00:00:29 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:00:30 ah. would be kinda hard for deployment :D 00:01:08 (though VLM is somewhat deployable) 00:01:09 It is connected to the interweb so 00:01:25 (follow that statement with an ellipsis) 00:03:16 (also I don't really deploy Lisp code. I just kind of REPL it and say "cool".) 00:04:16 gz_ [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 00:04:18 Amyn [~Amyn@giv69-1-82-232-166-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 00:04:24 *Xach* sold another roflbot install this week 00:04:47 consolas is nice, i am using monaco 00:05:25 Xach uses monaco!! 00:05:44 is he a good guy or bad guy? =) 00:06:08 He's a quickguy. 00:06:25 good job, Xach 00:06:27 pixpop [~pixpop@166.205.136.232] has joined #lisp 00:06:37 rockin' the sales world 00:06:48 Xach: Is it open source? 00:07:43 -!- pixpop [~pixpop@166.205.136.232] has quit [Client Quit] 00:07:44 Quadrescence: no. 00:07:49 Xach: >:( 00:08:27 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:08:35 hmm=) 00:08:47 Don't be sad. 00:09:00 not open source, but it does keep Xach fed 00:09:05 hard to call that evil 00:09:06 Selling roflbot helps me fund quicklisp. And fund myself. 00:09:25 If you're selling it to people who don't know anything about lisp (which I presume it's written in), then I'm okay. 00:09:58 Quadrescence: fortunately it's not your decision 00:10:09 brandonz [~brandon@24.38.183.236] has joined #lisp 00:10:13 rich_holygoat: Yes, quite fortunately. 00:10:30 *Xach* has also sold Lisp libraries to Lisp nerds 00:10:32 -!- _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:35 rich_holygoat: I am just recovering from a Stephen Wolfram anger rant from a couple days ago, that's all. :) 00:11:21 heh, he could make Buddha angry 00:12:37 what is roflbot ? 00:12:51 humasect: http://wigflip.com/roflbot/ 00:13:03 rich_holygoat: [rant here: http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=69 ] 00:13:09 oh, nice! =) 00:13:43 -!- Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-42-33.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 00:14:38 -!- MagBo [~Sweater@87.246.131.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14:52 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:16:38 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:00 ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 00:17:28 http://images.roflbot.wigflip.com/1/N/zAX9hNQfWwzWVaR6/roflbot-wWsU.jpg hurry! 00:18:19 Quadrescence: while I somewhat agree, particularly on the inability to base science on hidden mechanisms, I would counter with this: 00:18:48 Mathematica probably wouldn't exist today if it wasn't commercial 00:19:09 -!- Amyn [~Amyn@giv69-1-82-232-166-106.fbx.proxad.net] has left #lisp 00:19:12 rich_holygoat: Yeah, instead something much more powerful could have been developed, like Axiom. 00:19:13 one must therefore weigh its damage to true science against the benefit it provides to countless researchers on a daily basis 00:19:34 you're assuming that anyone would have been motivated to build it if it weren't for money 00:19:43 Amyn [~Amyn@giv69-1-82-232-166-106.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 00:19:45 money really helps you drive through the rough patches 00:19:52 I agree that it does. 00:20:08 compare open-source and closed-source SOAP implementations for a vivid example 00:20:21 Python libraries are notorious for just skipping the hard parts of whatever problem they address 00:20:37 in short, Mathematica is better software because people pay for it 00:20:48 and thus the world is probably a better place 00:21:09 (interesting to hear me say this, given my very grey-area attitude to piracy) 00:21:24 SOAP is notorious for being a hard to implement XMLRPC, so that's probably not a very good example. :) 00:21:29 (actually, Axiom has much more powerful algebra, especially since leaders in the field of computer algebra have contributed tons of code) 00:21:34 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:42 Mathematica just "looks" better. 00:21:48 -!- Amyn [~Amyn@giv69-1-82-232-166-106.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:21:51 heh, indeed... though SOAP is a good example; just like computer algebra, it's trying to implement something external to itself 00:22:00 and so you don't have the luxury of just using a simpler protocol 00:22:09 you have to build what you've been tasked with building 00:22:23 this is why there are plenty of open-source XML-RPC libraries, and very few SOAP ones 00:22:49 because people building open source software don't have to use crappy hard to implement protocols for buzzword compliance as often 00:23:05 indeed 00:23:05 foom: :D 00:23:06 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:40 ... and that's why I buy SOAP implementations, rather than writing my own :) 00:23:53 p_l|home: REPL stops responding if I input any list with more than two or three items o_O 00:24:01 like, (+ 1 1 2 3) makes it stop working 00:24:14 or (print t "hello world") like in the first chapter 00:24:24 (+ 2 3) works though 00:27:16 Kovensky: what implementation? 00:27:22 I recommend SBCL if on linux 00:27:34 ccl-1.5 win64 00:27:47 basically, whatever came with lispbox =p 00:27:56 hmmm 00:28:05 weird 00:29:04 *Kovensky* should just build one on cygwin 00:31:47 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-117-125.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:32:27 rme [~rme@pool-68-238-8-157.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:32:36 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 00:38:16 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-117-125.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 00:39:13 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:40:12 -!- stokachu [~user@nat/redhat/x-qlpmgkeqvwevkwyx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:30 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:40:33 stokachu` [~user@nat/redhat/x-myydlplirawfcjnm] has joined #lisp 00:41:15 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-82-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:35 TeMPOraL [~user@erlang.pnet.com.pl] has joined #lisp 00:42:24 It's been years since maxima had LISP CODE THAT SHOUTS AT YOU. 00:44:19 http://www.python.org/doc/humor/#bad-habits lol 00:44:42 Now it just has lisp code that is unreadable and undocumented. 00:49:33 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 00:56:57 -!- darkmag [~vfalico@ip-94-112-36-51.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:57:52 -!- jso [~user@ip68-111-169-131.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:46 -!- hadronzoo [~user@ppp-70-251-74-187.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:05 rtoym: and which contains stuff that probably won't compile anymore :) 01:05:02 Well, no. The stuff that doesn't compile is either commented out or was removed long ago. But there is probably lots of stuff that no one knows what it does or what it's for. :-) 01:05:42 ASau`` [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 01:06:48 -!