de/hunchentoot/#*catch-errors-p* 11:57:16 stassats: thanks.. but Symbol "*CATCH-ERRORS-P*" not found in the HUNCHENTOOT package. ?! 11:58:13 then your HUNCHENTOOT package is wrong 11:58:16 lharc, what version are you using? http://weitz.de/hunchentoot/#conditions 11:58:24 lharc: Did you set swank:*global-debugger* to nil in your .swank.lisp? 11:59:27 installed 2009-02-16 21:40 /usr/local/lib/sbcl/site/hunchentoot-1.0.0/hunchentoot.asd 12:00:01 lharc, maybe a newer version might help? 12:01:04 Kenjin [~josesanto@193.136.207.148] has joined #lisp 12:03:31 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.98.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:24 sabalaba [~sabalaba@114.240.89.26] has joined #lisp 12:04:36 tcr: Shouldn't I want it to be T to make slime catch more conditions? 12:05:36 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.96.100] has joined #lisp 12:06:24 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:08:17 lharc: Yeah 12:09:11 horze [~kim@c-0b1072d5.24-87-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:10:33 -!- horze [~kim@c-0b1072d5.24-87-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 12:16:40 ok.. HT upgraded, using *c-e-p* i get errors in web.log, should I play with hunchentoot:*http-error-handler* now to get them in slime? 12:17:36 using *c-e-p* how? 12:19:12 stassats: => T 12:19:34 that's the default value 12:19:43 if you want it not to catch errors, set it to NIL 12:19:47 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:08 stassats: :) that works 12:23:29 -!- xan_ [~xan@65.141.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29:06 kramer3d [~kramer3d@residents-NATted-129-174-190-96.residents.gmu.edu] has joined #lisp 12:29:06 -!- kramer3d [~kramer3d@residents-NATted-129-174-190-96.residents.gmu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 12:29:07 kramer3d [~kramer3d@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has joined #lisp 12:35:49 -!- oskar__ [~oskar@nl107-187-182.student.uu.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36:35 stdDoubt [~ptiago@darwin.di.uminho.pt] has joined #lisp 12:38:08 how to iterate two lists simultaneously? for example (1 3 5) (2 4 6) -> I want to process 1 2 after 3 4 and then 5 6 ? 12:38:34 (loop for left in '(1 3 5) for right in '(2 4 5) do (process left right)) 12:38:45 (mapcar (function process) lefts rights) 12:38:56 things like that. 12:39:05 Fisher [~multimedi@host137-52-static.45-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:39:18 hi 12:39:32 I'm new in the lambda world 12:39:58 I want study a new functional language, it's better Scheme or Lisp? 12:40:06 Scheme 12:40:19 :pjb thanks 12:40:22 Thanks 12:40:28 Depends on whether you want to put it to practical use. I'd say CL is more practical. 12:40:48 I'v buyed Structure and interpretation of computer programs 12:40:53 CL is definitely more practical, but Scheme is good to learn for the theory 12:41:18 Fisher: then you might be interested in http://eli.thegreenplace.net/category/programming/lisp/sicp/ 12:41:22 than it's better for me 12:42:08 http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=structure+and+interpretation+of+computer+programs 12:42:13 Fisher: SICP uses scheme. 12:42:24 I have buyed the second one 12:42:35 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 12:42:42 pkhuong: I'm more intrested in scheme 12:43:39 #scheme will be better able to help you. 12:43:39 Actually, I'm using DrScheme/DrRacket 12:43:39 Fisher: you bought the instructor's manual? 12:44:14 ? 12:44:49 Are not the same? 12:46:10 the instructor's manual and the book itself? of course they're different 12:46:56 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-175-55.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 12:47:46 what's the differences? 12:47:49 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-191-157.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:48:19 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-41.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:48:39 -!- Fisher [~multimedi@host137-52-static.45-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 12:49:50 Is there an algorithm that computes how close two colours are to human eyes? i.e. their visibility if put one as foreground and the other as background. 12:49:53 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-158-218.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:50:31 what if the person is color-blind? 12:50:35 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:50:49 Don't consider that for now. 12:52:26 something like converting to HSV/HSL, for a start. 12:52:39 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:52 -!- kramer3d [~kramer3d@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:03:48 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 13:04:50 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 13:05:09 CIE LAB space models some approximation of perceptual closeness 13:05:42 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-206-108.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 13:05:49 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-175-55.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:57 CIEDE2000 is an excitingly complicated refinement 13:06:27 colour blindness can be accounted for (we know the lines of confusion in the xyY chromaticity diagram) 13:07:19 mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:13:31 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 13:14:32 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-32-16-123.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:18:28 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-233-195-101.