00:00:32 -!- Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-34-31-251.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:00:43 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@64.254.165.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:01:11 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-87-183-157.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:03:01 antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-97-226.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:10:17 -!- ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:11:18 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:11:24 HarryS [H@2001:470:892c:3432::1] has joined #lisp 00:12:37 -!- atomx`` [~user@93.112.81.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:29 atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has joined #lisp 00:15:25 ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has joined #lisp 00:16:24 -!- HarryS [H@2001:470:892c:3432::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:17:48 -!- erflynn [~user@ip153038.uvm.edu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:18:41 -!- srolls [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:20:04 -!- _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:07 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:52 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:24:13 -!- ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:25:17 Well, I think this is the best I can do now with slime char completion. After I hear back from Paul and get his ok, I'll submit a patch for slime. 00:25:22 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@202-180-88-252.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:26:03 Oops. Still need to implement support for cjk unified ideographs and hangul syllables, and the semi-standard characters. 00:26:32 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.3.254] has joined #lisp 00:26:59 stassats: Around? 00:27:05 yep 00:27:15 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 00:27:59 (defun make-keyword (symbol) (export (intern (symbol-name symbol) (find-package 'keyword)) (find-package 'keyword))) ;; Is this good enough? It turns a symbol into keyword (got asked by another lisper about it) 00:28:34 -!- Blkt` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-238-79.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:43 (intern (symbol-name symbol) 'keyword) 00:29:09 that is all 00:29:39 ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has joined #lisp 00:29:53 right. 00:30:03 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:30:11 I'm not exactly sure why I always use (find-package)... 00:31:03 because you don't know that intern uses it too? 00:31:04 p_l: alexandria:make-keyword 00:31:13 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 00:31:32 yeah, (string symbol) would be better 00:31:50 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 00:32:26 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 00:33:32 -!- Patzy [~something@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:35:04 stassats: Wanted your opinion on getting char completion into slime. For the next snapshot, I think the cmucl side of the completion code will be available. But the completion code could be used for any unicode capable version. So, would you mind including cmucl-side in swank-cmucl? Maybe conditionalizing out the stuff if cmucl already contains the necessary functions? 00:35:58 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:36:03 i'll include it, no problem 00:38:58 Ok. I'll send a patch for swank-cmucl.lisp in a day or three. 00:39:08 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:41:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:43:07 -!- m7d [~lriley@pool-71-102-237-143.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: m7d] 00:43:28 -!- gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:43:31 -!- ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47:55 ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has joined #lisp 00:48:26 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@user-0c99ag2.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.9/20100824144458]] 00:50:02 -!- Anarch [~w3@elrond.hsl.washington.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:50:26 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 00:51:11 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-84-44-250-250.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:51:43 homie` 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challenge in allowing completion of packages before they have been loaded? it would be nice if we could index the systems dir and add those words to a completion dictionary ahead of time? 01:10:08 maybe i've overlooked something? 01:10:14 -!- atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:10:50 derrida: ACL has such facility 01:11:37 hmm, i wonder how non-trivial it would be to bring into slime for sbcl. 01:11:50 p_l: do you know if the aclrepl in sbcl contrib has that feature? 01:12:12 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:17 derrida: no, it's related to implementation details of ACL 01:12:21 appears not to 01:12:22 ah 01:12:27 -!- caoliver [~oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com] has left #lisp 01:12:49 namely, it can have the symbols "available", but the fasls containing them aren't loaded till you actually try to access them 01:14:12 is it really useful? 01:15:46 it's sort of annoying :P 01:16:33 do you often complete symbols which you have no intention to use? 01:16:51 no? :P 01:17:07 i type the name of my project every time i start using the repl though? 01:17:19 (require 'project-name) 01:17:31 you can preload it 01:17:54 preload? 01:18:01 by saving it into the core? 01:18:04 yes 01:18:11 is that sensible? 01:19:15 this is your project, how do i know? 01:19:35 i was under the impression i only want things i use *every* time and update rarely in the core, putting all my current projects that i'm hacking on in there seems ... 01:20:43 then i don't understand what problem are you trying to solve 01:21:22 ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has joined #lisp 01:21:44 lisp_noob [~shootgun@c-67-161-189-250.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:49 i've just wondered why tab-completion is not available on packages in the context of (require 'pro) 01:22:10 derrida: but it is! 01:22:34 ,l-spack :) 01:22:50 ah true :P 01:23:00 i always forget you can do that 01:24:10 that counts as in that context? 01:24:15 p_l: well, not to beat the horse .. but, that makes it seem pretty feasible to make tab do the same thing at the slime repl :P 01:24:39 patches are welcome 01:25:01 it's easy to do, but i don't need it, so you'll how to do it yourself 01:25:10 derrida: you just need to add the same thing and hook it to some code recognizing ASDF and require 01:25:15 seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 01:25:29 it would be nice to get quicklisp support as well :D 01:26:31 i'll poke around :) 01:30:02 -!- timack [~tim@hlfx59-1-161.ns.sympatico.ca] has left #lisp 01:31:04 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-236-168.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:31:42 -!- ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:32:19 -!- atomx` [~user@93.112.81.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:25 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:08 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:34:10 abugosh [~Adium@pool-108-15-19-17.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:56 ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has joined #lisp 01:42:48 rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-27-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 01:44:21 troussan [~user@c-24-245-15-191.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:45:00 -!- schmrkc [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:45:06 schmrkc [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 01:45:08 -!- ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:48:12 derrida: you could also just set up your init file to always load your system if you are regularly working in the same context. 01:48:14 -!- antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-97-226.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:48:25 Or, with a little more effort, set up a special SLIME context. 01:48:41 That would give you freshly compiled code w/ less effort. 01:49:02 or better, don't stop your lisp 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The completion code looks fairly complete. Time to send it off to the slime folks. 03:43:40 Good morning (or evening, as the case may be)! 03:44:33 -!- tsuru [~charlie@c-174-50-217-160.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45:58 -!- ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46:02 The_Jon_Smith [~The_Jon_S@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:46:49 -!- TomJ [~tomj@89.241.155.73] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:48:33 -!- salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: salva] 03:48:55 ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has joined #lisp 04:00:33 -!- ericklc [~ikki@189.247.158.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:02:20 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:31 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:06:59 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 04:11:56 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:13:05 TomJ [~tomj@89.241.155.73] has joined #lisp 04:13:37 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:16:38 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:19:50 -!