00:03:50 seangrove: that's because that's what CLHS says. 00:04:56 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-126-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:05:16 Surely there's a more profound meaning than that underneath? :) 00:05:50 The point is that the implementation may use another mechanism to print stuff, than going thru method dispatch for print-object. 00:06:07 I can't find the relevant section atm 00:06:10 So you may define a method, but it might not be used, or used inconsistently. 00:06:13 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-126-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 00:07:14 See point 19 of 11.1.2.1.2 00:07:22 So set-pprint-dispatch is more portable? 00:07:55 It comes back to CL doesn't have much support for genericity in its core. 00:07:56 pjb: right 00:08:30 seangrove: set-pprint-dispatch just changes the entry in a dispatch table.. you can have your own dispatch tables 00:09:10 More over, "The generic function print-object writes the printed representation of object to stream. The function print-object is called by the Lisp printer; it should not be called by the user." 00:09:59 pjb: But I wouldn't be calling it, I'd be defining it 00:10:06 But 11.1.2.1.2 is interesting, thank you 00:10:12 Feels like a good section to be aware of 00:10:13 Yes. You can define it on your own objects. 00:10:26 to be able to PRINT them. 00:10:42 it also usually makes sense to define your own classes for such things anyway 00:11:12 I've been avoiding classes for the time being 00:11:17 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:11:24 I just use lists/hashes that have a 'type' entry 00:11:53 I'll have to give in at some point I'm sure, but not quite yet 00:14:33 clint326 [~clint326@h96-60-102-154.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:56 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-126-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:27:44 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-126-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 00:29:11 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:48 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-88.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:32:20 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has 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I first (require 'asdf-install) and then (asdf-install:install 'clx) and choose a personal installation. I skip the GPG check and I get an error, "compnent "clx" not found". 02:53:56 Any idea what I'm bungling up here? 02:55:34 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-9-4.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:57:35 the same thing happens when I try to install cl-ppcre 02:57:41 <|3b|> might try quicklisp or clbuild instead of asdf-install 02:58:10 alright, ill give it a shot 02:59:02 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:04:43 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:05:43 w00t 03:06:48 joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #lisp 03:08:40 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-129-21.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:09:58 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-247-135.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:13:24 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: nighty night] 03:19:25 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:21:29 Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:21:29 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@c-68-51-145-83.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:21:29 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 03:21:38 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 03:24:19 -!- cmdrk [~lincoln@WS1-DSL-74-83-33-212.fuse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:55 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:31:23 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 03:33:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-25-200.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:36:32 jcab [~jcab@89.180.56.77] has joined #lisp 03:38:30 i have: xpto (list(list array something)) 03:38:39 how can i pop the array? 03:38:53 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has left #lisp 03:40:29 -!- clint326 [~clint326@h96-60-102-154.mdsnwi.tisp.static.tds.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:48:04 sabalaba [~sabalaba@221.122.48.108] has joined #lisp 03:49:29 -!- sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:50:27 Good morning everyone! 03:50:48 jcab: What is that supposed to mean: xpto (list(list array something))? 03:51:26 jcab: And what does it mean to pop an array? 03:53:37 necroforest [~jarred@pool-108-18-226-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:54:03 i have: (let((xpto(list(list array2d array2d)(list array2d array2d))))) 03:54:39 i want to return the first (list array2d array2d) and delete it from the list 03:55:05 like a kind of queue 03:55:38 jcab: So you say you want to pop the array, but it is really a queue represented as a list? 03:55:45 yes 03:56:09 jcab: When you ask questions, it is usually good to stick to consistent, widely acceptable terminology. 03:56:46 jcab: The answer to your question is: put (cdr xpto) as the last form of your let. 03:56:59 jcab: This is an elementary question. Are you just learning Lisp? 03:57:08 *|3b|* thought the answer was (pop xpto) 03:57:35 |3b|: Won't matter if it's the last form of the let. 03:57:48 OOPS! 03:58:11 <|3b|> but i guess that was another weakness in the problem description... 'return the first list' from what 03:58:15 jcab: I meant (car xpto) [too early for me] 04:02:18 beach: Yes, i'm learning now, but i want to delete the first item from the list also. 04:03:49 that´s why i said "pop" 04:04:13 <|3b|> clhs pop 04:04:13 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_pop.htm 04:05:53 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.80.