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:51 Krystof: thanks ;) 13:21:43 pdo` [~pdo@217.33.254.141] has joined #lisp 13:22:10 frodef [~frode@shevek.netfonds.no] has joined #lisp 13:22:20 Dawgmatix [~dman@123.201.201.253] has joined #lisp 13:23:28 jobf [~jfranck@c-9fbde555.03-87-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 13:24:42 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:27:35 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@193.136.207.148] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 13:27:41 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.26] has joined #lisp 13:28:26 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 13:28:27 salva_oz [~kvirc@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 13:28:47 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 13:33:33 -!- lanthan_afh_ [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:36:29 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:05 mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:22 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 13:40:31 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1] 13:41:50 silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:42:41 pkhuong: thanks for suggesting too. CIE seems to be the right thing to do here. 13:51:38 iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.74.124.20] has joined #lisp 13:51:38 -!- iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.74.124.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:19 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 13:53:49 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.15.242] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:55:06 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:07 -!- edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: edlinde] 14:00:17 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:02:52 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 14:05:09 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07:51 -!- Phooodus [~foo@174-22-203-191.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:07:53 -!- oconnore [~eric@ip68-225-113-244.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:08:56 Phoodus [~foo@174-22-203-191.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:13 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 14:09:17 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 14:09:49 -!- kanru [~kanru@61-30-10-70.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10:30 paradoja [~paradoja@211.pool80-103-161.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 14:11:29 -!- mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:13:32 DanLentz [~danlentz@c-68-32-54-29.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:46 dysinger [~dysinger@ip64-75-228-130.hsia.aloha.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:09 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:16:19 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-118-114.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:52 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 14:16:55 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 14:17:00 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 14:17:33 -!- ignas [~ignas@85-206-23-33.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:19:56 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.26] has joined #lisp 14:20:29 I'm trying to get paredit on the REPL, what emacs hook should I be using, (SLIME/SBCL) 14:20:44 -!- Demosthenex [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:20:49 -!- Phoodus [~foo@174-22-203-191.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20:51 oh nvm 14:21:00 staring me right in the face, doh 14:21:10 Phoodus [~foo@174-22-203-191.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:21:47 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-7-55.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:22:21 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 14:22:40 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-105-122.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:24:04 -!- DanLentz [~danlentz@c-68-32-54-29.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:24:24 -!- Dawgmatix [~dman@123.201.201.253] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:24:56 bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.137.235] has joined #lisp 14:25:50 iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@61.43.139.4] has joined #lisp 14:30:12 oconnore [~eric@wsip-70-168-242-70.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:13 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:33:54 Dawgmatix [~dman@123.201.201.253] has joined #lisp 14:34:12 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 14:35:29 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-cotnegrfxbkxwbxj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:35:40 -!- reav_ [~reav_@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37:10 Guthur: when you've tried that our for a while let me know how you find it. I tend not to do that because I have the habit of hitting return in the middle of historical forms (iyswim) before I've finished editing them. 14:37:45 (there ought to be a 'please' in there somewhere (: ) 14:38:29 drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 14:40:09 *Xach* found the acclimation period for paredit short and the benefits very nice 14:41:28 -!- p_l|backup [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:41:48 Xach: does this mean you haven't used it until now? 14:42:09 jobf: I didn't use it for many years 14:42:26 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:42:29 just out of curiosity, why did you stop? 14:42:44 TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@65.196.40.254] has joined #lisp 14:42:45 The only thing I don't like about it is that it really likes inserting line breaks 14:42:55 jobf: Why did I stop not using it? 14:43:11 After I'm finished typing something, I usually go back and remove line breaks 14:43:19 jobf: I did not use it because it did not exist, and then, even while it existed, I didn't try it. When I tried it, I liked it a lot. 14:43:21 ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 14:43:27 -!