00:00:05 Xach: no one is there :D 00:00:13 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 00:00:13 -!- fmu_ [89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hgxxqvhvlburqwho] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:01:00 also #lisp doesn't get enough (or 'Ironically 'Genuinely) Stupid (tm) comments. 00:01:55 We get plenty of stupid comments and stupid attempts at comedy. 00:02:46 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:02:50 fine I'll go eat 00:02:57 but I promise I will get you back Xach. 00:04:06 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A83A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:04:06 -!- Jini [~pidgin@94.242.140.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:05:34 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.65.168.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:06:49 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:10:44 jeyr [~jeyr@117.199.1.5] has joined #lisp 00:14:19 dreish [~dreish@2002:cf8a:2fad:0:21f:5bff:fe35:ae0d] has joined #lisp 00:16:58 gonzojive [~red@c-24-23-182-253.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:18:04 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 00:19:49 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:24:11 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 00:25:01 -!- jeyr [~jeyr@117.199.1.5] has quit [Quit: jeyr] 00:25:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@76-036.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:26:32 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:29:24 is there a shorthand way to build a list of numbers 1 to n without loop? 00:29:47 something line Python's range() or R's seq() 00:30:22 vs: Nope. 00:30:40 vs: alexandria:iota is one easy way 00:31:17 Xach: what about something like enumerate? I have elements in a list I am processing with loop that I need to tag with numbers 00:31:59 vs: *with* loop? (loop for element in list for i from 0 collect (cons i element)) for example 00:32:17 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:32:35 Xach: excellent, thanks Xach 00:32:56 I was headed that direction, but I didn't want to reinvent the wheel if it exited 00:33:00 *existed 00:33:13 (defun range (start end &optional (increment 1)) (loop for x from start to end by increment collecting x)) 00:33:29 i was beat by the Xach 00:33:39 I suppose I could extend loop with a macro that does (loop for (c, i) in enumerate list...) 00:33:55 vs: correction, you can extend ITERATE 00:33:57 vs: loop already can destructure like that. 00:34:03 why not just use the loop? 00:34:11 that wheel seems round enough 00:34:28 /part/ 00:34:31 er, that is: 00:34:33 -!- rswarbrick [rupert@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has left #lisp 00:34:43 adeht: why settle for a wheel when you can have a sphere? 00:34:59 I thought something like (loop for c in list for i in (range (length list)) or something, but the methods above work 00:35:41 -!- humasect [~humasect@S01060018f870b75e.rd.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:08 vs: the holly grail of extensible iteration is the iterate macro 00:36:29 though extending it is a black art and I have yet to see useful examples of it outside the manual 00:37:26 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 00:37:33 "He chose...poorly" 00:37:44 fusss: iirc clsql/perec/.. extends it 00:37:54 I am starting to get the sense that even the programmer that just knows lisp is a polyglot with these multiple DSLs for everything 00:38:10 (not a criticism) 00:38:34 fusss: Why settle for a wheel? Because it's a whole lot easier to get directional control with a wheel. 00:38:35 vs: not a polyglot by any means, just someone who can step into source and use cross-referencing 00:40:53 Hear the Gospel(tm): One day, when you're advanced enough, you won't like LOOP or even ITERATE all that much. 00:40:55 nyef: iterate is more fun than this http://img.xcitefun.net/users/2009/12/135669,xcitefun-walking-ball-2.jpg 00:41:50 ... Oh, neat. Are those the giant hamster balls that show up in xkcd every so often? 00:43:36 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-153-145.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 00:43:39 pierrep [~ppasteau@bas1-montreal43-2925257677.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:43:57 it's most fun the firs 12 minutes before one asphyxiates 00:44:27 then it becomes an inflated hefty bag to dispose of children 00:44:45 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:05 fusss: I guess if it had breathing holes the kids would eventually sink 00:48:41 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:48:47 vitruvian bumping balls 00:49:27 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Uomo_Vitruviano.jpg <- the vitruvian man in such a bumping ball 00:52:58 Xach: (setf values) is only broken inside function, hmmm ... 00:54:54 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:55:11 fusss: You think you've found a bug?... 00:55:31 Hexstream: Xach did 00:55:41 Oh. 00:55:53 Hexstream: http://trac.common-lisp.net/armedbear/ticket/107 00:56:01 take a look if you're familiar with abcl 00:56:31 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:20 I am not. I merely use SBCL all the time (without looking inside). That's the extent of my knowledge of Common Lisp implementations. 00:59:10 i myself am not that far ahead 01:00:18 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:01:28 fwiw you can run the internals of abcl from repl; i routinely feed it strings and get back compiled octets. zero to nil debugging support though :-) 01:07:38 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:13:09 Xach: have-a-moment-p 01:13:19 I need you to see if this is a bug 01:13:33 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:13:44 (open "foo.cls" :if-does-not-exist :create :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) <-- seems to fail if file doesn't already exist! 01:13:52 :create argument is being ignored 01:14:26 -!- fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:15:08 Hum. Isn't read mode the default? 01:15:45 What good is it trying to create the file if it doesn't exist if you're trying to read from it? 01:16:05 clhs open 01:16:05 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_open.htm 01:16:22 Try :direction :input 01:16:30 excellent! 01:16:42 I mean, :output. 01:17:07 that works 01:17:36 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:37 Also, there's a good chance you're looking to use WITH-OPEN-FILE, not OPEN. 01:18:40 WITH-OPEN-FILE will arrange for the file to be closed no matter how its scope is exited (normally or by a non-local exit). 01:19:20 no, that much I know 01:19:48 Ok. Still not clear on your general knowledge. 01:21:54 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 01:23:27 yeah, the default is :input 01:23:58 araujo [~araujo@190.199.102.96] has joined #lisp 01:23:58 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.199.102.96] has quit [Changing host] 01:23:58 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 01:24:20 Xach: Too little too late!! 01:24:22 -!- pierrep [~ppasteau@bas1-montreal43-2925257677.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:26:01 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:28:31 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:35:49 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:50 -!- phrixos [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:41:17 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@64.134.66.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:44:06 *attila_lendvai* is too annoyed by git, and by slime still using cvs... so just goes to sleep 01:50:15 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-134-29-75.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:51:07 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54:39 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:55:02 -!- katofiad is now known as kato|afk 01:59:27 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 02:00:05 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-64-102.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 02:05:30 -!- kato|afk is now known as katofiad 02:06:06 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: good night everyone] 02:11:38 sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.162.242] has joined #lisp 02:13:32 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:14:45 -!- timack [~tim@hlfx53-1-34.ns.sympatico.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:04 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-20-56-192.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: Sleep beckons.] 02:17:10 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:19:15 incandenza [~djm@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:19:18 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:20:03 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:26:53 Pavitra [~pavitra@76-76-236-67.lisco.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:29 sharps [~user@ip-118-90-8-171.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 02:46:19 ost```` [~user@217.198.9.4] has joined #lisp 02:46:19 -!- ost``` [~user@217.198.9.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:54:02 -!- kslt1 [~user@netblock-208-127-156-74.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:56:39 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 02:58:12 phrixos [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 03:01:06 wareya [~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:02:26 -!- wareya_ [~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:07:34 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 03:18:30 -!- peterbb [~peterbb@s22-00036.dsl.no.powertech.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:21:23 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:23:43 -!- dreish [~dreish@2002:cf8a:2fad:0:21f:5bff:fe35:ae0d] has quit [Quit: dreish] 03:29:19 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:34:28 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-24-23-182-253.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 03:38:30 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:56:30 -!- rme [rme@clozure-12127D16.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 03:56:30 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-87-127.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:00:39 ost````` [~user@217.198.9.4] has joined #lisp 04:04:58 -!- ost```` [~user@217.198.9.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:08:29 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 04:11:14 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11:34 sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:57 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 04:32:22 Good morning everyone! 04:35:43 morning beach 04:37:55 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:38:04 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:41:43 schmrkc: Where do you live these days? 04:44:59 beach: I live in malmoe for a bit longer. 04:45:08 And then what? 04:45:17 beach: bonjour 04:45:23 beach: where are you? 04:45:31 will you be at ILC2010? 04:45:36 Nope. 04:45:50 I'm in Bordeaux. In December I go to VN for 6 months. 04:46:08 nice! 04:46:13 I'd like to go to VN in december 04:46:14 beach: Then we are locking to relocate to wherever lisa wants to enjoy the wonders of law school. 04:46:15 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:46:20 will you be south or north then? 04:46:20 beach: personally I'd like to stay here :) 04:46:25 are the hackers south or north? 04:46:48 Fare: Me? In VN? I'll be in Saigon. 