- tcleval [~funnyguy@187.114.114.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:19:52 antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-97-226.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:20:15 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21:41 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:34:18 -!- TomJ [~tomj@89.241.155.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:35:46 Having character completion is pretty nice. I don't type in character names too often, but it sure is handy when you can't remember the codepoint or exactly what the character name is. 04:39:01 TomJ [~tomj@89.241.155.73] has joined #lisp 04:50:54 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-76-118-76-200.hsd1.vt.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:56:36 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:57:13 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:58:41 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-33-35.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:59:33 -!- pchrist_ [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:00:08 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 05:01:55 Khisanth [~Khisanth@pool-96-250-33-35.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:05:48 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:12:21 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: bombshelter13b] 05:13:08 -!- ski [~slj@c-3810e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14:01 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 05:19:13 anyone with lispworks or allegro around? 05:22:42 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114614 # interested implementations other than SBCL, CMUCL and Clisp 05:23:06 s/ed impl/ed in empl/ 05:26:45 ECL? 05:32:13 echo-area [~echo-area@114.251.86.0] has joined #lisp 05:32:28 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 05:33:10 bandu [~coyotama@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 05:33:42 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 05:34:49 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:36:58 sure 05:37:41 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:38:03 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 05:40:51 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 05:42:23 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-15-104.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 05:42:32 -!- rbarraud [~rbarraud@118-92-27-88.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:43:08 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:43:41 -!- sepp2k_ [~sexy@p548CB7DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: sepp2k_] 05:44:07 nikodemus: lispworks 6 on linux returns (:MACRO :CMACRO) 05:47:26 -!- antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-97-226.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:47:29 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:47:48 Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 05:50:15 antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-97-226.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:52:22 mal__: thanks 05:54:46 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 05:55:33 -!- antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-97-226.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:55:44 What's the correct answer? 05:57:07 i *think* (:MACRO :CMACRO) is technically legal, but (:FUN :CMACRO) seems infinitely preferable, and i think at least as legal 05:57:37 but i haven't really managed to figure out if the spec says anything sensible about the lexenv of a compiler-macro expansion 05:58:37 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:02:00 It probably doesn't matter much, because expansions of compiler macros would typically use only package-local symbols and symbols from CL, and it is not allowed to rebind symbols from the CL package in a macrolet, right? 06:03:10 But I agree with you. The idea that a macro would capture symbols in the expansion of a compiler macro seems unappealing. 06:09:38 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:09:58 dialtone [~dialtone@c-67-180-50-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:09:58 -!- dialtone [~dialtone@c-67-180-50-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:09:58 dialtone [~dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has joined #lisp 06:10:53 beach: yes 06:11:29 i need to finish my cl port of psyntax some day... 06:21:20 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:32:24 fusss [~chatzilla@cpe-184-59-202-37.new.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:33:03 *fusss* found Baker's critique of DK Lisp a most fantastic exposition on kernel language design http://www.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/CritLisp.html 06:36:50 -!- bandu is now known as coyo 06:41:15 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 06:41:33 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:42:17 anyone know of a sufficiently documented/researched language with integrated persistence? all I know of are extensions and libraries 06:45:39 -!- pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 06:47:35 good morning 06:53:08 beach: do you think using a completely custom readtable is enough to escape interning of symbols in reader? 06:57:57 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 06:58:46 fusss: why is having a feature hardcoded into the implementation desirable? 06:59:42 fusss: hum, any implementation (if any) of Linda using databases for tuple space? (random guess.) 06:59:42 fusss: one could argue that dump-image systems have this... 06:59:55 hello mvilleneuve 07:00:05 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:00:16 p_l: Are you saying you don't want any symbols to be interned? 07:02:24 p_l: That would be tricky. It seems you would have to define every constituent character to invoke a custom reader macro that essentially does the same as the tokenizer does. I suppose that could work, but it's a lot of work to get everything right, such as floats. 07:02:39 beach: yeah. Well, I just found that it's not exactly possible unless I macroize all usable characters, but it seems that preprocessing the string in a certain way and using a disposable temporary package. 07:02:47 *package might work. 07:03:27 p_l: It is probably much easier to take pjb's reader and remove the word `intern'. :) 07:03:45 hahaha 07:04:00 *beach* needs to take off for work, and will talk to you later. 07:04:59 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:06:05 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 07:07:04 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 07:09:05 thx 07:09:28 *p_l* is at work actually, but might need that non-interning reader at some point :) 07:11:10 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-121-233.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:11:14 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Client Quit] 07:11:41 araujo [~araujo@190.199.102.96] has joined #lisp 07:11:41 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.199.102.96] has quit [Changing host] 07:11:41 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[~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 09:58:08 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-167-60.static.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 09:58:11 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 10:01:37 jdz: My wife often uses a similar device: "I am way to polite to point out that " 10:02:36 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:03:51 spiaggia: yeah, that's kinda cute. there's also this one (when the guests are leaving): "Oh, too bad you are leaving at last..." 10:04:56 Nice! 10:05:20 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 10:06:59 In my view, not every Lisp object is a CLOS object, and that's one of the fundamental differences between CL and Dylan. The latter actually has a pervasive object system, whereas CL only pretends to have it in a couple of places. 10:08:33 that's if you look at CLOS from the CL point of view, as opposed to looking at CL from the CLOS point of view. 10:13:16 execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has joined #lisp 10:18:09 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:23:29 vng [~vng@1.139.39-62.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #lisp 10:23:56 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 10:25:00 vng: Your language has too many words! 10:25:49 spiaggia: yeah, but the grammar is not difficult 10:25:53 -!- rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@118-92-15-104.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:25:58 spiaggia: i think so 10:26:11 vng: Right, so far it is relatively easy. 10:26:27 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 10:27:14 vng: I am watching a short film about clean energy, and the first two passages have 60 words that I have never seen before :( 10:27:50 vng: develop, exploit, modernization, hydro-electric power, solar power, project, capital, etc, etc, etc. 10:28:18 spiaggia: ah 10:28:26 -!- gko [~gko@111.83.20.249] has quit [] 10:29:34 spiaggia: it's just copound words 10:29:53 I love the way you say "just". :( 10:30:11 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:30:52 spiaggia: :) 10:31:13 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.3.254] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:32:33 spiaggia: but when you know individual one, you can guess the meaning easily 10:35:30 That might be true, once you know enough of them. But right now I am trying to do the inverse, i.e. from an English word such as "construction project" trying to remember te Vietnamese choice of compound words. 