- ASau` [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:07:43 rtoym: well, the stuff I encountered was simply in conditional modules that had near zero chances of getting triggered :P 01:08:24 You mean the share and contrib stuff? 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I'll tell Xach when he/she/it next speaks. 02:11:52 froydnj [~froydnj@gateway.codesourcery.com] has joined #lisp 02:17:33 sabalaba [~sabalaba@219.237.162.242] has joined #lisp 02:21:38 hehe, and i thought his was one of the less androgynous nicks. 02:22:18 minion should know gender 02:23:06 *derrida* enters code delirium 02:24:39 minion: memo for Xach: the init-file-name on cmucl is .cmucl-init.lisp or init.lisp. I personally use .cmucl-init.lisp. 02:24:39 Remembered. 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I can't even figure out how his implementation for a "trivial" typesystem works (In appendix II). 04:10:09 ost [~user@217.198.9.4] has joined #lisp 04:10:12 hello 04:10:16 Hello ost. 04:11:22 what's new in a Lisp world? 04:12:11 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-108-181.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: Arrrr!] 04:13:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-71.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:13:48 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@12.0.194.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:26:13 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:32:09 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 04:32:46 OK, I am slowly understanding what Baker is doing in Appendix II. 04:36:09 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:39:03 lisp needs more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4 04:39:14 someone make a readtable to do it 04:45:16 HET2 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seconds] 07:59:06 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 07:59:40 stassats: I think an implementation might be allow to dx allocate condition objects. You should better store prin1-to-string rather than the condition itself out of the handler 08:00:25 ok 08:00:33 tcr: "dx allocate"? 08:01:01 dynamic extent 08:01:28 tcr: I would be interested in knowing which passage that says that. 08:02:27 kiuma [~kiuma@212.66.226.129] has joined #lisp 08:04:09 dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 08:05:13 spiaggia: I don't know. What if it is not explicitly stated? What freedom will lose, user's or implementator's? 08:06:19 chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 08:06:34 but IGNORE-ERRORS returns the condition 08:07:00 Good point 08:07:42 tcr: I don't see any part in the spec to the dynamic-extent declaration that would allow the implementation to break if you declare a condition dx 08:07:59 for one, this passage: "The compiler is permitted to use this information in any way that is appropriate to the implementation and that does not conflict with the semantics of Common Lisp" 08:08:56 antifuchs: The question was more if the implementation may go ahead and just do it without explicit declaration :-) 08:09:28 i'm thinking that if it signals the condition upwards on the stack, it shouldn't be dxed 08:09:52 uh, if you're returning the condition to somewhere else, the implementation really shouldn't (: 08:10:05 I would report it as a bug, for one (: 08:11:21 stassats: another excellent point 08:11:33 hello lispers 08:11:52 stassats: it may however has different stacks that are unwinded slightly differently 08:12:07 excuse my grammar, just woke up :-) 08:12:59 let's leave it as it is and see if anyone complains 08:14:05 Well you could also do the truncated message bit in one go :-) 08:15:24 1 to c, but i prefer not having the massage at all than having it truncated 08:15:31 err, message 08:16:23 i was thinking about displaying it as a presentation 08:16:46 Why? It's just as a reminder 08:18:18 now that i used it a bit, i don't think i need even printing the type of a condition at all, i can perfectly remember what conditions i aborted 08:19:20 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:34 It's nice to have it in the backlog 08:19:54 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 08:20:17 _8david even wants to get further; display and integrate sldb into the slime-repl :-) 08:20:40 maybe, but it distracts when immediately in the backlog 08:20:46 distracts me 08:21:34 It just fires neurons because it's new behaviour 08:21:42 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A70C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:21:58 making it a presentation would rock 08:22:07 maybe, but whenever i see something that can be read i read it, especially when it's different from time to time 08:22:13 don't think that will work with the current way of doing though 08:23:13 a while back i was thinking about rehauling presentations, but not further 08:24:04 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:24:09 not further? You mean not anymore? 08:24:45 it haven't got further than thinking it'd be good 08:26:53 Maybe when I'm filthy rich! 08:28:11 tcr: it's only a matter of time now! 08:28:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.135.206.66] has joined #lisp 08:29:22 Such low expectation keeps any pressure away 08:32:53 hollystyles [~chatzilla@mail.weblogik.biz] has joined #lisp 08:33:04 -!- hollystyles [~chatzilla@mail.weblogik.biz] has left #lisp 08:34:32 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:36:26 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-141-226.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:41:15 -!- wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-233-193.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:41:22 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-233-193.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:42:47 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 08:50:38 What is the reason that structures are single inheritance only? 08:51:16 Or put differently, if they weren't, what would make it harder to implement? 08:51:52 first idea off the top of my head: slot layout changes 08:52:18 currently as far as i remember slot accessors may have slot offsets hordcoded 08:52:23 which are not standard anyway 08:52:44 what is not standard? 08:52:55 behaviour on redefining structs 08:54:23 fiveop [~fiveop@p5B286AEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:54:32 I've set a struct's value to a lambda. When I try to call it by doing (apply #'(struct-callback my-struct) (something)) it tells: (STRUCT-CALLBACK MY-STRUCT) is not a legal function name. Why? 08:55:01 sierinjs: you know what #' means? 08:55:45 And now I understand why it doesn't work. >_< 08:56:06 sierinjs: you sure? 08:57:05 jdz, Yup, it works now. 08:57:38 sierinjs: the point of the exercise was not to make your code work, but for you to understand why it did not work in the first place 08:59:50 jmbr [~jmbr@mac512.mat.ucm.es] has joined #lisp 09:02:36 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 09:02:39 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:02:53 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:27 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:03:56 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 09:09:24 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 09:12:07 -!