00:00:43 -!- murilasso [~murilasso@201.53.194.114] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:01:09 -!- mejalx [~mejalx@li175-121.members.linode.com] has left #lisp 00:04:00 -!- disumu [~disumu@pD4B9E9A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:43 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:08:31 -!- straterra [~straterra@fuhell.com] has left #lisp 00:09:15 -!- devinus [~devinus@ps23102.dreamhost.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:09:31 devinus [~devinus@ps23102.dreamhost.com] has joined #lisp 00:10:47 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 00:10:48 hey. 00:11:24 does this make sense? "A single record, however, does not a database make." .. it might but i personally think it should be "A single record, however, does not make a database." 00:12:15 The former is a "funnier" way to say the latter. 00:12:37 oh, i see. 00:12:57 I'm suddenly getting -> Don't know how to REQUIRE SB-SPROF. 00:13:08 when trying to require sb-sprof 00:13:16 craiggles: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/one_swallow_does_not_a_summer_make - it's a snow clone of that. 00:13:44 kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::29:bc16] has joined #lisp 00:13:47 I've probably fubar'd my SBCL installation 00:14:19 (google fu: '"does not a" make' - first hit. nice search engine, that) (: 00:15:42 -!- drl [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:56 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 00:17:04 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 00:18:25 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:39 erory [~rory_elri@203-206-172-3.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 00:22:30 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:01 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 00:25:31 pnq [~nick@AC820F70.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 00:28:34 mitre_ [~chatzilla@fl-74-4-76-189.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:41 -!- mitre_ [~chatzilla@fl-74-4-76-189.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:29:50 -!- [df] [~df@163.8.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:58 -!- mitre [~chatzilla@fl-74-4-76-189.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:30:05 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483C5BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:30:05 [df] [~df@163.8.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #lisp 00:36:38 antifuchs: "does not a * make" also works. i've been trying to find a good use-case for *, too! 00:37:03 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-129-69.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:38:05 Hehe, WITH-REDUCERS was just a minor edit of WITH-CHAMPIONS, mostly removing features and renaming a few variables. 00:38:05 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:38 OliverUv [~gandhi@34.81-167-250.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:55 -!- OliverUv [~gandhi@34.81-167-250.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:39:03 unicode [~user@95.214.87.206] has joined #lisp 00:39:39 Hexstream: nobody cares. 00:39:53 -!- arborist [~arborist@g224208197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:11 Hmm, can you compile CLX with the latest CVS sbcl? I get a failed aver. 00:40:16 -!- kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::29:bc16] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:40:20 *Xach* backs up to 1.0.45 00:40:21 I'm sure you've surveyed the 331 people in this rom. 00:40:26 room* 00:43:08 Hexstream: they're just too polite. 00:43:49 *rtoym* is not particularly interested, even though he doesn't particularly like loop either. ;-) 00:44:26 You're so full of yourself sometimes, Xach. You only get away with it because you're a very valuable contributor. 00:44:28 Does anyone happen to have 1.0.45 or so already installed? Can you give clx a try? (ql:quickload "clx") will do the trick. 00:44:54 Hexstream: Maybe. You're also pretty annoying, and the constant trashing of loop is pretty unwelcome. 00:45:17 Hexstream: I know you're just trying to market something that has nothing in particular to merit attention, but still. No need for it. 00:45:42 Hexstream: Try bragging on your blog instead, where it can be more easily ignored. 00:46:27 That's IT! I'm not inviting you to my marriage after all!! You went too far! 00:48:05 hyperbole? 00:48:05 It's not my fault if my present focus of interest is mightily uninteresting to you. 00:48:42 If everyone thinks I'm annoying and boring and they're too "polite" to say it, well, damn, not my problem. 00:49:03 It is your problem, so please just lurk. 00:49:16 I bow before thee majesty. 00:50:54 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@183-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:51:01 fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.100.228.254] has joined #lisp 00:51:02 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:51:44 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@61.48.68.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:52:25 adx [~adx@pool-173-66-68-7.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:53:41 Xach: ooh, that * operator neat. 00:53:43 didn't know about it 00:54:18 *Xach* gets sbcl from git, gets to bisectin' 00:54:26 yay 00:54:36 antifuchs: do *you* have 1.0.45 handy? 00:54:41 -!- Trystam is now known as Tristam 00:54:42 I don't, sorry 00:54:49 my latest is 1.0.44.something 00:54:55 I'm ancient, I'm afraid 00:55:04 antifuchs: got a moment to try building clx? it's just a quickload away... 00:55:19 was just on my way out, actually... sorry 00:55:24 Ok. 00:55:29 will try to do it in the evening if you still need it 00:56:05 PCChris [~PCChris@wireless-165-124-137-209.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 01:00:08 *Xach* tries on 32 bit 01:00:28 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.58.5] has joined #lisp 01:03:10 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-135-146-116.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:03:47 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-131-233.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:06:19 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-130-238.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:10:29 You've actually sort of got a point. I'll make my own channel so that I may be easily ignored. This way I can really babble about my stuff without problems. I realize things will really get unworkable when I have several projects I deem interesting to talk about. 01:13:16 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@189.100.228.254] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:14:38 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:10 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@178.2.109.24] has quit [Quit: humhum] 01:16:24 -!- Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 01:17:49 -!- tic [~tic@c83-249-196-184.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:19:17 jimrthy [~jimrthy@ip68-13-249-220.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:20:16 mitre [~chatzilla@fl-74-4-76-189.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:44 -!- sadeness_ [~zebadaia@altlinux/developer/sadeness] has quit [Quit: so long and thank you for fish!] 01:21:56 -!- kaemo [~mad5ci@d38-66.icpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:22:40 -!- aack [~user@a83-163-241-74.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:58 adeht [void@91.121.18.93] has joined #lisp 01:24:42 Torque [~evilbooge@74.40.36.166] has joined #lisp 01:26:15 tic [~tic@c83-249-196-184.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 01:27:22 -!- Torque [~evilbooge@74.40.36.166] has left #lisp 01:27:27 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.51] has joined #lisp 01:28:15 mdh [~user@cpe-98-155-87-40.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:28:37 kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::29:c6de] has joined #lisp 01:29:03 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 01:29:04 i'm having trouble finding the sbcl stream extensions paper - what is the url for this gem? 01:30:20 what stream extensions paper? there are descriptions for gray/simple-streams in the sbcl manual 01:31:10 nah, there was this brilliant paper presented (maybe at ILC) that discussed stream extensions specific to sbcl 01:31:41 sure you don't mean sequence extension? 01:31:56 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 01:32:10 *mdh* looks 01:33:52 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.89] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:34:04 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.89] has joined #lisp 01:34:05 -!- silenius [~silenus@cpe-76-87-89-40.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34:44 apologies, yes (currently drink programming), the christophe rhodes paper. thx. 01:36:00 http://www.doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas01cr/papers/ilc2007/sequences-20070301.pdf 01:37:00 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:37:36 jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:37:54 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 01:38:24 echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 01:39:04 yup, that is it. bitchin' work. want to take a look and see if it supports definition of infinite sequences. 01:40:39 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:43 no, it assumes the sequence is finite 01:41:55 reuqires length 01:42:31 _nix00 [~Adium@61.172.241.100] has joined #lisp 01:44:30 what do you peeps think is the 'right' cl way to implement cons-stream as specified in sicp, so that the implementation is harmonious with existing streams and/or sequence language features? 01:45:13 "stream" is an ambiguous term.. the CL sense is different from the SICP sense.. 01:45:35 mdh: Unfortunately the base layer of CL is not very extensible. 01:45:55 mdh: So the answer is probably to abstract all of the things in CL that you think ought to be streams in the same way. 01:45:57 -!- coyo [~coyotama@pool-71-164-234-131.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:46:01 minion: pipes 01:46:01 pipes: pipes is a library that implements input streams. http://www.cliki.net/pipes 01:46:25 Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-141-177-143.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:46:52 yoonkn [~yoonkn@112.221.19.139] has joined #lisp 01:47:07 *mdh* pipes 01:47:21 -!- erory [~rory_elri@203-206-172-3.perm.iinet.net.au] has left #lisp 01:48:35 erory [~rory_elri@203-206-172-3.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 01:49:57 (ql:system-apropos "pipes") - awesome. 01:50:23 -!- sanchaz is now known as sanchaz-away 01:57:37 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:59:01 sellout- [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:18 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:19 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 02:02:36 didi [~user@scorpion.tdkom.psi.br] has joined #lisp 02:04:04 (apropos ...) 02:04:27 why isn't it integrated? 02:04:55 thx adeht, pipes is right on. 02:05:07 because apropos serves a different purpose 02:05:39 antifucks, which is? 02:07:14 I have asked you more than once to use my real name in the past. I will not ask again. 02:08:19 ok andreas 02:09:02 Didn't know you were that touchy 02:11:07 It's not being touchy, it's expecting basic respect. 02:12:49 like deciphering a name though a deliberate haze 02:12:59 Andreas Tiberius Fuchs? 02:13:12 look my name is John Petter Thingstad . 02:13:24 Only here am I younder. 02:14:47 What exactly makes your nick unacceptable to you? 02:16:02 younder: it's fucHs, not fucks :-) 02:16:23 rotfl sorry 02:16:43 and the effort that it takes to type "fucks" instead of tab-completing the name 02:17:14 I actually didn't say that 02:18:31 kmwallio [~kmwallio@host113-70.brownlie.fit.edu] has joined #lisp 02:19:20 antifuchs: sorry if I offended you 02:20:09 udzinari` [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 02:20:49 yeah, I use X-Chat same as the rest of you 02:23:56 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:24:56 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@61.172.241.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:03 Right. Much better to be associated with the spy who gave the bomb to the Russians... 02:25:20 _nix00 [~Adium@61.172.241.100] has joined #lisp 02:26:07 You didn't get that 'Andreas' bit did you? 02:27:30 younder: Your last 13 messages have been unrelated to lisp. 02:27:40 true 02:30:06 annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:32 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: night] 02:32:04 rmarianski [~rmariansk@user-387h3rc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 02:33:05 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:33:34 ok antifuchs is now Claus :) 02:40:53 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 02:42:46 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 02:44:36 -!- unicode [~user@95.214.87.206] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:47:36 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:47:40 -!- annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:48:07 ferostar [~ferostar@201.250.46.13] has joined #lisp 02:49:05 Kruno [dced8607@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.237.134.7] has joined #lisp 02:49:12 Hello 02:49:36 annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:49:39 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50:55 iwillig [~ivan@ool-18b944f4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:50:55 I think I may have been using Java/C++/Python for far too long. I think some habbits have crept into CLOS. 02:52:18 For instance, I created a point-2d class (temporary), that allows subtraction of points. I am returning a new instance of the class with the point delta in there. 02:53:07 What could be worse than (defmethod diff (...) ... (make-instance 'point-2d :x (- x2 x1) :y (- y2 y1)))? 02:54:27 I guess I don't understand the question. 02:54:34 Let's say I have the following function: (defun useless-closure (x) (let ((y (+ x 3))) (lambda (z) (+ y z)))); how is this handled in the background? my understanding is there's only one version of the lambda in the form of compiled machine code. 02:54:47 If that's true, however, how can you change the lexical environment on the fly? 02:54:49 -!- kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::29:c6de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:55:01 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:55:10 is the lambda a pointer to an environment and the actual procedure? 02:55:55 necroforest: A closure is a pairing of a function and an environment. 02:56:02 ok, that makes sense 02:56:13 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:56:49 When you enter the LET, an environment is created. The code of the LAMBDA is compiled only once and there are "holes" in it, conceptually, which are "filled" by the environment. 02:57:18 Kruno: I really haven't been cleared to post here, but I'm pretty sure I understand what you're asking (coming from pretty much the same background) 02:57:41 so if you have something like (lambda (x) (...)), it compiles into something like (lambda (x current-lexical-environment) ...) 02:57:42 Formally, these "holes" are called "free variables". For instance, y is a free variable in your lambda, there. 02:57:56 right, i understand closures, i just was curious on how they are implemented 02:58:10 (lambda (arg1 arf2 ...) (body) (val1 val2)) == let 02:58:12 Very efficiently! 02:58:49 *Anything* "could" be worse...that seems like a pretty reasonable implementation to me, until/unless your profiler tells you it isn't 02:59:07 necroforest: Obviously it's implementation dependent. http://ccl.clozure.com/blog/?p=53 tries to explain how Clozure CL does it. 02:59:25 rme: yeah, that's true... 02:59:46 Good morning everyone! 02:59:49 try looking up 'function' 02:59:53 I feel really dirty creating a new instance of an object in a method, within the Lisp language. :/ 02:59:56 Morning Beach 03:00:28 morning beach! 03:00:33 I just wanted to make sure that if I have n closures over the same lambda form i don't end up with n copies of the lambda function in memory 03:00:46 How are things down under? 03:00:47 nefo [~nefo@2402:f000:5:8f01::143:81] has joined #lisp 03:00:47 -!- nefo [~nefo@2402:f000:5:8f01::143:81] has quit [Changing host] 03:00:47 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 03:01:06 necroforest, they are! 03:01:24 necroforest, they won't. 03:02:04 younder: You asking me? I'm in France. 03:02:14 oops 03:02:26 I'm in Australia, and it is raining. 03:02:27 sorry froggy 03:02:38 Kruno: There is no reason to believe that creating an object in a method is bad style. 03:03:23 Thanks. I was not sure if I was being Lispy enough. Mainly due to habbits from other languages creeping in on my Lisp coding. 03:04:04 Kruno: Lisp is very forgiving because of its multi-paradigm nature. 03:04:29 Kruno: A method is just a partial implementation of a function, for a particular combination of types of its arguments. 03:04:33 -!- superflit [~superflit@140.226.49.160] has quit [Quit: superflit] 03:04:40 Don't worry too much about "good style" when starting, just get going. I've been doing lisp for years and I'm doing not too bad despite having a not-so-good style ;P 03:05:12 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:29 A method is a partial implementation of a function? /me hits the books 03:05:47 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 03:06:58 I see. Methods are not functions. They can not be passed. 03:06:58 What else would it be? 03:07:31 kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::29:d76c] has joined #lisp 03:07:47 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 03:08:09 I thought lisp handled methods like functions. :o 03:08:50 Kruno: A method is part of a generic function. 