- TheEnd2012 [~TheEnd201@65.196.40.254] has left #lisp 14:43:30 i don't see much reason to use paredit in the repl, and it breaks M-p 14:44:01 I don't use paredit in the repl, but sometimes I miss it. 14:44:15 stassats: wasn't there a patch to make M-p look from the beginning of line to point? 14:44:20 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has left #lisp 14:44:27 C-c s s to the rescue! 14:44:33 I'm a happy - nay, enthusiastic! - user in files. As Xach, I sometimes miss it in the repl, but I suspect it would get in the way. 14:44:38 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:45:18 i use C-RET all the time to close all parenthesis and evaluate 14:45:20 *splittist* really needs a keyboard with more (easily reachable) modifiers. Or to sit down and think about things... 14:45:53 I miss it the most when I have to write code in C, electric mode and whatnot just doesn't work like paredit :) 14:46:49 jobf: same here. it's one more tool in the smuggification plan. 14:46:53 -!- oconnore [~eric@wsip-70-168-242-70.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:47:08 although C-RET doesn't close ", which i often forget 14:48:13 jobf: I tried paredit in C... not quite as useful. 14:48:34 rrice [~rrice@adsl-99-164-39-219.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:49:11 a job for paren-C! 14:49:27 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-zciquxxjumosoamh] has joined #lisp 14:49:28 autopair is better, but I actually wrote my own paren-match code because all I tried got in my way 14:49:34 hirvine [~hirvine@202.239.129.104] has joined #lisp 14:50:02 powerje [~powerj@rrcs-74-218-15-82.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:50:33 -!- hirvine [~hirvine@202.239.129.104] has quit [Client Quit] 14:50:45 paredit is not only about parenthesis matching 14:51:21 but mostly about moving them and code around 14:52:32 indeed 14:52:55 and dealing with quoted strings (which I heart) 14:53:08 (not the strings, the paredit facilities for dealing with them) 14:53:13 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:53:14 where can I download common lisp api? 14:53:53 minion knows, but he's away it seems 14:54:06 you have to love a function with barf in its name :) 14:54:49 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.96.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:53 stdDoubt: i don't know what you mean by API for a programming language, but this probably may be what you want: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front/ 14:56:44 -!- benny [~benny@i577A1E58.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:58:00 Are there any Paris #lispers? 14:58:18 (France rather than Hilton) 14:58:26 splittist: I have used paredit on the REPL for quite some time, I don't mind it too much 14:59:52 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.99.189] has joined #lisp 14:59:55 :jdz thanks 15:00:23 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-zciquxxjumosoamh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:00:25 splittist: You missed an most excellent house party! 15:00:33 Guthur: fair enough! 15:01:02 tcr: I'm glad it was a success, even without me dancing on tables (; 15:01:11 splittist: I'd like to be able to take new lines in forms, was that what you meant by the habit of hitting return? 15:01:35 Is it possible to do that with paredit? 15:03:13 Guthur: C-j ? 15:03:33 as mentioned in the paredit setup, one should override the REPL del to get consistent paredit behaviour, see -> http://www.emacswiki.org/ParEdit#toc3 15:04:29 splittist: cheers, that's it, I really should read the docs more thoroughly one of these days 15:04:35 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:06:08 kanru [~kanru@118-168-238-114.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:18 -!- peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:09:57 somnium` [~user@184.42.0.205] has joined #lisp 15:10:55 peddie [~peddie@XVM-107.MIT.EDU] has joined #lisp 15:11:30 -!- somnium [~user@184.42.17.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:12:29 is there something that makes package nicknames to be a part of using packages instead of the package itself? like, have org.something.someone.lib:sym be accessible as lib:sym when the current package is foo 15:12:36 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 15:13:15 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-peoqsoesjcnzwidg] has joined #lisp 15:13:24 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:39 pmd: there are extensions, such as relative packages that could help. But nothing standard. 15:13:54 pmd: any nickname will be global. 15:15:29 s1ugg0 [~Chrish@net-216-37-86-189.in-addr.worldspice.net] has joined #lisp 15:15:48 hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-174.mirrorimage.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:04 I'm getting the following error while trying to install Quicklisp (Windows/SBCL) http://paste.lisp.org/display/117633 15:16:05 -!- powerje [~powerj@rrcs-74-218-15-82.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:16:09 any ideas 15:16:19 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-188.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 15:16:35 powerje [~powerj@rrcs-74-218-15-82.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:16:35 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-peoqsoesjcnzwidg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:40 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-hjcvbejvksdaekbs] has joined #lisp 15:16:48 ah nevermind it's probably the proxy 15:16:53 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 15:18:47 mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 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needed is to take the hacks from cl-package-aliases and convince each lisp implementation to include them directly! 15:28:11 Should be a SMOL (simple matter of lobbying)! 15:28:16 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-hurktiqsbrbfkukv] has joined #lisp 15:28:37 lichtblau: i'm going to check it, thanks 15:29:17 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-122-71.