04:48:52 beach: We're staying here atleast up until the summer. Then we don't really know. Which is troublesome for me. I'm looking for a good spot to run my business but if we're moving then I don't want to rent/buy some space here + fix that up and then just have to move all the "stuff" to somewhere else. :) 04:49:18 schmrkc: Yes, I see. 04:52:18 *schmrkc* will endure the pains of working in a commercial fitness spa some time longer. 04:52:45 *schmrkc* closes emacs for today. 3hrs of mcclimery is enough for one day :) 04:55:39 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:40 mcclimery? sounds painful 04:57:06 beach: so, no ILC for you? 04:57:19 (I suppose Reno NV is not THAT attractive a location) 04:57:23 Fare: 'fraid not. 04:57:39 I hope they do organize ILC in japan next year 04:57:50 Then I'll definitely go. 04:58:08 beach: the flexichain-test package seems rather borked 04:58:29 slyrus_: Really? 04:58:37 Fare: It does have some painful moments, yeah. 04:59:01 beach: perhaps I just don't know how to run it 04:59:08 Fare: the alternative seems to be a webui, and there I am completely lost. 04:59:40 slyrus_: I'll try to look into all that over the weekend. Right now I am not quite awake yet. 05:00:20 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:01:07 -!- Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:02:11 beach: ok, the problem with the tests is that rtester needs to depend on stupid 05:02:30 (oh, and I don't understand why the tests need clim, but that's another problem) 05:02:38 So you are able to run it now? 05:05:50 pizdets [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:58 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:07:32 Anyone know of a vector library that provides boolean operations? (eg. union of two overlapping polygons) 05:09:11 beach: well, now it loads, runs and gives an error 05:09:14 I guess that's an improvement 05:16:00 -!- zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has quit [Quit: ztnz] 05:20:52 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:21:44 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 05:23:39 Joreji [~thomas@76-036.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 05:23:54 -!- sharps [~user@ip-118-90-8-171.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24:29 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:25:05 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 05:28:17 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:28:28 -!- Joreji [~thomas@76-036.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:28:33 -!- pizdets [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 05:28:57 Joreji [~thomas@76-036.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 05:35:29 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 05:35:29 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:37:54 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:41:50 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 05:48:22 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:50:34 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58:16 -!- Pavitra [~pavitra@76-76-236-67.lisco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:03:32 fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-230-225.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 06:06:03 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-144-216.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 06:13:56 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:13 EngiNerd [~quassel@cpe-76-179-25-166.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:14:28 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:16:33 I really hate to ask this kind of thing but I'm coming up blank 06:17:02 Trying to debug the wifi on my iPod and was wondering if anyone knows of an IRC channel to check 06:18:03 is it an immature and dickish move if I add error signaling behavior or multiple values to STD-FINALIZE-INHERITANCE? 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Can you get a hint on the status bar or something instead? 07:29:51 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-084-056-156-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:30:27 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-084-056-156-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 07:31:20 fusss: nice! I had been looking for that one (about 10 minutes - a few months ago) but I couldn't see the immediate solution. I postponed. 07:32:01 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-188-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:32:17 p_l|uni [~pl@hgd210.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 07:34:06 ehu: i plan to nibble on the issues and take the simple stuff until i learn more java and familiarize myself with abcl 07:36:12 Xach: issue fixed. 07:36:55 fusss: great idea. there are quite a few things which are more lisp than Java related. 07:37:31 josemanuel [~josemanue@45.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 07:37:45 ehu: yeah, I would like to stay with CLOS issues 07:38:55 gonzojive [~red@c-24-23-182-253.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:39:24 fusss: are you working to find the CLOS race condition? 07:39:42 ehu: I don't even know what that is 07:40:19 did you just fix Xach's issue regarding (setf values)? 07:40:33 yup. 07:40:44 woah 07:40:48 what was it? 07:40:54 I looked at it for 2 hours 07:41:02 heh! 07:41:12 this is what I did: 07:41:14 structure-ref 07:41:23 was it in defstruct.lisp? 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07:46:38 timor [~timor@port-92-195-116-122.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:47:55 galdor: (setf append) nconc, etc. but look into alexandria for better variety 07:48:32 ok thank you 07:48:44 almost 4AM, nite all! 07:48:48 nite ehu 07:48:49 galdor: it's a very inefficient operation 07:48:53 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-230-225.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 07:48:53 fusss: night 07:49:19 galdor: it's O(n) in the length of the list 07:49:32 galdor: Why do you want to put an element at the end of the list? 07:49:40 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-118-87.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:45 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/115130 07:49:54 beach: for a queue (add at the end, consume at the beginning) 07:50:16 ehu: I didn't even think about it, you're right 07:50:17 galdor: The standard trick is to keep a pointer to the last cons cell of the list. 07:50:24 oh ok 07:52:37 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 08:02:11 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-5-111.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:04:43 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.151] has joined #lisp 08:04:47 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-116-122.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:10:02 moah [~gnu@dslb-084-061-242-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:14:48 -!- Pepe__ [~ppjet@ALille-256-1-33-235.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:17:14 timor [~timor@port-92-195-125-239.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:18:46 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-5-111.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:19:50 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:55 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:19:58 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 08:24:53 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-99-56.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 08:28:10 fmu_ [89@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzwgpsdrexivpnoy] has joined #lisp 08:30:09 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-24-23-182-253.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 08:31:51 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:46 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-56-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:33:38 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-125-239.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:36:38 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-153-145.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:44:56 pierrep [~ppasteau@bas1-montreal43-2925257677.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 08:46:57 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 08:47:14 timor [~timor@port-92-195-37-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:48:13 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-56-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:51:15 tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:58:36 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 09:03:57 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-78-73.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 09:05:38 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-37-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:06:35 Blkt [~user@93-33-140-101.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:07:55 -!- naryl [~naryl@213.170.70.141] has left #lisp 09:11:19 -!- redline6561 [~redline@216-177-174-170.block0.gvtc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:11:47 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 09:11:53 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.162.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:13:09 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.65.168.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 09:14:26 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 09:16:14 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 09:16:14 -!- froydnj [~froydnj@gateway.codesourcery.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:19:02 timor [~timor@port-92-195-100-7.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 09:19:50 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-78-73.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:19:58 fatblueduck [~user@pool-71-104-155-233.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:21:21 Pepe__ [~ppjet@ALille-256-1-33-235.w90-18.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:26:51 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 09:35:35 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-226-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 09:37:10 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-100-7.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:41:17 rpx__ [~rpx@9-36.4-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 09:41:47 Hi, what is the standard way to turn a number (say 2) into a double-float (2.0000000000...) 09:41:48 Kitty_Away [myBirthDay@188.247.74.179] has joined #lisp 09:42:32 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 09:42:36 rpx__: coerce? 09:43:49 p_l|uni: thanks. Well my real problem is to insert numbers (2) into an array that is defined to be double-float 09:43:54 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756862.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:44:34 clhs float 09:44:35 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_float.htm 09:45:41 thanks 09:47:25 you can do (coerce number (array-element-type array)) 09:47:33 By the way, How should I think about this (coerce 10.01 'double-float) --> 10.010000228881836d0 // is there a way to get highter precision, like 10.01000000000000000000 09:47:53 rpx__: rationals 09:48:19 stassats, so the code becomes less specific, thanks :) 09:48:21 rpx__: When you type 10.01, the precision is already low. 09:48:39 rpx__: Because that is read using the default floating-point precision. 09:49:04 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@45.