03:08:57 methods are code fragments that are assembled within a generic function. 03:09:36 -!- jimrthy [~jimrthy@ip68-13-249-220.ok.ok.cox.net] has left #lisp 03:10:14 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-wcpgvspujkvupiuk] has joined #lisp 03:11:41 I see. Generic function chooses what to execute. 03:12:10 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:16:31 -!- ferostar [~ferostar@201.250.46.13] has quit [] 03:16:49 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:17 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:24:13 Kruno: So you just started with Lisp? 03:24:23 Sad thing is, no. 03:24:36 Haven't done much work with it in recent years. 03:24:50 What made you decide to come back to it? 03:25:11 It is still the nicest looking language around 03:26:24 Python tries to do far too much in as compact a manner as possible. C++ ..., Java feels extremely limited, and all the other languages just don't do it for me. 03:26:44 Kruno: Welcome back then! 03:26:58 Lisp can look impressively good when written well. 03:28:53 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 03:32:38 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has left #lisp 03:32:57 cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.20.223] has joined #lisp 03:33:26 Kruno: Are you writing software as a professional? 03:33:43 Used to for a year in Python. 03:33:47 Sorry, Perl^ 03:33:57 Python was 2 years before that. 03:34:10 For a few months. 03:34:31 -!- fgump [~gump@cpat001.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34:55 -!- jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:07 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-119.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:37:56 off to get some food. bye for now. 03:38:56 -!- rfg [~rfg@host81-102-107-229.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has quit [Quit: rfg] 03:40:16 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-221-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:40:56 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:42:39 -!- Kruno [dced8607@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.237.134.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:51:53 DONKEYS_GALORE [~njb@c-66-235-32-232.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 03:52:39 -!- skalawag [~user@c75-111-102-202.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has left #lisp 04:01:13 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:00 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:30 -!- annihilator [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:00 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:21 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:14 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.93.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:40 lemoinem [~swoog@183-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 04:12:25 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-152-12.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 04:19:03 -!- mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:20:32 -!- chemuduguntar [~user@smtp.touchcut.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:22:45 mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:22:54 -!- nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:12 http://lispgamesdev.blogspot.com/2010/12/color-blocks-for-visual-programming.html here's how my lisp blocks editor widget is looking 04:25:06 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@183-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:25:29 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: If only your veins were filled with oil, the world would rush to your rescue!] 04:27:05 lemoinem [~swoog@183-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 04:34:29 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@85-065.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:37:28 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37:58 Salamander__ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-58-228.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:39:43 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-93-54.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:49:40 -!- az [~az@p5796C6F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:51:41 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@61.172.241.100] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:51:42 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-141-177-143.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:52:04 Draggor [~Draggor@adsl-99-141-206-131.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:42 m7d [~lriley@pool-71-102-212-31.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:54:15 quick question: is it still the case that OS X point releases necessitate recompiles of CCL based Cocoa apps? 04:54:36 No. That hasn't been necessary for some time. 04:54:44 rme: Yeah! 04:55:09 rme: thanks for the quick response 04:56:15 if i want to do some commercial os x app dev using ccl are there other issues i should be aware of, e.g., threading issues, compatbility issues, etc? 04:57:14 az [~az@p5796CF03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 04:57:40 -!- erory [~rory_elri@203-206-172-3.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57:54 -!- clog [nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:58:51 Well, threads are a headache because Cocoa is generally not thread-safe, and you generally have to call Cocoa methods in the initial thread. But that's not specific to ccl. 05:00:34 There are some open questions on how you would distribute a "universal" binary. It's easy enough to make the lisp kernel binary "universal", but we'd probably need to add some more smarts to it so that it could locate and load the correct heap image. 05:00:43 jleija [~jleija@74-92-192-178-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 05:01:18 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 05:02:43 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:50 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:03:14 -!- iwillig [~ivan@ool-18b944f4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:04:00 rme: i see. ccl is my fav environment and i paul krueger has a nice write up about using it for cocoa stuff so i am kind of hoping to use it. i can use gambit-c scheme instead for the same, but i am not as experienced with scheme. 05:04:54 has anyone actually deployed a commercial app cocoa app using ccl i wonder? i know they have many times using gambit-c 05:05:16 -!- jleija [~jleija@74-92-192-178-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:07:00 CCL's Cocoa bridge works quite well. Give it a try; you'll probably like it. 05:09:05 rme: yeah, i have tried it and i do like it, i am just trying to suss out the commercial deployment/viability aspects - i just don't know where i might get bit and i don't want to invest too much time if i get bit later 05:09:15 kushal [~kdas@nat/redhat/x-orslydmdhkfenzrs] has joined #lisp 05:09:19 -!- kushal [~kdas@nat/redhat/x-orslydmdhkfenzrs] has quit [Changing host] 05:09:20 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:10:47 rme: thanks for your input, i'll do a bit more research and an A/B with gambit-c 05:11:00 good luck 05:11:27 thanks 05:11:30 -!- m7d [~lriley@pool-71-102-212-31.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: m7d] 05:13:28 -!- Salamander__ is now known as Salamander 05:14:45 ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has joined #lisp 05:15:28 hi, is it possible to get information about the reader (file-position?) during macro-expansion? 05:15:58 I think the input stream is bound to a special. 05:16:14 but I presume that you mean reader macros? 05:16:33 If that position will be meaningful or not is another question ... 05:16:49 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: sbahra] 05:17:20 psilord [~psilord@adsl-76-204-103-81.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:17:21 -!- psilord [~psilord@adsl-76-204-103-81.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 05:17:21 Zhivago: I would like to insert something about current file position with the macro 05:17:45 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:18:01 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:18:03 sometimes it wont be sensible information, but if it only works on load-ed or compiled lisp files that's enough for me 05:18:37 -!- silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:21:06 Well, the question you have to ask yourself is "how far ahead has this reader implementation decided to read?" 05:21:13 -!- DONKEYS_GALORE [~njb@c-66-235-32-232.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:21:55 Zhivago: I found some specials in /usr/share/sbcl-source/src/compiler/main.lisp, thanks! 05:23:17 -!- yoonkn [~yoonkn@112.221.19.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25:38 Taiyou` [~Taiyou@bas3-toronto47-1242432918.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 05:29:21 s1ugg0 [~chrish@c-75-64-77-87.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:36 aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.74.58] has joined #lisp 05:37:36 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@user-387h3rc.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: good night] 05:40:35 sacho [~sacho@79-100-173-234.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 05:42:18 -!- ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:42:55 -!- pnq [~nick@AC820F70.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:43:13 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:43:15 -!- kmwallio [~kmwallio@host113-70.brownlie.fit.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:10 mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 05:44:20 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-75-35-251.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 05:44:20 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:45:20 -!- s1ugg0 [~chrish@c-75-64-77-87.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #lisp 05:45:23 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:30 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:46:55 this is the closest I was able to find: (file-position (sb-c::source-info-stream sb-c::*source-info*)) 05:48:17 omdag [~bombom@cpe-98-148-108-153.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:49:10 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:17 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:21 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:25 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:49:25 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:29 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:33 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:37 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:41 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:45 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:49 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:53 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:49:54 sigh 05:49:57 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:01 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:05 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:09 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:09 eret [~bryce@173-96-237-142.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 05:50:13 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:17 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:21 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:25 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:29 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:33 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:37 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:41 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:45 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:49 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:53 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:50:57 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:01 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:03 no admins ? 05:51:05 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:09 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:13 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:13 Zhivago: You there? 05:51:17 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:21 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:25 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:31 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:33 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:37 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:41 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:45 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:49 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:53 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:57 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:51:57 that stupid automa 05:52:01 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:05 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:09 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:10 b0o-yeah [~b0o-yeah@unaffiliated/b0o-yeah] has joined #lisp 05:52:13 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:17 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:21 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:25 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:29 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:33 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:37 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:41 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:45 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:47 ebzzry [~ebzzry@203.213.202.186] has joined #lisp 05:52:49 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:53 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:52:57 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:01 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:05 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:06 someone shut him up 05:53:10 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:13 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:17 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:19 gryllida [gryllida@wikinews/Gryllida] has joined #lisp 05:53:21 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:25 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:26 Even #lisp is spammed too? 05:53:29 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:33 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:37 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:41 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:45 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:49 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:53 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:53:57 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:01 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:05 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:09 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:13 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:17 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:18 ebzzry, which other rooms are under attack ? 05:54:21 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:24 someone hit him with the hyperspec page for jackass 05:54:25 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:26 -!- ebzzry changed the topic of #lisp to: #lisp 05:54:29 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:33 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:37 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:38 jesus, why doe ignore not work? 05:54:39 kushal: not room, but c.l.l 05:54:41 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:45 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:45 does* 05:54:49 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:53 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:57 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:54:58 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-157-96.w92-134.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 05:54:58 -!- ebzzry changed the topic of #lisp to: 05:55:01 /ignore *!*@cpe-98-148-108-153.socal.res.rr.com all ? 05:55:01 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:04 Oh, the topic is not locked. 05:55:05 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:09 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:13 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:17 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:21 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:25 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:29 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:30 oh I see, hm. So topic changes still gets through. 05:55:33 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:36 yeah 05:55:37 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:41 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:41 Who's the SOP/AOP that left that setting open? 05:55:45 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:47 vorian [vorian@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.vorian] has joined #lisp 05:55:49 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:53 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:55:57 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:01 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:05 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:06 The channel op that left this thing wide open should be shot. 05:56:09 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:13 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:13 ebzzry: its usually not a problem:) 05:56:17 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:21 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:24 om/1 05:56:25 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:26 well, I would really blame my irc client which apparently doesn't detect zero-change in the topic, or doesn't allow more fine-grained ignores 05:56:29 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:34 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:37 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 05:56:38 Or really I would blame myself for not finding/writing such a client :P 05:56:43 So, who do we shoot? 