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[~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:18:27 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:19:14 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@erlang.pnet.com.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:21:50 -!- BrianRice [~water@c-98-246-165-205.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:23:28 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:28:03 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:29:16 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 02:36:32 stassats: if you use l-t-v for optimization you can try pretending the value is read-only and see if that's useful (on SBCL). 02:37:20 .win 7 02:39:35 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:41:56 pkhuong: the difference seems to be in the range of measurement error 02:42:26 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-251-190.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:43:52 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-251-190.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 02:44:47 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-236-203.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:45:32 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-236-203.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:45:41 is there a way to remove diacritics from unicode characters? 02:46:08 cl-unicode doesn't seem to manage that 02:48:17 araujo [~araujo@190.199.102.96] has joined #lisp 02:48:17 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.199.102.96] has quit [Changing host] 02:48:17 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 02:49:15 ziarkaen__ [~ziarkaen@87.113.67.61.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 02:50:27 loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:50:27 -!- loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:50:27 loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has joined #lisp 02:51:34 stassats: Do you have an example? 02:51:57 of character decomposition? 02:52:13 -!- ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.114.176.166.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:52:14 #\ü => #\u 02:52:16 Of what you want to do. 02:52:51 or i really want to (char-equal #\ü #\u) => T 02:53:35 -!- loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has quit [Client Quit] 02:54:20 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:54:33 I suppose you can create the decomposed form and remove the marks from the result. 02:54:53 that's the question 02:55:12 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:55:29 Cmucl can create the decomposed form. Don't know if cl-unicode can. 02:56:14 -!- rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-92-15-104.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:02:24 Maybe collation can do that too. I don't know of any Lisp implementation of unicode collation. 03:04:35 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:05:15 I dont like global variables, can I use something like namespace variables on CL? 03:05:30 what is namespace variables? 03:07:30 in tcl we can place variables inside a namespace to not polute the global namespace, is there namespaces on CL? if not, what is the CL way to do deal with global variables? 03:07:47 err, packages? 03:08:08 ok, thx stassats 03:08:18 why are you concerned about global variables, but not about global functions? 03:08:24 *_3b* tries to remember if there are any 'global namespaces' in CL aside from package names 03:08:52 leviathan [~quassel@c-82-192-226-27.customer.ggaweb.ch] has joined #lisp 03:09:57 -!- leviathan__ [~quassel@c-82-192-226-27.customer.ggaweb.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:11:19 stassats: I saw something on a package that used a global variable and I was worried about global variables at that moment. I am still reading a lisp book. I dont know much about lisp, yet 03:11:34 cl-future package 03:12:53 <_3b> also, 'global' variables in CL behave differently from other languages, since they are dynamically scoped 03:13:00 "how i learned to stop worrying and love global variables" 03:14:22 stassats: because Global Variables Considered Harmful! 03:14:41 <_3b> so while you /can/ use them like other languages, by modifying and accessing a globally shared binding, the usual way would be to bind them locally, so it only affects things called within that binding 03:14:47 harmful my GC! 03:15:47 I ve got to read a lot more :-) 03:16:12 <_3b> tcleval: also, in CL terms, 'package' probably doesn't mean what you think it does 03:16:36 <_3b> a 'package' in CL is a specific language construct, a mapping of names(strings) to symbol objects 03:16:55 something delivered by a postman? 03:16:58 <_3b> if you want to talk about a group of source files, we use the term 'system' to avoid confusion 03:17:08 -!- hypercube32 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returning a setf'able item. 08:13:12 Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 08:13:22 clhs member 08:13:22 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_member.htm 08:13:50 sie: Member returns a cons whose car can be setf'ed. 08:14:32 Alright, thanks. 08:14:51 No problme. 08:14:54 *lem 08:17:32 rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 08:18:04 timor [~timor@port-92-195-26-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:19:24 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.67.61.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 08:30:01 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 08:33:03 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.113.67.61.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:38:06 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 08:38:34 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 08:39:35 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0AD18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:40:02 -!- Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit 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setf the car of NIL. 09:50:13 Well I know it might return nil and actually I'm expecting just that. 09:51:48 So everything's alright, but thanks for caring. ;-D 09:52:38 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53:14 -!