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:18 erm, where on the net is cl-package-aliases? 15:29:46 dlowe: cl-ppcre already has ppcre 15:30:09 but the point stands 15:30:10 stassats: maybe dlowe wants to make like apple and ditch the ppc 15:30:12 lichtblau: nevermind, google was trying to hide it from me as one of "more results from cliki.net" 15:30:31 btw pkhuong you are deeply involved in sbcls compiler/vm right? 15:30:49 -!- Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-206-108.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:04 so deeply, sometimes we just give him bits of lisp code and he sends us the machine code back by email 15:32:09 is that why sbcl's compilation process so slow? 15:34:46 hehe, that is a cool dialog quote 15:36:28 lichtblau: this seems to do the trick, thanks :) 15:36:40 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 15:36:44 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-hurktiqsbrbfkukv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:00 e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-junkdrydpmfuemdy] has joined #lisp 15:37:19 xan_ [~xan@38.Red-80-25-35.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:33 sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has joined #lisp 15:37:45 edlinde [~edlinde@90-227-7-243-no15.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 15:38:03 jobf: more shallowly than many others, especially in the runtime. 15:39:02 when using defmethod is it needed to define the function using defgeneric first? 15:39:06 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:39:09 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:13 no, but you better do 15:39:38 pkhuong: i've always been a little envious of people working on a VM in lisp 15:39:47 sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has joined #lisp 15:40:14 jobf: just take a good weekend and rewrite the emacs lisp VM in CL. 15:40:16 jobf: good thing you can M-. your way in. 15:40:55 while I get to work on a VM (two atm JRockit and HotSpot) I'm stuck in c/c++ 15:40:56 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:40:58 not nearly as fun :) 15:41:17 jobf: envy leads to hate, hate leads to despair, despair leads to java 15:41:20 i don't think sbcl has a vm in that sense 15:41:44 (or envy leads from smalltalk) 15:42:09 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:42:32 jobf: do work on the sbcl internals in your free time :-) 15:42:47 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:14 ah, free time. 15:43:16 I remember the days 15:43:21 what Krystof said :) 15:43:33 ah, but you see I did use my free time to work on sbcl internals, when I had some 15:43:34 free time isn't free 15:43:58 it's easier to help ABCL out 15:44:24 you might be amused to get cloak from lichtblau 15:46:14 jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-54.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:48:37 -!- eslick [~eslick@206.127.32.140] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:48:38 -!- eslick_ [~eslick@206.127.32.140] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:48:38 -!- Lochy [~lochy@59.94.99.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:05 -!- Dawgmatix [~dman@123.201.201.253] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:53:01 Lochy [~lochy@59.94.105.107] has joined #lisp 15:53:03 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:55:34 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:59:00 mheld [~mheld@74.125.60.4] has joined #lisp 15:59:47 threads aren't part of the CL spec right? 16:00:07 no 16:00:36 that is, right. english should have its own "si" 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has joined #lisp 16:17:51 quasi_ [u404@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbbjttmcxglsrjql] has joined #lisp 16:17:53 You only get one free lie, though, so further falsehoods will be $1.50 per. 16:17:54 Alkaaran: This language is dead. Nothing to see here. 16:18:28 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 16:18:28 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:18:29 -!- jesusabdullah [~jesusabdu@li225-26.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:18:33 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:18:39 jobf: most global calls are indirected through a single pointer, so redefining a single function is atomic. 16:18:53 sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 16:18:54 p_l|backup [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 16:19:23 Threads that are currently executing that function aren't affected by the redefinition, although further calls may or may not go to the new definition (depending on optimization settings). 16:19:32 jesusabdullah [~jesusabdu@li225-26.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:19:56 -!- snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:20:01 Have you got any simple tutorial on LISP (variables, functions, philpspophy) to start with ? 16:20:16 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 16:20:28 snorble [~snorble@s83-179-14-105.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 16:21:47 Alkaaran: http://abhishek.geek.nz/docs/lisp-answers/ 16:22:04 Alkaaran: http://abhishek.geek.nz/docs/features-of-common-lisp/ also 16:22:17 thanks :) 16:22:20 Alkaaran: also, Practical Common Lisp 16:22:34 http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 16:22:46 pkhuong: ok, do you do OSR? 16:22:51 Alkaaran: Nobody who uses Lisp writes it "LISP" any more. 16:23:04 and depending on how you like to learn ther eis a new book out geared more towards noobs: landoflisp.com 16:23:43 Xach: ok, i'm just a newbie :) 16:23:48 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:56 thanks for all the links, bookmarked ;) 16:23:58 Alkaaran: Why do you wish for lisp to be dead? 16:24:24 schme: hipster hackers prefer zombie languages 16:24:31 haha 16:24:32 meh, just not my phylosophy of programming, I just need to learn it 16:24:33 (: 16:24:38 hipster zombies? 16:24:42 -!