05:56:44 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-nyueuwtjmpkksjou] has joined #lisp 05:56:44 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-nyueuwtjmpkksjou] has quit [Changing host] 05:56:44 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 05:57:05 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 05:57:11 stopped ! 05:57:56 jayne, which of the seven deadly sins do you have? 05:57:57 DONKEYS_GALORE [~njb@c-66-235-32-232.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 05:58:06 Lock the topic, then k+b that address 05:58:11 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@wireless-165-124-137-209.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:58:13 vorian: the 2007, I think 05:58:25 can you kline? 05:58:46 vorian: I think you know we don't share that information 05:58:51 -!- ebzzry changed the topic of #lisp to: Change this to something sensible. 05:59:04 so no then 05:59:20 -!- sacho changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL 1.0.45, mega1 p0wns hordes of C++ and Java programmers using his mad AI skillz (http://ai-contest.com/), ABCL 0.23.1, Bordeaux-Threads 0.8.0, CMUCL 20b, SBCL User Survey http://random-state.net/sbcl-survey-2010.html 05:59:21 because what he was doig is an autokline 05:59:34 -!- cmpitg is now known as gentoouser 05:59:42 -!- gentoouser [~cmpitg@113.22.20.223] has left #lisp 05:59:59 they said in #freenode that the user omdag told them they were spamming #lisp 06:00:14 which doesn't make much sense but it has stopped now, so that is a plus 06:00:18 yay 06:00:31 -!- vorian [vorian@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.vorian] has left #lisp 06:00:36 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:00:38 -!- omdag [~bombom@cpe-98-148-108-153.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:01:52 jewel [~jewel@196-215-114-74.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:04:08 omdag [~bombom@c-71-201-235-228.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:04:16 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:20 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:24 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:28 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:32 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:36 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:40 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:44 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:48 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:52 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:04:57 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:00 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:04 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:07 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:05:08 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:12 -!- eret [~bryce@173-96-237-142.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:05:12 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:16 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:20 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:24 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:28 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:32 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:36 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:40 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:44 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:48 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:52 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:05:55 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o antifuchs 06:05:56 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:06:00 -!- omdag changed the topic of #lisp to: WE HATE NIGGERS! WE HATE FAGGOTS! NO NIGGERS ALLOWED! NO FAGGOTS ALLOWED!!! IF YOU ARE A NIGGER OR A FAGGOT, LEAVE!! fun facts: did you know the average IQ of a nigger in the US is 85, almost one standard deviation lower than whites? did you know 70% of niglets shit out are shit out OUTSIDE of marriage? 06:06:01 -!- antifuchs has set mode +b *!~bombom@c-71-201-235-228.hsd1.il.comcast.net 06:06:01 -!- omdag [~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has been kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) 06:06:20 -!- antifuchs has set mode +t 06:06:39 -!- antifuchs changed the topic of #lisp to: . 06:07:06 antifuchs: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL 1.0.45, mega1 p0wns hordes of C++ and Java programmers using his mad AI skillz (http://ai-contest.com/), ABCL 0.23.1, Bordeaux-Threads 0.8.0, CMUCL 20b, SBCL User Survey http://random-state.net/sbcl-survey-2010.html 06:07:47 -!- antifuchs changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL 1.0.45, mega1 p0wns hordes of C++ and Java programmers using his mad AI skillz (http://ai-contest.com/), ABCL 0.23.1, Bordeaux-Threads 0.8.0, CMUCL 20b, SBCL User Survey http://random-state.net/sbcl-survey-2010.html 06:07:47 thanks, b0o-yeah. I was looking through the logs just now (: 06:07:47 -!- antifuchs changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL 1.0.45, mega1 p0wns hordes of C++ and Java programmers using his mad AI skillz (http://ai-contest.com/), ABCL 0.23.1, Bordeaux-Threads 0.8.0, CMUCL 20b, SBCL User Survey http://random-state.net/sbcl-survey-2010.html 06:08:00 (sorry for the second one) 06:08:25 -!- SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:09:55 let's leave it at +t for now... if anyone has newsworthy stuff, let the ops know or remove it in a couple of hours, when the kids have gone to sleep (: 06:10:10 ertz [~bryce@173-96-237-142.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 06:11:05 does anyone have clx working under sbcl? 06:11:50 churib [~tg@dslc-082-082-115-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 06:11:59 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 06:12:15 ertz: xach just posted a notice that it fails on recent sbcls to sbcl-devel 06:12:33 ertz: which /reminds/ me, I wanted a new sbcl to try this on 06:13:12 antifuchs: thanks :) 06:13:59 -!- b0o-yeah [~b0o-yeah@unaffiliated/b0o-yeah] has left #lisp 06:14:24 -!- aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.74.58] has quit [Quit: aceluck] 06:14:53 beach [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-157-96.w92-134.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:15:02 aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.74.58] has joined #lisp 06:15:12 he found a revision that breaks it. I think it's only a matter of time until nyef does something about it (: 06:20:26 dz0004455 [~dz0004455@c-98-198-92-3.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:22:39 hdurer_ [~holly@home.sinclair-durer.net] has joined #lisp 06:23:39 -!- mpedersen [~user@70.90.14.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:25:38 -!- HDurer_home [~holly@pdpc/supporter/active/hdurer] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:26:32 Ok, and with that, I have to drop couchdb 06:26:40 Cannot stand that app 06:28:51 seangrove: what happened? 06:30:52 Just unpleasant setting up the views for my personal lisp work, and then had to put out a fire on our production server 06:31:15 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 06:31:24 And realized I'm just not masochistic enough 06:31:43 yeck 06:31:51 rukubites [~user@d211-30-65-129.meb9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:34:08 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 06:38:44 chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-3-79.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:43:07 -!- rukubites [~user@d211-30-65-129.meb9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:47 -!- xinming_ [~hyy@122.238.78.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:49:12 seangrove: good for you. 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[~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01:08 is lisp-in-a-box recommended or was it superseded by something else? 10:03:06 H4ns```` [~user@p579F8C48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:03:22 petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has joined #lisp 10:03:53 -!- cmm [~cmm@109.67.205.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:04:10 tfb [~tfb@94.197.81.220.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:04:51 cmm [~cmm@109.67.205.172] has joined #lisp 10:06:44 -!- H4ns``` [~user@p579F8C45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:06:48 mega1: i don't know abut supersession, but i wouldn't recommend it because it's quite old 10:07:27 so if a non-lisper wants to have a peek at lisp what shall I recommend? 10:07:32 In a way quicklisp supersedes it. 10:07:46 ccl + quicklisp. 10:10:42 -!- kiuma_ [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:56 so install emacs and then quicklisp your way to happyness? 10:11:06 kiuma_ [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 10:11:36 mega1: maybe ask them to try lw's personal edition first. 10:12:58 hmm, that may be easier on IDE types 10:15:57 erory [~rory_elri@124-168-30-1.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:16:54 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.58.5] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:17:27 i found http://lispcabinet.sourceforge.net useful to get started (on windows), a single installer. 10:18:07 plage [~user@salle104.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has joined #lisp 10:18:10 G'day! 10:19:24 hi plage 10:20:33 I never quite understood those packages, why not just install emacs and some implementation? 10:22:46 -!- knobo [~user@138.80-202-64.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:24:25 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:24:34 well for me it was when i knew nothing about lisp, i do that now too, but I didn't know it's actually quite easy to configure 10:24:43 -!- lanthan_afh 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[~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::2a:9062] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:35:22 When I was asked whether I would make one of my Lisp applications available on Windows, I answered that if by *not* making it avaiable on Windows, I can convert a single person from Windows to Linux, I have won. 10:36:13 yakov [~yzaytsev@183.49.62.92.nienschanz.ru] has joined #lisp 10:36:33 I have to use it at work, it is actually surprising how limiting it can be 10:37:13 Guthur: What do you work on? 10:37:17 for some of the stuff I do, the Unix tools would be ideal, thinking sed and awk. 10:37:35 -!- kiuma_ [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 10:37:42 Guthur: But you use Lisp for your work? 10:37:51 drdo: Development, maintain a C# application 10:38:14 plage: I haven't been able to squeeze it in yet 10:38:30 Guthur: outch 10:38:51 I used python for the sed, awk replacement 10:39:08 Guthur: So to you it is more important to squeeze in Lisp and maintain Windows, than to squeeze in Linux? 10:39:15 Krystof [~csr21@nat66.mia.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:39:40 Guthur: Why does your company use that? 10:39:49 plage: I work for a large banking org, by options are very limited 10:40:04 by/my 10:40:07 It doesn't make sense in my head to be locked in like that 10:40:13 What's the economy advantage of that? 10:40:17 *economic 10:40:28 I'm really not sure 10:40:34 Guthur: My point is, they might be so limited it might not be worth trying to use Lisp on Windows, because not only can you not use Linux, you probably can't use Lisp either. 10:40:45 We are moving to C# for most client apps 10:40:53 the serverside stuff is usually Java 10:41:09 Guthur: What kind of software do you develop? 10:41:16 but on the application I am on the whole stack is nearly C# 10:41:36 drdo: This is a customer facing trading application 10:41:57 Guthur: Can you translate? :) 10:42:39 the application allows the customer to trade some financial products 10:43:17 plage: Unfortunately you are probably right, It's not going to be very likely that I will manage to squeeze lisp in 10:43:35 Clojure would probably be the best bet 10:43:53 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:44:16 Guthur: That's odd, i didn't know banks did that, i was pretty sure they just used a web site as a front end 10:47:26 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 10:48:12 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:15 drdo: there is a whole world of special-purpose financial applications. many are client-based because they need maximum speed and integration with other desktop tools. 10:48:19 -!- H4ns```` is now known as H4ns 10:49:26 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 10:50:33 mega1: szia :) 10:50:39 haho 10:50:55 bulibuta [~bulibuta@178.156.150.24] has joined #lisp 10:50:55 -!- bulibuta [~bulibuta@178.156.150.24] has quit [Changing host] 10:50:55 bulibuta [~bulibuta@unaffiliated/bulibuta] has joined #lisp 10:52:37 drdo: It actually used to be delivered via the browser, we have change to a client app now 10:53:43 Guthur: What made you change? 10:54:04 Joreji [~thomas@85-065.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 10:54:34 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 10:55:20 Hoornet [~Hoornet@93.103.24.156] has joined #lisp 10:55:45 drdo: Before my time, I personally wouldn't really complain much with the move 10:56:05 make's things a lot easier 10:56:12 It does? 10:56:36 I would think it would only bring all sorts of annoyances 10:56:41 Making applications in a browser is a royal PITA 10:57:03 drdo: developing interactive desktop applications is really easy nowadays. wheras creating good interactive ajax applications is generally painful. 10:57:18 Quite often browser based apps are just bad 10:57:19 Well, i don't really know what kind of application it is, i was imagining a fairly simple one 10:57:41 Like the one i use to do some stuff on my bank's website 10:58:05 drdo: It's complex enough, financial products can get very complex 10:58:17 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:58:40 But the client app just has to display it all effectively, all the work gets down at the backend naturally 10:59:30 -!- yahooooo [~yahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:59:31 I don't want to go into too much detail, just in case I say too much 10:59:42 petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has joined #lisp 10:59:52 Guthur: I don't even know what bank it is :) 10:59:57 Nor do i really care 11:00:41 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:00:47 And you're not saying anything really, what you said applies to pretty much every application of that sort, for banks or otherwise 11:01:04 -!- plage [~user@salle104.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has left #lisp 11:01:16 drdo: Yeah, it's not really that interesting either to be honest 11:02:24 I may have been able to bring zeromq into the project, which is an open source messaging framework 11:02:27 Guthur: I'm honestly interested in that sort of thing, as i'll probably go look for a job soon 11:02:47 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 11:02:47 I've only recently join the team anyway 11:02:47 And i'm afraid i'll only be able to find jobs similar to yours 11:02:54 Which i don't want 11:03:15 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-131-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:03:32 Yeah, the nature of things is that most development jobs seemed to be link the financial industry in some form 11:03:46 seemed/seem 11:03:57 I'll probably try to get a job at SISCOG 11:04:50 Do they use CL 11:04:55 yep 11:05:29 cool 11:05:40 -!- luis [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05:52 I mean, i wouldn't mind programming something such as python or ruby on an interesting project 11:06:00 my vague plan is to complete my MSc thesis, get a PhD then maybe move to lecturing 11:06:02 luis [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has joined #lisp 11:06:31 It just looks like most job offerings are for insanely boring projects using something horrible such as java 11:06:31 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-131-233.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:08:05 Well, if something is fun, there's someone doing it for free ... 