10:36:36 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:38:00 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:38:53 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:39:17 I mean, why "tėm kim" rather than "kim tėm" for instance? 10:40:35 spiaggia: It's the same, just different in the way you say 10:41:27 spiaggia: I cant 10:41:38 spiaggia: I can't explain why it is 10:43:07 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:43:17 vng: Well, it looked like a direct question, but it wasn't, just a rhetorical one. I know languages are kind of arbitrary. 10:43:31 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 10:44:20 spiaggia: right! 10:47:17 vng: But you gave me a good hint. It will probably be easier to memorize compound words if one first memorizes them as their components. I'll try doing that more than before. 10:47:44 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 10:47:54 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 10:49:08 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 10:49:14 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 10:49:48 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Client Quit] 10:50:34 pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has joined #lisp 10:50:35 spiaggia: yeah, I think my language depends mainly on vocabulary. 10:50:40 rednum [~bizon@193.59.98.98] has joined #lisp 10:50:44 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 10:51:37 spiaggia: many word can make from another one. 10:51:59 Right. 10:53:54 Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050067107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:54:05 salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 10:56:48 -!- HarryS is now known as Guest22288 10:57:08 -!- Guest22288 [H@harry.lu] has quit [Quit: QUITTING IRC FOREVER] 10:57:57 -!- peter_` [~user@125.34.40.14] has left #lisp 10:58:01 HarryS [H@harry.lu] has joined #lisp 11:02:48 -!- HarryS [H@harry.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:05:38 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:29 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 11:07:03 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 11:09:28 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 11:11:19 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:17:58 -!- potatishandlarn [potatishan@c-098572d5.026-58-73746f25.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 11:18:05 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:18:32 fusss: for "sufficiently documented/researched language with integrated persistence" have a look at http://www.software-lab.de/down.html 11:19:09 hlavaty: woah, picolisp has persistence? 11:19:23 fusss: picolisp seems to pack a lot :D 11:19:45 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:19:53 fusss: yes 11:20:17 freik [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 11:20:28 ogamita [~user@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:20:30 #lisp 11:20:46 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:26 fusss: meaning "persistent storage", not "persistent data structure" 11:21:33 yes 11:21:44 -!- freik [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 11:21:47 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 11:21:58 hlavaty: how does it integrate persistence? 11:22:14 via external symbols that are persisted in db 11:22:20 i know from cl it's fashionable to have a persistent metaclass 11:22:30 external symbols? 11:22:38 picolisp isn't common lisp 11:23:03 i know, but what exactly is an external symbol (I am guess not related to packages) 11:24:04 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@116.227.199.58] has joined #lisp 11:24:10 no, picolisp doesn't have packages 11:24:38 external symbol is a built-in kind of symbol that is persisted in db 11:25:06 nice 11:25:22 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-dlibtfjzopdayjcw] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:25:41 p_l: it does ;-) 11:26:09 Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:28:14 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.53.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:29:02 coyo|pingout [~coyotama@pool-71-164-238-210.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:29:54 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.149.136] has joined #lisp 11:30:11 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 11:30:34 hlavaty: are you the author? 11:31:18 -!- coyo [~coyotama@unaffiliated/bandu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:31:26 fusss: no. you can talk to the author at #picolisp 11:31:47 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: sellout] 11:32:12 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 11:33:21 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 11:33:43 alright 11:33:51 gotta go now 11:33:52 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@cpe-184-59-202-37.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.9/20100824153629]] 11:35:23 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-87-183-157.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:35:38 not compiled, pasted into repl 11:37:08 -!- zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:37:54 -!- ogamita [~user@60.Red-80-34-44.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:53 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-201-223.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 11:43:31 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@85.48.202.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:43:33 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:44:34 huh, sbcl has a facebook topic page now. http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/SBCL/110842685606734 11:47:40 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:48:36 urandom__ [~user@p548A6C70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:49:41 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:53:22 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:53:34 xan_ [~xan@46.204.192.61.tokyo.bflets.alpha-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:54:12 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 11:54:25 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:57:21 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 12:01:13 nikodemus: heh, nice 12:01:27 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 12:01:31 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 12:03:14 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 12:03:19 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 12:04:08 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:04:15 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 12:04:15 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:38 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 12:07:03 Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 12:08:13 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 12:08:28 hankhero [~Adium@c213-89-201-154.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 12:09:02 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 12:09:55 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:51 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 12:11:09 execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has joined #lisp 12:11:13 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 12:12:03 How can you invoke a writer method with apply (writer is a variable): (setf (apply writer m) 'something) does not work. 12:12:16 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 12:12:16 freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has joined #lisp 12:13:37 sbcl says SETF of APPLY is only defined for function args like #'SYMBOL. But if I want to use a variable and not a constant function. 12:16:29 omakase [~omakase@204.14.159.139] has joined #lisp 12:17:21 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 12:19:51 -!- omakase [~omakase@204.14.159.139] has quit [Client Quit] 12:20:46 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 12:22:48 sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 12:29:26 (apply writer new-value ...) 12:31:40 thanks nikodemus 12:31:48 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:33:57 sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:35:13 -!- ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:02 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 12:38:31 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 12:50:47 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@pool-74-106-252-24.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:51 frodef [~frode@shevek.netfonds.no] has joined #lisp 12:51:06 -!- boaz_ [~boaz@125.167.140.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:51:37 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vygimhgmhbcqmjjx] has joined #lisp 12:53:46 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:54:45 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.149.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:56:19 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.115.208.6] has joined #lisp 12:57:29 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 12:58:35 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@vallila-gw.hupnet.helsinki.