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:57 jcab: But then it is not an array, and not a queue, but a stack. 04:06:18 lemoinem [~swoog@247-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:49 rmarianski [~user@user-387h3rc.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 04:07:04 jcab: More to the point, what are you doing with a list containing two sublists, each of which contains (presumably) two 2-dimensional arrays? 04:07:57 it is a queue (first in first out) 04:08:59 jcab: For a queue, the operations are traditionally called enqueue and dequeue, not push and pop. 04:09:17 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@221.122.48.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:09:28 Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:56 jcab: The short answer, though, is what |3b| showed you: (pop xpto) 04:10:38 sanjoyd [~sanjoy@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 04:11:21 jcab: yes, you´re right. 04:11:26 Thx for the help 04:11:39 Ywlcm. 04:12:05 i'm implementing bfs 04:12:07 -!- az [~az@p5796CD6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:12:18 What is bfs? 04:12:50 breadth first search 04:13:18 jcab: So what are the 2-D arrays for? 04:13:57 -!- powerje [~powerj@adsl-75-49-3-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: powerje] 04:14:14 sudoku, but my sublists are not exactly like that, it was just for give the example 04:14:14 sabalaba [~sabalaba@221.122.48.108] has joined #lisp 04:16:13 jcab: Is this for your own amusement, or is this part of some assignment? 04:17:00 Part of some assignment 04:18:23 jcab: If you post your code using lisppaste, we can give you style comments on it. 04:19:19 beach: ok, thank you one more time. 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[~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279440090.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:40:40 i get a REJECTING from CHAT-SERVER resource demo, i try register it with ws::origin-prefix 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.1:8080, some sugestion? thanks 13:42:18 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 13:42:20 <_3b> 127.0.0.1 or http://127.0.0.1 ? 13:42:38 <_3b> and you are loading the page from 127.0.0.1? 13:42:39 http:// 13:42:48 yes 13:43:27 Origin: http://127.0.0.1:8080 Cookie: Sec-WebSocket-Key1: 28$ 2w #KF=15Mceo 87*18^ 1 Sec-WebSocket-Key2: l i 3 K077]C r 80 p 2/ 77K0 [WebSocket] sent key3: ²Ž'¢lÚ [WebSocket] closed 13:44:15 Genosh [~Genosh@80.Red-88-24-212.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:45:31 -!- SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:47:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-80-98-25-200.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:49:36 _3b web-sockets log clws log http://paste.lisp.org/+2IIS 13:49:48 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:53 thanks 13:50:02 SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 13:52:10 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.56.177] has joined #lisp 13:52:15 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@211.108.125.215] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:54:27 -!- churib [~tg@dslc-082-082-126-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:55:09 <_3b> it looks like you get that error if you have registered a resource, but not defined methods for the class 13:56:21 -!- Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:56:57 -!- easyE [vNJ3BvvBDp@panix3.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:57:27 <_3b> specifically the resource-accept-connection method 13:57:45 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:52 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 13:59:47 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-19-101.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:59:50 thanks 14:02:44 im using the example chat resource-accept-connection 14:06:11 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@211.108.125.215] has joined #lisp 14:08:22 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:31 -!- Genosh [~Genosh@80.Red-88-24-212.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10:20 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:20 easyE [9loiUpEXco@panix3.panix.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:27 LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-124-9.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:50 -!- SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:15:33 kiuma [~kiuma@93-36-2-189.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 14:16:28 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-65-170.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:56 mcspiff [~user@142.68.76.180] has joined #lisp 14:19:25 Hey all, I have some code that loops over a collection of objects, and generates requests to a REST webservice based on them. Essentially, looping over a lisp of strings and generating an http-request based on them. I'm adding some error handling to this code... 14:20:05 currently, its something like (loop for str in strings do (request str) ...) where request is a function call that may fail 14:20:25 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@247-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:20:49 whats the most idiomatic way to say "if request fails, retry that request up to 5 times, otherwise stick str in *fail-strings*" 14:21:15 carlocci [~nes@93.37.201.250] has joined #lisp 14:21:20 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:21:27 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour5-2-0-cust921.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:22:25 SBCL runs compiler-macros on forms (funcall #'foo ) which is exactly what I want, although I wonder if it's a case of language lawyering :-) 14:23:46 <_3b> clhs 3.2.2.1.1 14:23:46 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/03_bbaa.htm 14:24:17 <_3b> tcr: ^ 3rd paragraph looks like it is normal 14:24:44 lemoinem [~swoog@247-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:53 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@host86-133-248-102.