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 09:49:05 rpx__: You would be better off saying 10.01d0 09:49:29 timor [~timor@port-92-195-40-133.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 09:49:30 beach: My problem is that I read 10.01 from a text file, and I would like for it to mean 10.010000000000000000 09:49:53 beach: which is not so smart to begin with but anyway 09:50:10 (thanks everyone for all the help by the way) 09:50:29 rpx__: Change the default floating-point format before reading it. 09:50:30 Now I now for what to search for online 09:50:31 then you don't know what floating point is! 09:50:46 josemanuel [~josemanue@45.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 09:50:57 rpx__: http://docs.sun.com/source/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html 09:51:22 stassats: thanks 09:51:30 clhs *read-default-float-format* 09:51:30 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_rd_def.htm 09:51:53 beach: thanks 09:52:02 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-226-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:52:22 but setting *read-default-float-format* to double-float wouldn't change anything 09:52:30 the floating point will remain floating 09:52:42 Indeed, I think rpx__ is in for a few surprises. 09:53:09 beach: haha, me too -- but we all have to learn somewhere (most likely with our heads crashing into walls) 09:53:45 Well my basic problem is that I am doing some calculations, and I need double-float because there are logs and stuff,, but when I input the data -- they people have been sloppy 09:55:41 Alright, thanks for all the help, I will print the ncg_goldberg paper and try to become a better computer scientist :) 09:56:56 -!- rpx__ [~rpx@9-36.4-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:01 sabalaba [~sabalaba@114.249.139.41] has joined #lisp 09:59:14 rpg: you can also use string operations to split the values and generate ratios 09:59:18 *rpx__ 09:59:23 ah, he left 09:59:51 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@45.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 10:00:05 -!- Kitty_Away [myBirthDay@188.247.74.179] has quit [Quit: /Server irc.NiceChat.org] 10:03:03 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:03:33 -!- billitch [~billitch@men75-12-88-183-197-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:03:40 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:03:56 jmbr [~jmbr@229.33.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 10:04:56 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-78-249.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:06:48 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-40-133.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07:47 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@114.249.139.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:09:19 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 10:10:14 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:10:22 echo-area [~echo-area@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 10:14:43 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 10:18:20 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:19:18 timor [~timor@port-92-195-66-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:19:34 varjag_ [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 10:21:34 timor2 [~timor@port-92-195-110-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:21:38 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-78-249.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:22:18 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:24:02 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-66-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:24:39 how do I collect multiple values in a loop form? 10:25:03 something like: (loop for i from 1 to 10 collecting (random 10) and (random 1.0)) 10:27:52 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:28:56 ASau [~user@ppp91-77-59-67.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 10:29:27 that's not exactly multiple values, but perhaps (loop repeat 10 collect `(,(random 10) ,(random 1.0))) ? There is also a function to convert a list to multiple values which could surround the loop 10:29:53 I think I'll do that way, thanks 10:29:58 Blkt: use into 10:30:09 beach: ? 10:30:26 ah I see 10:30:28 nice! 10:31:10 it is perfect that way 10:31:11 thanks 10:31:14 no problem 10:31:37 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:33:53 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-24-53.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:27 timor [~timor@port-92-195-66-194.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:39:38 -!- timor2 [~timor@port-92-195-110-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:43:48 -!- johanbev [~johanbev@44.80-203-27.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:44:46 johanbev [~johanbev@44.80-203-27.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 10:44:46 atomx` [~user@92.80.115.186] has joined #lisp 10:45:11 Athas` [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 10:45:27 dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 10:46:16 Yuuhi [benni@p5483AE36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:46:19 morphling_ [~stefan@gssn-5f756862.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:46:36 stis_ [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 10:47:03 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-084-056-156-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:47:04 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:47:04 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:47:04 -!- atomx [~user@92.80.115.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:48:07 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-084-056-156-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:50:04 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756862.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:53:10 -!- varjag_ is now known as varjag 10:55:14 -!- Athas` [~athas@82.211.209.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:49 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-46-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:57:37 abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 10:57:40 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-66-194.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:57:43 -!- jsoft [~jsoft@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58:12 jsoft [~jsoft@60.234.231.122] has joined #lisp 11:10:06 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 11:10:21 timor [~timor@port-92-195-28-253.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:11:29 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-46-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:12:35 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:15:07 -!- logia_th [~nmo@83.35.117.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:39 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-99-56.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:20:30 -!- Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:27:41 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-28-253.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:38:32 siccegge [~siccegge@faui49j.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #lisp 11:39:11 I'm having trouble connecting to my postgresql databse using postmodern. can it be it doesn't work over ipv6? 11:39:58 siccegge: seems possible. 11:40:19 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.65.168.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 11:41:20 fe[nl]ix [~lacedaemo@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 11:42:18 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-64-102.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:19 siccegge: if it uses usocket (and it probably does) then it doesn't do IPv6 11:42:40 timor [~timor@port-92-195-48-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:42:49 p_l|uni: it doesn't. 11:42:56 hm is there any way around? the psql server isn't accesible via v4 11:43:02 Xach: does it do FFI? 11:43:36 p_l|uni: no. 11:44:20 hmm... porting it to iolib might a good idea, anyway. 11:44:20 -!- ASau [~user@ppp91-77-59-67.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:48 That seems like a good way to make it work on fewer systems than it does now. 11:45:08 ASau [~user@ppp91-77-59-67.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:45:12 Xach: as *optional dependency* 11:45:29 i.e. "if iolib is available, use it" 11:45:44 How does that work, exactly? 11:46:21 Xach: depends if System Connections got to become part of ASDF2, I guess 11:46:52 the extension allowed one to check for availability of certain systems and load parts conditionally based on that 11:47:15 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:47:56 p_l|uni: please don't. a-s-c is totally broken 11:48:10 fe[nl]ix: ah 11:48:40 tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:48:45 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:49:22 still, porting various libs to be IPv6 capable would be useful 11:49:37 *p_l|uni* plans on building his backend infrastructure IPv6 only 11:49:45 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 11:50:41 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 11:53:20 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.65.168.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 11:54:06 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:44 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-116-81.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:01:57 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-48-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:05:40 -!- ASau [~user@ppp91-77-59-67.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:06:14 Xach: your issue is fixed. Does your code work now? 12:06:14 splittist [~John@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 12:06:17 morning 12:06:27 hi splittist 12:06:50 Hey fe[nl]ix 12:07:05 ehu: Hmm, I have only ever downloaded the releases. How can I test? 12:08:43 check out abcl's trunk? 'svn co svn://common-lisp.net/project/armedbear/svn/trunk/abcl' 12:11:21 sellout [~greg@64.134.67.12] has joined #lisp 12:12:35 -!- ddevaal [~ddevaal@bogomips.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:13:20 Xach: do you download binaries or sources? 12:13:44 binaries 12:14:32 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:14:38 oh. ok. I'll put up binaries on cl.net later today then. 12:14:46 because the svn checkout only gets you sources 12:16:42 how can i build 'em? 12:16:45 timor [~timor@port-92-195-206-58.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:17:47 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-116-81.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:19:12 Xach: in one of two ways: using a host lisp and use the build-abcl.lisp file in the tree root 12:19:18 or use the "Ant" route. 12:19:39 the ant route requires the java make program "Ant" 12:19:47 but it's the best 12:19:51 best-tested option 12:19:54 I think I have Ant 12:21:14 ddevaal [~ddevaal@bogomips.nl] has joined #lisp 12:23:19 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-144-216.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:43 <_8david> I'm impressed with all the testing work you're doing. Will quicklisp provide a huge matrix of systems and implementations, saying which impl can compile which system? 12:28:52 _8david: i'd like to. 12:29:35 colored like the movie charts! well, maybe not. 12:29:36 <_8david> Would be cool place to watch, say, acl and abcl slowly catch up over the years... 