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:58:48 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:59:32 jmbr [~jmbr@mac512.mat.ucm.es] has joined #lisp 12:59:55 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03:15 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@mac512.mat.ucm.es] has quit [Client Quit] 13:03:46 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04:43 dlowe [~dlowe@c-98-216-106-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:10 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:16 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:27 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:09:09 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:03 -!- jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:47 jmcphers [~jmcphers@218.185.108.156] has joined #lisp 13:11:01 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:11:47 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:17 Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:17 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 13:16:28 -!- Rearden [~John@209-217-211-155.northland.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:20:52 yakov [~yzaytsev@183.49.62.92.nienschanz.ru] has joined #lisp 13:20:58 hey 13:21:36 Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has joined #lisp 13:21:37 does anybody use sbcl on windows in real world? 13:21:44 in production. 13:25:55 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26:00 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 13:26:00 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 13:26:00 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #lisp 13:26:18 yakov: they'd want to be brave :) 13:27:05 luis: Are you here? 13:27:48 I see no stable opensource full-featured common lisps avail on windows :-( 13:27:59 might be i missed something 13:28:04 yakov: CCL? 13:28:18 ah. right! 13:29:18 -!- Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp118-208-150-37.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29:56 there are sbcl production users on windows, actually, at least judging by the support requests on mailing lists and irc 13:30:30 people hacking out the kitten-of-death message because their customers don't want to see it, and so on 13:30:54 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Quit: Adamant] 13:32:21 CET [~Caleb@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 13:33:37 -!- CET [~Caleb@125.167.140.159] has quit [Client Quit] 13:34:00 mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has joined #lisp 13:34:11 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has quit [Changing host] 13:34:11 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 13:34:44 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vygimhgmhbcqmjjx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:35 yakov: CCL is full-featured on Windows. SBCL on Windows is reasonably full-featured, if you use dmitry's installer. The differences between CCL/win32 and dmitry-SBCL are mainly the same differences as on other platforms. 13:39:21 *splittist* double clicks the sbcl-1.0.40-threads-2.msi 13:42:36 -!- echo-area [~echo-area@114.251.86.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:30 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:45:50 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:48:14 tcr: yep 13:48:27 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 13:51:44 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-236-203.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:51:50 homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-236-203.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:52:53 luis: foreign-struct-slot-set-form specialized on aggregrate-struct-slot expands to a call to (setf foreign-struct-slot-value), passing the slot's name, but it expects actual slot instances not their names 13:53:15 lichtblau: is "dmitry-SBCL" the sbcl-1.0.40-threads-2.msi splittist talks about? (or, where can i find it)? 13:53:53 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-84-44-250-250.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:54:36 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-84-44-250-250.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:59:36 ok, found the msi 13:59:56 -!- TomJ [~tomj@89.241.155.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:08 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:00:41 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:01:48 -!- Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:02:47 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:50 Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:03:45 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 14:05:38 TomJ [~tomj@89.241.155.73] has joined #lisp 14:06:00 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:07:05 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-236-203.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:07:15 -!- wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-236-203.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:08:41 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:12:27 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:13:29 homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-236-203.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:14:24 Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:14:26 luis: Did you reply anything? 14:15:23 Hey; I think I've asked for it here several moths ago, but I just forgot how to do it :(. Imagine, that I have a list at runtime, ie. '(+ (* x 2) 2) ; and I want to convert it to code, like (lambda (x) <>), so it can be executed 14:15:26 how do I do that? 14:17:05 eval 14:17:58 or compile 14:18:36 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:18:55 tsuru [~charlie@c-174-50-217-160.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:19 -!- lusory [~bart@bb121-6-220-65.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:41 boaz_ [~boaz@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 14:22:58 wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-236-203.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:23:04 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-223-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:24 lusory [~bart@bb119-74-190-127.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 14:24:56 thanks, eval-based solution seems to work :) 14:25:39 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:56 Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:28:48 -!- rednum [~bizon@193.59.98.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:38:56 -!- rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:40:34 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:51 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 14:41:00 execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has joined #lisp 14:41:27 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 14:42:03 qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:24 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 14:47:03 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:49:06 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:49:17 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 14:49:34 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:50:30 rrice [~rrice@adsl-76-253-135-9.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:50:49 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:52:34 ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has joined #lisp 14:53:53 -!- Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:55:24 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 14:55:26 -!- rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:56:17 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:26 tcleval [~funnyguy@186.213.57.73] has joined #lisp 14:56:44 brandonz [~brandon@24.38.183.236] has joined #lisp 14:57:04 poincare101 [~root@rrcs-98-100-238-218.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:57:13 -!- Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:57:57 mvillene1ve [~mvilleneu@che33-1-82-66-18-171.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:13 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:58:22 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:58:22 -!- mvillene1ve is now known as mvilleneuve 14:59:03 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-78-36-167-60.static.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:24 sepp2k [~sexy@p548CB7DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:48 splittist_ [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 15:00:48 -!- splittist_ [~splittist@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:01 hm, on CCL (DIRECTORY #P"/home/*/") evaluates to NIL 15:01:05 tcr: IIUC, I think that's in launchpad already. I'll confirm later. 15:01:12 same thing on sbcl lists my home 15:01:15 as expected. 15:01:31 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:01:34 im on ccl1.5p 15:01:39 ccl1.5. 15:03:17 yakov: On windows? 15:03:23 linux! 15:03:30 ubuntu10.04 15:03:49 trying to rewrite my dot.sbclrc for ccl... :-( 15:04:26 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:08:37 yakov: What are you using the result of that for? 15:08:58 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0AD18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:09:27 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:10:14 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has left #lisp 15:10:32 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:34 to get all subdirs of particular dir 15:11:11 yakov: Right  but in this case. 15:11:13 EG, do you just want to use (user-homedir-pathname) instead? 15:11:16 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 15:11:31 Which would also work on non-linux machines. 15:12:24 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:13:05 I've always thought USER-HOMEDIR-PATHNAME was a really odd mix of longform and shortform names 15:13:08 tmh [~user@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 15:13:14 nono. it was a bad example. actual code is (DOLIST (DIRECTORY +LISP-DIRS+) (PUSHNEW DIR ASDF:*CENTRAL-REGISTRY*)) 15:13:14 Greetings lispers. 