- timjstewart1 [~tims@159.182.183.6] has left #lisp 16:25:01 Alkaaran: What philosophy is your programming philosophy? 16:25:03 so why learn it? 16:25:23 schme: we have to study it in school, but the professor doesn't make it shiny 16:25:38 have you read your SICP today? 16:25:43 Alkaaran: It's not very shiny. It only really has to offer a nice development environment, macros, and a totally nice object system. 16:26:01 schme: Java, C, PHP. Languages that are very popular 16:26:26 Alkaaran: Aha.. The ones with horrible object system and no macros. :) 16:27:04 Landr: nope :p 16:27:06 Alkaaran: I'm curious here though. Who has gotten Java and PHP to "shine" ? :) 16:28:01 schme: err, let's say, vast community, lot of tutorials, job offers :) 16:28:24 SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust874.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:27 -!- SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust874.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 16:28:27 SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 16:28:41 Oh no, not this again 16:28:41 Hey all good points. 16:28:42 but I'm not here to launch troll, just to learn :p 16:28:52 right 16:28:59 but you entered the channel with a troll 16:29:02 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:29:03 nice try kid 16:29:10 heres a quarter go get your self a php tutorial 16:29:11 :) 16:29:13 hohum: yeah, sorry about that ;) 16:29:32 Alkaaran: lisp is bad and we're all stupid, have a nice day 16:29:37 no your not 16:29:39 :) 16:29:41 stop lying 16:29:50 oskar__ [~oskar@c83-250-205-17.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 16:29:52 holycow: "You're". 16:29:59 billitch [~billitch@62.201.142.88] has joined #lisp 16:30:00 holycow: no, really i am 16:30:02 -!- salva_oz [~kvirc@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:30:02 lol :) 16:30:14 Alkaaran: .Net, Java, PHP, python, etc. are much better options if you're looking for a huge job market and a good collection of solid libraries, for sure. 16:30:18 mheld [~mheld@74.125.60.4] has joined #lisp 16:30:54 Second question, are there Mac Users here, which IDE/editor/compiler do you use ? 16:31:05 Alkaaran: I use emacs and SBCL. 16:31:18 Alkaaran: Pretty much everyone uses emacs 16:31:25 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:31:37 schme: yeah, I know. But here's the fact : I'm pretty forced to learn it 16:31:58 Xach, drdo : thx 16:33:35 -!- SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:33:57 -!- oconnore [~eric@wsip-70-168-242-70.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:34:27 For all the popularity of Java I find the tutorials rather lacking 16:34:30 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 16:34:52 probably just me, I can't quite put my finger on what is the issue. 16:35:04 -!- wvdschel [~wim@unaffiliated/yukito] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:19 -!- xan_ [~xan@38.Red-80-25-35.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:36:33 Guthur: well, we have a french site http://www.siteduzero.com/ (translates as siteofthenoob) which explain it in a nooby/friendly way 16:38:01 -!- mheld [~mheld@74.125.60.4] has quit [Quit: mheld] 16:40:09 ok thanks to all of you, i'm glad to know that lisp have a community, see you later :) 16:40:29 -!- Hun [~Hun@80.81.19.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:00 -!- Alkaaran [~alkaaran@LPuteaux-151-43-31-70.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Alkaaran] 16:41:09 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:41:17 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.137.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:41:21 Alkaaran: Depending on what you actually mean when you're saying you're "forced to learn lisp" you might be better off with a gentle introduction to symbolic computation than pcl and/or lol. 16:43:05 -!- jobf [~jfranck@c-9fbde555.03-87-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:43:29 -!- paradoja [~paradoja@211.pool80-103-161.dynamic.orange.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:45:25 ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has joined #lisp 16:46:22 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 16:49:04 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-20-39.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:45 -!- powerje [~powerj@rrcs-74-218-15-82.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: powerje] 16:55:39 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 16:57:49 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.181.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:59:43 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.210.120] has joined #lisp 17:03:21 wvdschel [~wim@d54C18E4F.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 17:03:28 -!- wvdschel [~wim@d54C18E4F.access.telenet.be] has quit [Changing host] 17:03:29 wvdschel [~wim@unaffiliated/yukito] has joined #lisp 17:05:47 SpitfireWP_ [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 17:05:48 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:07:00 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:09:52 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:10:55 milanj [~milanj_@178-223-146-93.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 17:11:22 -!- sacho [~sacho@90.154.204.70] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:22 sacho_ [~sacho@90.154.204.70] has joined #lisp 17:12:38 mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has joined #lisp 17:12:38 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.26] has joined #lisp 17:12:38 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has quit [Changing host] 17:12:38 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 17:13:45 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 17:14:15 if you lack curiosity to the extent that learning lisp seems like a chore, I think being a programmer is probably not your vocation. 17:14:49 this is obviously an opinion on the margin of normalcy 17:16:52 maybe not so much of a chore but more of a cost/benefit analysis. 