12:30:06 <_8david> oops, did I type acl there? I meant ecl. 12:30:58 hee hee 12:31:15 can't wait for acl to be able to use cxml :( 12:31:23 something to do with readtables that i don't understand yet 12:31:26 -!- ddevaal [~ddevaal@bogomips.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:31:34 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-212-167.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:31:57 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 12:32:05 <_8david> /me needs to switch cxml over to named-readtables 12:32:05 <_8david> 12:33:40 I wonder if it's an Allegro non-standardism or if every other implementation implements the undefined behavior the same way. 12:33:43 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-206-58.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:33:51 but I haven't had time to investigate. 12:34:06 <_8david> hmm, you've actually got a problem with allegro and cxml? 12:34:14 yes, I really do. 12:34:34 <_8david> curious, since I'm using that combination daily. Which version of allegro? 12:34:46 Actually, maybe it's not CXML - it might be Closure HTML. 12:35:13 _8david: 64-bit 8.2 on linux 12:36:31 <_8david> okay, I'm not actively using chtml on Allegro. I've just tried, and it loads fine on x86 8.1 though. 12:37:14 Xach: abcl doesn't run cxml? 12:37:25 Xach: anything in particular that I should be looking at? 12:37:25 ehu: I haven't tried. 12:37:32 logia_th [~nmo@83.35.117.177] has joined #lisp 12:37:40 oh. ok. I thought you were saying it doesn't 12:38:00 ehu: I guess I should write Allegro CL instead of acl 12:38:14 _8david: I'll get you the exact error I'm seeing. 12:38:58 hehe! yea, seems my eyes are not tuned for reading acl 12:40:40 <_8david> is stuff like asdf and hunchentoot readily runnable on abcl these days? 12:41:24 _8david: we deliver asdf2 with abcl. 12:41:49 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:42:21 hunchentoot I don't know; there's still some issue with Gray stream support and the pretty printer. Quite possibly Hunchentoot does not trigger the issue. 12:42:40 the remaining problem would probably be cl+ssl 12:42:55 ddevaal [~ddevaal@bogomips.nl] has joined #lisp 12:43:13 <_8david> gray streams sounds like a area that can be fixed easily 12:43:15 <_8david> *shrug* cl+ssl needs a rewrite anyway 12:44:00 <_8david> I'm more thinking fundamental issues, like holes in CLOS support. How good is ABCL's MOP, assuming it has one? 12:45:17 abcl doesn't have a strong mop yet. however, straight CLHS support for METACLASS (has been added) and DEFINE-METHOD-COMBINATION (will be added soon) is improving 12:45:53 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:06 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 12:47:35 timor [~timor@port-92-195-192-37.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:48:53 hunchentoot does not build on abcl because of a bordeaux-threads error: The symbol "MAKE-THREAD" was not found in package EXT. 12:49:14 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-212-167.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:49:23 *Xach* eyes sellout, ehu 12:50:28 ah. 12:50:40 yea. that symbol moved (about a year ago!) 12:50:45 to THREADS 12:51:05 Oh, heh  I thought I was watching #lisp, but it was #quicklisp  12:51:30 Xach: ok, I'll make a new release :) 12:51:37 woo 12:52:51 Testing can be so much fun! 12:53:34 Xach: Especially when you're doing every system on every platform. 12:54:28 Tordek [tordek@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-tlunbhjukiuiwwir] has joined #lisp 12:54:29 I did your lovely survey Xach 12:54:32 and gave you a free hug 12:54:42 thanks! 12:55:04 ok, changing all ext: to threads: has made things progress 12:55:09 *Xach* watches flexi-streams compile 12:55:34 now it fails in CFFI 12:55:35 *Xach* digs 12:55:46 Class not found: com.sun.jna.Native 12:55:54 Guthur [~Guthur@host86-150-203-53.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 12:56:06 *Xach* doesn't know what that means 12:56:10 Xach: IMO, too many of your survey questions use radio buttons instead of checkboxes. 12:56:18 true that 12:56:36 lots of questions where I wanted to answers multiple choices, but could not 12:57:13 "How old are you" 12:57:14 ? 12:57:40 Xach: Exactly! 12:58:08 ok, i converted the two where checkboxes are sensible to checkboxes 12:58:55 Xach: cffi depends on the JNA support libraries. Not sure if they are installed by default. Which JVM do you use? 12:58:59 sun? 12:59:33 Is there a CL package for communicating using JMS? 12:59:43 ehu: whatever comes with snow leopard. i think that's sun's. 13:00:00 Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM 13:01:06 that's sun. 13:01:32 I'm not sure which version introduced JNA and if it's there by default. 13:01:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-134-29-75.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 13:02:46 AFAIK, JNA isn't bundled with any JVM 13:02:47 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-99-56.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:03:14 ah. that would explain the issue. 13:04:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@adsl-89-134-29-75.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 13:07:15 What can I do, if anything? 13:08:22 -!- pierrep [~ppasteau@bas1-montreal43-2925257677.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:08:29 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:08:34 install JNA and load it when starting abcl 13:08:47 Xach: using Windows or a Linux distro? 13:08:47 hm the survey's live now? can't see a link 13:08:53 if the latter, which one? 13:08:56 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-192-37.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:08:59 ehu: snow leopard 13:09:06 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-170-139.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:09:13 heh. neither. ok. 13:09:15 siccegge: http://quicklisp.org/survey/ 13:09:42 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 13:09:48 Xach: get it from darwinports? 13:09:49 http://jna.darwinports.com/ 13:10:02 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-170-139.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:10:11 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:11:12 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 13:12:27 peterbb [~peterbb@s22-00036.dsl.no.powertech.net] has joined #lisp 13:18:12 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 13:18:24 hello 13:19:05 tcr: hi. 13:19:15 tcr: I finally added the Lisp/Java predicate 13:19:18 -!- yan_ [~asym@srtd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:19:27 tcr: it's on trunk: COMPILED-LISP-FUNCTION-P 13:20:08 yan_ [~asym@srtd.org] has joined #lisp 13:21:32 ehu: It's something easyE might be interested in to make M-. be able to point into java source 13:22:41 right. He's busy with other stuff for the next month(s), but I just wanted to tell you: you filed the ticket. 13:22:57 timor [~timor@port-92-195-15-75.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 13:23:41 back later 13:24:43 -!- ij [sie@unaffiliated/sierinjs] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25:58 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:36 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-70-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 13:27:48 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:47 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-15-75.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:31:24 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 13:32:40 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.60.137] has joined #lisp 13:36:54 timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.230.236] has joined #lisp 13:37:27 -!- yan_ [~asym@srtd.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:37:52 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 13:37:53 Xach: it seems like your survey site do not work in opera. 13:38:38 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:41:39 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:41:42 yan_ [~asym@srtd.org] has joined #lisp 13:41:47 -!- sellout [~greg@64.134.67.12] has quit [Quit: sellout] 13:46:40 timor [~timor@port-92-195-64-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 13:47:58 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-70-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:50:24 Krystof [~csr21@nat76.mia.three.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:51:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:39 -!- fe[nl]ix changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: Bordeaux-Threads 0.8.0, ABCL 0.22.0, SBCL 1.0.42, CFFI 0.10.6 13:58:09 sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:37 Xach: there you are 13:59:41 sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.162.242] has joined #lisp 14:00:13 Hello 14:00:59 what did I miss? 14:01:29 change of topic 14:01:45 woo 14:03:44 hi fe[nl]ix 14:03:52 hi Blkt 14:04:28 Xach: hypno mentioned that the survey doesn't work in opera; not sure if you caught that. 14:07:09 I saw that. I'm not sure what to do to fix it. 14:10:22 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-20-56-192.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:20 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.33.72] has joined #lisp 14:12:31 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:13:24 N-14 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:15:18 -!- _8david [~user@port-92-195-6-230.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:05 I just tried the survey with opera, and it worked 14:16:20 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-64-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:19:15 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 14:23:48 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:24:21 hmm 14:24:55 Now try it with closure? 14:27:41 -!- Krystof [~csr21@nat76.mia.three.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30:04 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:05 timor [~timor@port-92-195-71-247.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 14:33:56 redline6561 [~redline@216-177-174-170.block0.gvtc.com] has joined #lisp 14:34:37 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:37:00 ij [sie@unaffiliated/sierinjs] has joined #lisp 14:37:40 LiamH [~nobody@pool-141-156-214-211.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:49 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-71-247.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:54 timor [~timor@port-92-195-35-222.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 14:40:46 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-158.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:46:31 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #lisp 14:47:29 -!- Madsy [~madman@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [] 14:51:46 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:53:28 kushal [~kdas@114.143.162.27] has joined #lisp 14:53:28 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.162.27] has quit [Changing host] 14:53:28 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:54:59 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:57:10 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-234-1-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:59 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-241-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 14:59:40 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.162.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00:51 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-35-222.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:00:52 -!