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:13 Guthur [~Guthur@host86-133-248-102.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:12 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@183-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 14:29:04 Bronsa [~bronsa@host192-117-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:33:33 urandom__ [~user@p548A770F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:36:02 homie [~user@xdsl-78-35-146-162.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:38:13 cmeow [cmeow@gateway/shell/shellium.org/x-afqgimblkedkscjb] has joined #lisp 14:40:41 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:41:31 -!- stdDoubt [~ptiago@a79-169-37-24.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:31 -!- Onyxyte [~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:45:46 -!- cmeow [cmeow@gateway/shell/shellium.org/x-afqgimblkedkscjb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:47 SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 14:51:19 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 14:53:07 rfg [~rfg@host81-102-105-24.not-set-yet.ntli.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:14 -!- kanru [~kanru@2001:c08:3700:ffff::1f:8de4] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:53:46 -!- benny [~benny@i577A19E5.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:55:24 -!- sellout [~greg@64.134.240.185] has quit [Quit: sellout] 14:56:05 -!- mcspiff [~user@142.68.76.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:56:50 Onyxyte [~Onyxyte@r75-110-112-109.rmntcmtc02.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:15 _3b: now works thans , 14:58:09 i dont see a undefined write-client-function, 14:59:40 benny [~benny@i577A343D.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 15:02:20 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:27 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 15:05:41 -!- Fullma [~fullma@ram94-2-82-66-69-246.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:49 Xach: right. 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I figured out an efficient way of traversing lists from the end (for functions such as count) so that no extra heap space is used, and so that the stack depth can be bounded. 16:18:26 psilord [~psilord@76.204.103.81] has joined #lisp 16:18:42 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-119.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:10 This makes the SICL implementation of the COUNT functions sometimes 3 times as fast as that of SBCL (when from-end is true and either test, test-not, or key is something that might have side effects. 16:19:22 ) 16:20:08 Oh, and: Good evening everyone! 16:20:15 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20:29 beach: Cool! 16:20:52 it's not cool until you say what is the way 16:21:04 rtoym: Yeah, I was very pleased this morning. I came up with it while in the sauna. 16:21:26 beach++ 16:21:29 or you want to patent it? 16:21:44 beach is heading for patent troll fame? 16:22:07 stassats: Nothing terribly complicated. Divide the list in to chunks that are of the form m^k where m is the "max" stack depth allowed, and so that there are fewer than m such chunks. 16:22:39 stassats: recurse on the chunks using nthcdr, then on each chunk with chunk size m^(k-1) etc. 16:22:57 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:22:57 schmrkc: you can patent and release it royalty-free, so that somebody else doesn't patent it 30 years after and sue you 16:23:07 stassats: It requires several (relatively inexpensive) traversals of the list. 16:23:39 stassats: No patent. It is all in the code of the SICL-sequences module now. 16:24:56 if you could use stack space directly, without calling functions, you could store more info there 16:25:31 too bad dynamic-extent behaviour isn't very deterministic among implementations 16:25:39 stassats: Right. I used that technique to invent the worlds fastest FFT shuffle algorithm a few years back. It was 5 times as fast as the previous record. 16:26:04 beach: I like this beach way more than the "Work is destroying my soul" beach! 16:26:20 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:26:44 eugu [~eugene@213.141.157.147] has joined #lisp 16:26:49 Xach: I don't recognize that behavior in myself. Perhaps I should read the logs! 16:26:55 *stassats* goes to pull sicl to understand it 16:28:11 stassats: Look in Code/Sequences/sequences.lisp. There is a big comment blob around the general traversal code, and examples in COUNT with from-end=true. 16:28:25 ok 16:29:08 using capitalized directory names is some convention? 16:29:31 I always do yes. I guess because of the order that ls gives. An old habit. 16:31:09 --group-directories-first option? 16:31:29 stassats: That didn't exist when my habit was developed. 16:32:19 well, you have to learn your new tools 16:32:32 Definitely. 16:34:45 sequence.lisp is quite long 16:35:48 line 243 16:35:55 how do you modify all the duplicated code? 16:36:03 Emacs macros. 16:36:39 ... and sometimes with query-replace-regex. 16:37:39 but there is still no guarantee that you didn't forget anything 16:38:52 though humongous all-generating macros aren't great either 16:39:13 stassats: I tried macros, but it became unreadable. 16:39:36 stassats: I hope that the tests will make sure I didn't forget anything. 16:39:46 a5h15h [~a5h15h@59.95.17.20] has joined #lisp 16:40:06 stassats: First example starts on line 17296. 16:40:38 ok 16:41:01 *beach* goes to watch "the daily show" on TV with his, admittedly small, family, and will be back later. 16:43:36 horze [~kim@c-0b1072d5.24-87-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:44:49 janissary [~bleh@user-112067m.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:46:00 -!- janissary [~bleh@user-112067m.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:48:58 -!