- pjb` [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:38 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:57:24 -!- younder [~jthing@231.203.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:58:58 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 10:02:19 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 10:03:58 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:04:31 Hm..how do I make a lisp file a script? Like the usual #!/usr/bin/perl magicline for perl... 10:04:46 #!/usr/bin/clisp 10:04:56 cYmen, That line's called shebang. 10:05:08 Actually, in scripts, in general I use: #!/usr/bin/clisp -ansi -q -Kfull -E iso-8859-1 10:05:28 ah right...I underspecified. I'm using sbcl. 10:05:38 Something similar. 10:05:52 #!/usr/bin/sbcl --script 10:06:19 aww 10:06:22 LOVE 10:06:51 Did this get easier in the last two years or did I just do it completely wrong before that? :) 10:06:55 arbscht, the --script makes sbcl not load sbclrc, right? 10:08:10 sie: I do not think so, --script does not imply --no-userinit or --no-sysinit 10:08:23 cYmen: it used to be trickier 10:08:59 Awesome. 10:09:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 10:09:42 Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050067107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:10:11 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 10:13:04 http://sprunge.us/ZGHH o.O 10:14:22 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:15:28 hohoho [~hohoho@bm203-180-244-172.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:16:35 Man, who added that --script feature to sbcl. I want to hug him. 10:19:14 <_3b> sie: the error should be that the variable isn't bound (since you didn't specify an initial value) not that it doesn't exist 10:21:15 gonzojive [~red@c-76-126-115-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:23:05 --script has been there since 1.0.21.27, based on a patch by Kevin Reid 10:23:37 (that's almost two years ago) 10:28:00 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@202-180-88-252.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:28:30 nikodemus: I think last time (which may have been before that) I used something like suggested in http://www.cliki.net/SBCL under scripts. 10:28:50 It was a little more complicated taking care of compiling and everything as needed. I found it somewhere on cliki but can't right now. 10:29:23 It was profoundly unpleasant for somebody only knowing a little lisp. :) 10:29:36 Especially since after updates I had to go and find all those broken .fasls... 10:30:36 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:31:02 cYmen: you must be a masochist. clisp is so much easier for scripts... 10:32:46 -!- TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@203-206-28-19.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:33:17 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 10:33:50 xan_ [~xan@46.204.192.61.tokyo.bflets.alpha-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:39:04 TraumaPony [~TraumaPon@203-206-28-19.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:40:46 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:43:08 abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 10:44:26 _3b, Oh, right. >.< Sorry for the bother. How stupid. ;-D 10:44:48 Jabber_ [~Jens@f050066047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:45:38 sie: actually, you were right. --script does imply --no-userinit and --no-sysinit 10:45:44 _8david [~user@port-92-195-6-230.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 10:46:24 sie: it is different as a runtime option and as a toplevel option 10:47:31 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7578de.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:47:38 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050067107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:55 -!- Jabber_ is now known as Jabberwockey 10:48:10 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-82-72.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:48:11 -!- lichtblau [~user@port-92-195-188-50.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:57:48 rednum [~bizon@193.59.98.98] has joined #lisp 10:58:20 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 10:59:28 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:00:39 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 11:07:50 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:13:50 -!- slash_1 [~unknown@p4FF0A8CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:15:26 s1gma_ [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 11:17:22 -!- _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:20:58 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:22:51 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 11:26:00 That said, for scripts, you should probably add --no-userinit, since the user's customizations could take a long time to load, and could break your scripts... 11:29:10 -!- xan_ [~xan@46.204.192.61.tokyo.bflets.alpha-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:29:52 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 11:31:41 pjb: --script includes the effect of --no-userinit 11:39:27 God. 11:39:28 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:39:32 s/God/Good. 11:41:59 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-219-251.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:42:58 s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-219-251.