15:13:53 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 15:15:15 yakov: Try removing the trailing / 15:15:25 same NIL 15:15:30 Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:16:26 yakov: What's the value of +LISP-DIRS+? I wonder if there's something else in there CCL doesn't like. 15:16:49 assume its plain "/home/*/" 15:17:06 DIRECTORY even does not work with that! 15:17:08 I'm an idiot  I know what the problem is 15:17:26 ccl pathnames? 15:17:30 You need to pass ":directories t" as a keyword argument to get directoryes as results. 15:17:45 luis: I think it's triggered when you use to set a struct slot to another struct or union  which I guess is not supported; a nicer way to fail would be nicer of course 15:17:50 I'm sure gb has a long post somewhere about why that is. 15:17:51 sellout, thx! :-) 15:17:52 s/use/try/ 15:19:04 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 15:19:24 Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:20:08 chiguire [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 15:21:23 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 15:21:38 srolls [~user@c-76-126-221-48.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:19 carlocci [~nes@93.37.217.255] has joined #lisp 15:22:57 Good evening everyone! 15:23:31 -!- rsynnott [rsynnott@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:23:34 Hello beach 15:23:40 good evening beach! 15:23:59 -!- levene__ [levene@lanczos.maths.tcd.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:24:06 beach: Where are you at with your private lisp implementation? 15:24:36 BTW who knows if its possible to get sources of latest CL-HTTP? 15:25:15 Ive wrote to Rainer but he does not reply :-( 15:25:45 jmbr [~jmbr@221.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:25:47 tmh: I prefer to think of it as "modules for implementers of CL". The conses module is pretty much done, I am working on the sequences module, and it should be done in a few weeks at most. The reader is well on the way. Format is finished except for floating point printers. The conditions module is finished. And I have several setf expanders done as well. 15:25:53 I want to steal vrml generator from there ;-) too lazy to write my own at the moment 15:26:15 tmh: Loop hasn't progressed for a while. I do syntax analysis, but no semantic analysis and no code generation yet. 15:26:29 rme [~rme@pool-70-106-139-149.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:01 beach: Are you still interested in the routines for accurately reading floating point numbers? I haven't done anything with those, but was looking at the code the other day and had the itch to get it done. 15:27:41 tmh: I have an implementation of all cases but the last one as written by Gay. 15:27:59 tmh: Including the special case that Clinger didn't recognize in his paper. 15:28:08 beach: What case is that? 15:28:21 tmh: Let's see if I remember... 15:28:32 beach: obviously I don't, I can look at the paper again. 15:29:25 tmh: It's when the mantissa and the exponent are not possible to represent as exact floating point numbers, but there is a factor F so that mantissa*F and exponent/F both have such a representation. 15:30:17 tmh: And that covers almost all cases, so it almost isn't worth fiddling with the last case, but I probably will anyway one day. 15:30:27 beach: What did you do for the extended precision routines? write your own? 15:30:45 tmh: Those are not needed by the Gay paper. 15:30:47 beach: Let me pull up the paper. 15:30:54 mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has joined #lisp 15:30:55 I'm not familiar with that paper. 15:31:03 Oh! 15:32:22 Correctly Rounded Binary-Decimal and Decimal-Binary conversions I think is it. 15:33:18 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:33:19 beach: You have just saved me the painful work of implementing the extended precision routines. That was really why I haven't finished my implementation, I was absolutely dreading implementing those. I *really* need to see that paper now. 15:33:40 tmh: wait what about extended precision do you need? 15:33:48 jdz [~jdz@host107-111-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:34:03 tmh: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=4A5D96FD076D2C89A850979EEC1E7DAC?doi=10.1.1.31.4049&rep=rep1&type=pdf 15:34:04 Is extended == arbitrary? 15:34:34 Quadrescence: It was needed by the method in the paper by Clinger, but David Gay has a method where it is not required. 15:34:42 I see. 15:34:48 Quadrescence: what beach said. 15:34:50 -!- yakov [~yzaytsev@183.49.62.92.nienschanz.ru] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:35:17 -!- jdz [~jdz@host107-111-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 15:36:12 beach: Just read the abstract, is the source still on netlib? 15:36:28 tmh: I don't know. 15:36:57 Even if it is, it won't be Lisp. 15:37:14 That's ok, I still like to read others. 15:37:26 I see, yes. 15:38:39 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754315.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:58 Alright, have to set the aside for some real work. Thank you very much, beach. That reference is awesome. I haven't been idling on #lisp in a long time and now realize that I've been missing out. :-) 15:41:05 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:41:50 abend [~user@alpha.muted.org] has joined #lisp 15:42:04 -!- bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has quit [Quit: Asta la vista] 15:44:04 tmh: Glad I could help :) 15:45:56 tcr: yep, you're right. 15:47:30 *sykopomp* is getting paid to lisp today! 15:48:56 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 15:49:33 HG` [~HG@xdslak173.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 15:49:42 sykopomp: So why are you idling on #lisp. Get to work! ;-) 15:50:41 *sykopomp* is working! 15:51:01 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 15:54:58 *beach* would like to be paid to spend time on #lisp as well. 15:57:44 -!- weirdo [sthalik@sthalik.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Quit: reboot\] 15:57:57 with the vast crop of lisp millionaires now ripening I'm sure there'll be a position for a lisp Jono Bacon. Or perhaps roving bands of purity police... 15:58:33 slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0AD18.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:58 *Fade* laughs 16:00:05 ziarkaen_ [~ziarkaen@87.115.199.20.homesurf.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:14 There's nothing pure about lisp. 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This is lat. I'm using my son's computer. My computer on the same lan can't connect to freenode. Any ideas why? I miss this channel! 17:47:30 I can connect to several other channels, but not freenode. 17:47:31 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:44 freenode is a network, not a channel 17:48:55 Yes, I know. 17:49:42 I meant irc servers. 17:51:17 I cannot ping the freenode servers. I mean, pinging them fails. 17:52:32 Not being able to ICMP ECHO REQUEST doesn't mean you can't connect, often people block such packets at their firewalls. 17:53:38 Trying to log on gives connection timed out errors. 17:53:50 Okay, that's a bit more serious. 17:54:05 Your LAN goes via NAT to the ouside world? 17:54:19 Yes 17:54:46 Check your resolve.conf / nameservers, your routing tables, and so on, on both machines. 17:56:26 is your ip dynamic? 17:57:05 pmd, yes. 17:57:41 check if your current address is blacklisted 17:58:05 sometimes it happens... 17:58:28 Shouldn't happen if the two machines are going through the same NAT box. 17:58:30 considering that he is here, i doubt it 17:58:47 err, right. i thought none of them were on freenode 17:59:14 stassats`, I'm here with a different computer. 17:59:27 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-104-162-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:59:38 but with the same IP address 17:59:51 or not? 18:00:11 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:27 Not sure. I'll check. 18:00:38 Another (less likely) possibility is that your NAT box is out of memory for new connections in some sense. 18:00:43 timor [~timor@port-92-195-26-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 18:00:44 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-26-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Client Quit] 18:01:36 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:01:53 Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:03:06 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:03:28 dostoyevsky [sck@oemcomputer.oerks.de] has joined #lisp 18:04:37 i was debugging something in slime now and i noticed that the package used to print each frame is not the same that is bound in the sldb frame 18:04:49 which makes it harder to jump to definitions 18:05:01 stassats`, both computer are using the same ip address. 18:06:19 s/sldb frame/sldb buffer/ 18:07:54 Yuuhi [benni@p54839F79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:36 nyef, usually there are only 2 or 3 of us using the Internet at a time. 18:10:52 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has left #lisp 18:11:25 -!- ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:29 ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:38 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13:58 You'd pretty much have to be messing with torrents in order to exhaust a NAT box with that few users. 