- az [~az@p5796CE22.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:53 c|mell [~cmell@88-96-216-86.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:51:02 -!- powerje [~powerj@adsl-75-49-3-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: powerje] 16:52:49 me345 [~me345@adsl-75-15-181-17.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:00 -!- chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-93-176-141.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:53:40 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:55:47 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@93-36-2-189.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 16:58:19 powerje [~powerj@adsl-75-49-3-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:04 minion: memo for prxq: Forgot to mention but if you can get by with a 32-bit lisp and only need about 32 digits of precision, then double-double support in cmucl would be way faster than quad-doubles in oct. 17:02:04 Remembered. I'll tell prxq when he/she/it next speaks. 17:06:14 compmstr [~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:06 mikufans [~sanakanos@218.6.244.18] has joined #lisp 17:14:35 -!- a5h15h [~a5h15h@59.95.17.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:14:40 Why are predicates in lisp denoted like this: (stringp my-symbol)? The way scheme does it seems much more clear: (string? my-symbol). Is there a particular reason or is it just aribtrary/historical? 17:14:42 xl [~xl@120.83.209.253] has joined #lisp 17:15:05 p is for predicate 17:15:48 well, i know that... it just seems better to use the ability to have special characters in symbol names and use a ? 17:16:03 ? isn't special. 17:16:09 -!- ASau [~user@95-28-62-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:20 But the answer is that it is for historical reasons. 17:16:46 All sorts of arguments like "how do you pronounce a ?" come up, but it just boils down to past practice. 17:17:14 and it's harder to talk about scheme predicates, i'm always confused whether it's a question or a predicate 17:17:15 ? is a special character in the sense that C/C++/Java/Perl/Python/[almost every other language] force symbols to be alpha numerics and _ 17:17:31 they have symbols? 17:17:32 It's not special to CL, so we don't care. 17:18:12 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 17:18:22 stassats: in very limited sense, C has symbols when looked from the pov of Operating System and object files, but not as language 17:18:31 if scheme was developed in Spain, it would've ¿string? 17:18:35 lol 17:18:42 Java, Perl and Python technically has some... :) 17:18:49 Scheme was just developed with less baggage. 17:18:49 stassats: hahaha, good one :) 17:18:56 ASau [~user@95-28-62-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 17:19:08 CL was designed to keep as much irrelevant crap as possible from its predecessors. :) 17:19:09 C has symbols from the perspective of the compiler 17:19:27 necroforest: first class symbols? 17:19:29 no 17:19:31 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7574ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:44 necroforest: but they aren't related to language, technically 17:19:52 what else should i call them then? 17:20:50 necro: Probably identifiers, since that seems to be what you're trying to talk about. 17:21:07 ok. s/symbol/identifer/g :) 17:21:31 -!- psilord [~psilord@76.204.103.81] has left #lisp 17:22:56 az [~az@p4FE4F311.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:24:42 eh, on SBCL: do these seem like decent debug settings for being sure I can watch precisely what's going on? I eval this before I load in all my code and start stepping in Slime: (proclaim '(optimize (debug 3) (speed 1) (space 1) (compilation-speed 1))) 17:25:08 hargettp: see sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 17:25:15 and debug 3 is too debuggy 17:25:29 although restrict-compiler-policy works only one way 17:26:25 i have (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 2) in my init file 17:27:07 stassats: ok, will try that...maybe the weird artifact I am seeing is a result of "too debuggy," ty 17:27:34 the main concern about debug 3 is that it disables TCO 17:27:38 stassats: would (proclaim '(optimize (debug 2)) be more or less the same, but written less SBCL specific? 17:27:49 hargettp: no 17:27:55 k 17:28:31 because it could be overridden 17:29:06 Dawgmatix [~dman@203.187.211.82] has joined #lisp 17:29:10 Can someone tell how to get the full url of the request from ucw-core regexp-dispatcher (or using something more appropriate)? 17:29:48 I can't understand it from reading the ucw source for two days now... 17:30:01 I'm thinking of going back to Hunchentoot 17:30:21 Although continuations would have been great for a desktop like web app 17:31:26 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 17:31:29 It seems that parts of the ucw-core source aren't even used anymore, which makes using the source as documentation a PITA. 17:31:49 -!- c|mell [~cmell@88-96-216-86.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:09 naryl [~weechat@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 17:32:17 that's easy, just write your own framework 17:32:21 c|mell [~cmell@88-96-216-86.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:32:40 stassats, exactyl what I have been thinking. LOL :-D 17:32:44 looks like I missed some fun. Can I have some logs? :) 17:32:44 If I only had time... 17:33:01 peterhil: LoL name is already taken 17:33:11 minion: please tell naryl about logs 17:33:11 naryl: direct your attention towards logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 17:33:11 True... ;_) 17:33:41 Other channels I'm on have it as the first thing in topic :D 17:33:43 I have been looking into Core-Server and Weblocks too, but they don't seem mature enough 17:33:53 -!- sdsds is now known as is 17:34:07 -!