- incandenza [~djm@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:37 incandenza [~djm@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:15:40 H4ns`` [~user@pD4B9EE82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:15:58 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:16:18 -!- H4ns`` is now known as H4ns 09:19:34 -!- H4ns` [~user@p579F89B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:19:53 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@mac512.mat.ucm.es] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:20:25 -!- splittist [~John@250-150.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 09:21:08 -!- nasloc__ [tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:23:54 *tcr* makes good use of the VALUES place 09:24:10 Sometimes you just love CL :-) 09:25:12 timchen119 [tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 09:28:21 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:28:54 Yuuhi [benni@p54839F10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:30:48 -!- timchen119 [tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:36:12 ost` [~user@217.198.9.4] has joined #lisp 09:36:12 -!- ost [~user@217.198.9.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:28 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75539c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:38:23 -!- phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:38:50 timchen1` [tim@kalug.ks.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 09:39:51 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-dycnkkcbyzngevzm] has left #lisp 09:39:52 <_8david> slot layout changes is exactly right, just not in the sense of changes upon redefinition, but rather differences in slot offsets in a newly defined subclass compared to their offsets in the superclasses: there is no such thing as constant slot offsets if you're using MI 09:40:42 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 09:41:38 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:42 <_8david> tcr: indeed, while hemlock/prepl is a very buggy piece of, erm, software, I love its plain old debugger compared to the overly fancy sldb 09:43:28 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:44 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 09:44:08 http://weblocks.viridian-project.de/weblocks-demo 09:44:35 needs some attention maybe 09:45:13 ok, the page seems to be outdated 09:46:54 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:47:14 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:49:03 Good morning. 09:49:27 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.114.19.185.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 09:49:51 -!- koollman [~samson_t@ns301422.ovh.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:54:24 folks, any easy way to give elisp the common lisp feature #+ and #-? 09:55:05 You use (when (featurep ) ) in elisp 09:56:37 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-149-184.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 09:58:07 tcr: yeah, but it is easier/cleaner not to put it inside a () 09:58:44 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:59:34 does emacs [lisp] provide access to the reader? 10:00:00 jdz: in c, I think. 10:00:16 leo2007: what does that mean? 10:01:34 jdz: that you have to hack C to modify the reader :) 10:01:40 jdz: to modify the reader, change read.c. 10:02:02 yes, but my question was about doing it from emacs [lisp]... 10:02:39 probably poorly worded, as usual 10:02:48 jdz: Emacs Lisp uses built-in syntactic rules when reading Lisp expressions, and these rules cannot be changed. (Some Lisp systems provide ways to redefine the read syntax, but we decided to leave this feature out of Emacs Lisp for simplicity.) 10:03:14 jdz: from the Info node "(elisp) Syntax Basics" 10:03:16 chrnybo: it is sad and that has not changed for decades. 10:03:44 leo2007: it definitely has its bright sides 10:04:41 from a 1985's point of view? 10:05:28 no, from swarms of non-common-lisp programmers' point of view 10:06:12 anyway, if there is no read-time concept in elisp, you don't get reader macros 10:07:31 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07:34 jdz: ok. Thanks. 10:09:09 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:09:47 cg` [~cg@f053118021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:10:28 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:32 -!- cg` [~cg@f053118021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #lisp 10:12:32 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-188-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:13:17 homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-233-193.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:13:47 wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-233-193.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:14:30 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-116-178.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:16:51 serichsen [~user@f054218192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:16:56 Hello! 10:23:04 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-9-129.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 10:23:21 hello serichsen 10:26:55 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-188-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 10:27:03 Hey, spiaggia. Am I cross-eyed, or are you doubled? 10:27:50 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-188-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:28:22 serichsen: Not sure what you mean. On my computer at home I am beach. 10:28:50 spiaggia: That is what I meant. :) 10:29:08 serichsen: When I am on my laptop, I am sometimes `plage'. 10:29:58 spiaggia: I was aware of your translation efforts; I was just a bit curious why there were two parallel instances of you. :) 10:30:45 I just didn't /leave before leaving home. 10:40:50 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-71.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 10:41:04 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 10:41:10 Does anyone know whether SBCL implements Baker's method for subtypep? 10:43:40 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 10:43:46 spiaggia: it does not 10:44:12 it instead implements a curious hand-rolled dispatch system 10:44:26 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo3.23.cust.blixtvik.net] has joined #lisp 10:44:47 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 10:44:48 one reason is that sbcl uses subtypep both for "is this type relationship currently true" and "can this type relationship ever be true" 10:44:58 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 10:45:00 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 10:45:05 there's a discussion of this at the end of the Baker paper, if I remember correctly 10:45:18 OK, I haven't gotten that far yet. 10:48:08 I can't figure out why Baker keeps the representatives beyond the initialization phase. Doing so doesn't seem to have any advantages (that I can see) and kind of creates the alias problem and the necessity to enumerate characters. 