- rtoym changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: Bordeaux-Threads 0.8.0, CMUCL 20b, ABCL 0.22.0, SBCL 1.0.42, CFFI 0.10.6 15:00:56 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:02:27 dreish [~dreish@2002:cf8a:2fad:0:21f:5bff:fe35:ae0d] has joined #lisp 15:02:41 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 15:05:35 -!- morphling_ [~stefan@gssn-5f756862.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-116-228.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:05:48 hi 15:05:54 hello ehu 15:06:50 lichtblau [~user@port-92-195-228-42.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 15:07:55 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:08:00 rfg [~rfg@81.102.104.20] has joined #lisp 15:09:55 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:10:48 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.33.72] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:22 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 15:14:34 beach: when do you leave for your 1/2 year in Vietnam? 15:14:56 splittist: mid december 15:16:08 What will be of your French students? Won't they lose all their lisp? 15:16:33 pjb: No, there are still people teaching Lisp here. 15:16:42 sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has joined #lisp 15:16:50 Good! :-) 15:17:03 pjb: Irène has been in charge of the two Lisp-based courses for many years already. 15:21:13 ... Aren't we on SBCL 1.0.43 already? 15:21:44 some are 15:21:56 i am just not able to build the contrib things, neither in sbcl nor in cmucl... 15:23:03 timor [~timor@port-92-195-97-120.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 15:23:53 nyef: I have to use 1.0.11 in some places, you know... 15:24:09 I was more thinking the channel topic. 15:24:27 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-241-215.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:25:03 heh 15:25:15 though I wonder why Google AI Challenge uses SBCL 1.0.11 15:25:31 Pavitra [~pavitra@76-76-236-67.lisco.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:58 Which OS distro are they using, and what's the latest available in the stable package manager? 15:26:26 no idea 15:26:52 Or run that backwards, to find which OS distro they're probably using. 15:26:54 maybe Debian 4.0 or what? 15:27:25 cause Debian 5.0 has 1.0.18 15:29:01 -!- echo-area [~echo-area@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:43 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30:56 any clozure people here? 15:32:40 nyef: btw, what do you think about adding Linux KSM support to SBCL? I believe even I might manage to finish that patch, as it's just a series of syscalls made against mmap() mappings 15:32:58 why do the contrib stuffs fail their self-tests all ? 15:32:58 (or was it against each individual page? I don't remember exactly) 15:33:05 each and everytime... 15:33:24 wbooze: ASDF interference, maybe? 15:33:31 hmmmm 15:33:45 p_l|uni: I have no thoughts either way, as I'm unfamiliar with KSM. 15:34:45 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 15:34:48 -!- stassats changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL 1.0.43, Bordeaux-Threads 0.8.0, CMUCL 20b, ABCL 0.22.0 15:34:50 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082A652.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:09 nyef: it would allow continuous merging of pages used by SBCL, so that every copy of SBCL running on the server would, where applicable, share data. 15:35:38 Wouldn't they already do that for pages mapped from the core file? 15:36:00 nyef: the difference is that code loaded from fasls as well as other data can still get merged 15:36:29 And, as soon as the pages are written to, it seems rather unlikely that two pages would end up with the exact same data... 15:36:34 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082B502.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:37:18 nyef: true, however, it checks for such possibility. I'm personally interested in it because a project of mine would end up starting up a lot of instances 15:38:33 Worth a shot, I guess. 15:38:49 Though it'd depend on the overhead of the checking to see if the pages match... 15:40:52 nyef: well, they do it for big virtualization systems, so it might not be that bad 15:43:01 the non-interning reader is going in first, though :3 15:43:36 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 15:44:02 Mmm. I have a half-formed plan to hack-and-slash my way through the compiler, introducing a ton of new packages. 15:44:05 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-49-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 15:45:08 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-97-120.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:45:30 me345 [~me345@75.15.176.124] has joined #lisp 15:45:53 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46:25 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 15:47:24 ... (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :execute) ...)? WTF? 15:47:38 And then containing an EVAL, as well? 15:47:59 nyef: I simply put calls to intern into a conditional 15:49:18 nyef: don't evaluate when loading the fasl? that would seem to fail when you only load the fasl 15:49:30 stassats: We never only load the fasl. 15:49:45 Okay, scratch that, we -do- only load the fasl at one point. 15:50:12 But that's after all the macros and whatnot defined under the eval-when have already been used. 15:50:36 So, on one level, it doesn't matter. 15:50:40 On another level, WTF? 15:51:40 i've seen a couple of such in SBCL for non-reusable macros, and they don't make runtime hacking easier 15:51:59 Oh? Where-else? 15:52:13 Or should I just grep for eval-when? 15:52:20 can't say offhand 15:52:31 Fair enough. 15:55:22 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-165-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:57:46 hmm... let's see what I could be doing... writing my simple-lisp? 15:57:50 fihi09 [~user@pool-96-224-39-26.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:10 btw, is there a canonical git mirror of SBCL sources? 15:58:38 antifuchs's? 15:59:14 Yeah, the boinkor.net mirror. 16:00:03 Okay, it's in an eval-when for :compile-toplevel and :execute. It's at toplevel, so the latter rule doesn't fire, leaving :compile-toplevel. It thus does not appear in the FASL, and is thus evaluated immediately. 16:01:43 The only possible explanation for the EVAL is if the things earlier in the form would affect the compilation of things later in the form. 16:02:31 No, would affect the -generation- of things later in the form. 16:02:42 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-165-21.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:50 Ugh. 16:03:59 the build-utils step for my target-4 of cmucl fails, with type-error lisp::package-or-lose "XT" is not of type package 16:04:05 -!- stis_ [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:16 p_l|uni: git.boinkor.net has it 16:06:54 timor [~timor@port-92-195-109-89.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 16:07:40 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:07:55 brand_lee_jones [~brand_lee@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 16:08:18 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-49-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:26 can i skip motif somehow ? 16:08:53 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 16:10:17 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:30 rme [~rme@pool-70-105-87-127.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:57 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 16:11:34 antifuchs: I started with repo.or.cz for now 16:11:48 though proxy is very happily making things worse 16:11:54 p_l|uni: this pulls from mine; it lags behind a bit. 16:12:16 hmm, I might try and figure out how to present the smart http interface 16:12:21 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@66.220.12.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:12:31 (github offers that, and it works very well with firewalls) 16:12:53 wbooze: Yeah, that "XT" thing is a long standing bug. I just ignore it and do build.sh -12. This skips builds 1 and 2, redoes build 3, and rebuilds the utils. 16:13:34 antifuchs: github's http pulling is the same as from repo.or.cz, the issue is that the firewall at uni is crazily misconfigured 16:13:43 and why is target-3 building the contribs, but not target-4 or target-2 16:13:49 ah ok 16:13:50 p_l|uni: are you using a git 1.7 release? 16:14:27 wbooze: Because I don't want to waste time on those builds. 16:14:32 wait target-2 seems to build the utils too...hmmm i'll see if it completes 16:14:34 yeah, 1.7.3 16:14:42 hm. 16:14:44 jep done 16:14:51 any CONNECT proxy? 16:15:00 now downloading 23MB of data through the proxy... so I'd say 30 minutes ETA 16:15:01 only target and target-4 really don't build the utils 16:15:10 wbooze: It's not supposed to built utils. 16:15:11 so i'll skip 1 first 16:15:17 ah ok 16:15:41 *p_l|uni* sits on ~40Mb/s network (last mile is wifi, internet is through two 1Gbit links) 16:16:29 wbooze: Something is wrong if builds 1 and 2 built motif. The call to build-utils.sh only happens on the third build (to target-4). 16:17:57 oww, i built it by hand with src/tools/build-utils.sh target-2 3 etc... 16:18:23 at least i don't get any error i mean, i don't know if those steps built motif really 16:19:04 If you're not using build.sh, you are supposed to know what you're doing. :-) 16:19:23 gonzojive [~red@c-24-23-182-253.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:30 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:04 ... and the only reason why things would be done this way -at all- is to support some odd notion of fasl compatibility when redefining dependencies... But all of the uses in a given build are in -one file-. 16:23:19 I didn't write the scripts, and I'm not smart enough to fix the compilation issues. 16:26:51 roundclk [~admin@148.Red-79-148-241.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:26 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:29:21 sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.162.242] has joined #lisp 16:29:39 hi. I'm a newbie setting up emacs+slime; when I call slime up with M-x slime I see the *inferior-lisp* buffer but not the *slime-repl*. cliki.net says a workaround but it doesn't work for me 16:30:38 I can stil load source through (load "xxx") but I'd like to use the shiny keybindings 16:30:49 I think you need to setup slime-repl. 16:31:18 how do I do that? 16:32:38 I do (slime-setup '(slime-fancy )). I think you just need (slime-setup (slime-repl)). 16:32:51 Er, '(slime-repl) 16:32:51 roundclk: (slime-setup '(slime-fancy)) is what many people use in their ~/.emacs 16:32:59 timack [~tim@hlfx53-1-154.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 16:33:53 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.162.242] has quit [Client Quit] 16:34:31 allright! it worked, thanks guys :) 16:34:37 woo 16:39:05 btw this is not on cliki.net, or should I look somewhere else for current slime info? 16:39:15 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 16:40:53 -!- rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:41:35 slime manual, slime sources 16:41:44 for the former: M-x slime-info 16:42:40 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 16:44:22 thanks 16:45:02 -!- anonymouse89 [~anonymous@c-24-34-195-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:46:56 -!- brand_lee_jones [~brand_lee@84.114.246.246] has quit [Quit: brand_lee_jones] 16:47:43 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-119-66.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 16:48:48 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-109-89.