- is is now known as sdsds 17:34:15 naryl: we need to show off minion somehow 17:35:37 stassats: That's also why I'm thinkin going back to Hunchentoot and restfulness Ajax and maybe some Comet or JSONP stuff might not be that bad. Looking at the HT source, it seems at least I can comprehend what's going on... 17:35:46 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 17:36:18 err, back to Hunchentoot with maybe handking user interactions with restful ajax/jsonp/comet stuff... 17:37:35 -!- plediii [~plediii@nat-168-7-234-37.rice.edu] has quit [Quit: plediii] 17:38:40 stassats: make it greet newcomers with NOTICE 17:39:33 and remember authenticated users so it won't introduce itself more than one time. 17:40:13 minion: show me your source 17:40:14 naryl: what's up? 17:40:17 :( 17:41:54 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 17:43:44 -!- xl [~xl@120.83.209.253] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:44:27 naryl: I think I saw a bot doing that at #haskell or somewhere. It had a few messages along the lines of "What has got to do with the fish?" It was fun but a bit creepy, because it sometimes made other remarks also. 17:45:10 -!- HG` [~HG@85.8.91.162] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:46:58 -!- rdd` is now known as rdd 17:47:28 Ah, it was #couchdb, the bot is called Monty2 17:47:57 minion: tell naryl about minion 17:47:57 naryl: please see minion: minion is an IRC robot (who prefers the term "electronically composed.") For online help, try /msg minion help Minion is hosted at common-lisp.net and is usually connected to the #lisp IRC channel. http://www.cliki.net/minion 17:48:17 peterhil: #lisp wouldn't like such a bot 17:48:27 -!- SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has quit [Quit: Smoke was slowly rising as the light began to fade] 17:49:06 SpitfireWP [~Spitfire@wikipedia/spitfire] has joined #lisp 17:49:29 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:50:13 Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:52 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:56 Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:23 stassats: Yes, I can see. It is maybe too distracting and chatty 17:56:29 ASau` [~user@95-26-92-102.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 17:57:18 rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:10 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-218-150.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:58:34 -!- ASau [~user@95-28-62-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:46 -!- ASau` [~user@95-26-92-102.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:30 peterhil: yes, and we have enough chatty humans already 18:02:05 ASau` [~user@95-26-92-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 18:04:04 what would be a nice approach to interleave one list with another, e.g. every three elements in list1 insert list2 18:05:03 Guthur: Do you mean create a list with alternating elements from one or the other? 18:05:25 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:12 beach: well in this case I have one list where I want to insert 3 extra elements every 3 elements 18:06:41 so that '(1 2 3 4 5 6) => '(1 2 3 a b c 1 2 3 a b c) 18:06:53 1 2 3/4 5 6 18:09:15 The approach would probably depend on how general a solution you want. 18:10:30 Guthur: You could start creating groups of 3 elements from the list, then alternating it with a list of (a b c) and finally (reduce #'append ...) the result. 18:10:48 doesn't have to be too general in this case 18:11:07 oh reduce, I so often over look that 18:11:33 ASau`` [~user@95-27-197-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 18:12:34 Guthur: (loop for (x y z) on '(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9) by #'cdddr append (list x y z) append '(a b c)) 18:13:03 Guthur: Not general at all, but solves this particular problem. 18:13:21 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 18:13:42 -!- _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 18:13:43 beach, Oh nice, that will do fine, cheers 18:13:51 No problem. 18:14:10 I did not know you could do that 18:14:15 _s1gma [~herpderp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 18:14:22 Guthur: What is "that" in this case? 18:14:25 the :for (x y x) :on... 18:14:32 I see. 18:15:03 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:15:04 well I have learned something and got a workable solution 18:15:09 all is good, hehe 18:15:14 Great! 18:15:41 -!- ASau` [~user@95-26-92-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:15:56 -!- bsod1 [~osa1@188.56.221.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:56 -!- fundamental [~fundament@not-suspicious.woodstock.clarkson.edu] has left #lisp 18:15:59 just need finish fishing the cinnamon stick out of my honey drink now, hehe 18:16:17 *Xach* is not familiar with that euphemism, does not want to become familiar with that euphemism 18:16:18 Can't help you with that. 18:16:28 -!- c|mell [~cmell@88-96-216-86.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:16:31 petercoulton [~petercoul@cpc2-midd16-2-0-cust169.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:16:33 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.80.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:41 lol it was an euphemism 18:16:58 it broke up and I have spent this entire conversation trying to remove it 18:17:44 lol 18:19:03 was/was not 18:19:39 -!- ASau`` is now known as ASau 18:21:55 -!- Dawgmatix [~dman@203.187.211.82] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:24:19 hi all. I've been working on a new, experimental lisp dialect. you may take a look at it now: http://github.com/azer/rokalisp 18:24:37 any ideas and suggestions are welcome 18:26:14 bsod1 [~osa1@188.56.175.13] has joined #lisp 18:26:23 sid3k: what have you made with it? 18:28:32 c|mell [~cmell@88-96-216-86.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:29:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@85-065.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:29:24 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 18:31:40 pff [~pff@vie38-2-82-245-114-29.