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:44:52 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:48:40 cYmen: just pack your code into a fasl and make it executable 11:49:53 since SBCL fasl's (at least on *nix) are executable 11:50:38 just remember that they'll refer to the SBCL they were compiled with 11:51:37 you can also concatenate all fasls necessary for your program 11:51:57 ustunozgur [~ustun@88.232.99.33] has joined #lisp 11:53:42 moah [~gnu@188.109.166.190] has joined #lisp 11:59:11 p_l: I don't think I have enough background knowledge. I don't even really know what a fasl is nor how to make it. ;) 11:59:23 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:20 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:02:17 COMPILE-FILE produces a fasl-file 12:02:41 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:03:39 while you can make them executable (just chmod a+x), there are issues you are better of not dealing with unless you understand them 12:04:32 so my recommendation is to just use --script in your source-files for scripts 12:05:00 *Xach* loves buildapp for sbcl 12:07:52 *Xach* does not like --script at all because loading anything useful is slow and/or verbose 12:08:51 <_8david> yeah. Anyone really intent on "scripts" rather than core files is better served by CCL. 12:09:23 i use --script sometimes, but they really are scripts 12:10:42 in the <100 lines range, typically 12:11:16 and most of the time with no external deps 12:11:17 hellomello [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 12:11:28 hello 12:11:38 hello hellomello 12:11:57 i will be back 12:12:06 Good to know. 12:12:07 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:23 urandom__ [~user@p548A68CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:17:22 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:18:59 -!- hellomello is now known as Amdusias 12:19:17 -!- Amdusias [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:19:47 Amdusias [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 12:20:48 -!- Amdusias [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Client Quit] 12:21:09 Amdusias [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 12:21:13 -!- Amdusias [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:18 Bronsa [~bronsa@host210-10-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:29:33 nikodemus: I sent my character completion code to the slime list. I doubt it's useful for sbcl, but perhaps it will inspire someone. It might even be easier in sbcl since (I heard) that sbcl stores the names in a huffman tree. 12:30:00 (Actually, not mine, but Paul's) 12:30:02 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 12:30:05 brandonz [~brandon@24.38.183.236] has joined #lisp 12:31:20 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-76-126-115-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 12:31:51 rtoym: how does cmucl store the names? 12:31:57 trie? 12:32:01 Yes. 12:34:36 (Hmm. I think it's a trie. Not really sure since the structure is different from the other structures used.) 12:36:21 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-233-194-239.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 12:37:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:38:33 actually, --script is used in FASL header of SBCL 12:38:50 p_l: yes, but we don't actually document the fact :) 12:39:46 haha 12:40:06 using it in fasls is a pain due due to fasl-incompatibility issues -- if we officially supported it, we would have to have a solution to those, IMO 12:41:03 since we don't, we don't advertise or recommend it unless someone actually has one of those rare use-cases where it is actually a good idea 12:41:32 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 12:41:38 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:41:50 well, I did mention the FASL-incompatibility 12:42:57 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@bm203-180-244-172.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:34 hohoho [~hohoho@bm203-180-244-172.bmobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:54:51 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:54:56 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:56:23 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:57:16 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:01:07 tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 13:09:22 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:10:03 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:43 darkmag [~vfalico@guest-docking-nat-1-087.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 13:10:49 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #lisp 13:18:27 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:19:38 -!- MaxMuen [maxmuen@kudu.in-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:21:18 -!- darkmag [~vfalico@guest-docking-nat-1-087.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:25:23 carlocci [~nes@93.37.222.175] has joined #lisp 13:28:02 davazp [~user@184.Red-79-154-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:49 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.17.188.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 13:33:38 -!- ustunozgur [~ustun@88.232.99.33] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:37 -!- guther [guther@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:43:18 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 13:46:57 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0A8CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:55 I just switched my implementation over from McClim to Allegro's Clim, and all my presentations became unclickable. Anyone had the same problem? 13:53:12 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@bm203-180-244-172.bmobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:33 for support requests for Allegro's CLIM, you're probably best off contacting Franz technical support 13:56:09 yeah, I've done so but it doesn't seem they work weekends 13:56:17 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-139-149.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:30 so i thought someone here might have experience if i'm really really lucky 13:56:37 thanks for the tip, though 14:00:22 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:40 MaxMuen [maxmuen@kudu.in-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 14:01:00 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:17:25 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:22:03 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.114.97.47.plusnet.thn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:10 Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 14:27:45 i am back 14:28:36 given that the only time I've used ACL's CLIM *nothing* was really clickable... (even in their own demos!), I can't say I had good impressions of it 14:29:25 *Abezethibou* test 14:29:39 jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-25-94.chs.