10:48:59 ogamita [~user@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:49:59 spiaggia: you know, it can be really annoying to reconfigure irssi so that all of your nicks are accounted for :D 10:50:21 p_l|home: Sorry! 10:52:13 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.135.206.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:56:54 nah, I wouldn't do it if it wasn't worth it :D 10:59:05 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-209-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 11:03:30 logia_th [~nmo@83.38.207.217] has joined #lisp 11:03:37 H4ns` [~user@pD4B9EE82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:44 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-9-129.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:05:11 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-40-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:06:42 -!- H4ns [~user@pD4B9EE82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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(just found it by google too) 13:37:07 p_l|home: yes. it is used in $bigproject. 13:37:11 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:37:38 good to know 13:38:15 H4ns: that would be $$$bigproject$$$? 13:38:24 jdz: add $$ as you will. 13:38:28 jdz: :) 13:38:42 H4ns: yeah, sounds really big :) 13:39:21 well, I'm thinking of using it for interacting with Outlook, so :P 13:41:03 p_l|home: it's been a while ago, but i think that trivial-ldap did not fall on my feet at all. it has been constantly tested against openldap for over a year now, and it has also been tested against a m$ ad server. 13:41:35 good 13:43:17 I want to integrate address book of the system I'm going to write with Outlook, so it's a godsend 13:43:31 is the intent of list-callers/callees in slime to find callers/callees by "spying" on actual function references instead of relying on some cross-reference db? 13:43:46 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:43:46 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 13:43:46 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 13:44:32 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:33 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:41 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-149-184.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:45:02 -!- redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:45:12 (nevermind, just saw the docstrings) 13:45:52 would you find useful if list-callers would always show the generic function of a method and list-callees would always show the methods of a generic function? 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I personally use .cmucl-init.lisp. 15:33:51 Xach: I would like to do the chapter/section/... pages first, then ask lispworks for forgiveness (: 15:35:30 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 15:35:43 antifuchs: you can install the hyperspec locally 15:36:24 fe[nl]ix: sure 15:36:43 fe[nl]ix: but as far as I can tell, what I am creating is a transformative work, which is pretty much prohibited by the copyright statement (: 15:37:00 I have decided to ask for forgiveness 15:37:04 oh, right 15:37:10 ...when I'm done (: 15:37:37 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-134-127.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:13 antifuchs: you didn't want to start from dpANS? 15:40:57 splittist: parsing that turned out to be even harder than the somewhat-outdated markup in clhs 15:41:22 also, clhs has some manual interlinking that was added by whoever at lispworks did it (: 15:42:27 antifuchs: well, that's where you might run into trouble. It may not be in LW's ability to grant forgiveness (or they may not feel it is). 15:42:57 antifuchs: why not just do what they did and write a spec converter? 15:43:04 Good evening! 15:43:30 beach: evening 15:44:02 hi beach! 15:44:58 antifuchs: And while you are at it, why not make it annontatable like the CLIM II spec? 15:45:23 dlowe: because I want to go the path of least resistance (: 15:45:38 Aww 15:45:40 and this is, so far, quite nice (: 15:45:57 it's a hobby project, and this code will end up running exactly once (: 15:46:11 and the final purpose is none other than to make me smile smugly (: 15:46:46 antifuchs: Tell me again what you are doing with the glossary? "scraped?" 15:47:07 is they hyperspec covered by a weird license? 15:49:58 jmbr [~jmbr@238.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:54:09 guys, I can't find siglab zip-file which was released at authors Mac folder on the internet. does anybody have it? 15:55:24 Fade: Not particularly. You can read it yourself and see. 15:56:02 Fade: It is less than a page long. 15:56:08 yakov: Still no. 15:56:38 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-40-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:57:08 antifuchs, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission :> 15:59:25 or better, sell it to them 16:01:53 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-40-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 16:02:22 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 16:02:35 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:04:14 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:09:09 -!- pixpop [~user@adsl-76-208-142-114.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 16:09:58 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:11:10 tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 16:12:38 yan_ [~asym@srtd.org] has joined #lisp 16:13:19 mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has joined #lisp 16:13:46 drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-49-209.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:18 -!- dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-54-75.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:00 siglab? the tool used to simulate, among other stuff, ICBM interception? xD 16:15:31 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@212.66.226.129] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 16:17:39 redline6561 [~redline@c-66-56-55-169.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:06 p_l|home, hehe 16:19:24 ;-) 16:19:52 well, I had seen weird pieces of software at home, including missile simulations, so... :P 16:19:59 :-D 16:20:10 could you please drop it to me zaytsev.yakov@gmail.com pleeeease 16:20:25 i want intercept your ICBMs! promise! 16:21:33 i will not. damn. 16:21:52 cowhm [~cowhm@147.sub-97-152-74.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 16:22:05 heh 16:22:23 it wasn't mine, unfortunately :P 16:23:00 stop teasing me then. ;-) 16:23:25 brandonz [~brandon@238.sub-97-239-6.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 16:24:43 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:27:27 lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 16:28:14 Hello, everyone! 