17:18:11 If we take the 'call' meaning of vocation, then I'm not sure cost/benefit comes into it. 17:18:19 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.141.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:18:28 the call ? 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17:39:22 early-c.lisp, unix.lisp etc..in runtime/x86 specific things regarding threads etc... 17:39:25 thread.lisp! 17:39:28 target-thread.lisp 17:39:31 we got a lisp slave ? 17:39:32 -!- quasi_ [u404@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbbjttmcxglsrjql] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:39:35 weee 17:39:35 why does src/motif/tables.c include "TypeTable.h" which is nowhere in that dir ? 17:39:38 ClassTable.h and StringTable.h are absent too 17:39:41 err, sorry it's cmucl's 17:39:44 oh man sorry found it, i wasn't in the right source dir 17:39:48 is it normal that one librarypath is spec'd with -L/usr/X11R6/lib then that -lXp should fail when the library path does not exist ? 17:40:58 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755d90.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:00 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-junkdrydpmfuemdy] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:41:08 quasi_ [u404@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ccupncuwisvixocl] has joined #lisp 17:41:29 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:41:29 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43:06 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 17:43:17 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has left #lisp 17:43:53 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-122-71.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43:57 guaqua_ [gua@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #lisp 17:44:25 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@ip64-75-228-130.hsia.aloha.net] has quit [Quit: dysinger] 17:44:38 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:45:27 -!- guaqua [gua@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:46:08 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-221-206.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:08 common-slip 17:46:13 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 17:46:23 löl 17:47:17 homie: less noise, please. 17:48:02 pkhuong: did you build cmucl lately ? 17:48:25 pkhuong: did you get any errors with the build-utils thing ? 17:48:25 no. 17:48:31 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 17:48:40 salva_oz [~kvirc@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 17:49:28 pkhuong: motif fails here somewhere, the first time i build ld fails, the second time it mutters something about XP not a package or so, and it's exactly where ld fail -lXp 17:49:49 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:50:27 -!- stdDoubt [~ptiago@darwin.di.uminho.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:52:32 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-127-173.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 17:53:12 maybe it's an ld bug actually 17:54:59 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@pD9E2787C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:16 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:57:32 bsod1 [~osa1@188.58.244.116] has joined #lisp 17:57:58 -!- drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:02 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 17:58:16 drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 18:02:47 -!- splittist [~John@21-29.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 18:03:28 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 18:03:31 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:04:14 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 18:06:37 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@145.120.22.20] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:07:00 horze [~kim@c-0b1072d5.24-87-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:07:44 eslick [~eslick@173-13-186-118-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:07:44 eslick_ [~eslick@173-13-186-118-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:29 Hum. Is bordeaux-threads being maintained? 18:09:51 I'd like to add support for process-wait; but don't know what to do on some platforms 18:09:54 Fare: seems like. There's a mailing list with traffic. 18:10:17 I submitted a patch to b-t.devel for ABCL two weeks ago, but no one has picked it up. 18:10:19 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:10:37 Someone should kick Stelian (Fenix)... 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He ought to know better. 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force-output on the right stream? 19:48:30 yes 19:48:44 and nothing different with finish-output 19:49:41 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755d90.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:18 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 19:51:49 daniel_ [~daniel@p5B3269B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:46 ow that's good 19:54:49 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082B1B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55:16 I removed the :wait nil by mistake 19:55:56 so, force-output + ~% works 19:56:05 thanks guys ! 19:56:07 Does ecl consume less memory than sbcl for example and how do I measure the used memory by sbcl? 19:56:15 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 19:56:15 clhs room 19:57:15 -!- SpitfireWP_ is now known as SpitfireWP 19:57:45 benny [~benny@i577A71B9.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:00:14 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-172-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:32 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(setf foo (remove bar foo)) and (setf foo (delete bar foo)) ??? what difference? 22:58:13 in destructiveness, obviously 22:58:18 joast [~rick@CPE-76-178-178-72.natnow.