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:44 -!- jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-25-94.chs.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:34:04 jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-25-94.chs.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:34:20 Abezethi` [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 14:35:39 ikki [~ikki@189.247.120.187] has joined #lisp 14:35:47 / 14:36:36 -!- Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:38:01 Abezethi`: It is confusing that you keep changing your nick. 14:38:35 the old nick was registered for another user 14:39:00 beach: thats why i changed nick 14:39:16 I see. 14:39:31 Either way, I don't recognize any of those nicks. Are you new here? 14:39:53 beach: i am new here 14:40:08 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:36 yesterday! i ask same of the books and information about CL on that channel 14:41:01 beach: this is my second day. 14:42:24 Did you get the information you were looking for? 14:43:16 ofcourse i decide to stop reading ansi common lisp (poul graham) 14:43:43 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.17.188.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 14:44:07 Steven_ [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 14:44:40 beach: i use REPL generally 14:45:42 As opposed to what? 14:46:29 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.17.188.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 14:46:33 beach: Pratical CL. 14:47:28 I REPL an alternative book? It usually just means Read-Eval-Print-Loop. 14:48:09 i mean print loop of slime 14:49:05 I would advice against learning a language just by seeing what the REPL says. 14:50:05 i cant define any macros yet :( 14:50:35 Abezethi`: Learning a language is about learning the difference between grammatical and idiomatic phrases, be it a natural langauge or a programming language. A book will give you the idiomatic ones, and tell you why the others aren't, whereas the REPL will gladly let you type any grammatical phrase. 14:50:53 bigjust [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:50 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:53:26 Abezethi`: ... and defining macros is something that comes later, after you understand the evaluation model, and know how to define functions, and use control structures. 14:54:52 beach: i tried to read same of the codes from the projects on common-lisp.net but i cant understend clearly,, I know how to write application C++ and Java (and same of the other languge) but i guess i have to learn lisp to impruve my view. I studied same Haskell before... I guess i am ready to lurn lisp.. 14:55:40 Maybe so. You should probably work on your English spelling as well at some point. 14:56:12 beach: you are right! thanks for your comment 14:56:32 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: -> cafe] 14:58:30 Abezethi`: if you already know C++ and Java, I'd recommend going with PCL anyway. And definitely brush up on your english, it's hard to communicate otherwise 14:59:14 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.17.188.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 15:00:38 darkmag [~vfalico@guest-docking-nat-1-099.ethz.ch] has joined #lisp 15:00:59 -!- tsuru [~charlie@c-174-50-217-160.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:10 timack [~tim@hlfx50-2-142177100228.ppp-dynamic.dial.ns.bellaliant.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:53 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 15:05:13 -!- Abezethi` [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:07:17 -!- bigjust [~user@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:30 Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 15:10:51 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:10:51 *Abezethibou* Terrible connection.. 15:13:03 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.114.97.47.plusnet.thn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:14:02 Abezethibou, your English is largely comprehensible but in "yesterday! i ask same of the books and information about CL on that channel" it's unclear if you meant "this channel" 15:14:02 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.57.45] has joined #lisp 15:15:10 -!- zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:15:50 zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:08 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:21:47 -!- Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:24:37 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 15:25:04 pixel__ [~pixel@p4FC527CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:08 -!- BladeRunner [~bladerunn@24-107-123-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has left #lisp 15:26:06 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.57.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:26:18 gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:37 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:11 rvirding [~chatzilla@h19n4c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 15:29:57 Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 15:31:57 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:34:26 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:53 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 15:36:15 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:37:52 -!- timack [~tim@hlfx50-2-142177100228.ppp-dynamic.dial.ns.bellaliant.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:38:14 risent [~risent@ip-67-202-107-128.static.chi2.systeminplace.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:48 -!- darkmag [~vfalico@guest-docking-nat-1-099.ethz.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:43:09 -!- Steven_ [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:25 kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-248-51.