11:08:42 flip214: For everything there is, someone finds it fun 11:08:51 Different people like different stuff 11:09:56 I mean, i know some people who find hand-writing html fun, so i really believe this :P 11:10:10 Guthur: I would strongly advise going into a PhD if it is only a vague plan 11:10:37 slightly depends on which educational system you're in, but usually a PhD is a heap of work and only limited fun 11:10:41 Krystof: Are PhD programs actually nice? 11:11:38 It looks a lot like it's a bunch of smug guys trying to produce more papers about whatever they can find so they can get more research money 11:12:55 drdo: once you have a phd, it is much easier to get the "interestingly sounding" jobs - if that is what you're looking for. 11:14:36 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@114.84.198.38] has joined #lisp 11:14:51 Krystof: My initial goal is really to get the MSc, after that I will apply, and then only seriously consider the PhD if I can get a scholarship 11:15:31 H4ns: I definitely don't want to be writing the world's nth gui and fetch stuff from a db application :S 11:15:58 drdo: a phd is not a guarantee that you'll not end up doing that, either :) 11:16:28 well, if we're talking jobs, note that a PhD decreases your expected lifetime earnings fairly substantially 11:16:36 The idea of getting a PhD doesn't look very appealing 11:16:55 drdo: well, it can be a lot of fun, too 11:16:56 This whole academia thing stinks 11:17:06 If you want to do university lecturing a PhD is a requirement 11:17:08 I enjoyed mine, up to a certain point -- and it gave me a lot of freedom, too 11:17:13 I would enjoy it a lot if it was as it is supposed to be 11:17:14 Guthur: that's not true, actually 11:17:51 In the UK it seems to be norm, there is a few with out but not many, from what I have heard 11:18:04 I regret majoring in CS 11:18:12 I would probably have been happier taking math 11:18:56 right, so not a "requirement". 11:19:30 if we're talking the UK, here's another data point: when we last advertised a lectureship, the number of credible applicants for the post was over 60 (the total number of applicants was over 200) 11:19:57 -!- Hoornet [~Hoornet@93.103.24.156] has left #lisp 11:20:05 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:20:12 eek, not filling with confidence there Krystof 11:20:20 filling/ filling me 11:20:22 stdDoubt [~ptiago@darwin.di.uminho.pt] has joined #lisp 11:20:28 Krystof: What does "credible" mean? 11:20:28 I don't intend to. To get a lectureship, you need to be both very good and insanely lucky 11:20:42 drdo: well, let's say "meets the minimum standard" 11:20:55 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 11:20:57 Guthur: this is why I'm advising you against it unless you really, really want to do it 11:21:04 Krystof: Well, i know that's what you intended to say, what i want to know is what that standard is 11:21:09 -!- chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:21:12 ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 11:22:03 That's not how it works around here mostly by the way 11:22:06 drdo: some previous teaching experience; a good, relevant research track record (several publications in good journals); demonstrable competence in one or more technical areas 11:22:16 how to execute the code inside a quoted list - for example '(code (+ 1 2)). I want to execute the expression (+ 1 2 ) that is returned by (cadr '(code (+ 1 2))). How can I do that? 11:22:25 drdo: as I said, it does depend on the educational system 11:22:26 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@183-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:22:27 Most professors just teach to "pay" for their research time 11:22:40 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:22:57 drdo: and how did they get to be professors in the first place? 11:23:14 (that is essentially the system in the UK, too, but you have to be appointed first!) 11:23:42 oh, and some plausible story for how the candidate would attract external research funding 11:23:51 Krystof: They mostly just stood around after graduating, started teaching the practical classes, got their PhDs and smoothly transitioned 11:25:46 drdo: which country? 11:26:19 stdDoubt: use eval, though having to use eval usually indicates a problem. 11:26:55 I miss fulltime academia, I'm working full time and trying to do my thesis in the evenings and weekends 11:27:20 drdo: That doesn't sound like any of the places I have worked in. 11:27:21 I'd rather just concentrate on working on my own stuff 11:27:34 I think drdo is a victim of seeing only the success cases 11:28:08 Zephyrus [~emanuele@2001:5c0:1000:b::83eb] has joined #lisp 11:28:30 spiaggia: I dont want to use eval 11:28:30 stdDoubt: Then you are out of luck. 11:28:30 yes, those who remain will have followed that path; those who wanted to, and yet didn't manage to will have started that path and then failed to get an assistant professorship, or failed to get tenure, or dropped out at one or other hurdle 11:28:30 andreer [~user@nat/yahoo/x-uwzwywfpgwygdauu] has joined #lisp 11:28:30 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@2001:5c0:1000:b::83eb] has quit [Changing host] 11:28:30 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 11:28:41 -!- H4ns [~user@p579F8C48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:34 I want to have a list that has some that and lists that contain code to be executed when the list is being processed. How can I achieve this? (with macros?) 11:29:38 Krystof: I assume you are a university lecturer or prof? 11:29:43 Yeah, tenure is why my wife isn't going into academia. Her committee is pushing her to be a professor, but she doesn't want the stress of it. 11:30:01 -!- drdo [~user@2001:690:2100:1b:226:8ff:fef7:3d9e] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:30:05 *lists that contain data and other lists... 11:30:19 stdDoubt: If you already have that list, it's too late. You have to figure out how you got there in the first place, and avoid it. 11:31:29 stdDoubt: If you know which ones are code when they get added to the list, you should wrap them in LAMBDAs at that point. 11:31:53 Krystof_ [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 11:32:17 Guthur: that's one of my hats, yes 11:32:23 I have been insanely lucky 11:33:18 I am defining a LL(1) grammar and I want when I am processing (parsing) a function to execute code (for example to build an abstract syntax tree) 11:34:00 Krystof_: do you find it a rewarding career? 11:34:00 the user supplies a LL(1) grammar and the code to execute in each rule 11:34:18 -!- Krystof [~csr21@nat66.mia.three.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:34:19 that is why I am asking how to execute the code inside a list 11:36:03 stdDoubt: Oh, so you know which entries is the list are code, then. 11:36:04 stdDoubt: Write your LL(1) parser as something that can be loaded (using cl:load), and make sure that the code is treated as such when loaded (say by wrapping it in a macro). Avoid reading your LL(1) parser with cl:read, because then it is too late, and you need to use eval. 11:36:07 Guthur: yes, and no. One of the frustrations is that after proving that you're good at research, and have a certain amount of teaching ability, and some good ideas, the first thing that happens is that you get a vast amount of paperwork to do 11:36:28 on the other hand, I am to some significant extent in control of my own destiny 11:36:49 I also like to think that I make my students less dangerously ignorant 11:36:55 Krystof_: Is that control a common thing, or something you have worked at 11:36:58 stdDoubt: That method has the additional advantage that you can compile your LL(1) parser, which makes the code in it compiled as well. 11:37:05 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@playboxgames.com] has left #lisp 11:37:07 it's a relatively common thing 11:37:12 -!- Krystof_ is now known as Krystof 11:37:25 I'd very much like that 11:37:39 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:37:50 Jabberwockey [~jgrabarsk@selene.ftk.de] has joined #lisp 11:38:15 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 11:38:50 Guthur: I consider a PhD to be a kind of international life insurance. You can use it pretty much anywhere in the world, and it is pretty much the only diploma that works as universally. 11:38:50 11:38:50 chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 11:41:28 Guthur: well, I'm only in charge of my destiny in as much as it fits in the current University environment 11:41:38 which, you may have noticed, is changing fairly substantially in the UK in the next few years 11:41:57 That is very true 11:42:32 I'll not pretend to understand what the repercussions of that may be 11:42:38 argh, nyef has been away for a week and sbcl is broken 11:43:03 (or clx is broken) 11:43:27 Krystof: If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been involved in Lecturing, and have you noticed a decline in the quality of entrants? 11:45:43 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@91-66-218-51-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:46:38 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:47:20 drdo [~user@194.210.228.104] has joined #lisp 11:47:51 pierrep [~ppasteau@bas11-montrealak-1177755963.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 11:48:00 -!- churib [~tg@dslc-082-082-115-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:51:49 The reason I asked is because I one of my lecturers said it had declined 11:52:12 Guthur: People have said that for a few 100 years. It just isn't true. 11:52:13 they say it all the time 11:52:24 He mentioned how students now lack basic academic skills, maths being the main issue 11:52:56 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:53:50 Guthur: yeah, and if you extrapolate, then 100 years ago very other student was a future fields-medallist or a nobel laureate 11:55:58 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 11:58:39 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.51] has joined #lisp 12:00:37 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:52 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 12:02:47 I believe it is true that the distribution of knowledge in undergraduates has changed in my time -- that is, that people know different things now 12:02:55 "I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on 12:02:56 frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond 12:02:56 words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and 12:02:56 respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise 12:02:57 [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC). 12:03:10 -!- chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:03:18 perceived difference in quality comes because the lecturer now remembers what they knew as an undergrad, and compares the new undergrad against that checklist 12:03:24 and it's been downhill ever since 12:03:55 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 12:04:19 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:04:25 one of my father's exams, possibly even his cambridge entrance exam, involved calculating prices for imperial units worth of mass of something, priced per volume in pounds, shillings and pence 12:04:37 there's a reason why we don't test that any more 12:05:19 They actually tested that? 12:07:13 yahooooo [~yahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:08:19 sure, along with a working knowledge of Greek 12:08:30 what do you mean, you don't know Greek? Of course you can't possibly come to our University 12:08:55 honestly, the standard of candidates is declining so much these days 12:11:20 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:11:58 chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 12:12:28 i guess that's like many things in life (ups and downs), it's hard (or lucky) to always have the ups 12:13:04 perhaps a sign that people or the community in general got comfortable and laxed a bit too much 12:13:06 Krystof: What would the point of knowing greek be? 12:13:43 Cin [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/zhuangzi] has joined #lisp 12:14:54 drdo: knowing "classic" languages gives one non-trivial insights into modern european languages, for one thing 12:15:18 it's another question whether you consider that valuable or not 12:15:53 cmm: learning any second language increases insight in languages and it's more useful to learn one with actual living native speakers 12:16:11 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:12 I think those who know classic language would disagree 12:16:16 cmm: I'm sure that's interesting for someone interested in linguistics 12:16:18 mal__: depends on your definition of "useful" 12:16:50 tcr: disagree about what ? 12:17:04 but then you naturally favor your own knowledge base because it's what you got to see the world in 12:17:18 fe[nl]ix: That it's less useful than learning a modern language 12:17:20 churib [~tg@dslc-082-082-115-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:17:27 drdo: that's not the point. It's part of what an undergraduate was expected to know 12:17:32 tcr: I did a hefty chunk of Latin in high school and I don't regret it but I think the same effect could be had with learning a living language 12:17:58 Bronsa [~bronsa@host138-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:18:02 it identified you as the sort of person who would benefit from a university education, and who met the expected knowledge of an undergrad for the system at the time 12:18:11 Krystof: Yes, we've established that, if they tested for it, it was the expected standard. My question is obviously "how is that standard chosen?" 12:18:31 why is that obviously your question? 12:18:36 drdo: tradition? 12:19:13 -!- iNtERrUpT [~interrupt@175.209.75.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19:14 and how is it different for what university entrants are expected to know now (and be told by their lecturers that it's less important/relevant/whatever than what their lecturers knew when they were undergraduates?) 12:19:14 which is still the same, but the requirements got weaker in the last half-century :) 12:19:15 Krystof: Because you saying they tested for it implies that it was the expected standard 12:19:20 -!- yahooooo [~yahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19:49 -!- huangjs [~user@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has left #lisp 12:19:57 drdo: isn't that... true? 12:20:02 -!- Cin [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/zhuangzi] has left #lisp 12:20:23 cmm: Yes, that's my point, he was asking why my question was obviously "how is that standard chosen?" 12:20:41 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:20:54 pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 12:21:13 Krystof: I'm genuinely interested why people thought that greek was important for everyone to know 12:21:35 not everyone, the right kind of people :) 12:21:55 drdo: they didn't _think_ that, they _knew_ that. and still do, just making adjustment to the modern educational realities 12:21:59 without wishing to derail this conversation any further: drdo, just because your first expression of your question is unclear doesn't mean that I can guess what you actually meant. Why did people have to know greek? One reason was that their elders, betters and teachers knew greek 12:22:17 they used the greek alphabet as a primitive cipher in the Boer war :) 12:22:33 Krystof: Tradition isn't a very good reason 12:22:57 drdo: People like to hang around with people that are like them 12:23:21 I don't view it as making much sense for someone not interested in further studying linguistics to be required to learn greek 12:23:22 sorry I dropped out of the convo, was getting new monitors, yippe 12:23:26 in the same vein, why do we today insist in torturing various groups of students with something called calculus that vaguely resembles real mathematics and is of no use whatsoever to them? 12:23:43 mal__: I keep asking people that 12:24:51 mal__: there's also the story of the well-educated english paratroopers dropped into greece in World War II, where they expected to be able to communicate with the natives. Apocryphal, I'm sure 12:24:53 sharps [~user@ip-118-90-25-99.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 12:25:11 It's no wonder students dislike those courses, they don't really teach much, they just expect you to be able to calculate a bunch of integrals so you can butcher mathematics on your physics courses 12:25:32 if you only know what you need to know right now, you never have what you need later 12:26:04 Krystof: lol. I think classical greek was then still the official language so he could find some civil servant to talk too. the language reform in greece was during or after the colonel's regime. 12:26:05 Krystof: No one is arguing that, i'm just wondering "why greek and not some other language?" 12:26:30 (this is not particularly a defence of Ancient Greek as the mark of the educated person, or calculus for that matter) 12:27:29 drdo: for physics students, it makes some sense. but we also do it for idiots and english majors :) 12:27:33 drdo: I'm not sure why you think that I am best placed to guess all the various historical and cultural effects that led to Ancient Greek being one of the components of a British education decades ago 12:27:57 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-3-79.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:27:58 I can guess, but I've already done so 12:28:07 and you've said that you don't like that answer. I'm sorry. 12:28:13 "obviously" so you could spell mathematical constants (pi), variables (alpha) and operators (sigma) 12:28:16 Krystof: I'm not claiming you are, i'm genuinely curious 12:28:24 pmd: :) 12:29:18 mal__: While i understand why they do that, no one likes that, both the teachers and students hate it 12:29:28 drdo: Because most ancient texts were either written in or directly avaiable in Ancient Greek, including the old philosophers, orators and politicians and the scholasts of the Middle Ages. 12:29:38 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 12:29:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@85-065.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:29:53 Jabberwockey: They makes sense for someone interested in the subjects you just enumerated 12:29:58 *That 12:30:09 Which isn't everyone 12:30:12 *_3b* wonders if lisp is one of thoe subjects 12:30:18 drdo: Well, school up to the 20th century was mostly studying those old texts so you pretty much had no choice. 12:30:46 drdo: Nowadays you don't read Aristotle anymore, but it stuck historically, using the argument that Greek and Latin were the founding blocks of the modern European languages. 