16:28:37 hello lat_ 16:29:26 beach, how is you clim project progressing? 16:30:20 lat_: I haven't worked on it for about a week, because I have been working on SICL instead. 16:30:49 -!- sixpoint8 [~jaykub@ip68-12-204-131.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:31:40 lat_: What are you working on? 16:32:37 -!- Krystof [~csr21@92.24.92.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:32:50 beach, I've not been able to use irc for several weeks due to a computer problem. What is SiCL? 16:33:25 lat_: Crazy project. The purpose is to supply high-quality building blocks for developers of Common Lisp systems. 16:33:42 http://common-lisp.net/project/sicl/ 16:36:37 -!- rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has quit [Quit: rich_holygoat] 16:37:11 -!- splittist [~John@250-150.203-62.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: yay Xach, tcr and me!] 16:37:13 beach, I'm making a program to create an a Greek-Indonesia Lexicon and a Greek-Indonesian Interlinear New Testament. The lexicon part is finished, and the interlinear part should be done soon (I hope). 16:38:26 lat_: That's pretty specialized. Is the potential target group of that larger or smaller than that of all Lispers in the world (just to give me an idea)? 16:40:45 lat_: what is an interlinear new testament? 16:41:11 The program is just for use by our small team here in Indonesia. The results will be for whoever wants to use them. 16:43:44 Fade, Indonesia words are placed under the Greek words, to help Indonesians learn Greek and study the Greek New Testament. 16:44:13 Indonesia = Indonesian 16:44:26 ahh. i see. 16:45:20 -!- navigator [~navigator@p54897108.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 16:45:26 -!- xan_ [~xan@46.204.192.61.tokyo.bflets.alpha-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:45:44 beach, will your project help me implement Lisp on a DSP without MMU? 16:45:45 Krystof [~csr21@92.25.29.190] has joined #lisp 16:47:26 *ivan4th* tried to debug quicklisp/minichipz problem in CCL on ARM (N900). It turned out that CCL either miscompiles LOGIOR/LOGAND/LOGXOR for e.g. (unsigned-byte 32) or causes an error. Seemingly fixed the bug, but miscompilation still happens. Turns out it's due to the fact that CCL itself was miscompiled by broken CCL on the device. Oh my :( 16:47:46 (register allocation is broken) 16:47:51 yakov: I have no idea. 16:48:22 crazy project indeed 16:48:43 Thanks! :) 16:49:26 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:49:46 navigator [~navigator@p548973DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:16 ivan4th: did you try monkey patching? 16:51:39 ivan4th: ouch 16:52:12 ivan4th: chipz also causes a problem for some on abcl. i might try using Pierre Mai's Deflate instead. 16:53:02 -!- codemonkeyx [~codemonke@www.sinclair-durer.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:07 -!- yakov [~yzaytsev@183.49.62.92.nienschanz.ru] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:54:14 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:34 ivan4th: If you have any test cases (i.e., any functions in chipz that ccl screws up on), please consider submitting a bug. http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/newticket 16:54:49 stassats: I did A LOT of monkey patching. this is how I gradually discovered the truth 16:55:14 rme: of course, and perhaps with a patch 16:57:18 I think it's not that hard to cross-compile CCL for ARM, right?.. 16:58:14 Certainly easier than cross-compiling SBCL for ARM. :-P 16:59:02 -!- TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@203-206-28-19.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:59:46 Uh, it's kind of fiddly, but cross-compiling from an x8632 host might not be too bad. 17:00:52 I don't like the sound of "kind of fiddly". Have you considered improving the cross-compilation procedure to be more straightforward/robust? 17:04:37 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:04:42 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 17:05:46 aaand it scrapes chapter pages 17:06:18 (one more point in favor of scraping the clhs directly: I can be sure it says the correct things about the clhs, which is what I'm interested in (-:) 17:06:24 just in time for dinner, yay 17:06:28 nyef: just need more time & money 17:07:00 -!- daniel [~daniel@p50829DD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: G-stringed] 17:07:40 -!- slyrus [~slyrus@adsl-75-36-215-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:08:57 pmd` [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has joined #lisp 17:10:19 dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 17:10:59 -!- pmd` [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:10:59 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:20 pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has joined #lisp 17:11:29 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13:23 dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-52-55.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:23 -!- drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-49-209.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:17:25 I've been offline for a while due to a computer breakdown. Finally, I bought a new motherboard, and decided to install 64 bit Archlinux instead of the 32 bit Ubuntu I was using before. Also, ext4 file system instead of the ext3 I was using before. Much faster! I can hardly believe the improvement. I just finished installing sbcl and slime. I'm back in business! 17:17:52 take a look at quicklisp. :) 17:18:29 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.33.72] has joined #lisp 17:24:05 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:24:13 -!- boyscared [~bm3719@c-68-48-171-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:25:24 drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-48-180.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:35 boyscared [~bm3719@muze.x.rootbsd.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:40 Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-17-89.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:26:34 -!- dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-52-55.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:23 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 17:27:34 Fade, is quicklisp a replacement for clbuild? 17:32:16 <_8david> lat_: watch the youtube screencasts to find out 17:32:37 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 17:32:38 -!- gz_ is now known as gz 17:32:38 -!- gz [gz@clozure-93943513.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: ] 17:32:53 dialtone [~dialtone@70.36.244.244] has joined #lisp 17:32:53 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@70.36.244.244] has quit [Changing host] 17:32:53 dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has joined #lisp 17:33:12 Xach [~xach@72.227.90.1] has joined #lisp 17:34:15 logia_th [~nmo@83.38.207.217] has joined #lisp 17:34:35 _8david, can't. Don't have flashplayer installed yet. 17:35:22 <_8david> so? I watched the quicklisp screencasts without using flash, too. 17:35:55 <_8david> okay, I cheated and used the iphone. But if archlinux doesn't have youtube-dl, I recommend going back to ubuntu. 