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 15:44:46 hello lispers 15:45:58 -!- dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:47:21 -!- Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:51:28 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:52:52 xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@58.41.24.74] has joined #lisp 15:53:54 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 15:55:08 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.199.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:56:20 -!- risent [~risent@ip-67-202-107-128.static.chi2.systeminplace.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:09:02 do you use yasnippet when writing you projects ? 16:09:38 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.17.188.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 16:10:04 Never did. Don't even know what yasnippet is. 16:11:02 pjb, it's meant to write snippet of course I don't know if it works even for CL 16:11:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76Ygeg9miao seems proising 16:11:32 promising 16:13:20 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:36 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 16:15:45 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:16:12 -!- xyxxyyy1 [~xyxu@58.41.24.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:19:32 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 16:20:43 lest [~user@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-12-30.telecom.by] has joined #lisp 16:24:33 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 16:26:22 maxigas [~user@dsl51B6535D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 16:27:40 Does somebody know how the author of web4r? 16:27:44 the website is down 16:27:58 i am trying to get it working on my server after developing an app locally 16:28:11 but i can't do asdf-install because the website is down 16:28:18 http://web4r.org 16:28:19 :( 16:29:00 pavelludiq [~user@87.246.58.137] has joined #lisp 16:29:21 -!- lest [~user@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-12-30.telecom.by] has left #lisp 16:29:34 -!- pavelludiq [~user@87.246.58.137] has quit [Client Quit] 16:30:33 e-future [~e-future@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 16:32:54 yeppa, YASnippet is coooool 16:35:05 portage is at sbcl 1.0.19?! waat. that's 2 years old! 16:35:48 debian stable is at SBCL 1.0.18.debian 16:37:37 nikodemus, you have to use the overlay 16:38:01 gentoo is at 1.0.42 16:38:04 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-202-240.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:38:13 *sbcl on gentoo 16:38:17 trebor_home [~email@178.4.31.214] has joined #lisp 16:38:40 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-202-240.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:17 nikodemus, more or less lisp is maintained on gentoo lisp overlay 16:40:01 i have no idea how things work on gentoo 16:40:25 just reading planet.lisp and being shocked at the state of things 16:41:17 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:41:26 I haven't already seen planet.lisp 16:41:36 I go to have a sight 16:42:59 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 16:46:11 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:49:20 wow sbcl win32 threads are really a good news (even if I've no windows at all) 16:49:40 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:48 -!- benny [~user@i577A8424.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50:15 -!- maxigas [~user@dsl51B6535D.pool.t-online.hu] has left #lisp 16:50:56 hmm. Kent Pitman suggested that one way to deal with the issues with FEXPRs would be to require corresponding macro definitions to any defined FEXPR. This sounds a lot like having compiler macros for regular old functions. 16:51:06 *sykopomp* was reading http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Special-Forms.html 16:52:08 sykopomp: you may want to read about the Kernel Programming Langauge to get a more insightful (and IMO more correct) view of fexprs 16:52:14 wow more than 30 years old 16:52:20 drewc: I was just reading the kernel report, actually. 16:52:55 sykopomp: well there you go :) 16:52:59 drewc: Or trying to. I don't really understand a lot of the details. 16:53:37 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:38 and I don't think I've come across (yet?) what their solution is to the efficiency issues surrounding FEXPRs 16:53:38 benny [~user@i577A3F5C.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:53:44 it's a 200-page report, though :\ 16:55:02 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:15 i'm not sure one in particular is offered (nor is it clear that there are effectiency issues associated with FEXPRs), but an easy solution would be partial evaluation 16:55:22 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-174-140-140.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:01 drewc: don't FEXPRs require a lexical environment to be present at runtime? Plus, partial evaluation still doesn't beat "all code has already been generated". 17:01:17 i'm confused about what you mean by the first question.. but partial evaluation is equivalent to 'all the code has already been generated' 17:02:53 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:03:05 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 17:03:14 drewc: My (probably mistaken) understanding is that you need to carry around a (heavier) first-class representation of the lexical environment when you expect FEXPRs to work, as opposed to compiling them into plain old activation records. 17:03:37 (and I apologize in advance for my lack of understanding, I'm still working my way through LiSP) 17:05:09 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 17:07:49 -!- ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:18 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:10:33 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:12:11 -!- s1gma_ [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:12:32 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:21 homie [~user@xdsl-84-44-252-121.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:14:28 wbooze [~user@xdsl-84-44-252-121.