18:15:17 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:15:51 or he has a windows pc on his network with a trojan/worm/whatever sending out thousands of spam messages each on its own stream. :) 18:16:22 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:16:43 Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:17:28 TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia / AS17974 IS AT THIS TIME RANKED POSITION 10 OF THE 20 WORST BOTNET HOSTERS WORLDWIDE. 18:18:08 My isp in blacklisted! 18:18:48 run your irc connection through TOR 18:18:54 and we see a ghost? 18:19:23 Fade, what is TOR? 18:19:32 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:19:32 it's an anonymising onion router 18:19:51 http://www.torproject.org/ 18:20:17 Fade: Exit nodes are blocked from some places, though. 18:20:23 it'll introduce signifigant latency, but it should allow you to connect, unless the freenode admins have also blacklisted TOR paths. 18:20:40 Odin-: *nod* 18:21:03 Fade: well, but boaz_ is connected here using this PT. TELKOM INDONESIA 18:21:59 boaz_: message the freenode admins, and/or your isp's customer service dept. #lisp is not the place for this discussion. 18:22:12 -!- poincare101 [~root@rrcs-98-100-238-218.central.biz.rr.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:22:35 Yes, and there is at least one other computer that can also connect. 18:23:14 Fade, ok. Thanks for the help, you guys! 18:24:22 Phoodus [foo@174-17-246-43.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:02 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:27:05 -!- rednum [~bizon@193.59.98.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:27:58 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 18:28:57 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslak173.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:30:11 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.148.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:31:44 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.187.249] has joined #lisp 18:33:05 astalla [~astalla@93-36-227-249.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 18:36:20 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 18:39:52 bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 18:43:44 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-234-1-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:12 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:46:26 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:46:27 Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:48:22 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 18:49:25 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Quit: dreish] 18:49:41 *Fare* fixes a bug in XCVB and is back in business. XCVB .536 compiles itself. 18:49:45 poincare101 [~root@rrcs-98-100-238-218.central.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:50:22 where can I find a good tutorial for writting DSL's in Clojure or Common Lisp? 18:52:13 good question. 18:52:33 language design is a vast topic of its own. 18:52:47 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:52:50 any tutorial on DSLs may do, and be directly applicable, really 18:52:52 mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has joined #lisp 18:52:52 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@89.145.84.152] has quit [Changing host] 18:52:53 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 18:53:07 (except that it's easier in Racket, what with syntax-parse and all) 18:53:07 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #lisp 18:54:40 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.1] has joined #lisp 18:55:36 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-233-194-239.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire.] 18:56:27 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Client Quit] 18:56:27 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082B763.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:43 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p4FCDF06A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 19:00:16 Avisch [~Avisch@dhcp056-070.openport.buffalo.edu] has joined #lisp 19:00:29 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5B327D9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:04:23 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:04:29 -!- tcleval [~funnyguy@186.213.57.73] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:52 -!- leod [~LeoD@eta-ori.net] has left #lisp 19:06:12 tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:06:38 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:10:35 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:12:24 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:52 loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:52 -!- loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-80.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:13:52 loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has joined #lisp 19:17:21 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 19:19:20 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:19:40 Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:26:22 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:34:54 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:36:22 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 19:36:42 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:39:18 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.187.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:39:37 Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.114.187.249] has joined #lisp 19:40:30 I've a macro, that appends to list. I also want it to be somehow unique and identifyable, without explicit noting, so when I recompile it in emacs, I wouldn't make duplicates in the list. How could I make the macro expandings unique? 19:40:35 -!- TeMPOraL` is now known as TeMPOraL 19:43:43 ?? 19:44:13 gensym is unique, but ... 19:44:24 i don't know what you want, or how...' 19:44:52 and use once-only maybe from paip ? 19:45:18 that's at least all i got from hoyte's book as of now... 19:46:52 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:47:37 s/all/what/ 19:48:28 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 19:49:15 -!- tmh [~user@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has left #lisp 19:54:09 aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 19:54:39 mattrepl_ [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has joined #lisp 19:56:48 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:56:55 sie: basically pushnew except appending? 19:59:04 -!- mattrepl_ [~mattrepl@208.78.149.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00:16 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-205-96.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 20:00:27 frito [~user@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:02:12 alms_ [~alms_@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:03:21 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 20:07:00 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-70-112.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:18 hypercube32 [~hypercube@125.155.202.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:14:37 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:16:27 -!- jmbr__ [~jmbr@221.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:32 jmbr__ [~jmbr@221.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:18:57 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:20:34 -!- frito [~user@cpc2-sotn4-0-0-cust13.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:35 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:21:40 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:02 -!- jmbr__ [~jmbr@221.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:09 jmbr__ [~jmbr@221.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:24:06 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:31:37 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181058025.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:31:42 francogrex [~user@109.130.82.68] has joined #lisp 20:31:52 sdsds [~sdsds@dyn-16.sub2.cmts01.cable.TORON10.iasl.com] has joined #lisp 20:35:27 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 20:35:29 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:36:53 gnooth [~test@ip98-176-79-151.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:45 -!- jmbr__ [~jmbr@221.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:46 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host160-182-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:37:59 jmbr__ [~jmbr@221.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:38:20 -!- salva [~salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has left #lisp 20:39:19 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:53 ls 20:42:19 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 20:42:44 mk2 [~user@159.92.64.121] has joined #lisp 20:42:50 ddp [~ddp@c-67-169-77-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:01 -!- ddp [~ddp@c-67-169-77-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #lisp 20:43:09 is using load-time-value instead of a closed-over variable good/bad? 20:43:13 *Fare* puts bit-borax to kill the mold that bitrot the xcvb release code. 20:43:26 stassats, what for? 20:43:36 load-time-value is great for computed constants. 20:43:49 if it's a variable, use a variable. 20:43:57 if it's a constant, use load-time-value 20:44:28 (let ((cache (make-hash-table))) (defun ....)) vs. (defun ... () (let ((cache (load-time-value (make-hash-table)))) ...)) 20:44:45 jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-25-94.chs.