17:36:20 -!- brandonz [~brandon@238.sub-97-239-6.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:37:13 this reminds me of a similar problem in the CL ecosystem: http://fnords.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/the-real-problem-with-java-in-linux-distros/ 17:37:15 timor [~timor@port-92-195-82-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 17:38:05 lat youtube has a "beta" html5 option 17:38:33 so some videos (incl, iirc, the screencast) can be viewed without flash 17:39:31 adeht, thanks. I'll check into that. 17:40:32 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.197.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:41:52 ugh my lisp is so rusty I can't even use asdf anymore or figure out how to use packages 17:42:15 Elench [~user@unaffiliated/elench] has joined #lisp 17:42:19 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.170.6] has joined #lisp 17:45:28 cl-wd40 17:47:05 lol 17:48:04 dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-48-180.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:48:48 -!- drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-48-180.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:52:19 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.47.126.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:52:35 gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 17:53:04 -!- gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:55:06 dm9 [~dmatveev@217.118.93.80] has joined #lisp 17:56:01 jga [~gajon@189.253.110.193] has joined #lisp 17:56:40 -!- cowhm [~cowhm@147.sub-97-152-74.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: -a-] 17:56:58 cowhm [~cowhm@147.sub-97-152-74.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 17:58:59 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:59 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:03:41 -!- cowhm [~cowhm@147.sub-97-152-74.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: -a-] 18:05:47 -!- lat_ [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:05:55 koollman [~samson_t@ns301422.ovh.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:00 -!- sierinjs is now known as ij 18:06:56 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:08:40 drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-133-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:43 -!- dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-48-180.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:13:36 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:15:16 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:06 haha 18:19:50 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has quit [] 18:23:12 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-181.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:23:13 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-140-181.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:29:25 -!- rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:42 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:29:43 -!- drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-133-212.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:15 drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-133-199.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:55 Ralith [~ralith@142.58.92.11] has joined #lisp 18:34:37 lat_: If you have a big hard drive that needs filling up, you might also take a peek at http://github.com/brown/slurp 18:34:42 -!- Guest88550 is now known as reb 18:36:03 Sbidicuda [~antani@host209-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:36:47 rlb3 [~rlb@ng1.cptxoffice.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:10 -!- rlb3 [~rlb@ng1.cptxoffice.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:45:27 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-61-51.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:45:33 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46:44 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 18:46:57 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-7-246.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49:14 loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has joined #lisp 18:55:02 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:55:07 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 18:55:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 18:55:07 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:57:19 -!- drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-133-199.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:58:44 drewc: I can't wait to high-five you at ILC for that cll post. 18:59:29 does it work? 18:59:34 Xach: the one i just posted? 18:59:40 yeah. 19:00:10 do you get notified when a new post appears or something? I just C-c C-c :) 19:00:18 it works 19:00:19 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:29 well, i tested it briefly 19:00:30 astalla [~astalla@93-36-226-66.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 19:01:01 does alexandria defer to the implementation's external-format support? 19:01:31 now that's a good question. 19:01:49 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 19:01:58 to take full advantage of babel, I'd expect you to have to read the file as an octet vector instead of as a string. 19:02:54 drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-49-168.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:14 yes, following up! 19:03:38 -!- vinnana [~pkensche@cmbipc58.cmbi.umcn.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05:47 mmullis [~mmullis@208.65.90.233] has joined #lisp 19:05:56 hrm.. i don't actually think it works at all... it doesn't really translate does it. :) 19:07:44 it's the thought that counts? 19:08:01 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.170.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:09:18 actually... 19:09:40 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.162.116] has joined #lisp 19:09:46 yeah, it can be made to work. 19:12:21 I'm considering reading that post because I'm curious what you're talking about. But I probably wouldn't understand it anyway. :P 19:12:55 ... from the list of falsehoods about names that programmers believe: No. 28 That Klingon Empire thing was a joke, right? 19:13:29 cYmen: on comp.lang.lisp RG's suggested using a python program to fix a text encoding issue. drewc provided a short CL program. 19:13:47 ok, i have a working version that doesn't rely on external format support 19:14:23 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:33 ok, followup posted 19:19:16 sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 19:19:36 hmm 19:19:49 *Xach* wonders about a babel:octets-to-octets function 19:20:03 -!- Ralith [~ralith@142.58.92.11] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:22:07 dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-62-44.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:24:04 -!- drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-49-168.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:25:20 Xach: mouth to mouth, flesh to flesh, octets to octets? 19:27:39 I was thinking "ashes to ashes" 19:28:33 dic for all and all for dic 19:28:50 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host169-174-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:29:22 dictionaries are extensive... 19:29:25 lol 19:29:52 my dualities are extreme... 19:30:15 Bronsa [~bronsa@host169-174-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:31:19 drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-60-167.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:32 -!- dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-62-44.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:32:40 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:36:51 dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-134-89.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:01 Elench` [~user@dsl-217-155-101-20.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:38:19 -!- drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-60-167.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:39:02 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:03 drakko [~andy@pool-96-224-129-92.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:16 -!- Elench [~user@unaffiliated/elench] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:41:24 is it safe to assume head dic to be faster then tail dic ? 19:41:38 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:42:12 -!- dracco235 [~andy@pool-96-224-134-89.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:42:21 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host169-174-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:42:47 brandonz [~brandon@104.sub-97-57-146.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 19:43:37 are there any sentence network parsers ? 19:43:46 weighting ? 19:44:59 or sentence parser networks ? 19:45:03 err 19:45:31 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:46:33 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:49:13 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53:42 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 19:53:59 -!- coopf [~user@173-164-79-209-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:20 -!- benny [~user@i577A71F0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:56:39 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 19:56:47 So I set the hash like in PCL, and boom  it's not there!: http://sprunge.us/bTFE , why? :/ 19:57:48 ij: do *bot* and the-bot refer to different objects? 19:58:10 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@rrcs-70-62-112-146.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:03 Oh, right. >_< I changed the the-bo to *bot* and alt-p'ed the code in emacs. 19:59:51 I always make stupid mistakes. 20:00:58 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-85-185.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:04:43 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-141-226.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:48 -!- hadronzoo [~user@ppp-70-251-74-187.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:20 -!- Krystof [~csr21@92.25.29.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:09:40 ooh, alexandria now has destructuring-case 20:10:10 How not nice that will cause endless name conflicts for me 20:10:15 mah forrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrth is shorth 20:11:12 i'll pstack you 20:11:12 tcr: a recent style change for me was to only :use cl and perhaps my own libraries, and :import-from everything else 20:11:26 lol 20:11:45 adeht: I do that but not for alexandria :-) 20:12:24 Actually I got a much nicer thing on top of it, destructuring-clauses to parse defpackage like clauses 20:13:09 adeht: Are you doing the one-package-per-file thing as well? 20:13:44 nyef: no, on the contrary, I usually create a single, or a few packages for projects 20:14:19 Mmm... Fair enough. 20:17:15 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:18:54 Any idea, why cl-irc could call the hook, I made him, and yet say 'UNHANDLED-EVENT'? 20:20:28 hadronzoo [~user@71.21.200.158] has joined #lisp 20:21:27 -!- hadronzoo [~user@71.21.200.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:54 hadronzoo [~user@71.21.200.158] has joined #lisp 20:23:03 Krystof [~csr21@92.24.99.161] has joined #lisp 20:29:37 benny [~user@i577A1CD8.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:37:17 ij: Wild guess, does it allow multiple handles and want you to set a "handled" flag after which it won't be passed on? 20:37:56 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-188-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 20:39:52 Are you sure that your hook function is getting called? 20:41:23 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:45:21 -!- TDT [~user@129.255.237.206] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:04 fe[nl]ix: Around? 20:49:39 redline6562 [~redline65@64.238.98.14] has joined #lisp 20:49:55 Afternoon, #lisp! 20:50:09 rtoym: yes 20:50:29 Is trivial-timers the best bet for timers in portable CL at the moment? 20:50:38 Also, if so, should Xach add it to quicklisp? :P 20:50:44 -!- Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-17-89.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 20:51:04 Quick question(s): Do you provide both sse2 and x87 cores for cmucl? What about unicode and non-unicode? Just curious. 20:51:56 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 20:53:54 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:39 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:44 -!- rme [rme@clozure-8CF49F87.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 20:54:55 rtoym: x87 always, sse2 if enabled(most users will enable it) and only unicode cores 20:55:02 -!- redline6562 [~redline65@64.238.98.14] has left #lisp 20:55:06 nyef, Yup, the bot replies. 20:55:20 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-61-51.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:55:50 nyef, There's `format t I got in` in the hook function and it prints: "I got in!UNHANDLED-EVENT:3494347914: PRIVMSG: foo bar "test"" 20:55:58 -!- rme [~rme@pool-68-238-8-157.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:56:03 Have you tried reading the instructions? 20:57:06 Kind of. At least pretty sure. 20:57:57 Actually it doesn't have much of instructions. 20:58:26 rtoym: and I was thinking of making sse2 mandatory. I doubt there's anybody running Gentoo and cmucl on a non-sse2 x86 20:59:44 And there's nothing obvious in the way of demo code? 21:00:00 fe[nl]ix: Funny you should say that. I heard some distro only has sse2, but just yesterday, I resurrected my old laptop which doesn't have sse2. :-) I thinking of dropping non-unicode after this release. 21:00:04 fe[nl]ix: perhaps create a use-flag or something similar for it? 21:00:25 I guess the next obvious thing to try is tracing the code-path implementing that hook. 21:00:43 rtoym: does that laptop run Gentoo ? 