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:32:48 SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has joined #lisp 18:33:17 -!- churib [~tg@dslc-082-082-119-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:34:28 Xach: javascript 18:34:40 sid3k: What is different about it? 18:34:49 sid3k: "with it", not "it with". 18:34:55 sid3k: What -software- have you written using this language? 18:35:23 ah, sorry 18:35:59 currently, nothing. but I'll code an interpreter using it. 18:36:19 what will you use that interpreter for? 18:36:20 sid3k: an interpreter for what 18:36:22 easyE [9DH5Wc2DP4@panix3.panix.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:44 I meant, just a simple web based repl to make it possible to try roka lisp easier 18:38:20 drdo: it's going to be javascript interoperable 18:38:29 REPL doesn't have to contain an interpreter 18:38:48 right, sorry for my poor english 18:39:02 sid3k: That's not a real difference, that's just a FFI for javascript 18:39:41 hmm 18:39:41 super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 18:40:08 sid3k: What makes your Lisp a Lisp in your opinion? 18:40:40 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:41:08 It's pure functional and I inspired by scheme and clojure mostly 18:41:39 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 18:41:46 How do you do side effects? 18:42:24 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:43:17 Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:07 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45:15 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:45:25 kmwallio [~kmwallio@host113-70.brownlie.fit.edu] has joined #lisp 18:45:26 jconrad_ [~jconrad@host109-153-44-132.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:45:34 drdo: currently roka works just read-only. I'm reading some texts to improve it and also my knowledge and open for advices. 18:46:02 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 18:46:05 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-36-11.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46:05 -!- jconrad_ is now known as jconrad 18:46:06 minion: please tell sid3k about LiSP 18:46:06 sid3k: look at LiSP: "Lisp in Small Pieces". This book covers Lisp, Scheme and other related dialects, their interpretation, semantics and compilation. To sum it up in a few figures: 500 pages, 11 chapters, 11 interpreters and 2 compilers. 18:46:27 -!- craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:46:51 sykopomp: I know about that book, which is in my reading list. 18:46:58 -!- Edward [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-30-238.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 18:47:02 very good book 18:47:58 gozek [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:48:02 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 18:48:42 Especially the excellent English translation! 18:48:43 -!- pff [~pff@vie38-2-82-245-114-29.fbx.proxad.net] has left #lisp 18:48:57 thanks sykopomp, btw I got a new book named "seven languages in seven weeks", I haven't started yet but it seems cool 18:49:37 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:51:18 you can't learn a single language in seven weeks 18:51:57 To be fair though, the word "learn" is not in the title. 18:52:22 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:24 what else can you do with a language? 18:52:39 cargo cult it in seven weeks? 18:52:45 -!- SolarBoom [~Nurlan@85.132.44.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:52:46 Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 18:52:49 stassats: it depends on the depth a coder wants to dive 18:52:50 Something like that, yeah. 18:52:58 a week is plenty of time to become a passionate advocate 18:53:05 that seems to be about the amount of time spent by many advocates 18:53:35 -!- jconrad [~jconrad@host109-153-44-132.range109-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:55:17 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:56:34 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:04:27 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:04:29 seangrove [~user@c-67-188-1-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:23 super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:07:23 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:19 super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:11:55 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@183-15-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:13:35 super` [~super_@pool-173-78-145-82.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:51 -!- mindCrime_ [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:14:17 sohail [~Adium@76-10-165-4.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:14:19 -!- sohail [~Adium@76-10-165-4.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Changing host] 19:14:19 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 19:14:57 Guest55965 [~jayjay@adsl-232-211-192-81.adsl2.iam.net.ma] has joined #lisp 19:16:05 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:16:13 -!- Guest55965 [~jayjay@adsl-232-211-192-81.adsl2.iam.net.ma] has quit [Client Quit] 19:17:02 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-66-205-250.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:17:27 maden [~maden@207.164.192.116] has joined #lisp 19:17:52 cmm [~cmm@109.66.205.250] has joined #lisp 19:19:36 araujo [~araujo@190.38.50.25] has joined #lisp 19:19:36 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.50.25] has quit [Changing host] 19:19:36 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:22:36 What is the 'f' in setf and incf? 19:22:45 "set function" and "increment function"? 19:22:53 nobody knows 19:23:18 Good 19:23:21 I just solved it then 19:23:31 I'll take the credit now, please 19:23:41 no, because it's wrong 19:23:48 seangrove: Except those are the main things that cannot be functions. 