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:05 again the question I already asked above; "what is the *advantage*" of destructiveness in this case? 22:59:25 it conses less? 22:59:58 do you the difference between creating a new sequence and modifying the existing one? 23:00:09 francogrex: if you're processing results that are guaranteed to be fresh, there's no need to keep consing with non-destructive functions 23:00:57 unless those results are already referenced somewhere else 23:01:08 (but then they're not so fresh, are they?) 23:02:11 -!- oskar__ [~oskar@c83-250-205-17.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:02:32 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@iburst-41-213-90-61.iburst.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:03:00 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:05 ok and exessive consing slows down? (less speed of a program)? 23:04:13 if you don't know what excessive consing means, you shouldn't care about it, until you need to 23:04:55 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 23:05:03 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-130-48.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:05:14 francogrex: yes, due to eventual garbage collection. the more garbage you generate, the more times you'll suffer from it 23:06:11 s/times/often 23:06:22 ok 23:07:54 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-172-3.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:08:16 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:09:01 -!- longshot [~longshot@216.131.74.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:09:29 allocation itself is not for free, but i believe gc costs way more 23:10:29 the more garbage you have, the happier the gc 23:10:45 (provided that you have less live data) 23:14:06 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-233-195-101.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 23:14:52 Even gc issues aside, more consing means more time and more space, if there's no need for it, why do it? 23:16:10 and the next comment will be "hey, if using GC means more time and more space, why not use malloc() and free()" 23:17:15 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:19:08 powerje [~powerj@75.60.210.184] has joined #lisp 23:20:44 -!- rfg [~rfg@host81-102-106-187.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has quit [Quit: rfg] 23:21:07 stassats: or better yet, stack allocate no matter what 23:21:26 i stack allocate my lunch 23:21:34 this is real, i've seen actual code use this for huge strings: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/87zae4a3(VS.80).aspx#atl30stringconversionmacros 23:21:42 oh well, that went in the wrong direction 23:21:57 -!- TheSeparateOne [~jeffrey@ip72-207-124-108.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:56 mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:25:19 -!- entropond [~entrosca@ip98-167-231-101.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:24 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.208.84] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 23:30:07 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:30:27 drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 23:31:57 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-7-55.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:32:31 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-204-63.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:19 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: BrandLeeJones] 23:34:14 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-53-235.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:34:16 -!- kmwallio [~kmwallio@pool-96-241-63-3.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:27 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 23:34:57 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-188.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:35:38 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:35:50 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:36:41 -!- cmm- [~cmm@bzq-79-183-204-63.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:37:32 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:38:06 kanru [~kanru@118-168-238-114.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:08 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.67.165] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:39:52 -!- cinch [~cinch@85-127-96-92.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:46:21 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@219.84-48-88.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 23:46:41 cmm- [~cmm@bzq-79-183-204-63.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:58 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-130-48.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:48:11 entropax [~entropi@nat/intel/x-chehpextbhijhuqe] has joined #lisp 23:48:39 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633637.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 23:48:55 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-89-217-165-58.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:49:28 -!- Frakk [~Frakk@host28-49-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Frakk] 23:49:34 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 23:50:03 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633637.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:50:19 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-204-63.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:51:16 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:52:04 -!- superflit_ [~superflit@140.226.49.160] has quit [Quit: superflit_] 23:53:05 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 23:55:02 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:55:31 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:58:33 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 23:58:43 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]