21:01:26 fe[nl]ix: No. It runs OpenSuSE 11.3. I tried Fedora, but the live CD wouldn't even boot. (The laptop is about 10 years old.) 21:02:04 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-61-51.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:02:35 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-142-111.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:53 (A single 1.2 GHz celeron something. A bit slow, but quite usable for web browsing. The original Win XP was distressingly slow.) 21:06:40 vinnana [~pkensche@cmbipc58.cmbi.umcn.nl] has joined #lisp 21:08:11 -!- UnwashedMeme [~nathan@216.155.97.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:09:05 Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050069251.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:09:16 sepp2k [~sexy@p4FDF3B70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:28 -!- brandonz [~brandon@104.sub-97-57-146.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:13:33 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 21:16:18 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23:53 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:24:17 kclifton [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:00 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-61-51.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:29:31 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:17 Ralith [~ralith@142.58.92.11] has joined #lisp 21:30:50 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A70C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:33:45 mk2 [~user@evanspc2.rai.umds.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 21:33:57 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 21:34:40 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-61-51.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:36:16 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:45 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-61-51.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 21:40:40 -!- ost`` [~user@217.198.9.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:05 ost`` [~user@217.198.9.4] has joined #lisp 21:41:21 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-209-107.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 21:51:04 -!- kclifton [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: kclifton] 21:53:05 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:21 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.54.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:30 Xach: http://github.com/antifuchs/clsem has the code 22:00:30 what code ? 22:04:05 code to my clhs interlinking structure extractor 22:06:53 daniel [~daniel@p5B32699F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:28 davazp [~user@184.Red-79-154-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:00 -!- dm9 [~dmatveev@217.118.93.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:16:47 -!- Sbidicuda [~antani@host209-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:22 -!- derrida [~derrida@unaffiliated/deleuze] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:22 -!- Ralith [~ralith@142.58.92.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:26:27 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl15-227-15.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:26:38 Xach: managed to run quicklisp under CCL on N900 after all. http://i.imgur.com/mtjVW.png 22:29:25 ivan4th: where are instructions regarding building ARM CCL? 22:31:34 Well, there are instructions somewhere at talk.maemo.org on how to make sdk image for the device. After that, standard CCL building procedure can be used (in fact no cross-compilation is needed). 22:31:48 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:31:56 I'm currently preparing a patch for CCL that fixes minichipz issue 22:33:20 timack [~tim@hlfx60-1-26.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 22:39:29 -!- jga [~gajon@189.253.110.193] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:28 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-188-218.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:29 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:21 ivan4th, there's CCL for ARM? 22:44:57 yes, but it's not quite ready for prime time 22:45:02 yet 22:46:01 Clearly, I need to spend some time on that SBCL ARM port again. 22:46:21 Fare: http://clozure.com/pipermail/openmcl-devel/2010-August/011782.html 22:46:28 ... After I figure out what on earth :load-if and :load-tn are for in VOP definitions. 22:48:05 -!- mk2 [~user@evanspc2.rai.umds.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:59 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:28 ivan4th: hee hee. that is an old(er) quicklisp.lisp 22:52:27 Eno_ [~eno@fl-71-55-189-188.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:02 is there a function in lisp that tells if two lists are equal? e.g test if '((X) (((A)) NIL) X C (A X D)) equals some list 22:53:38 Eno_: the obscurely-named EQUAL 22:54:00 thank you :) 22:54:04 francogrex [~user@109.130.122.108] has joined #lisp 22:54:08 congratulations, it looks great. 22:55:08 hi, what's the difference bewteen (unintern 'x) and (makunbound 'x) ? 22:55:43 -!- Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Planned down time ^^] 22:55:54 francogrex: one uninterns, one makunbounds. 22:56:12 symbol and values ? 22:56:53 homie: One is an operation on a package with respect to a symbol, the other is an operation on a symbol with respect to its value. 22:57:38 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050069251.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:57:39 Xach: ok but practically what difference if (defparameter x 3) .... 22:58:06 az [~az@p5796CE47.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:18 global 22:58:47 and maybe static ? 22:59:06 so unintern removes from the package ? 22:59:20 the smybol 22:59:38 it's associated value will be gc'ed i assume...' 22:59:45 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:53 Xach: ok, will try the latest version a bit later 23:00:13 not from the package.... 23:00:18 rme: filed the ticket with my attempt to fix the problem. http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/747 23:00:31 from the env where that symbol is interned 23:00:53 ok 23:00:58 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.114.19.185.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:01:08 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:01:08 ivan4th: Thank you. 23:01:57 rotty [~rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #lisp 23:02:51 -!- milanj [~milanj_@79-101-76-117.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:59 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.122.108] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:28 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:04:43 rme: you're welcome. 23:07:47 bandu [~coyotama@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 23:08:13 ok, blogged. 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