19:26:44 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-183-82.vologda.ru] has quit [Quit: I wish the toaster to be happy, too.] 19:28:09 mysteries of common lisp 19:32:58 sabayonuser2 [~sabayonus@adsl-074-166-228-237.sip.bct.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:04 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:13 -!- sabayonuser2 is now known as osoleve 19:33:30 seangrove: form. 19:34:17 (set (quote sym) val) = (setq sym val) ; since places are forms, (setf place val) 19:34:42 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:35:28 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-183-82.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 19:35:46 sixpoint8 [~jaykub@ip68-12-204-131.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:31 it's just a hypothesis 19:37:25 chemuduguntar [~ravi@118-92-3-79.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 19:41:43 kaemo [~mad5ci@d38-66.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 19:41:57 it's "set form" because you can do stuff like (setf (elt my-array 5) 42) 19:42:37 Does SETF predate common lisp? 19:43:29 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-183-82.vologda.ru] has quit [Quit: I wish the toaster to be happy, too.] 19:44:02 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-183-82.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 19:44:08 oh I wanted to ask -- I think someone mentioned this before, but have there been any efforts to implement lisp-n-style namespacing of identifiers in a lisp-1? 19:44:25 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:44:49 perhaps while still maintaining full lexical scoping of the multi-namespaced identifiers. 19:44:52 if that makes any sense. 19:45:03 What mechanism would you use? 19:45:22 that's what I'm wondering. It's more a question of how to derive the lisp-n-ness from lisp-1. 19:45:39 so that you can, for example, keep classes in their own private lexical environment. 19:46:22 -!- molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-195-64.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:45 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:46 molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-195-64.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:46:50 beach: ideally, it would have a similar 'look and feel' to CL's multiple namespaces, where (block foo ... (let ((foo 1)) ...(return-from foo foo))) would work. 19:47:05 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.56.177] has joined #lisp 19:47:26 but you could still have proper lexical shadowing semantics for both of those bindings, even though what they're bound to depends on context. 19:48:12 abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:15 as an alternative to, say, having to mangle your identifiers (Racket uses % as a suffix for class names, for example, and languages like Python use Capitalization) 19:48:18 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:48:46 -!- easyE [9DH5Wc2DP4@panix3.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:48:53 -!- Intensity [z1STYHpvh3@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:48:54 I've messed around with the idea, but I haven't found a way to do it that doesn't involve actually adding more namespaces to the environment, at a low level. 19:49:50 I guess it depends on the features of your Lisp-1, but in Scheme for instance, I can't see any way other than writing an interpreter/compiler for your Lisp-n on top of it, which is not what you are looking for. 19:50:21 i'm back at a computer again, and i'm determined to have slime +clisp working within the next 30 minutes 19:50:32 sadly, i can't get it working myself. :( 19:50:43 osoleve: why clisp? 19:50:44 can someone take a look here (http://paste.lisp.org/display/117327) and see what i'm doing wrong? 19:50:52 sykopomp: for Land of Lisp 19:51:15 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:51:35 beach: istr being pointed to something by kent pitman that did something similar, but I've since lost it :\ 19:51:37 sykopomp: probably. CL didn't invent much, it mostly unified existing practice. 19:51:44 Intensity [kXALUkxmEn@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 19:51:51 the issue is, it loads, but gives the error in the paste, and runs as *inferior-lisp* as opposed to *clisp repl* or whatever it should say 19:51:59 -!- super` [~super_@pool-173-78-145-82.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:52:05 Doesn't the f in setf mean "form"? 19:52:18 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:52:35 Oh, nevermind. Just read the answers ten lines back... 19:52:54 osoleve: yes, when there's an error during start up, swank cannot run, so it's stuck in *inferior-lisp*. 19:53:40 osoleve: do you use quicklisp? In any case, have asdf loaded in ~/.clisprc so that swan can run. 19:53:47 osoleve: it looks like it wants asdf to get loaded. 19:54:19 -!- rff [~rff@ip72-207-243-174.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:54:41 is this a common error? 19:54:55 using clisp with slime isn't very common, I believe. 19:55:42 sykopomp clisp is a good implementation however. For example, I can compile it on my gentoo x86_64 system, while I'm unable to compile sbcl more recent than 1.0.19. 19:55:57 sykopomp: fair enough. i guess i can just use the REPL outside of emacs 19:56:15 osoleve: slime works well enough with clisp. 19:56:16 jeti [~user@p579A4A02.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:48 osoleve: the only problem is that often when you break in sldb, it breaks the connection with clisp, so you have to M-x slime again, on the existing *inferior-lisp*. 19:57:06 osoleve: I guess this is because slime expects multi-threading... 19:57:29 don't most of us, these days? 19:57:32 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:59:17 It should not break the connection if you enter sldb 19:59:50 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 19:59:59 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181130165.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:00:08 More like when you get out of it. 20:00:50 I've got #+clisp (setf swank:*use-dedicated-output-stream* nil) in .swank.lisp ; perhaps it's incorrect? 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21:19:36 -!- maden [~maden@207.164.192.116] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:19:52 francogrex: it's a rss feed, you can subrscribe with any program that do such a thing. 21:20:18 Or you can just go to http://planet.lisp.org each day. 21:20:24 (make it your home page). 21:21:18 pjb: ok I'll add the rss to firefox 21:21:52 kaemo [~mad5ci@d38-66.icpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 21:22:36 done 21:22:55 welcome! 21:23:16 -!- francogrex [c14be4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.75.228.252] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:24:12 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:24:31 francogrex [c14be4fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.75.228.252] has joined #lisp 21:25:03 sorry got disconnected 21:26:29 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@63-255-108-233.ip.mcleodusa.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 21:37:42 Xach, hey, is there a way to quicklisp-install all available systems? 21:38:07 -!- jeti [~user@p579A4A02.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:40:51 tic: not a short way, but it's not too hard. 21:41:28 Xach, okay, thought I'd missed something obvious. I'm asking because of laptop without internet connectivity. 21:42:11 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.67.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:43:45 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.146.149] has joined #lisp 21:44:19 gz__ [~gz@826ahost106.starwoodbroadband.com] has joined #lisp 21:44:50 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:45:40 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46:15 Anybody here worked with/written a partial evaluator before? 21:46:18 brandonz [~brandon@c-76-102-192-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:29 what's a partial evaluator? 21:48:52 easyE [cOt63ZFenk@panix3.panix.com] has joined #lisp 21:49:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_evaluation 21:49:26 gfym [~gfym@c-98-207-21-18.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:46 is there an 'abstraction' calculus? 21:50:22 that is, a rigorous formalization of process of abstraction? 21:50:35 Ralith: just ask. 21:50:47 okay 21:50:54 craiggles [~craig@host81-141-115-9.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #lisp 21:51:49 so my conception of partial evaluation is a process which takes EVALable sexps as input and returns EVALable sexps as output 21:51:51 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 21:52:29 however, there are cases where naive partial evaluation can transform EVALable sexps to something unEVALable. 21:53:09 specifically, this occurs on partial evaluation of any form which will be partially evaluated to a list or a symbol. 21:53:56 the value returned is a concrete list or symbol, which is understood by the final evaluation as another sexp and, more likely than not, is not in fact a valid sexp. 21:54:11 certainly not one whose evaluation produces desired behavior. 21:54:11 tic: (use-package :ql-dist) then (map nil #'ensure-installed (provided-systems t)) 21:54:28 How do existing partial evaluators address this? 21:54:29 I have a hash-table (*entity-escape-list*) where the keys are individual characters and the replacement for the character is the value (or the character itself if the key isn't in the hash-table). I'm trying to make a function that takes a string and will return a new string with all of the characters filtered through this table. 21:54:47 Ralith: that's what QUOTE is for. 21:54:52 But I'm not sure how to iterate over characters and have it all come back as a single string 21:55:11 pkhuong: that was what I suspected. Is quote indeed used in existing partial evaluators, and is it the only solution? 21:55:26 it's even used in existing source code! 21:55:42 pkhuong: I'm experimenting with partial evaluation of a language derived from Kernel, and am attempting to follow its lead in avoiding quote. 21:55:51 and yes, some sort of quotation is needed when code is data. 21:55:53 however, this strikes me as a correct use, even in that context. 21:55:58 okay, thanks. 21:57:01 Ralith: if closures are translucid enough, it may make more sense to manipulate closures and return closures/values. 21:57:14 Xach, thank you 21:57:23 jconrad [~jconrad@host86-147-199-134.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:58:06 pkhuong: as far as I can tell, the semantics for that are isomorphic; I'd just be sticking the same in-need-of-quoting form in the closure body. 21:58:26 tic: that is going to cost me a penny :~( 21:59:00 Xach, right. then I shall refrain from doing it unless absolutely needed! I grabbed weblocks to tinker with and it seems to have pulled the rest of the world anyway. :-) 21:59:19 PCChris [~PCChris@wireless-165-124-137-47.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 21:59:24 Ralith, couldn't you replace a body of code with a lambda that takes no arguments 21:59:29 tic: It's ok, I can spare a penny 21:59:41 chemuduguntar: the question is, what, then, is the body of the lambda? 21:59:56 Ralith: (1 2 3) => (lambda () 1 2 3) 22:00:02 tic: my bill for all of november was $1.71 22:00:12 sykopomp: that returns 3. 22:00:13 :P 22:00:16 oh 22:00:17 hee 22:00:17 Xach, that's not a lot. 22:00:27 I'm Ah, got it 22:00:33 Needed with-output-to-string 22:00:40 -!- PuffTheMagic [~PuffTheMa@unaffiliated/puffthemagic] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:02:17 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-189-59.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:28 i think you'd have to use quote...hmm 22:03:19 unless the interpreter is designed that there is no value other then lambda 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