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:16:17 ivan4th [~ivan4th@212.1.228.48] has joined #lisp 17:17:07 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:17:11 sykopomp: your understanding seems sufficient. i think that again partial evaluation of something like Kernel's primatives is the answer. 17:17:28 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050066047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:19:47 drewc: but can you do partial evaluation when using FEXPRs as first-class objects? (namely, applying/reducing/etc, as opposed to just calling them on a literal argument list) 17:20:01 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:20:39 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:21:39 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:22:18 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:22:34 If you can't, wouldn't that end up with "well, this is an okay feature and all, but don't use it because unless you use the literal version, it'll be too slow." 17:22:41 well, it's turtles all the way down.. you peval as far as you can. Of course you can't compile it infinitely away in all cases, but in those cases it's impossible to use a macro, so there's no performance loss 17:23:21 but you still need to carry around the heavy environment at runtime, because of the one feature. 17:23:24 in kernel, environments are first class anyway. 17:23:42 right. 17:23:48 -!- rednum [~bizon@193.59.98.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:24:02 as opposed to being conveniently eliminated at compile time, you have to carry that weight with you the whole time. 17:25:01 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host210-10-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:25:04 only if you're using it. 17:25:51 But how much can you really minimize its weight if you _ever_ use it? 17:27:25 only as fas as is possible to still implement the features you require, of course. 17:27:29 as far* 17:27:53 I mean, continuations have a similar effect on the compilation and efficiency of Schemes, don't they? (or are continuations a non-issue when unused, in this day and age?) 17:29:14 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 17:29:15 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 17:32:17 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 17:33:10 well, in an interpreter you need stack frames anyway. In a compiler, you're most likely going to transform to CPS at one point regarless, so in a simple language like scheme used to be, it's no big deal to allow access to that continuation 17:38:54 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:25 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-12-192.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 17:42:56 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:13 trebor_h` [~email@178.4.24.221] has joined #lisp 17:45:18 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-67-161-117-56.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:18 -!- trebor_home [~email@178.4.31.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:49 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 17:52:42 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:53:34 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful 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[~chatzilla@h19n4c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:26:18 I'm having troubles with installing hunchentoot..... 19:26:22 it just hangs..... 19:26:31 Dranik: what lisp implementation? 19:26:37 sbcl 19:26:40 (on what platform?) 19:26:40 Riastradh [debian-tor@fsf/member/riastradh] has joined #lisp 19:26:51 rvirding_ [~chatzilla@h19n4c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 19:26:54 (Ubuntu 10.04) 19:27:02 compiled with threads? 19:27:26 I'm hacking paredit 22. Any requests for it? Frustrations with paredit 21? Other feedback on paredit? 19:27:27 what I'd really like to use is Portable AllegroServe, but it also throws an error.... ((( 19:27:37 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@h19n4c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:27:51 why would you want to do that? 19:29:21 oh.. probably because gigamonkey used it. If only hunchentoot were around at the time :( 19:30:11 drewc, it says "debugger invoked on a SB-KERNEL:BOUNDING-INDICES-BAD-ERROR in thread #: 19:30:12 The bounding indices 0 and 7 are bad for a sequence of length 0. 19:30:12 ING {AA5E579}>: 19:30:12 The bounding indices 0 and 7 are bad for a sequence of length 0. 19:30:12 " 19:30:30 Riastradh: integrating octothorpe or making it work with zero modifications 19:30:36 so, I'm really upset and don't know how to deal with it 19:31:02 -!- rvirding_ [~chatzilla@h19n4c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:31:20 stassats, I've merged paredit-delimiter-space.el. I have two issues with merging paredit-cl-octothorpe.el: it's incomplete, and it's specific to Common Lisp -- and completing it would make it even more specific to Common Lisp. 19:31:37 Or rather, I have two issues with including paredit-cl-octothorpe.el in paredit.el proper. 19:33:23 I'd be a little happier with a separate paredit-cl.el that customizes paredit for Common Lisp, though I have always wanted to avoid supporting any sort of customization in paredit in the past. 19:35:41 Dranik: calm down, take some deep breaths, have a cup of tea. Then, remove all anything ubuntu has installed that's at all related to lisp. Then, grab an tarball of the latest sbcl release. Once that's working, /join #quicklisp to get a copy of quicklisp, which you will use to install hunchentoot 19:35:43 -!- blitz_ [~blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:58 drewc, ))) wait a minute I have to google what's quicklisp. btw, should I really build sbcl by mysqlf or may I use Ubuntu repository? 19:37:29 Dranik: you don't have to build it; grab a binary release. 19:37:47 pkhuong, Wow, great! 19:38:04 timack [~tim@hlfx59-1-37.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 19:42:38 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:48:30 -!- davazp [~user@184.Red-79-154-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:32 e-future [~e-future@a89-152-187-244.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 19:50:32 -!- e-future [~e-future@a89-152-187-244.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Changing host] 19:50:32 e-future [~e-future@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 19:51:21 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:56:55 Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 19:58:12 gonzojive [~red@c-76-126-115-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:14 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:59:00 i am experiencing strange things with hunchentoot. for unknown reason, some responses are just not sent - hunchentoot sends headers with Content-Length: 0 and closes connection. what's more, i only get this behavious with one particular query to database, other queries with the same code work perfectly fine. 19:59:29 -!- gonzojive [~red@c-76-126-115-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:59:38 the query returns regular results, no different than other queries. i tested code which generates html code and it seems to work fine. 19:59:54 it's like hunchentoot ignored the string returned in handler. 20:00:36 i also recall i had similar problem a few months ago when i was playing with hunchentoot, but i didn't care back then. 20:02:24 hello, i want to read hiperspec on emacs (i do not want to show the site insite the firefox). How can i do? 20:02:34 emacs-w3m 20:03:45 stassats: thank you 20:03:59 Google suggests that at one can find the HyperSpec in Info format. 20:04:31 (I haven't confirmed this myself.) 20:04:38 trebor_home [~email@178.4.26.30] has joined #lisp 20:06:46 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050064235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:07:15 Riastradh: do you know a way to add this file into slime system .. 20:08:15 i didn't find dpans2texi to be really usable 20:09:52 Abezethibou: install and configure emacs-w3m, then get hyperspec.el (I think some form is even included in SLIME) and point it to a place you unpacked HyperSpec to 20:13:08 -!- Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:15 stassats: slime-bind-key in the defadvice for eldoc-display-message-no-interference-p ??? 20:13:31 that sounds totally wacked 20:14:39 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.49.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:15:14 who put it there? 20:15:56 Certainly not me :-) 20:16:18 heller 20:16:20 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.145.163] has joined #lisp 20:16:39 Anarch [~olaf@c-67-171-37-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:21 timor [~timor@port-92-195-26-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 20:18:21 Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has joined #lisp 20:18:44 *Abezethibou* return to the haven .. 20:20:33 -!- e-future [~e-future@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:22:54 rednum [~bizon@193.59.98.98] has joined #lisp 20:24:28 stassats: M-. into emacs C source is cool :-) 20:24:43 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:25:01 but M-, doesn't take you back from there 20:26:36 I'm used to use M-* in that case anyway from ECL where the same is possible and the same applies 20:31:46 -!- Abezethibou [~user@212.253.210.17] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:32:04 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-61-51.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:32:36 -!- Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:33:26 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:32 Blkt [~user@net-93-151-225-193.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 20:35:18 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@unaffiliated/stattrav] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:25 Tordek [~tordek@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #lisp 20:39:19 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:30 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:40:27 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:33 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-57-82-249-33-112.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:41:07 I hate GNU style ChangeLog entries :-) 20:41:44 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 20:41:49 what style do you prefer? 20:43:15 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:43:17 -!- Adlai` is now known as Adlai 20:44:52 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:06 Aeolic 20:46:04 stassats: I'd bet on "intelligent" 20:46:11 GNU style isn't intelligent at all 20:46:23 what's the difference? 20:46:40 between GNU's and others? 20:47:00 who needs changelogs anyway, there are diffs 20:47:20 -!- rednum [~bizon@193.59.98.98] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:47:38 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:48:33 diffs don't tell you why things where changed. Commit logs might. Changelogs sometimes give more detail. 20:48:48 Of course, I rarely do changelogs. 20:49:23 -!- vandemar [spin@2001:470:1f10:56b::4] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:52:35 i wonder how feasible would be to have FIND on vectors behave like the following: (defun find-in-vector (item vector) (when (typep item (array-element-type vector)) (find item vector))) 20:53:20 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-36-82-251-59-13.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:54 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:14 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-27-163.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:54:41 That's something the programmer should know 20:54:43 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-64-48.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:56:44 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-40-32.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:57:01 or warning on (find 2 (the bit-vector vector)) 20:57:17 sbcl could do that 21:01:48 francogrex [~user@109.130.82.68] 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