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49:20 pierrep [~ppasteau@bas1-montreal43-2925257677.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 16:52:05 ok at least asdf and defsystem are built, and they work from target-4 too with (require 'asdf) etc.. 16:56:15 -!- peterbb [~peterbb@s22-00036.dsl.no.powertech.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:56:20 urandom__ [~user@p548A2FCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:02 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756862.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:16 wbooze: What exactly are you trying to do? Just compile cmucl in random ways? 17:04:32 wvdschel [~wim@78-20-14-180.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 17:05:44 phrixos [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 17:05:55 -!- redline6561 [~redline@216-177-174-170.block0.gvtc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08:28 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:09:20 loxs [~loxs@85-130-37-174.2073285806.ddns.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:39 redline6561 [~redline@216-177-174-170.block0.gvtc.com] has joined #lisp 17:13:14 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo_] 17:13:54 wol [~user@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 17:15:35 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 17:19:19 c|mell [~cmell@58.64.209.88.dynamic.monaco.mc] has joined #lisp 17:22:02 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-24-23-182-253.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 17:26:20 crod [~cmell@182.76.209.88.dynamic.monaco.mc] has joined #lisp 17:27:38 -!- c|mell [~cmell@58.64.209.88.dynamic.monaco.mc] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:28:03 -!- roundclk [~admin@148.Red-79-148-241.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 17:29:02 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:30:50 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-119-66.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:32:57 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-230-177.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:33:49 anyone have any experience with cl-dot? 17:38:18 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45:33 timor [~timor@port-92-195-21-168.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 17:46:10 tsuru [~charlie@c-174-50-217-160.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:13 kushal [~kdas@114.143.162.27] has joined #lisp 17:47:13 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.162.27] has quit [Changing host] 17:47:13 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:51:11 -!- loxs [~loxs@85-130-37-174.2073285806.ddns.cablebg.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:52:14 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-62-106.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:52:20 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-62-106.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:52:26 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-62-106.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:52:46 abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:37 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:54:41 naryl [~naryl@213.170.70.141] has joined #lisp 17:55:40 abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:11 bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 17:56:43 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:48 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:56 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-62-106.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:57:02 josemanuel [~josemanue@243.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:58:42 -!- Tasunteld [~jsz@rps312.ovh.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:00:18 Tasunteld [~jsz@rps312.ovh.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:00 -!- salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: salva] 18:08:43 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:10:08 timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-16-3.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 18:11:04 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-21-168.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:12:17 anonymouse89 [~anonymous@c-24-34-195-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:09 *stassats* learned that (set'n 10) is shorter than (setq n 10) 18:14:18 while trying to write the shortest possible code 18:17:47 how to loop through the values of a vector ? 18:18:02 ACROSS 18:18:45 ok 18:19:55 kushal: There's also a library called sequence-iterators to build functions like FIND etc. that work on any sequence 18:20:07 In case you're actually looking for that 18:20:30 tcr, ok, thanks, this is my third day with lisp , so still kind of confused :) 18:21:07 Alright, confusion will be your daily bread for the next three years :-) 18:21:11 kushal: don't worry. Soon all other languages will all this overcomplicated syntax will be confusing ;) 18:21:26 paraphrasing one man: "confusion never ends, you just get better" 18:21:49 :) 18:24:54 except emacs any other other good editor for lisp ? 18:25:36 kushal: not really, there are few others that got adapted and some IDEs have their own editors that supposedly work quite well... but why leave emacs? ;D 18:26:06 p_l|uni, because I use vim :p 18:26:40 some people like eclipse plugin... forgot the name. I edit in vim(+limp), debug in emacs(+slime). 18:26:45 i wonder why my cmucl's unicode show's unicode version 1.8 while the tar file version shows unicode version 1.8.4.1 or so... 18:27:04 so my libraries for unicode are too old i think.... 18:27:09 kushal: Ah, then you at least have some noble intentions. There are some swank-using projects that integrate swank into ViM. Nekthuth (sp?) and Limp are the ones I know... 18:27:13 I wrote this simple loop , http://fpaste.org/sPvC/ now when I find x = 3 , I want to print as I am doing now and also stop the iteration 18:27:30 p_l|uni, naryl ok, checking 18:27:46 l is a vector in that example 18:27:46 p_l|uni: they don't integrate slime. They provide ways to send code to lisp system. 18:28:02 no sldb 18:28:17 naryl: I mentioned swank, and at least nekthuth afaik used swank 18:29:01 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29:42 nekthuth docs suggest that they have their own lisp lib. limp doesn't have a lisp-side. 18:30:19 but nekthuth looks interesting. Thanks, p_l|uni :) 18:31:05 rfg_ [~rfg@client-86-25-217-99.glw-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:34 ah 18:31:56 naryl: Nekthuth is also one of those things I keep updating myself because I believe I'm the only person who uses it :P 18:32:20 I still use it daily, and it's definitely good for me, but the new features like the object inspection system are nowhere near polished :P 18:32:37 So I keep writing other lisp code that I actually need to get written and nekthuth rots little by little :P 18:33:25 -!- rfg [~rfg@81.102.104.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:33:25 -!- rfg_ is now known as rfg 18:37:48 p_l|uni, http://fpaste.org/zkti/ can you please tell me how to get out of that iteration in the if section ? 18:37:53 any cl-yacc users here 18:37:54 ? 18:38:43 I fixed an issue with it (in ABCL) yesterday; could you test the combination please? 18:39:37 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:17 kushal: you're looking this probably: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/hyperspec/HyperSpec/Body/locmac_loop-finish.html 18:40:31 naryl, thanks, checking 18:41:45 abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:52 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:48 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:11 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-084-056-156-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:54:31 timor [~timor@port-92-195-162-39.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 18:56:40 -!- timor1 [~timor@port-92-195-16-3.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:58:06 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-99-56.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:59:35 emacs-dwim [~user@cpe-74-79-98-80.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:59:48 is there an existing emacs interface to clbuild? 19:00:35 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:02:21 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 19:04:37 drdo [~user@98.192.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 19:09:20 -!- me345 [~me345@75.15.176.124] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:59 -!- foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:11:50 -!- bfein [~morik@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:15:14 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 19:21:56 peterbb [~peterbb@77.40.134.36] has joined #lisp 19:22:08 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:04 Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:23:42 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:24:48 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-56-91.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 19:30:58 my calendar project is coming along very nicely :) 19:31:21 OliverUv: what does that project do? 19:31:49 visualizing a calendar backend system that has previously only had text output using CLIM (common lisp interface manager) 19:32:02 OliverUv: I hope it's less cringe-inducing than what I had to deal with lately :P 19:32:15 the calendar backend is a system used by students for learning about abstraction, so it has a lot of quirks 19:32:21 p_l|uni: probably not 19:32:26 this is incredibly cringe inducing 19:32:43 the entire project has basically been one very long wrestling match between me and the CLIM specification 19:33:01 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-162-39.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:07 the hoops i have to jump through just to do something as simple as print a couple of rows of text within a square of colour 19:33:10 it's ridiculous 19:33:27 like 19:33:41 OliverUv: I bet it's not as ridiculous as trying to make a calendar out of CMIS timetabling data 19:33:54 (CMIS being whatever-the-fuck powers my university master timetable viewer) 19:34:06 p_l|uni: well, this system has its own type system 19:34:19 so I started out writing a mapping to convert that into CLOS objects 19:34:41 that's like 600 lines of codd 19:34:45 in lisp! 19:34:49 wow, a type system. 19:35:14 yeah well it is the first programming course for the comp-sci students 19:35:18 *p_l|uni* had to hand-rewrite the data because it didn't follow anything sensible and web scraping was out due to lack of Java support ;> 19:35:27 haha 19:35:29 ew 19:35:34 LUXURY! 19:35:47 but if you were using Java then at least you had some almost-decent graphics system 19:35:55 I mean, Java's Swing is heaven compared to CLIM 19:35:55 OliverUv: nope 19:35:58 heaven 19:36:00 HEAVEN 19:36:06 it was using badly-written HTML 19:36:14 and I'm not sure about Swing... 