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:37 i consider load-time-value because it preserves top-levelness 20:46:55 -!- e-future [~e-future@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:47:34 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:47:38 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.120.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:49:25 ok, i'll use l-t-v and see what comes out 20:50:08 though, closure might be more efficient 20:50:53 ikki [~ikki@189.247.120.187] has joined #lisp 20:51:46 antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-97-226.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:53 -!- astalla [~astalla@93-36-227-249.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 20:55:32 slyrus_ [~slyrus@adsl-75-36-215-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:56:35 dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 20:56:45 yes, toplevelness preservation is good 20:57:14 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.82.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:39 -!- slyrus_ [~slyrus@adsl-75-36-215-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:53 slyrus_ [~slyrus@adsl-75-36-215-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:10 -!- The_Jon_Smith [~The_Jon_S@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #lisp 21:03:19 ltv turns out to be a little bit faster, though insignificantly 21:04:36 shouldn't be about speed 21:05:01 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 21:05:06 that cache was for optimization 21:06:44 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 21:17:38 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:18:26 -!- jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-25-94.chs.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:19:22 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:22:14 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-223-208.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:50 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-205-96.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 21:26:21 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-205-96.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 21:27:36 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.17.188.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 21:29:01 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-205-96.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 21:29:09 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:30:03 ForestLisper [~user@88.240.60.84] has joined #lisp 21:30:11 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo] 21:30:24 Hello 21:33:22 Hi 21:33:41 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:33:42 i am a newbie on lisp 21:33:54 welcome 21:34:07 and also on emacs :) 21:34:30 thats why i cant use erc properly 21:34:31 ForestLisper: Join the club. 21:35:08 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:35:32 Fare: What unit testing tool do you like? 21:35:46 ... if any. 21:35:55 i read "ANSI Common Lisp" by paul graham 21:36:14 that's not the best read 21:36:14 but do not complate yet .. half of it 21:36:42 minion: PCL? 21:36:42 PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 21:36:43 i will read on lisp 21:37:13 ForestLisper: PCL is a pretty good book. On Lisp is more advanced. 21:37:13 how about ON LISP 21:37:15 neither On Lisp is a good introductory text 21:37:57 my plan is that, Ansi common lisp, after Pratical Common Lisp than On lisp 21:38:07 isnot it good way? 21:38:10 :( 21:38:30 well, you could skip ANSI Common Lisp altogether 21:38:38 minion: graham crackers? 21:38:38 graham crackers: http://www.cs.northwestern.edu/academics/courses/325/readings/graham/graham-notes.html 21:38:53 books to consider reading after PCL: PAIP, Keene, AMOP 21:39:02 minion: PAIP 21:39:03 PAIP: Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp by Peter Norvig. http://www.cliki.net/PAIP 21:39:05 minion: AMOP? 21:39:06 AMOP: The Art of the Metaobject Protocol, an essential book for understanding the implementation of CLOS and advanced OO. See the sepcification of MOP at http://www.lisp.org/mop/ 21:39:10 minion: Keene? 21:39:11 Keene: "Object-Oriented Programming in Common Lisp: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS" by Sonya E Keene. http://www.cliki.net/Keene 21:39:41 reb: I hate testing. But I hate the lack of it even more. 21:40:08 reb: the things I test are usually shell-accessible infrastructure, that gets tested with ad-hoc shell scripts. 21:40:12 i have paip 21:40:13 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-83-249.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:40:17 is there a ASCI external format for sbcl too ? 21:40:22 do you know a good shell unit test framework? 21:40:32 for fare-utils, I used stefil and liked it. 21:40:37 Sadly I don't. 21:41:03 I'm going to give stefil a try for my protocol buffer project. 21:41:15 Fare: Have you considered swiping SBCL's system for running shell scripts as part of its test suite? 21:41:22 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-45-27.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:41:22 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-3-61.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:41:22 homie: only ASCII 21:41:36 sbcl has no ASCI external format 21:42:31 -!- Avisch [~Avisch@dhcp056-070.openport.buffalo.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:38 (What on earth -is- an "ASCI" external format, anyway?) 21:42:56 I have a format string, that consumes n arguments. Also I have a list, that contains the arguments. How do I pass them to format taking into account that the format string is arbitrarily baroque, so I cannot loop {} over the arguments? (I realize I'm missing something totally basic in CL) 21:43:26 -!- reb [~user@nat/google/x-bhuwxigegefrnyda] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:42 antoszka: APPLY #'format LIST-OF-ARGS ? 21:44:13 nyef: Will try, thx. 21:45:06 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:45:35 for baroque lovers: (format t "~@{~?~}" "~a" '(foo)) 21:45:46 stassats: thank you for all commonet.. PCL, PAIP, Keene, AMOP 21:45:47 nyef: works great. 21:46:06 You're welcome. 21:46:58 oh, just (format t "~?" "~a" '(foo)) 21:47:06 though, that's not baroque enough 21:47:43 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:47:58 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has left #lisp 21:48:09 does PCL have a printable version? 21:48:21 in the store, i believe 21:48:48 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:48:52 Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-12-132.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:48:56 nyef: well, asdf already had its own, so I left it at that 21:49:10 and xcvb is completely different, and I built my own ad-hoc thingie 21:49:46 Odin-` [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 21:51:05 -!- Odin-` [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Client Quit] 21:51:21 ill be back 21:55:23 ForestLisper: There's PDF floating around the net. Though it's been pulled from the Author's site. 21:55:42 cl-launch also has its own thingie 21:57:57 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:57:59 *Fare* uses the cl-launch self-test and fixes two typoes that broke clisp and ccl in the previous latest cl-launch... oops. 21:58:10 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:58:57 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Quit: Ping.] 22:07:41 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p4FF0AD18.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:08:34 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 22:09:20 -!- hypercube32 [~hypercube@125.155.202.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:09:20 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:09:20 is this error normal for sbcl frrrrrrrrom cvs ? 22:09:23 File-error in function LISP::FD-OPEN: 22:09:23 Error opening #P"ext-formats:unidata.bin", No such file or directory. 22:09:52 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-53-63.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo] 22:10:33 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:11:00 hypercube32 [~hypercube@68.202.155.125] has joined #lisp 22:11:58 or do i have to disable the :sb-unicode thing for sbcl ? 22:12:28 ... That doesn't even look like an SBCL package. 22:12:31 that error is not from sbcl 22:12:40 oh 22:12:51 For that matter, isn't that an LPN? 22:12:59 it's probably a search list 22:13:01 (cmucl) 22:13:11 Looks like an LPN to me. 22:13:17 eheh, i was ussssssssssssing cmuclllllll for bootstrapping 22:13:22 sry 22:13:31 also, fix your keyboard repeat rate 22:13:37 But then, I haven't used CMUCL in ages. 22:13:49 Krystof: Hey, how's the intel video drivers working out for you now? 22:14:18 -!- loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15:08 I've been finding my current setup tolerable, bit if I change the status of the external video connector (attach or detach a monitor and run xrandr) and then play a video, I get an X crash with a message about a batchbuffer problem. 22:15:19 i don't know where that fucking shit comes from... 22:15:28 that sounds like the kind of thing I was getting. Is yours an 855GM? 22:15:37 homie: wash your mouth out with soap 22:15:42 Not sure. 22:15:57 it's kaffeine streaming not cleanly...' 22:16:06 nyef: lspci | grep Graphics maybe? 22:16:21 in any case, yes, 2.6.36-rc4 is way better 22:16:34 anything which uses caches here like iceweasel, kafeine all things in the category java is like that... 22:16:37 (than anything since they turned kernel-mode switching on in Debian testing) 22:16:42 "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device a011" 22:17:00 I'm running 2.6.35.4, actually. 22:17:04 -!- xinming [~hyy@115.221.9.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:17:07 as soon as i turn that off, this keyboard stuttering thing goes off 22:17:28 nyef: that is missing a huge pile of intel fixes that are in 2.6.36-rc4 22:17:49 Really? Guess I have something to look forward to, then. 22:18:19 Updated both my main systems to 2.6.35.4 a couple weeks ago, which substantially improved both, and then tracked down the module that was causing hibernation failure after about 5-6 cycles on my PPC. 22:18:57 xinming [~hyy@115.221.9.252] has joined #lisp 22:20:07 and sometimes databases like mysql and postgres do that too.. 22:20:08 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:24 I'm considering moving my intel box from debian lenny + some stuff from squeeze at one point to squeeze, but I'm not sure I should do it yet. 22:20:41 no not yet 22:20:47 don't 22:20:54 i was there 22:21:12 Since my PPC box is running squeeze without major problems right now. 22:21:34 (Okay, squeeze plus some stuff I had to build myself...) 22:21:52 hmmm, ok maybe you should ... 22:22:42 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.17.188.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 22:22:58 I had to have some stuff from squeeze just to get the wireless and video working at all on my intel. 22:25:55 cpape [~cpape@f053003171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:26:29 there was a point, i would debootstrap a lenny, whithout my network cards modules, cause i thought that would be automatically in there... 22:26:31 lol 22:26:46 s1gma_ [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 22:26:54 then rebooting and wondering what happened... 22:27:17 Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp118-208-70-112.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:57 *rtoym* optimizes character completion for hangul syllables and cjk ideographs 22:28:21 sid3k` [~user@li140-93.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 22:29:06 -!- ForestLisper [~user@88.240.60.84] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:29:09 -!- heaumer_ [~heaumer_@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:29:38 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-70-112.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:29:58 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181144155.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:07 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:30:07 -!- rsynnott [rsynnott@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:30:07 -!- sid3k [~user@li140-93.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:30:09 killed it again... 22:30:09 timack [~tim@hlfx64-1-64.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 22:30:23 -!- _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:30:23 -!- zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:30:48 rsynnott [rsynnott@spoon.netsoc.tcd.ie] has joined #lisp 22:30:53 rtoym: i haven't viewed your patches yet, but there is swank-backend:with-symbol which does #.(cl:if (cl:find-symbol ... stuff 22:30:53 zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:03 it's not a problem, i'll changed, just for the future 22:31:14 *i'll change it 22:31:21 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@f050067107.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:31:36 Oh, I didn't know that. But yeah, go ahead. If there's a problem, I'll let you know. 22:31:43 hm, it's actually homophonic 22:32:30 swank-backend:with-symbol looks like too much to type, i should export it from SWANK instead 22:32:32 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.1] has joined #lisp 22:32:55 stassats: in the context of #+ you need to qualify it anyways... 22:33:22 that's why i said what i said 22:34:01 right. I stopped reading at 'export it'. I should go to sleep. Good night. 22:35:26 -!- BladeRunner [~bladerunn@24-107-123-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:35:48 BladeRunner [~bladerunn@24-107-123-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:36:53 -!- timack [~tim@hlfx64-1-64.ns.sympatico.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:37:22 -!- erk [~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:37:35 erk [~MrEd@about/apple/iPod/BeZerk] has joined #lisp 22:38:40 timack [~tim@hlfx64-1-64.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 22:39:17 -!- aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:42:01 davazp [~user@184.Red-79-154-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:05 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:35 Adlai [~Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 22:45:37 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:49:16 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-93-201-223.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:51:07 huhh 22:51:19 anyone know if it is possible to have two defmethods for the same generic method 22:51:26 but with different amounts of optional arguments? 22:51:53 no 22:51:55 make it take a &rest? 22:52:11 make it &key 22:52:14 you can do multiple &Keys 22:53:03 Sikander [~soemraws@5356ECA7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #lisp 22:53:56 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p54839F79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:55:09 i'll try that, thanks 22:59:37 -!- Sikander [~soemraws@5356ECA7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:03:50 -!- sepp2k [~sexy@p548CB7DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:07:25 -!- Edward_ [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-12-132.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 23:10:08 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 23:16:10 sepp2k [~sexy@p548CEACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:37 drwho [~drwho@c-68-63-83-105.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:24 -!- coyo|pingout [~coyotama@pool-71-164-238-210.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: client closed in haste] 23:22:12 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:52 rvirding [~chatzilla@h19n4c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 23:28:53 What comparison is used in (case ...)? Can't find in the CLHS. 23:29:01 eql 23:29:31 eq is the most general? 23:29:47 and equal is the most specialized ? 23:29:54 stassats: So I can't base a (case ...) statement on strings? 23:29:56 or vice versa ? 23:30:02 antoszka: you are right 23:30:05 (defvar *item-vat* "zw") 23:30:06 *item-vat* 23:30:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 23:30:10 (case *item-vat* ("zw" "zw.") (22 "22%")) 23:30:12 nil 23:30:29 stassats: So a cond would be suitable, right? 23:30:35 theory meets practice! 23:30:51 antoszka: depends on what you're doing 23:31:18 -!- drwho [~drwho@c-68-63-83-105.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: A known mistake is better than an unknown truth.] 23:31:21 stassats: Just a match as shown above. 23:31:42 not enough information to answer your query 23:31:57 Of course, there's the ever-popular STRING-CASE macro. Shouldn't be hard to google for. 23:32:08 nyef: Ah, thanks. 23:32:29 Still the wrong solution, though. 23:32:37 there are many options, like hashtables, or alists 23:32:38 Though I'm dealing with a variable, that can either have a string value of "zw" or a numerical value of n. 23:33:00 And need to base a switch-construct on that. 23:33:12 01:30 < antoszka> (case *item-vat* ("zw" "zw.") (22 "22%")) 23:33:16 As simple as that. 23:33:20 (except this doesn't work) 23:33:38 (cadr (assoc *item-vat* ("zw" "zw.") (22 "22%"))) 23:33:59 let me digest that :) 23:34:00 and pour enough paranethesis 23:34:30 like (cadr (assoc *item-vat* '(("zw" "zw.") (22 "22%")) :test #'equal)) 23:34:39 (if ( *item-vat* "zw") "zw." (format nil "%d%%" *item-vat*)) ? 23:35:09 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:35:18 nyef: that's better, judging there's only a single string value, thanks 23:36:06 pixel__ [~pixel@p4FC526B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:37:01 -!- bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:37:44 If there's more than one string value, either use STRINGP or a COND for the various strings. 23:38:38 Yes, I'd probably end up with a COND, but this is compact and just right. 23:41:16 -!- mk2 [~user@159.92.64.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:28 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:44:10 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 23:45:15 -!- cpape [~cpape@f053003171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1] 23:47:24 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A6C70.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:14 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:49:54 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:50:11 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-202-240.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:50:28 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Quit: Bar.] 23:51:01 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc5-bour5-2-0-cust340.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:51:10 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-202-240.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 23:52:27 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:57:02 Edward_ [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-12-132.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:57:40 -!- symbole [~user@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:11 -!- rdd [~rdd@c83-250-48-164.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]