12:30:54 I'm pretty sure Krystof's dad didn't live then 12:32:20 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:34:11 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:34:14 -!- chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:34:58 -!- echo-area [~user@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:32 -!- puddingpimp [~dave@118-92-133-85.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:37:09 yahooooo [~yahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:40:51 -!- pchrist_ is now known as pchrist 12:41:25 chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-129-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 12:42:01 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-130-111.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:42:56 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:43:26 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48:10 -!- stdDoubt [~ptiago@darwin.di.uminho.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:49:16 puddingpimp [~dave@118-93-165-184.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 12:54:20 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 12:56:03 is there a way to "splice" a list into a parameter list? 12:56:04 chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 12:56:36 necroforest: apply 12:59:35 _3b: Some consider Lisp to be a ancient language 13:01:47 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:01:49 some 13:02:46 c 13:03:52 mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:41 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-37-161.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:52 Jabberwockey has a clearly eurocentric perspective. 13:05:07 kaemo [~mad5ci@d38-66.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 13:05:43 JuanDaugherty: It was a very eurocentric question. And with "eurocentric" I also mean the former colonies. E.g.: the US 13:06:48 Koine is like Haskell, pointless but secksy. 13:07:13 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-58-228.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:07:21 -!- chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:08:49 or the point (etymology and foundational elements of western culture in the one case) is weak 13:09:37 Jasko2 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has joined #lisp 13:09:57 -!- fogus`away is now known as fogus` 13:11:20 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-174.mirrorimage.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:12:21 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-144-183.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:13:10 silentbicycle [~scott@99-55-246-143.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:13:20 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:13 ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 13:14:48 chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 13:15:25 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-131-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:17:53 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 13:19:47 petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has joined #lisp 13:20:29 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:20:56 -!- yakov [~yzaytsev@183.49.62.92.nienschanz.ru] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:22:29 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:01 Quadrescence: Thanks! 13:23:58 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:24:41 -!- udzinari` [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:26:32 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-147-129.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 13:29:06 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:33:35 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-wcpgvspujkvupiuk] has left #lisp 13:36:42 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-35-144-183.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:40:56 antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 13:43:43 unicode [~user@95.214.57.145] has joined #lisp 13:43:55 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-144-183.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:45:31 *madnificent* misses the common lisp restart system in gentoo's portage 13:46:12 carlocci [~nes@93.37.195.7] has joined #lisp 13:50:38 jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:52:25 dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:53 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:52:53 Yuuhi [benni@p54839BA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:53:54 -!- unicode [~user@95.214.57.145] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:54:12 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has joined #lisp 13:58:29 Trees [~Trees@users.denimgroup.com] has joined #lisp 13:58:46 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:51 -!- drdo [~user@194.210.228.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:59:30 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.184.8] has joined #lisp 14:00:16 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:01:14 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 14:04:08 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:04:27 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:05:41 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:53 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11:36 cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.20.223] has joined #lisp 14:23:52 ikki [~ikki@201.122.132.181] has joined #lisp 14:25:54 -!- andreer [~user@nat/yahoo/x-uwzwywfpgwygdauu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:27:26 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:30:47 unicode [~user@95.214.26.29] has joined #lisp 14:30:59 -!- unicode [~user@95.214.26.29] has quit [Client Quit] 14:31:20 unicode [~user@95.214.26.29] has joined #lisp 14:35:33 -!- mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:35:35 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:39:56 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host138-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:40:59 francogrex [c14be4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.75.228.252] has joined #lisp 14:41:41 is there any danger using this: (mapcar #'(lambda (x) (when (member nil x) (delete x dates))) dates) where dates is a list of lists ? 14:41:56 francogrex: yes. 14:42:12 francogrex: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/03_f.htm 14:42:47 francogrex: what do you want to do? 14:43:04 remove all lists which have NIL? 14:43:20 (remove-if (lambda (date) (some #'null date)) dates) perhaps? 14:43:55 remove the lists with nils 14:43:57 -!- aceluck [~aceluck@175.144.74.58] has quit [Quit: aceluck] 14:44:04 yes 14:44:13 (remove nil list :test #'member) 14:44:52 but dos not every list has a nil in the last position ? 14:44:52 yes, much better of course. thanks 14:44:56 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:45:00 stassats: much nicer. 14:45:05 homie: no 14:45:06 homie: no. 14:45:16 homie: What is this  C? 14:45:59 homie: a proper list has a nil as the cdr of the last cons, but that is different from having a nil at the end of the list. The last element of a list is the car of the last cons. 14:46:12 aah 14:46:16 ok thanks 14:46:35 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.104.161] has joined #lisp 14:46:44 -!- trigen [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: jumpin' jumpin'] 14:47:44 trigen [~MSX@ec2-46-51-179-218.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 14:47:59 OliverUv [~gandhi@34.81-167-250.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 14:49:07 Joreji [~thomas@85-065.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:51:01 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.104.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:51:09 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:51:27 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 14:51:36 -!- francogrex [c14be4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.75.228.252] has quit [] 14:52:07 I know when I was starting to learn lisp, the initial terminology was confusing to me, even though I'd had decades of experience with linked lists. 14:52:11 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vehbbapgeliznonw] has joined #lisp 14:53:36 -!- benny [~benny@i577A2B3A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:55:17 benny [~benny@i577A241A.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:55:55 -!- unicode [~user@95.214.26.29] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:56:09 drdo [~user@2001:690:2100:1b:226:8ff:fef7:3d9e] has joined #lisp 14:56:16 -!- Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-158-125.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: "Object-oriented design" is an oxymoron] 14:57:12 ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has joined #lisp 14:57:54 petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has joined #lisp 14:59:08 dlowe: I blame you for learning Lisp second. 14:59:30 Xach: I would have learned it first, but the C64 lisp was pretty terrible 15:00:10 dlowe: Also your fault for being born in wrong era. 15:01:57 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:48 -!- sacho [~sacho@79-100-173-234.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:41 i blame the cons cells and the accompanying car and cdr function names 15:04:46 sabalaba [~sabalaba@61.48.69.162] has joined #lisp 15:04:47 it's as simple and intuitive as struct cons { void *car; void *cdr; }; with some pointer checking 15:05:00 sacho [~sacho@87-126-42-243.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 15:05:08 kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::2a:d798] has joined #lisp 15:05:50 i agree to blame anybody, as long as it's not me 15:06:57 ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has joined #lisp 15:07:12 -!- mitre [~chatzilla@fl-74-4-76-189.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]] 15:07:53 I blame stassats 15:08:04 hargettp [~hargettp@dhcp-174.mirrorimage.net] has joined #lisp 15:10:48 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 15:13:14 -!- chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has left #lisp 15:20:01 joeygibson [~joeygibso@208.52.139.50] has joined #lisp 15:25:37 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:05 -!- udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-rigkmldjsynsfniv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:55 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:33:13 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:33:28 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 15:33:59 -!- Hun [~Hun@80.81.19.29] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:16 iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-188.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 15:36:03 it wouldn't be at all confusing if car was called value (or something) and cdr was called next, it' just because they're named after machine registers 15:36:26 on the IBM 360 IIRC 15:36:58 puddingpimp: you already have FIRST and REST 15:37:11 they call it head and tail nowadays 15:37:59 jdz, I know, but I'm talking about the names of the two fields in the cons cell (if they even rightly have names), not the accessor functions 15:38:24 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:27 if you were creating the same thing in C, and weren't making a lisp, you'd probably call car whatever the list was full of (since C doesn't have generic lists) or p, ptr, or thing, and you'd call cdr next 15:40:06 I know C has void pointers, but they're not exactly the same as generics 15:40:06 puddingpimp: if i were creating same thing in C i'd call them left and right probably 15:40:22 jdz, it depends on why you were creating it... 15:40:29 puddingpimp: because cons cell is only used to construct lists, but can be used for other purposes, too 15:41:08 but in C people usually don't create cons cells, they create lists directly 15:41:22 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.184.8] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:41:24 jdz, but would you use the same struct definition for those different data structures? I would create struct list_t, struct btree_t etc 15:42:02 i would use (defstruct btree) in CL 15:42:40 I often create "generic" list and tree functions in C, then store whatever I want in the void ptr, kind of silly since there is probably a standardish library that has all of these builtin 15:43:10 -!- oconnore [~eric@ip68-225-113-244.mc.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:43:41 easily installed with QuickC! 15:44:00 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:44:03 some people won't admit it, but C isn't a programming langauge, it's a machine-independent assembler 15:44:08 hmm, according to the spec, it is possible to specify types of _fixed length_ lists 15:44:33 using CONS compound type specifier 15:44:42 if you're writing C by hand, and not as an emission from some other program, you're doing it wrong 15:44:51 puddingpimp: my argument is that naming accessors after registers was not the best choice, and this is probably the dummest historical reason still attached to lisps 15:45:01 puddingpimp: spread your FUD in ##c, please 15:45:06 puddingpimp: go tell it in #C, we here usually program in lisp 15:45:26 pwd, everyone seems in agreement about that 15:45:46 powerje [~powerj@adsl-75-49-11-38.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:52 no, I'm done ripping on C. 15:49:55 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 15:51:52 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:52:32 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53:13 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:43 mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:01 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:55:00 petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has joined #lisp 15:56:26 puddingpimp: What is your point really? Are you saying that if the accessors on cons cells weren't named after IBM registers, then Lisp would be much more widely used? Or are you saying that desipite coming here for more than 2 years now, you still haven't been able to get past that obstacle? 15:56:48 no, and no 15:56:56 -!- ciaranb [~ciaran@5acba9ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: ciaranb] 15:57:01 I didn't start the bitching 15:57:04 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-lnhnwebcydkbfnrn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:58:12 -!- gz [gz@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 15:58:14 -!- mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:15 it should've been named "locomotive" and "cars", instead of "car" and "cdr" 15:58:20 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@hy-ovpn1-106.vpn.helsinki.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 15:59:18 mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:31 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59:36 -!- Jabberwockey [~jgrabarsk@selene.ftk.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:01:09 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vehbbapgeliznonw] has left #lisp 16:01:58 *mega1* has found this: http://a1k0n.net/lisp/anon.html 16:02:20 sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 16:04:04 because ()! 16:04:06 #lisp kills 16:05:09 those toxic nail clippings 16:05:32 -!- Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:05:35 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 16:06:23 superflit [~superflit@140.226.49.160] has joined #lisp 16:06:59 kmwallio [~kmwallio@host113-70.brownlie.fit.edu] has joined #lisp 16:07:13 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:07:19 Hum. 16:07:25 Any elephant user around? 16:07:45 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:08:51 no we are not in thailand! 16:08:59 lol 16:09:01 Sikander [~userid@wirenat-eld.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #lisp 16:10:04 Fare: I think they still use elephants in India 16:10:14 elephant, rucksack or cl-perec? 16:10:23 If in the package definition of package A, I :use #:B, does that mean that if I (use-package :A) I can use the functions exported by B without prepending B:...? 16:10:45 you can't export functions 16:10:50 you export symbols 16:10:52 symbols 16:11:02 Fare: rucksack is an in-memory store and AFAIK it uses its own storage engine 16:11:30 Sikander: you need to export symbols exported by B from A to get such effect 16:11:33 Fare: cl-perec is an ORM, should work on oracle and postgres 16:11:53 Sikander: Did you mean in-package rather than use-package? 16:11:59 stassats: Ah, that's why it didn't work... 16:12:01 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 16:12:01 so, the direct answer to your question is "no" 16:12:38 beach: No, I meant use-package, thanks 16:12:46 Yeah, I see what you mean now. 16:12:56 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 16:13:12 stassats: Thanks 16:13:35 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has left #lisp 16:14:15 Sikander: Luckily, things are the way stassats says. Otherwise, users of the A package could have their behavior altered by what A uses to get its job done, and not only by the API defined by A. 16:14:18 Sikander: see also: (use-package (package-use-list 'a)) 16:14:22 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:22 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:14:22 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 16:14:48 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:14:50 Yes, I was a bit worried about that as well. 16:16:18 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Client Quit] 16:16:30 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:06 Having two sets (as lists) how do I subtract set b from set a? 16:17:17 antoszka: set-difference? 16:17:20 clhs set-difference 16:17:21 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_di.htm 16:17:23 thx 16:17:27 ywlcm 16:17:28 couldn't recall that 16:17:35 timjstewart [~tims@159.182.183.6] has joined #lisp 16:18:24 yeah, with such non-intuitive name 16:18:29 lol 16:19:58 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:04 -!- joeygibson [~joeygibso@208.52.139.50] has left #lisp 16:21:40 -!- lanthan_afh [~ze@p50992b91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:22:50 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 16:29:39 Krystof [~csr21@csrhodes.plus.com] has joined #lisp 16:31:14 -!- sharps [~user@ip-118-90-25-99.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:25 Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050067014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:37:14 ciaranb [~ciaran@5acba9ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 16:37:44 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@114.84.198.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:37:55 -!- seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39:19 http://imagebin.ca/view/kTas3m.html drag and drop clickable push buttons for scripting game object behaviors, in the spirit of MIT Scratch. 16:39:25 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:39:26 this is in lisp. i'll keep you posted 16:40:09 neat! 16:40:34 dto1: Do keep us posted. 16:40:58 i don't have nesting objects quit working yet, i need a few more hours 16:41:18 once that's done, it's time to write a quick compiler for these visual programs 16:42:48 -!- petercoulton [~petercoul@152.105.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:42:54 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Client Quit] 16:43:06 Xach, antoszka: the idea being, using just the mouse you can open a blank project, import some sprites from .png files, define some methods using blocks, and then push start and watch your project go, save it to a .tar.gz file ... the last thing in this 4 year odyssey of programming lisp, was a useful user interface that made the whole system nice and pretty and accessible to everyone 16:43:31 dto1: I hear Leonidas saying "This is LISP!" 16:43:33 i want to spread the idea of lisp as an expressive platform with a sharing site much like scratch 16:43:37 Fare: haha 16:44:01 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:45:17 joshee [~joshe@c-67-169-219-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:20 p_l|backup [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 16:45:58 dto1: :) 16:46:07 bsod1 [~osa1@188.56.234.34] has joined #lisp 16:46:56 -!- p_l|backup [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 16:47:18 p_l|backup [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 16:48:44 antoszka, Fare: http://github.com/dto/iosketch is the source, currently in process of many cleanups and improvements. 16:51:45 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 16:52:46 -!- kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::2a:d798] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:54:39 thx 16:54:56 Why, oh why does github break in Opera? 16:55:23 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440279.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:11 -!- ignas [~ignas@88-222-145-120.meganet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:56:24 Bronsa [~bronsa@host138-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:57:50 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:50 -!- Guthur [c743cb8c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.67.203.140] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:01:02 -!- kaemo [~mad5ci@d38-66.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:01:09 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-20-54-148.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:40 Hello all. 17:02:31 hi nyef! hero friend of sbcl! 17:02:47 i'm so glad to see you back! 17:04:24 rfg [~rfg@client-86-25-218-47.glw-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:31 disumu [~disumu@pD4B9E819.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:26 (Yes, that means I found a possible bug I think you can possibly fix.) 17:05:55 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:07 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756d47.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:17 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:19 paleywiener [~paleywien@117.192.20.106] has joined #lisp 17:08:20 dfox_ [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 17:10:17 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:58 pkhuong: nice blog post. 17:13:58 Fade, memo from stassats: I applied the patch to inotify I was talking about yesterday 17:14:08 ah, cool 17:14:11 -!- spcshpopr8r [~user@c-71-231-165-31.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:14:54 -!- cmpitg [~cmpitg@113.22.20.223] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:16:55 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.184.8] has joined #lisp 17:20:43 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:26 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host138-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:27:43 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:02 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@wireless-165-124-137-209.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:29:33 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-24-4-147-168.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:36 -!- paleywiener [~paleywien@117.192.20.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:30:47 s1ugg0 [~chrish@net-216-37-86-189.in-addr.worldspice.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:54 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:30:55 -!- Sikander [~userid@wirenat-eld.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:33:50 ignas [~ignas@89.249.94.25] has joined #lisp 17:33:52 mitre [~chatzilla@204.51.92.251] has joined #lisp 17:34:46 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@c-66-30-116-162.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:34:50 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35:17 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 17:35:40 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:36:25 murilasso [~murilasso@189.103.20.140] has joined #lisp 17:36:40 Xach: Yes, I saw. Thank you for narrowing it down. 17:38:56 nyef: No problem. I'm glad I can compile sbcl in about 4 minutes! 17:39:12 that's fast! 17:41:22 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-212-252.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 17:42:08 Cooler_ [~sabayonus@189-68-186-10.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 17:42:26 urandom__ [~user@p548A3D43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:03 Four minutes! Sweet! 17:44:37 *Xach* thanks quicklisp donors profusely 17:45:18 Xach: is that in the cloud? 17:45:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-7-237.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 17:45:35 -!- hlavaty [~user@95-88-27-48-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:46:13 stassats: no, local. 17:51:08 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 17:52:24 -!- OliverUv [~gandhi@34.81-167-250.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:52:26 -!- antgreen [~user@CPE00222d6c4710-CM00222d6c470d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:41 OliverUv [fuckident@valkyrie.underwares.org] has joined #lisp 17:52:57 hmmm.... xvcb-compilable SBCL... :3 17:55:10 somnium [~user@184.42.17.189] has joined #lisp 17:55:39 p_l|backup: where ? 17:55:43 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.51] has joined #lisp 17:55:57 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 17:57:40 -!- fogus` [c6970d0f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.151.13.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:58:46 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 18:01:27 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:47 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:15 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 18:03:28 fe[nl]ix: just a random thought for a possible project 18:03:35 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:03:35 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:03:35 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 18:03:40 and the imagining of how it compiles on a cluster 18:03:52 -!- rfg [~rfg@client-86-25-218-47.glw-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has quit [Quit: rfg] 18:07:02 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl21-89-222.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:07:04 Gmind [~Welcome@113.190.160.104] has joined #lisp 18:07:16 hi 18:07:30 Hi 18:07:42 What a day :P 18:07:52 why ? 18:08:04 -!- retrry [~quassel@b4.vu.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:08:11 'cause 18:08:39 retrry [~quassel@b4.vu.lt] has joined #lisp 18:08:44 I walk around #fsharp, #haskell , #lisp , #scheme to make decision 18:09:01 -!- drdo [~user@2001:690:2100:1b:226:8ff:fef7:3d9e] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:09:05 -!- ignas [~ignas@89.249.94.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:09:40 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:10:36 for what ? 18:11:07 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 18:11:40 a project ?, an app ?, a new language ?, a new virus ? 18:12:08 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-7-237.vodafone.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:12:42 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:54 lisp is a virus you know, it infrects you, but the incubation time is long ! lol 18:13:39 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:14:06 nice to know that =)) 18:14:21 I am on my way to find inspiration 18:14:28 for my starcraft AI bot 18:14:42 somewhat made me leave F# 18:15:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-2-88.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 18:15:13 when I start to build bot behaviors 18:15:20 AI ? 18:15:43 yep 18:15:44 :P 18:15:50 BWAPI 18:15:51 the set of states your bot can switch to ? 18:15:59 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:15:59 is there a workaround for installing lispbuilder-sdl via quicklisp? 18:16:06 maybe 18:16:16 is that set not restricted a priori ? 18:16:40 =.= are you asking me in detail ? 18:16:49 hmmm, i don't know 18:17:10 I am just curious about UCBerkeley 18:17:31 they teach AI programming in Lisp & Scheme 18:17:48 they have a very strong SC bot too 18:17:48 do they use ring-buffers too ? 18:17:52 that's Overmind 18:18:02 or cycles ? 18:18:08 I duuno 18:18:09 :P 18:18:12 you don't need lisp to do AI, and you don't need to do AI if you use lisp... 18:18:38 koning_robot : enlight me =)) please 18:18:41 austinh [~austinh@c-67-189-92-40.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:01 homie: I don't even know what is ring-buffer :P 18:19:05 Gmind: lisp is a general-purpose programming language, and can be used for whatever you like. 18:19:23 oh never-mind i don't know either exactly 18:19:40 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-119-231.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:22:12 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756d47.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:25 any Lisp on .NET ? 18:22:40 I'm having trouble installing lispbuilder-sdl with quicklisp. I'm getting an error while CFFI tries to load cocoahelper 18:23:09 maybe due to the late bug in sbcl itself if you use it 18:23:18 Kenjin: you need to use the terminal to build the cocoahelper part manually. 18:23:24 can't terminate non lisp threads 18:23:46 aah, so that's something else 18:23:46 Xach: great. thanks :) 18:24:00 Kenjin: http://groups.google.com/group/quicklisp/msg/8f138872b1b1d073 18:25:13 Xach: awsome. Should've though of looking in the groups also. Google search was not very helpful 18:26:07 Kenjin: Sorry about that. 18:26:25 I need to put it in the FAQ, I think, because it's a stumbling block. 18:26:34 Xach: btw, any reason you aren't linking your blog from xach.com? (: 18:26:53 Xach: thanks again 18:26:58 antifuchs: Hmm, dunno. 18:27:00 I always go there first, then facepalm and remember to turn around and go to xach.livejournal.com 18:27:10 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-2-88.vodafone.hu] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:27:38 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@apn-94-44-0-223.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 18:27:38 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 18:27:57 *Xach* neglects xach.com mostly 18:28:26 -!- tfb [~tfb@94.197.81.220.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:28:35 -!- dfox_ [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:28:37 shame! it has good seo value (-: 18:29:33 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:30:49 I mean to say, you could use it to direct valuable attention to useful lisp projects 18:31:02 seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:09 -!- p_l|backup [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:31:28 p_l|backup [~plasek@pp84.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:37:37 cl-gtk2 rocks! 18:37:59 such a positive surprise 18:39:24 I had expected a Python like interface. But this was in fact MUCH better. 18:39:54 wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-24-193-116-182.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:39:54 qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has joined #lisp 18:39:54 recommended 18:40:24 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:35 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 18:41:36 antgreen [~user@nat/redhat/session] has joined #lisp 18:42:26 will you praise cl-gtk2 everyday here? 18:43:01 -!- antgreen [~user@nat/redhat/session] has quit [Changing host] 18:43:01 antgreen [~user@nat/redhat/x-orvqdboqigddnkiz] has joined #lisp 18:43:16 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@61.48.69.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:43:32 -!- e-user [~akahl@nat/nokia/x-pqzzihmqoplrntai] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:45:00 -20 C here today.. freezing 18:45:46 stassats, twice will do 18:45:55 younder: then do something productive to pay th hating bill instead :P 18:46:42 I am headed by waste ;) 18:48:04 hey, overclock your CPu could help 18:48:12 Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 18:48:35 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:49:54 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc2-midd16-2-0-cust169.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:54:09 mishoo [~mishoo@host212-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:54:43 -!- disumu [~disumu@pD4B9E819.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58:31 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:19 -!- jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:00:19 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:00:28 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 19:00:29 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:00:40 sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has joined #lisp 19:00:46 Just listening to some old 'Kraftwerk'. 19:00:57 autobann 19:01:26 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 19:01:34 is it where you're banned automatically? 19:02:19 ban me all you like. I mostly develop in ML these days anyhow.. 19:03:28 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:03:44 But for now let's keep the topic to Lisp and keep animosities to a minimum. :) 19:05:00 CL-SVG is a bit limited. But it worked form me. (That sort of thing) 19:06:36 make a blog and write your monologues there 19:06:45 Huncentoot is stable again. 19:06:59 Life for a web deveper is good. 19:07:10 developer 19:07:49 That 1.0 version really stunk. 19:08:04 jeti [~user@p54B46B0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:18 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@144-13-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 19:08:19 kenanb [~Kenan@94.54.235.211] has joined #lisp 19:09:20 I've noticed that with parenscript, some commands are only available when wrapped in parenscript:ps - I'd like to do something similar, which is, when wrapped in a macro, the body has access to special functions. Where should I start looking to figure out how to do that? 19:09:41 clhs flet 19:09:42 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_flet_.htm 19:09:47 Things like (stop-server >socket>) didn't work.. unacceptable. One must expect SOME testing 19:10:12 seangrove: although i'm not a fun of such style, because it's hard to figure where they're coming from 19:10:52 Should probably come with a global definition as well, for purposes of M-. and arglist display 19:11:16 and indentation clues 19:11:23 then why not have the global definition only? 19:11:40 Lexical context 19:12:01 cf. call-next-method 19:12:32 stassats: also, you get a more specific error message than an undefined function condition. 19:12:33 Bronsa [~bronsa@host138-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:13:05 s/stassats/tcr/ ? 19:13:31 Wanna thunk a method? 19:14:22 tcr: no. You're advocating for global definitions of macro-generated local functions, and I agree. 19:14:26 then :around and call-next-method if for you. But I don't think you do? 19:14:48 interesting that it's implementation-defined whether c-n-m and n-m-p are also fbound 19:15:07 yes.. and that's no accident 19:15:18 tcr: then M-. wouldn't be of much help 19:16:21 rootzlevel [~hpd@91-66-218-51-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:16:29 i used an explicitly named flet 19:17:14 pkhuong: Yes, hence your comment is an addition to what I said 19:17:24 stassats: well, M-. will find _something_, which is better than nothing 19:17:25 hence I would expect it to be addressed to me 19:17:29 cmm: sure 19:18:01 stassats: The global definition should come nearby the local one. And usually the global one is a macro expanding to an invocation of erroing telling the macro's name 19:18:12 labels gives recursion flet doesn't. I am sufficiently lame no to get the point of flet at all. 19:18:26 I agree that that kind of thing should not be overused 19:18:43 tcr: yes, i saw that style in pkhuong's coroutines 19:18:48 younder: I always long for an FLET* 19:19:26 ah a local macro is macrolet THAT I see the point of 19:19:56 tcr: should be trivial to write, unless I misunderstand the context due to /ignoring the guy you are replying to :) 19:20:35 -!- kenanb [~Kenan@94.54.235.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:20:37 I mean I long for it being part of the standard 19:20:43 cmm: i don't understand it even without ignoring 19:21:02 tcr: alexandria is standard! 19:21:17 tcr: that would be labels it allows mutual recursion 19:21:33 cmm: But Emacs will not fontify it like flet and labels 19:21:44 bah 19:21:53 slime will if you let it 19:22:03 tcr: alexandria.el (: 19:23:28 hmm, maybe it's already there, but how about fontification hints from CL code 19:23:35 if you're set font-lock-maximum-decoration to nil, they will be equally unfontified 19:23:45 tcr: you can add anything you want to emacs's giant fontification regexp 19:23:48 my .emacs has so many modifications it is practically a program on i's own, but I could let you see it tcr 19:23:55 foom: orly? 19:24:09 just modify lisp-font-lock-keywords-1 and -2 19:24:16 Are you missing the point deliberately? 19:24:23 *stassats* is quite happy without much fontification 19:25:08 isn't this the lisp way? it doesn't need to be part of the language, because you can do *anything* with macros! 19:26:01 foom: that's PG and not really recommended 19:26:09 Thanks stassats, that looks like what I need 19:26:31 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.64.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:26:39 younder: PG? 19:26:48 Paul Graham 19:26:56 Grayham 19:26:57 Parental Guidance 19:27:30 Pork Gum 19:27:38 as in 'ANSI Common Lisp' and 'on LISP' 19:28:09 younder: I thought so, just unsure why he seems such a polarizing figure in the lisp community 19:28:11 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-129-45.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:26 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-221-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:27 Polarizing Guy is Polarizing 19:28:27 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.199.2] has joined #lisp 19:28:37 You should probaly get 'on Lisp' seangrove. It is worth the effort 19:29:05 younder: I believe I have it, haven't opened it quite yet. Fell in love with LoL and PAIP 19:29:21 free from the Internet 19:29:40 Just about to worm my way out of it though, so if you recommend it, I'll dive into that next 19:29:56 HG` [~HG@xdslee254.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:29:59 Feel like I'm probably comfortable enough with lisp at this point to understand it 19:30:07 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-221-29.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:27 famous last words 19:30:40 *seangrove* squirms 19:30:42 LoL is a bit dangerous.. Not my first suggestion exactly.. PG extreme 19:30:50 younder: one point of FLET is to let you do something like: (flet ((foo (x) (frob (foo x)))) ...) where the FOO that the inner FOO calls is the global FOO. 19:30:59 Whether that's ever a good idea, I don't know. 19:31:12 But you couldn't do it with LABELS. 19:31:21 younder: I was looking for some help on macros, and came across reader-macros in LoL from a google search. Was amazing. 19:31:22 i say it's a bad idea 19:31:25 Hmm, I just came across a system with a file named foo.asd but the defsystem inside it has the name com.fribble.foo. 19:31:29 gigamonkey: It's more like I prefer setq over setf 19:31:32 *Xach* wonders if that ever worked 19:31:38 seangrove: it's better to avoid the abbreviation "LoL" in reference to Lisp books without more context 19:31:39 gigamonkey, ah, missed that one Peter thx. 19:32:06 adeht: (let ((LoL "Let Over Lambda")) ... 19:32:08 seangrove: since there are at least two of those, and they are sufficiently recent 19:32:08 There we go 19:32:19 ah, land of lisp 19:32:26 Forgot about that, yes 19:32:29 tcr: why do you prefer setq? 19:32:39 Most specific thing 19:32:59 Xach: you should publish an Official Xach's Guide to Naming Systems, Packages, and Projects for Quicklisp Winnitude 19:33:25 actualy that is not a bid idea 19:33:30 tcr: right, but i wouldn't think about setq being more specific 19:34:05 What I've derived/made up based on your various comments and my own notions of good sense is: 19:34:07 1. Pick a prefix that is unlikely to be used by someone else but not a reversed domain. 19:34:14 i just pretend setq doesn't exist, you can't do that with flet/labels and let/let* 19:34:33 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 19:34:33 2. Name your system, main package, and project all -whatever 19:34:34 stassats: I don't follow what that has to do with specifiy? 19:34:37 Is that about right? 19:34:41 There is this dude on comp.lang.lisp who is also a pascal 19:34:53 He has a reat naming convention 19:34:58 great 19:35:45 mathemagio.com that one 19:35:56 gigamonkey: Choose any name you want, make the software not suck so nobody needs to write a successor? 19:36:05 tcr: like CLON? 19:36:24 that sounds GIT'ish 19:36:34 ;) 19:36:37 pkhuong: is that the protoype stuff? 19:36:48 or the cron replacement or ... 19:37:08 fair point :-) 19:37:23 tcr: i mean that its specificity doesn't mean anything 19:37:31 one clon became proton 19:37:34 thanks, dto! 19:37:42 *Xach* likes the proton name better 19:37:51 tcr: its about avoiding conflicts with unrelated things, not rewrites. 19:38:06 stassats: setq connotes simple lexical binding to me (nevermind it works on symbol macros, too, but I use setf on those) 19:38:47 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 19:39:41 (setf name ...) seems to be enough, i don't think i would notice the difference when reading code 19:39:48 a clone is a clone not a clon or a proton 19:40:42 Even with my inferior spelling this is offensive. 19:41:34 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:40 mprentice [~mprentice@dhcp210-009.wireless.buffalo.edu] has joined #lisp 19:42:07 hmm, anyone have an URL handy for asdf.lisp for asdf 1? 19:42:25 ASau [~user@95-26-92-70.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 19:43:24 Xach: http://common-lisp.net/gitweb?p=projects/asdf/asdf.git;a=tree;h=4833545feedada6b68b6f756a60865d714944032;hb=6a89cbc0d5ce5b10c94ee0746721dd643778bdfe 19:43:33 thanks. 19:44:01 asdf go through a rewrite lately? 19:44:44 I am still using a version from april this year. 19:45:15 stassats: I guess that is insufficiently 1.0. 19:45:24 it still uses the wacky ~/.config stuff 19:45:31 *Xach* looks around more 19:45:32 http://common-lisp.net/gitweb?p=projects/asdf/asdf.git;a=tags 19:45:54 i just downloaded the git version of cxml to work with asdf2. i get the error: Attempt to take the value of the unbound variable `cxml::+MAX+'. is this an error in my setup or in the git repo? 19:46:25 Still using my homemade asd search function (with clbuild) but if it ACTUALLY worked I would love that dir bit they added 19:46:32 mprentice: when do you get it? 19:46:32 stassats: thanks! 19:47:13 Arelius [d0507552@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.80.117.82] has joined #lisp 19:47:18 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:47:37 stassats: in xml-name-rune-p.lisp 19:47:47 Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-52-54.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:47:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@85-065.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:48:04 kudos for recommending clbuild. Truly the best way to do CL. 19:48:27 I'm using ironclad to get a :sha256 hash of a file, and it doesn't match the same hash generated by my c++ program using a pretty standard sha256 lib. Any idea what could be throwing off my hashes? 19:48:53 What are you hashing? 19:49:01 does they use the same lib ? 19:49:29 younder: a binary file, data from a .FLAC 19:49:33 homie: ironclad does not use a library. 19:49:36 mprentice: i mean not where, but when? 19:49:36 ironclads hashlib the same as your c++ ones's ? 19:49:40 homie: Nope, but in theory they shouldn't need to. 19:49:41 what do you do to get it? 19:49:45 You are NOT expecting two languages to come up with the same Hash table ;) 19:49:46 ah 19:49:56 rotfl 19:50:05 younder: I am expecting sha256 implementations to be consistant! 19:50:18 Arelius: are you sure the data is the same? 19:50:29 jweiss [~jweiss@152.16.144.213] has joined #lisp 19:50:31 stassats: Yeah 19:50:33 <_8david> mprentice: cxml::+MAX+ really with lowercase cxml and uppercase +MAX+? That seems suspicious. 19:50:36 Arelius: does either one agree with the output of the sha256sum program (if you have it)? 19:50:51 Arelius: paste the code? 19:51:03 sha256 IS, but the libray isn't 19:51:17 Xach: Dunno, let me get it 19:51:18 eheh 19:51:24 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 19:51:25 -!- Xach has set mode +b *!*john@212.251.245.* 19:51:33 stassats & _8david: haha, found it. i'm using case-sensitive lisp. oops. 19:51:40 -!- younder [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has been kicked from #lisp by Xach (Stop writing stupid stuff to confuse people.) 19:52:09 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 19:52:10 mprentice: modern mode? 19:52:22 stassats: yes, using allegro mlisp 19:53:14 Arelius: also make sure you're feeding the same input 19:53:43 Xach: Thanks!! It's clearly the c program generating bad output, I can debug this! 19:53:52 sha256 sum agrees with ironclad. 19:54:27 mprentice: you can quick-fix it by opening that file in emacs, selecting the part in upper-case and press C-x C-l 19:54:42 Arelius: excellent 19:55:42 Arelius: perhaps the problem is with endianness 19:59:56 gigamonkey: there's a reason why i wrote a devil's guide, and not a real guide. it's easy to figure out what makes my life difficult, and harder to figure out what the right thing to do is. 20:00:36 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:00:55 james anderson's de.setf.* projects are a devil's playground. he rewrites other projects without renaming them, and has those funky name-mismatching systems, and other stuff. i wonder in what environment he loads things. 20:01:13 heiz [~heiz@ppp89-110-11-77.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 20:01:40 does he rewrite them to make use of logical pathnames? 20:01:57 I don't know. 20:02:28 It's too bad, because a lot of the projects look quite practical and useful. 20:02:34 I just can't get them to build. 20:02:43 stassats: thanks. now having similar problem with name-rune-p but making all case consistent doesn't fix. trouble is other code in system relies on modern mode :/ 20:02:45 *Xach* should email him 20:03:49 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-24-193-116-182.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 20:04:12 Hi! Can anyone explain me how call/cc works? 20:04:16 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:04:22 heiz: #scheme would be better at this. 20:04:58 heiz: read lisp in small pieces 20:05:07 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:49 sixpoint8 [~jaykub@ip68-12-204-131.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:24 in short it captures the current environment, does computation and hands it over to another, using update and lookup and others... 20:07:32 Xach: I guess I was thinking that you probably have the most informed opinion of anyone on the planet now about how Lisp things *should* be named. 20:07:57 But I get that it's work to figure out and put down your thoughts in a coherent way. 20:08:46 my problem is coming up with original names 20:09:21 other than prepending "cl-" 20:09:47 gigamonkey: well, not really. "don't use the same name as someone else" is not a comprehensive strategy for generating a good name... 20:10:19 Right. So what do *you* do? 20:10:36 I know you don't like the reversed domain name thing but it does solve that problem. 20:10:38 stassats: i guess there is a project-stub project for clojure that forbids any project that ends in "jure". 20:10:46 -!- jweiss [~jweiss@152.16.144.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:11:04 So it's a "de jure" thing. ;-) 20:11:09 gigamonkey: I try to think of a word that is vaguely related to the task at hand. then i google for " lisp". 20:11:24 wedgeV [~wedge@pool-71-247-29-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:33 if it seems unique, i use it. 20:11:41 sometimes the relation can be very vague. 20:12:01 stassats: sometimes i think it would be good to forbid new projects named "cl-..." 20:12:38 Xach: though in the new Quicklisp-enabled world of lots of small libraries, a prefix plus something more specific seems a good way to go. 20:12:59 I.e. monkeylib-spam, monkeylib-utilities rather than constantly having to come up with completely original names. 20:13:24 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.199.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:13:25 -!- Gmind [~Welcome@113.190.160.104] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:13:30 I'm happy to use "monkeylib-" rather than "com.gigamonkeys." if that avoids anti-Java heebie-jeebies. 20:13:43 i could go with ss-project, but SS has bad connotations 20:13:46 Gmind [~Welcome@113.190.160.104] has joined #lisp 20:13:58 how about, not-that-ss-project 20:14:06 stassats: hh-project? because you are a happy hacker? 20:14:18 and i can't go with sb-project, damn sbcl! 20:14:21 gigamonkey: yeah, that's why some of my projects start with "zpb-". 20:15:15 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.44.65] has joined #lisp 20:15:25 or maybe ß-project 20:16:06 many people would be grateful to you 20:17:25 clearly, non-ascii characters are underrepresented in cl-world 20:17:43 -!- heiz [~heiz@ppp89-110-11-77.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 20:18:47 aha 20:18:58 clearly one of the clon projects has a zero-width non-breaking space in the middle. 20:19:59 even better! 20:20:08 how about ? 20:20:48 maybe the author had conflicts with another clon project and decided inserting an nbsp was the best way to fix it 20:21:24 stassats: wow. What language is that CL from? 20:22:01 Fare: it's called "center line symbol" 20:22:22 so, it's not from any language 20:22:39 sellout- [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:13 what's the codepoint? irssi/screen/whatever else is in between gives me a question mark 20:23:16 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:16 -!- sellout- is now known as sellout 20:23:29 8452 20:23:59 stassats: out of whose ass was this character pulled? 20:24:00 varjag_ [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 20:24:11 U+2104 20:24:16 wow that's cool 20:24:25 a CL symbol. 20:24:33 i feel like founding a metal band with that somewhere in the name 20:25:11 koning_robot: that band could open for The Wild Inferiors 20:25:47 Clearly, (read-from-string (string #\U2104)) should be *the* prototypical CL symbol. 20:26:13 «The Wïld Inferiörs» 20:26:37 awesome name, that 20:27:07 http://xach.com/img/wild-inferiors.png lacks umlauts 20:30:49 -!- pierrep [~ppasteau@bas11-montrealak-1177755963.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:19 unicode even has  symbol, who would ever need to use that? 20:31:54 the queen ? 20:32:10 lol 20:33:59 stassats: is meant to be a box? when writing about how Unicode usually appears, obviously. 20:34:06 (If not, what codepoint) 20:34:07 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:36 gigamonkey: (char-code #\SQUARE_GB) => 13191 20:34:44 it looks like "GB" 20:35:09 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:10 i like how on linux, the unknown-codepoint box actually has the hex digits for the codepoint in it. 20:36:52 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38:56 Xach: Also, if Bill and Ted have taught me anything, you need more y's 20:39:06 Wyld Infyryors 20:39:17 or some such 20:40:40 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40:41 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host138-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:41:19 Bronsa [~bronsa@host138-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:41:28 jesusabdullah: sounds like faux Welsh to me 20:42:56 If I had my xmodmaps I'd umlaut and faux cyrylixx it as well 20:43:03 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:43:20 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslee254.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:43:40 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633954.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:44:01 pierrep [~ppasteau@dyn-219-106.wireless.concordia.ca] has joined #lisp 20:45:38 drdo [~user@2.208.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 20:45:50 stupid question, is #|| ... ||# a comment block? 20:46:00 yes 20:46:13 #| |# is 20:46:14 ooh I think I learned a new thing 20:46:26 || is used to please some editors 20:46:30 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.184.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:47:01 ok, fixed it to work in modern lisp. i set up my own git branch. i've never submitted a patch before. time to google. 20:47:30 What project is this, mprentice? 20:48:45 if it's called modern mode, is the usual mode "baroque mode", or "classical mode"? 20:49:23 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.56.234.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:49:31 The implication is "primitive mode", of course. 20:49:43 jesusabdullah: cxml 20:49:48 "primordial mode" 20:50:26 -!- austinh [~austinh@c-67-189-92-40.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:50:43 perhaps "case sensitive lisp" would be better 20:50:59 What is modern lisp, then? :S 20:51:01 mprentice: but it's not as catchy 20:51:19 cooler lisp? 20:51:25 Like cooler ranch, but lisp 20:51:26 mprentice: CL is actually case-sensitive 20:51:31 stassats: the usual mode is "contemporary mode" 20:51:47 stassats: i can't win! "upcasing-reader lisp" 20:51:47 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-158-125.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:52:04 impressionist lisp :D 20:52:27 how about "Pre-ASCII" mode. 20:52:46 cause, it helps support all those computers and terminals that can't have lowercase letters! 20:52:49 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:00 Instead of location-contextual works, I'll write lisp that only works in compiler/environment X 20:55:00 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 20:56:18 -!- pierrep [~ppasteau@dyn-219-106.wireless.concordia.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:56:45 pierrep [~ppasteau@dyn-219-106.wireless.concordia.ca] has joined #lisp 20:59:23 erory [~rory_elri@203-206-172-3.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 21:00:00 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:01:43 francogrex [~user@109.130.81.107] has joined #lisp 21:02:03 ranch 21:03:23 hun [~user@95-89-69-55-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:05:36 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@183-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:05:53 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.81.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:13 -!- hun [~user@95-89-69-55-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:35 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:14 -!- pierrep [~ppasteau@dyn-219-106.wireless.concordia.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:12:36 pierrep [~ppasteau@dyn-219-106.wireless.concordia.ca] has joined #lisp 21:15:05 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:18 "romantic mode" 21:16:50 maybe "roccoco"? 21:17:00 :D 21:17:05 Scandalous! 21:17:29 Anyone have a link to this chart I saw once that categorized a big bunch of languages? Not history of programming languages chart (easy to find); but the one that treed them off as declarative, etc., it included SQL as well. 21:17:50 In the long run, every program becomes rococo, and then rubble. - Alan Perlis 21:18:04 -!- churib [~tg@dslc-082-082-115-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18:41 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:18:55 Modius: http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/paradigmsDIAGRAMeng108.jpg ? 21:19:17 stassats: Thanks 21:19:41 it's from "Programming Paradigms for Dummies: What Every Programmer Should Know" 21:20:06 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-33-40-124.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:20:07 temp_ace [ace4016@adsl-33-40-124.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:13 -!- temp_ace is now known as ace4016 21:20:13 Should I know this? That is, should I track down this document? 21:20:18 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.184.8] has joined #lisp 21:20:37 Looks like a sweet document 21:20:48 might give some insights 21:21:10 stassats: unless I've missed it, CL isn't on here. Guess there's no good place to put it? :) 21:21:17 i am in the process of reading his "Concepts, Techniques, and Models of Computer Programming" 21:22:07 stassats: thanks for the help 21:22:47 Modius: it only gives languages as examples 21:22:52 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 21:23:05 My guess is that only a small amount of languages would actually fit on there, and he just happened to pick these languages. 21:23:13 I would imagine CL fits in near scheme 21:23:26 well, CL fits in several places 21:23:54 Hah, Excel is on there :D 21:24:10 The fundamentals of engineering exam actually tests on spreadsheets 21:24:29 which is pretty nuts imo 21:25:41 -!- mprentice [~mprentice@dhcp210-009.wireless.buffalo.edu] has quit [Quit: Ciao!] 21:28:56 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 21:33:25 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-33-40-124.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33:54 ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-33-40-124.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:38 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:36:11 eugu [~Miranda@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 21:43:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-94-44-0-223.vodafone.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:44:29 -!- ciaranb [~ciaran@5acba9ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: ciaranb] 21:44:42 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 21:44:48 -!- pierrep [~ppasteau@dyn-219-106.wireless.concordia.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:25 Within a macro, I want to rebind #'string to be my own thing (just a little dsl), but sbcl is getting upset over this (lock on the package) - is there a way to calm sbcl by *only* letting it happen within the macro? 21:50:40 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:51:13 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:51:34 no 21:51:45 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:52:03 use your own package 21:52:19 I'm in my own package - what do you mean? 21:53:12 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 21:56:00 seangrove: shadow CL:STRING 21:56:02 dfox_ [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 21:56:05 -!- mtk [~mtk@ool-182c8e6c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:55 -!- symbole [~user@216.214.176.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:21 gigamonkey: But can I do that locally just for a single macro? 21:59:24 Nope. But what are you actually trying to do? 21:59:51 Joreji [~thomas@85-065.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:00:05 How do you want to use STRING in your macro? 22:00:11 I'll finished the pseudo-code and paste it 22:00:26 you could write a code walker to replace occurrences of cl:string in the function position, but that won't catch all of them either. 22:00:42 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.184.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:04:08 cmbntr [~cmbntr@77-56-85-227.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:04:30 -!- cmbntr [~cmbntr@77-56-85-227.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 22:04:52 rfg [~rfg@client-86-16-212-16.glw-bng-11.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:05:53 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:06:44 -!- anonymouse89 [~brian@c-24-34-195-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:40 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-119-231.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:10:17 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:36 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:37 freik [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:15:01 pepone [~pepone@121.246.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 22:15:07 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:18 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 22:15:20 -!- freik is now known as freiksenet 22:16:01 Hi, when i wrote (sb-thread:make-thread (lambda () (format t "Hello, world"))) i don't see "Hello World" output in REPL, where this output goes? 22:17:02 -!- iwillig [~ivan@dyn-128-59-150-188.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:17:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-119-231.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 22:17:34 into *inferior-lisp* 22:17:40 pierrep [~ppasteau@bas11-montrealak-1177755963.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:17:43 you will see it in plain sbcl repl 22:18:10 skalawag [~user@c75-111-102-202.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:13 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217131002.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 22:18:17 i using slime, thanks stassats , i see it now 22:18:40 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 22:19:54 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:20:47 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:25:19 -!- murilasso [~murilasso@189.103.20.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:26:40 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27:44 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:27:45 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27:56 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 22:29:31 jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:31:03 -!- antgreen [~user@nat/redhat/x-orvqdboqigddnkiz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:31 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 22:34:54 -!- azuk` [~user@2001:670:a3:20:218:f3ff:fe2e:485d] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:35:16 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-212-252.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:35:29 azuk` [~user@2001:670:a3:20:218:f3ff:fe2e:485d] has joined #lisp 22:35:41 I want to access some POSIX threading APIS that seems not accesible with SBCL thread API, what are my options, FFI, others? 22:37:01 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo] 22:37:14 openthreads(only green) 22:37:33 bordeaux-threads(don't know if it runs with sbcltoo) 22:37:57 pepone: well, you can use FFI, but be wary of corrupting runtime environment (especially signals) 22:38:04 homie: bordeaux-threads doesn;t support thread priorities i looking for 22:38:48 -!- azuk` [~user@2001:670:a3:20:218:f3ff:fe2e:485d] has quit [Read error: Connection refused] 22:38:55 osicat ? 22:39:13 pepone: what platform, just SBCL? 22:39:20 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host138-185-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:39:42 p_l|backup: Linux SBCL, i want to be able to use real time priorities with my threads 22:40:15 this one ? http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh210/funlunv1/IMG_0479.jpg&imgrefurl=http://catphotofy.com/q/osicat%2Bcat/&usg=__yN9yghZyU8zEXKUL4520BQLeH-Q=&h=417&w=508&sz=42&hl=de&start=3&zoom=0&tbnid=P0ZRsPHeoAU-LM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dosicat%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26sa%3DX%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1 22:40:20 -!- tvaalen_ [~r@terminal.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:40:28 and probably adjust the threads stack size 22:40:31 Wow. That's a uri. 22:40:48 tvaalen [~r@terminal.se] has joined #lisp 22:40:56 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A3D43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:05 http://common-lisp.net/project/osicat/ 22:41:07 -!- varjag_ [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:42:07 seems lightweight 22:42:44 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 22:42:57 if all that does not help, you're out of luck then 22:43:38 homie: i don't see any thread related stuf there, but thanks, can be of help for other things 22:44:41 pepone: you need to find thread id and call apropriate functions through POSIX API using FFI (possibly already exported in sb-posix) 22:44:46 anonymouse89 [~brian@c-24-34-195-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:39 mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@64.246.201.118] has joined #lisp 22:46:43 thanks p_l|backup i will try that way 22:47:35 aidalgol [~user@114-134-9-4.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:47:52 murilasso [~murilasso@189.103.20.140] has joined #lisp 22:48:04 -!- jweiss [~jweiss@cpe-069-134-009-048.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:48:35 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@host212-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:50:38 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@pool-71-247-29-155.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 22:50:53 ok, sb-posix doesn't have necessary APIs, but you can use sb-alien or CFFI 22:51:44 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-144-183.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51:46 -!- s1ugg0 [~chrish@net-216-37-86-189.in-addr.worldspice.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:30 gonzojive [~red@c-71-198-7-84.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:30 -!- rfg [~rfg@client-86-16-212-16.glw-bng-11.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: rfg] 22:52:43 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-144-183.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:54:36 -!- powerje [~powerj@adsl-75-49-11-38.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: powerje] 22:56:20 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050067014.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:56:35 uhg, how do I unshadow something? 22:57:46 pnq [~nick@AC82B3FE.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 22:58:24 Unintern the symbol? 22:58:30 (guessing) prefixing with the originating package name? 23:02:45 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633954.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:02:47 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:02:58 If I have #p"/a/b/c/d/e" is there an easy way to get #P"c/d/e" starting from #p"/a/b"? 23:03:09 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has left #lisp 23:03:35 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:04:59 -!- xan_ [~xan@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:05:24 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.195.7] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 23:07:47 slyrus: (enough-namestring #p"/a/b/c/d/e" #p"/a/b/") 23:08:00 (pathname (enough-namestring foo bar)) 23:08:01 thanks fe[nl]ix! 23:08:11 I knew I was forgetting somethign 23:08:17 hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279775309.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:13:54 -!- mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@64.246.201.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:14:16 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has joined #lisp 23:15:51 moxiemk1 [~moxiemk1@ETSY.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 23:16:11 Hey all, why is ,@body not showing up in this macroexpand? http://paste.lisp.org/display/117446 23:16:41 -!- moxiemk1 [~moxiemk1@ETSY.RES.CMU.EDU] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:45 moxiemk1 [~moxiemk1@ETSY.RES.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 23:17:53 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756d47.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:33 francogrex [~user@109.130.81.107] has joined #lisp 23:18:55 ahh, hah 23:18:57 My bad 23:19:00 Was too deep 23:19:33 powerje [~powerj@adsl-75-49-11-38.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:39 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:45 udzinari` [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 23:25:46 trebor_home [~email@dslb-088-069-137-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:55 -!- udzinari` [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:32 xan_ [~xan@26.Red-88-24-228.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:27:40 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:28:05 -!- pepone [~pepone@121.246.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:37 -!- ch077179 [~urs@adsl-89-217-171-138.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:33:08 -!- dfox_ [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:33:17 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-144-183.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:37:04 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 23:37:29 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.81.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:55 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-144-183.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:42:34 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-147-129.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:43:03 while I'm on the subject of stupid questions... is there a good way to debug sb-ext:run-program bugs? (i'm trying to pipe the output from one process into another) 23:43:49 slyrus, use iolib's spawn instead? 23:43:58 hrm... interesting idea 23:44:23 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 23:44:25 iolib has its own installation / distribution issues. 23:44:48 though happily, libfixposix will provide a one-stop fix to it. 23:45:49 Fare: CL side of the spawner is incomplete, though 23:46:06 is it? :-/ 23:46:25 didn't my branch do it all? 23:47:02 I might have to refresh my branch to use libfixposix's spawn instead of libc's broken variant of it. 23:53:54 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.79.32] has joined #lisp 23:54:48 why would you use spawn at all? 23:56:43 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:09 Guthur [~Guthur@cpc11-belf9-2-0-cust855.2-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:57:24 foom: what would you use? fork+exec manually? 23:58:25 is this a trick question? :) yes. 23:58:27 *Fare* is reminded to reset the signal foo before to exec 23:58:45 -!- devinus [~devinus@ps23102.dreamhost.com] has left #lisp 23:58:51 or maybe _Fork + exec 23:58:58 foom+exec 23:59:48 libfixposix seems to have an awful lot of functions of the form lfp_X(args) { return X(args); }