19:36:33 OliverUv: What is your beef with CLIM? Never used swing.. but I have tried gtk and qt. and those were horrid compared to clim :) 19:36:34 oh, I thought you had to parse badly written HTML and produce some kind of graphics using swing or whatever 19:37:02 schmrkc: the people who wrote CLIM seem to have no idea of the common use cases in interface design 19:37:07 man 19:37:21 OliverUv: No, the system required Java to get the badly written HTML outputted 19:37:23 the main way of abstraction you have for printing stuff is local coordinate systems 19:37:33 And no, I didn't have time to setup selenium 19:37:36 so you can draw to local coordinate systems fine 19:37:42 francogrex [~user@109.130.170.196] has joined #lisp 19:37:45 hm clim looks kinda nice 19:37:57 but when you want to specify where to print text, it ignores the local coordinate system and instead uses the sheet's basic coordinate system 19:38:12 so you have to sort of handle that by yourself along with the rest 19:38:21 formatting tables have the same problems 19:38:33 basically it is very very inconsistent in what respects local coordinate systems and what doesn't 19:39:03 but all code has some pattern/order.. due to being code 19:39:10 -!- emacs-dwim [~user@cpe-74-79-98-80.twcny.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 19:39:19 uh yes 19:39:20 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:22 from a library (rcl) lisp is accessing R.dll that in some instances gives as computational results x/0 (so division-by-zero). I want to put a handler for that but at the lowest level possible so that the call returns always some data and nil when div-by-zero; Is there a way to "trace" the func call to know where the handling should be inserted in the library code? 19:39:59 but yeah, there are no higher abstraction layers that let you do any layouting 19:40:07 you have to do that all by yourself using the basic drawing functions 19:40:33 francogrex: does it give out that result, or does it start an exception? 19:40:42 so for example if you have some dynamic content which you want to display on top of a coloured square, well... good luck with that 19:40:54 i heard antifuchs had managed to come up with some horrid macro that can sort of do it 19:41:20 so I have to specify the size of the squares and clip the dynamic content by myself 19:41:27 by measuring how large it would be if I printed it 19:41:29 reduce it 19:41:31 measure again 19:41:34 until it is small enough to fit 19:41:55 ah, no, my horrid code uses the output records that result from the layout computation 19:42:03 I am still impressed by how much can be done with very little code, since lisp is so incredibly dense 19:42:14 it's really not nice, but it seems to work for some cases 19:42:36 francogrex: if it gives out results, just check for NaNs, I guess 19:42:46 but yeah, I wouldn't recommend using CLIM 19:42:51 if you can avoid it 19:43:38 it seems to be for low level graphics.. 19:43:53 yep 19:44:10 but it claims to be for high level stuff, mostly 19:44:21 (eg it abstracts down to toolkit level for some thing) 19:44:39 CLIM is good in theory 19:44:44 -!- timepilot [~timepilot@66.71.230.236] has quit [Quit: timepilot] 19:45:32 yes, in theory 19:45:38 it kinda looks like a nice lispified X toolkit from here~ 19:45:43 like.. the specification is ok if you make a lot of reasonable assumptions 19:45:51 but no implementation is good 19:45:53 http://github.com/OliverUv/Almavis/network 19:45:57 the code i'm working on now 19:46:21 *stassats* transitioned from CLIM to Qt, not without pain as well 19:47:12 gonzojive [~red@c-24-23-182-253.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:38 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-202-208.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:48:26 timor [~timor@port-92-195-165-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:48:43 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-202-208.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:29 p_l|uni: well for example if (r%-parse-eval "x<- c(1,2,3,4,0)") and then (r "/" 2 (r-variable "x")) gives # in the debugger 19:50:14 but in R the expected result is this: 2.0000000 1.0000000 0.6666667 0.5000000 Inf 19:50:44 that's what I need to return something and the last value either nil or inf or whatever 19:51:08 -!- phrixos [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51:33 -!- wol [~user@67.174.222.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:20 hmm... I'd have to read the code, and I seriously don't have the energy to do that for free right now 19:53:24 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:54 (got stuck with unfinished payment from the client, and general moodiness) 19:54:11 yeah that's the question, does one need to read the code or can one trace and see at which point it is erring 19:54:18 -!- benny [~benny@i577A1ACD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:57:24 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:01:44 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:02:05 francogr` [~user@109.130.149.206] has joined #lisp 20:02:30 abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:47 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-165-61.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:10 troussan [~user@c-24-245-15-191.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:45 phrixos [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 20:05:23 OliverUv: I've not really encountered these clim problems. Maybe my apps have been spared from these issues. Or I didn't notice it because I don't know better :) 20:05:49 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.170.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:06:20 it is also possible that i missed something that could have made my life considerably easier 20:06:36 but i have been reading a lot in the clim standard 20:06:39 *specification 20:06:59 brand_lee_jones [~brand_lee@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 20:07:19 OliverUv: I can't seem to wrap my head around anything else so I dunno. 20:07:28 k 20:07:31 bbl meditate 20:08:22 happy sadhana 20:09:02 -!- francogr` is now known as francogrex 20:09:08 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:00 so weird... 20:10:19 my youtube-player get's timeouts so often lately... 20:10:56 LiamH: maybe your internet connection is broken. 20:11:37 eh 20:11:38 wrong tab 20:11:44 homie: maybe your internet connection is broken. 20:12:12 i don't think so, everything is working nicely, i don't get these timouts with any other apps 20:13:12 it's some firefox apps weirdness i think, it was not before..., the latest version of firefox works jsut well here, just some plugins are weird, like settings not stored across sessions etc... 20:15:10 :( 20:15:10 tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:16:54 eww, what a face schmrkc, what's up ?' 20:16:55 lol 20:17:09 disturbed ? 20:17:36 bfein [~morik@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 20:18:00 No I am saddend by your plugin issues. 20:18:05 oh 20:18:19 if i new what was changed.... 20:18:34 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-084-056-156-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:36 i only updated adobe flashplugin that's all' 20:18:37 *p_l|uni* otoh fights with moronity of Firefox's UX dept 20:18:49 it was listed as updatable 20:19:00 maybe i should revert that 20:19:05 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-217-149.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:31 foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 20:22:28 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:38 Is there a way to make a binary with clisp which doesn't link to ncurses and readline? 20:23:02 naryl: compile clisp without those first 20:23:34 however, since clisp already ended up swallowed by a GNU, you won't escape it :P 20:23:56 *rtoym* has clisp without ncurses and without readline. 20:24:24 btw, to any of the webdev guys here - any recommendation on JSON library? 20:25:39 isn't there an ffi to libjson? 20:25:41 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:26:27 I have yet to see a FFI-based implementation 20:27:01 Isn't the obvious thing going to be called "cl-json" or similar? 20:28:25 nyef: there's cl-json, yason and at least one more thing called, I think, rjson 20:28:37 ah, st-json 20:28:57 <_3b> also yason and jsown 20:29:18 So, the problem is more an embarrassment of riches? 20:29:20 <_3b> (oops, guess you already listed one of those) 20:31:43 any opinions on those? 20:31:48 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:31:49 as in, from practical use? 20:33:34 *_3b* vaguely remembers not liking any of them, but don't remember any details 20:33:58 heh 20:37:34 <_3b> probably my biggest objection is that they all have the same nickname though :p 20:39:10 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.149.206] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:55 hahahah 20:40:02 I hit that already with quicklisp :D 20:40:33 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 20:44:38 -!- crod [~cmell@182.76.209.88.dynamic.monaco.mc] has quit [Quit: x.org intel drivers are buggy as] 20:45:08 *Xach* needs to make list of what libraries ahve conflicting package names/nicknames 20:45:39 c|mell [~cmell@182.76.209.88.dynamic.monaco.mc] has joined #lisp 20:45:41 -!- p_l|uni [~pl@hgd210.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:50:04 -!- splittist [~John@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: 2kool4skool] 20:52:49 quicklisp could handle nickname collision similiar to alternatives work on Ubuntu (might be more generally available than just Ubuntu) 20:53:23 yeah, on Debian 20:53:41 An appropriate asdf method which uses rename-package to delete nicknames 20:53:59 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:31 -!- brand_lee_jones [~brand_lee@84.114.246.246] has left #lisp 20:57:05 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 20:59:11 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:35 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 21:00:58 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has left #lisp 21:01:20 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 21:02:39 -!- BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has quit [Client Quit] 21:03:03 cliftonk [~cliftonk@S010600123ff34d7d.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:05 BrandLeeJones [~BrandLeeJ@84.114.246.246] has joined #lisp 21:06:27 aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 21:07:01 -!- moah [~gnu@dslb-084-061-242-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08:23 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:45 sepp2k [~sexy@p548CE9E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:48 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:08:53 nullkuhl [~nullkuhl@196.221.230.20] has joined #lisp 21:08:59 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-170-139.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:09:17 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-247.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:09:19 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-247.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:09:37 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:09:50 what is the difference between the GNU CL compiler and the SBCL compiler ? 21:10:08 big 21:10:08 <_3b> which gnu cl compiler? 21:10:17 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 21:10:18 hi _3b 21:10:31 <_3b> gcl compiles to C then uses a compiler to generate machine cod3e 21:10:45 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:10:46 <_3b> gnu clisp compiles to bytecode, then runs that in a vm or a jit 21:10:55 aha but both are for the very same language and libraries, yeah ? 21:10:58 in any case, i doubt anyone would want to use GCL 21:11:00 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-247.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:11:01 <_3b> sbcl has its own native code compiler 21:11:12 <_3b> they are all common lisp, yes 21:11:15 -!- wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-247.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:11:16 *in their sane mind 21:11:26 <_3b> they each have their own extra libs bundled with them 21:11:29 emacs-dwim [~user@cpe-74-79-98-80.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:11:35 <_3b> but there are lots of portable libs that work on all 3 21:11:48 same goes for Allegro CL ? 21:11:49 is there a problem with git.b9.com ? 21:12:00 Is there such a thing as trivial-errors? 21:12:23 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 21:12:35 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-170-139.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:13:10 -!- cliftonk [~cliftonk@S010600123ff34d7d.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:13:16 <_3b> i think most here would say use sbcl or ccl unless you have specific reasons to prefer clisp, ecl, etc 21:13:30 cliftonk [~cliftonk@S010600123ff34d7d.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:31 most but not all 21:13:45 <_3b> right, some like clisp, some the commercial lisps, some abcl 21:14:19 clisp is gnu lisp compiler yeah ? 21:14:31 <_3b> clisp is /a/ gnu cl compiler, yes 21:14:46 <_3b> gcl is a different gnu cl compiler 21:15:14 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:15:14 <_3b> and if you accept a wider definition of 'lisp' than we use here, there are a number of other gnu 'lisp's like guile, emacs, etc 21:16:34 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 21:18:33 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:32 who's going to ILC? 21:20:34 homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-247.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:20:40 wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-247.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:22:02 btw, there's an ILC in two weeks 21:22:26 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:38 manic12: What?! Why didn't anyone mention that! 21:23:49 ignorance of th ALU is no excuse. 21:23:58 -!- peterbb [~peterbb@77.40.134.36] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:26:55 I'm trying to run some cl-zmq demo code, but getting a rather unhelpful invalid argument error on zmq:init 21:27:02 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-178-112.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:27:05 anyone familiar with the lib? 21:28:02 _3b: I want to use geometry shaders to render fonts 21:28:58 <_3b> possibly a reasonable thing to do 21:29:09 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:29:18 m4dnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 21:29:28 Guthur: I played with it a little. it works for me 21:29:34 uploaded two new paintings 21:29:38 http://picasaweb.google.com/eMbry00s/Konst?feat=directlink 21:29:40 abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:43 lisp + art = ?? 21:29:55 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:16 adeht, ok, this is a new CL setup so there maybe some other issue 21:30:18 cheers 21:30:24 lispart 21:30:40 spoken like lizard 21:30:47 :3ha 21:30:57 löl 21:30:58 Guthur: make sure you have the latest zmq and cl-zmq 21:31:52 Adamant, 21:31:54 oops 21:32:13 adeht, did you build zmq from source? 21:32:53 _3b: it could be (probably is) a lot of work to do that 21:33:08 <_3b> fonts with geometry shaders? possibly 21:33:16 yeah 21:33:22 <_3b> depends on what sort of other things it needs to interact with 21:33:24 I found some deb package and used that, I'd probably be better advised to build it 21:33:28 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:33:43 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@243.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 21:34:48 <_3b> also on range of font sizes/quality required at large sizes 21:35:12 I need a system that can create small binaries. If you run sbcl and save the image without evaluating anything it will be 30MB, ccl - 17MB. My limit is 3MB. ecl makes a few kB binaries and libecl.so is 1.8MB. 21:35:29 <_3b> clisp might be able to come close 21:35:39 why is your limit 3MB? 21:35:42 Guthur: yeah, I used the AUR package 21:35:49 <_3b> various executable compression apps might help too 21:36:05 yes, i'm debugging it in clisp now. 21:36:11 are you going back in time to infiltrate computers with Lisp? 21:36:13 upx breaks any lisp executable :) 21:36:33 <_3b> 'any'? i've heard of people compressing sbcl cores 21:36:43 ok, i'll google a bit more 21:37:01 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:37:27 beach: initial-nb-elements? yechh... 21:38:58 <_3b> don't think they quite get down to 3 mb though 21:42:19 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:56 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:01 Are there standard errors that can be used from your own code, such as division by zero error etc.? 21:48:39 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-140-101.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Error: do not makunbound t please] 21:48:54 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:50:24 -!- troussan [~user@c-24-245-15-191.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:06 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.196.151] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:02 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 21:53:09 -!- abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:03 <_3b> clhs division-by-zero 21:54:03 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/e_divisi.htm 21:54:14 -!- emacs-dwim [~user@cpe-74-79-98-80.twcny.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 21:54:42 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:49 -!- cliftonk [~cliftonk@S010600123ff34d7d.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:55 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-92-25.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:57:22 I've gotten smaller cores than that out of a hacked SBCL, but they were pretty useless. 22:02:40 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:51 -!- m4dnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:02 -!- sepp2k [~sexy@p548CE9E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: sepp2k] 22:06:04 m4dnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 22:06:59 benny [~benny@i577A14D4.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 22:07:47 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:08:02 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:14:18 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-084-056-156-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 22:15:18 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15:40 -!- aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:16:18 -!- Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Planned down time ^^] 22:17:07 -!- Guthur [~Guthur@host86-150-203-53.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:17:59 m7d [~lriley@pool-71-102-237-143.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:20:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-230-177.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:09 gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.78.230.177] has joined #lisp 22:21:33 I think a compressed cmucl core without compiler is close to 3 MB. (It's 7.8 with compiler and unicode.) That doesn't include the C runtime. 22:21:41 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:25:20 -!- fatblueduck [~user@pool-71-104-155-233.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:26:58 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:37:37 -!- phrixos [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:40:22 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.78.230.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:51 phrixos [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 22:41:00 -!- wareya [~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:17 wowow common lisp knows my name http://i.imgur.com/nKdzI.png 22:41:41 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-50-242.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo_] 22:41:46 phrixos_ [~clarkema@bs0176.nerc-bas.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 22:41:52 waddahellisthis [50d44979@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.212.73.121] has joined #lisp 22:41:53 wareya [~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:41:55 Seriously, if you walk 10 miles forwards and then 10 miles backwards do you then burn 0 calories? 22:44:16 waddahellisthis: No, because you burn calories in the change of velocity (acceleration), not the overall time in "motion". Same as with the time dilation from the walk. 22:44:32 nyef: :))) 22:44:55 That is counterintuitive nyef, I think you might be wrong 22:44:57 Quadrescence: Yes, it knows your name. Because SLIME looked it up in /etc/passwd. 22:45:22 slime is hacking me omg omg 22:45:31 Quadrescence: Did you put a (setq user-full-name "") somewhere in your configs? 22:45:39 waddahellisthis: Of course I'm wrong. But it's a better explanation than what you originally proposed. 22:45:43 naryl: I don't remember. 22:46:04 naryl: that is slime's (emacs lisp side) message 22:46:37 It's fine that it knows me, just thought I'd pretend Lisp was so magical that it knew the user's name, well, magically. 22:46:59 It knows it "automagically" (handwave, handwave). 22:52:04 -!- waddahellisthis [50d44979@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.212.73.121] has left #lisp 22:58:41 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-153-145.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 22:59:32 what. 22:59:51 Why on earth would you need to accellerate to use up energy? 23:00:40 oh 23:00:41 n/m 23:00:45 *schmrkc* reads more then. 23:00:53 *schmrkc* gets trolled by the master :( 23:01:15 Ignoring friction, of course. 23:01:58 physics is all about ignoring friction :) 23:03:03 -!- manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 23:06:43 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.60.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:07:49 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:11:54 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-64-102.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:24 schmrkc: and engineering is all about friction? 23:14:17 hey what a good point. 23:14:40 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:15:16 -!- drdo [~user@98.192.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:19:18 same with sex 23:21:47 A lot of guys seem to think that, but if you want to be any good at it you need to know that there's more to it. 23:22:01 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable075.97-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 23:22:03 I'm sure there's something to be said about the role of lubricants here, but I'm not about to try and figure it out. 23:25:26 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:31:13 Pavitra: yeah i know 23:31:19 i guess "all about" isn't true 23:31:50 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:33:18 sounds like something hitler would say. 23:33:36 what 23:34:02 well I dunno. 23:34:08 there's some law saying we have to go there 23:34:38 speaking of going 23:34:40 i'm going to sleep 23:34:43 good night 23:34:52 night 23:34:55 a nap would be cool yeah 23:38:14 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483AE36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:41:33 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756862.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:31 Soulman [~knute@159.80-202-237.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 23:50:04 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:51:27 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:56:48 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:58:58 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp