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Is that no longer supported by CFFI? 08:23:14 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 08:27:02 Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:28:24 I'm compiling my project and sbcl tells me The vaule (EACH) is not of type IRC-CONNECTION, where irc-connection is my struct and each is (loop for each in connections, and I somewhere did (irc-connection-something each), so that prolly caused the error. Buy why? Compiler doesn't know what's in connectin list, yet, does he? 08:31:15 In some cases it may infer it, yes. 08:31:37 So what do I do? :> 08:31:43 Correct it. 08:32:09 You may use http://paste.lisp.org/ to show it us. 08:33:16 slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1C1D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:33:21 Phantom_Hoover [~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:33:48 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34:01 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 08:35:55 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114443 > pjb 08:37:10 <_3b> what does with-connection look like? 08:37:38 sie: check the syntax for with-connection. Perhaps it takes an expression directly, without the parentheses around EACH. 08:37:54 My first macro ever written: http://sprunge.us/FDPC 08:39:14 <_3b> you either need more () in the macro lambda list, or fewer in the call 08:39:36 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-117-146.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:39:42 <_3b> it probably won't work anyway though, since it looks like it has , in the wrong places 08:39:46 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.226] has joined #lisp 08:40:27 sie: see, your with-connection macro expects a connection, at macroexpansion time! 08:40:28 Oh, hmm. I need it only before the connection, right? 08:40:40 So you cannot pass it a list such as (each). 08:41:04 <_3b> also the (irc-connection-thread thread) looks wrong 08:41:19 _3b, Noticed that just now. :] 08:41:20 And since macroexpansion probably occurs at compilation time, you should ask yourself whether it's meaningful to determine irc connections at compilation time, and what they could then mean at run-time. 08:41:44 <_3b> and defining variables in a macro that are visible to &body code passed to the macro is frequently considered bad style 08:43:10 So I need to (irc-connection-something ,connection) right? 08:44:09 <_3b> that would probably work better, but still be subtly broken 08:44:27 Tell me why, please. 08:44:34 <_3b> since it would evaluate the form passed to the macro multiple times, so if it has side effects, they would happen each time 08:44:46 <_3b> while users of the macro would only expect it to happen once 08:44:48 sie: http://paste.lisp.org/display/114443#1 08:45:14 (with-connection (my-thread (get-a-connection)) (do-something-with my-thread)) 08:45:32 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 08:46:03 <_3b> pjb: i think the intent was for CONNECTION to be the var visible to the body, not THREAD 08:46:09 minion: casting? 08:46:09 casting: Casting Spells in Lisp is a tutorial about macros, at http://www.lisperati.com/casting.html 08:46:30 Well, the body can use EACH. 08:46:43 sie: have a look at "Casting Spells in Lisp". 08:46:53 pjb, Okay, thanks. 08:47:16 <_3b> actually, looking at the usage of the macro, i don't have the slightest idea what it is trying to do 08:48:29 <_3b> sie: in that defmethod, is (irc-connection-thread connection) supposed to be (irc-connection-thread each)? and same for the irc-connection-socket call 08:49:08 <_3b> or is it trying to use the CONNECTION that was the argument to the macro, or was it trying to use the CONNECTION that was bound in the LET in the macro? 08:49:33 <_3b> (note that the CONNECTION bound in the LET looks like it should be a socket, not an irc-connection) 08:50:16 <_3b> and the CONNECTION in the lambda list of the macro isn't visible to that code 08:50:33 -!- red1ynx [~Dzmitry@91.149.140.201] has quit [Quit: red1ynx] 08:50:34 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-43-3.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 08:52:28 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-22-105.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:54:50 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:07:33 levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 09:08:13 -!- aceluck [~aceluck@175.137.79.23] has quit [Quit: aceluck] 09:09:59 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:22:13 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:22:20 -!- Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:22:59 -!- djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:22:59 -!- Guest41436 [~seejay@plexyplanet.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:23:26 Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:26:25 seejay [~seejay@plexyplanet.org] has joined #lisp 09:26:54 -!- seejay is now known as Guest57586 09:31:03 djinni` [~djinni`@li14-39.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 09:32:40 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 09:33:27 iisjmii [~iisjmii@128-240.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #lisp 09:33:28 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:36:39 Hello, I'm loading a shared library with cffi that is in the directory of my source code (./io.so). I'm making an asdf-package for my programme, my question is there a portable way of loading that file. Because the path "./io.so" does not work when using asdf (ofcourse) 09:37:41 (I do not want to hard code the path [like "/home/coati/io.so"]) 09:39:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 09:42:21 iisjmii: *load-truename* may be of interest 09:42:44 you can use asdf:system-relative-pathname to get the path and push it in cffi:*foreign-library-directories* 09:43:51 Ralith, galdor, That will do it! 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Also, you already need to have an adviser, you cannot just apply for a program. Then many places will accept you only if your adviser has financial support. 12:24:22 Hello 12:24:28 hello new-lisper 12:25:15 beach: thx 12:26:32 p_l: Are you thinking of applying? 12:27:12 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 12:28:50 beach: not yet 12:28:55 just gathering information 12:29:12 p_l: OK, don't hesitate if you have more questions. 12:29:48 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-107.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:30:41 -!- OliverUv [~gandhi@34.81-167-250.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:30:52 *p_l* has 4 years more for his nearly-but-not-quite Masters degree 12:31:35 OliverUv [~gandhi@34.81-167-250.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 12:31:45 new-lisper: How is learning Lisp going? 12:32:06 beach: just going 12:32:40 beach: i am talking to some people on #archlinux 12:33:18 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:33:20 new-lisper: What about? 12:33:51 beach: random 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Did I misread that bit? 15:12:36 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.200.235] has joined #lisp 15:12:48 tcr: french is not that bad ;) 15:13:40 tcr: as Montreal is in the Province of Quebec, you have to have at least a medium French 15:13:41 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:13:50 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.50.102] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:50 Blkt` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-246-235.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 15:16:39 sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:44 -!- sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:17:01 sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:39 -!- Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-224-37.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:18:45 -!- Blkt` is now known as Blkt 15:20:26 SegFaultAX [~SegFaultA@c-98-234-1-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:36 well, I have 4 years ahead of me, got time to relearn my french, german and japanese... 15:22:54 -!- netytan [~netytan@85.211.61.150] has quit [Quit: netytan] 15:23:35 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 15:24:07 kakakakaka [~kaka@188.186.33.227] has joined #lisp 15:24:13 josemanuel [~josemanue@46.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:24:20 -!- iisjmii [~iisjmii@128-240.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has left #lisp 15:24:41 -!- kakakakaka [~kaka@188.186.33.227] has left #lisp 15:26:35 guh 15:26:41 this is really pissing me off 15:26:42 clisp sucks 15:26:50 but it's the only thing that'll run on this crappy server 15:27:45 so 15:27:51 asdf is difficult to setup 15:27:55 same with asdf-install 15:27:56 why won't sbcl run? 15:27:59 halp is appreciated 15:28:02 weirdo: not enough ram 15:28:08 I love sbcl though :| 15:28:12 zc00gii, how much ram? 15:28:33 uh, 512GB normal 15:28:41 it goes past the normal and into the burst 15:28:45 ? 15:28:47 DME will bitch 15:28:54 and I'll have to kill sbcl 15:29:14 weirdo: burst is RAM that's available, but you can't use it 24/7 15:29:59 then get a better server; besides, clisp isn't that bad if code is byte-compiled 15:30:12 its bytecode is very compact 15:30:14 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:30:14 weirdo: I'm not bitching about speed 15:30:31 I'm bitching about how shitty it is to get asdf and asdf-install setupo 15:31:02 zc00gii: why don't you use clbuild 15:31:17 quicklisp is the new black 15:31:20 I've been using asdf-install 15:31:26 and I'm not stopping 15:31:31 I use it on sbcl on here 15:31:33 I'm used to it 15:31:50 zc00gii: Hey, be open to changes 15:32:31 new-lisper: I don't want to learn it 15:32:36 I want to use asdf-install 15:32:44 zc00gii: even though quicklisp hasn't been officially released yet, it is definitely worth checking out. a very painless to get access to libraries 15:32:45 new-lisper: it's not that it's asdf-install's fault 15:33:13 I just can't get asdf loading it 15:33:35 zc00gii, what problem do you have with asdf??? 15:34:08 and what problems do you have with asdf-install? 15:34:14 Fare: none with asdf-install 15:34:20 I can't get asdf loading asdf-install 15:34:21 or anything 15:34:21 the asdf-install maintainer officially threw the sponge recently 15:34:29 what error do you have? 15:34:39 which asdf are you using? (I recommend 2.008) 15:34:49 I guess that 15:35:01 don't guess - ask it (asdf:asdf-version) 15:35:10 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:35:11 or grep version asdf.lisp 15:35:34 or grep VERSION: asdf.lisp 15:35:56 2.007 15:36:11 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:37:02 should work too unless you have an old CLISP. 15:37:14 2.008 better supports old versions of CLISP. 15:37:41 which clisp are you using? 15:37:44 -!- timor [~timor@port-92-195-225-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:57 oh, I found the issue 15:37:58 I think 15:38:14 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 15:38:16 what was it? 15:38:18 -!- seejay [~seejay@unaffiliated/seejay] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:41 -!- Krystof [~csr21@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:38:51 anyway, if you have a problem, use a paste bot 15:40:39 *new-lisper* is away because he went to the bookstore 15:40:47 seejay [~seejay@plexyplanet.org] has joined #lisp 15:40:49 -!- sentry [~sentry@63.sub-75-199-44.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:40:51 good to know 15:41:16 -!- seejay is now known as Guest61717 15:41:57 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:46 argh. M-x slime fails with: * ;; swank:close-connection: end of file on # 15:44:57 but i can start a server and M-x slime-connect just fine 15:44:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:29 *Xach* doesn't know where to begin to troubleshoot 15:46:30 brandonz [~brandon@pool-74-97-30-61.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:44 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.200.235] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 15:47:23 Xach: just try M-x slime again 15:47:57 It's probably an emacs bug; you can also try emacs 24 15:48:15 It worked on the second try if I opt not to create a new inferior lisp 15:48:43 tcr: re lp633911, where does CLHS prohibit () as a slot name? 15:49:37 where does it allow it? 15:50:01 well, it says slot-name must be a symbol, which () is 15:50:30 hah how stupid 15:51:07 *tcr* feels an urge to introduce terminology of "proper symbols" :-) 15:51:39 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.200.235] has joined #lisp 15:52:40 In that case the actual bug is somewhere deep down in pcl :-) 15:55:19 tcr: how widespread is this emacs bug? 15:56:40 No idea; I think it's at least in 23.x 15:56:53 Xach: So did trying it again work? 15:57:29 tcr: yes, if i answer "no" to "create a new inferior lisp?" 15:57:45 tcr: i guess it's because it uses the name as a boolean somewhere 15:57:48 -!- OliverUv [~gandhi@34.81-167-250.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:00 -!- hanneso_ [hannes@h151n2c1o1110.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:58:21 Xach: Sometimes the second attempt doesn't work also; the bug is Emacs not handling EINTR properly in its socket code 15:58:31 basically you just have to keep on trying 15:58:32 oh, that stinks. 15:58:46 -!- jyper_noscreen [~quassel@c-24-22-21-120.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:58:49 OliverUv [~gandhi@34.81-167-250.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:48 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:04:39 I know clbuild has a project skeleton command. Are there any other projects along those lines that are written in Lisp? 16:06:26 we fe[nl]ix 16:07:12 projects along what lines? 16:08:21 *stassats`* has some stupid project skeleton creating file 16:08:43 Fare: automatically creating a project directory foo, foo/README, foo/package.lisp, foo/foo.asd, foo/foo.lisp 16:08:58 *Xach* will probably make something like that today 16:09:35 Bronsa [~bronsa@host110-185-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:11:43 quickproject? 16:12:05 nothing especially quicklisp-related :) 16:12:22 just something to help minions get started quickly... 16:12:49 http://paste.lisp.org/display/114448 that's what i use when i remember that it exists 16:13:07 it shows that i didn't grok pathnames at the time it was written 16:13:50 heh 16:14:05 wasn't there an emacs based tool as well? 16:14:37 there is redshank for some skeletons, like defclass, etc. 16:15:30 yes, redshank does it in elisp and clbuild does it with shell scripting 16:15:38 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What does it do and why do I need it? 18:52:37 sie: I haven't seen the macro, but it's probably to prevent variable capture. 18:52:51 sie: in short, it generates a symbol which will be guaranteed to not be bound to anything existing. 18:55:23 daniel__ [~daniel@p5B326777.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:20 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 18:58:50 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5082A7A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:01:57 aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 19:02:51 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-21-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:14 slash_1 [~unknown@p5DD1CD85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:42 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.200.235] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 19:05:13 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1D4D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:06:46 pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-69-196.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:07:39 -!- wbooze` [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-190.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:07:48 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-190.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:09:50 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-21-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:11:18 homie [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-190.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:12:18 wbooze [~user@xdsl-78-34-244-190.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:14:08 TheLolrus [~Xarver@cpe-76-175-244-227.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:16:43 atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has joined #lisp 19:24:43 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@46.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 19:27:22 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7564e4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:33 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.160.125] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:49 brandonz [~brandon@pool-74-97-30-61.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:51 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 19:30:44 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:37:22 -!- atomx [~user@93.112.81.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:59 -!- aerique [~euqirea@aerique.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ...] 19:40:48 sheepz [~sheepz@84-50-140-194-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 19:41:37 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:41:51 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host110-185-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:42:46 ikki [~ikki@189.139.180.207] has joined #lisp 19:42:53 -!- prima_lux [~user@95.158.0.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:35 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Client Quit] 19:43:57 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:02 christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:32 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:52:11 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.200.235] has joined #lisp 20:00:43 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:27 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:29 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 20:02:31 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:02:53 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:06:29 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:06:41 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 20:08:33 drewc` [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:38 sykopomp, The macro: http://paste.lisp.org/display/114443#1  why couldn't one done it without the extra variable? 20:09:15 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:44 sie: You would be able to accidentally shadow wconnection lexically. 20:10:40 (let ((wconnection (something))) (with-connection (x y) wconnection)) 20:10:44 (is that right?) 20:10:50 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 20:12:26 -!- new-lisper [~daniel@c95339ea.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:12:53 mega1_ [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 20:12:53 sie: macros are expanded lexically, so variables inside macros can affect those around its lexical scope. It's a similar problem to using dynamic instead of lexical variables. 20:13:23 -!- TheLolrus [~Xarver@cpe-76-175-244-227.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:13:44 by using GENSYM, you ensure that the variable you're binding is unique. 20:16:00 -!- moah [~gnu@188.109.175.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:09 smanek [~smanek@c-98-206-218-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:32 -!- mega1_ [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:17:53 new-lisper [~daniel@c95339ea.virtua.com.br] has joined #lisp 20:18:23 -!- brandonz [~brandon@pool-74-97-30-61.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:18:54 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:20:42 -!- drewc` is now known as drewc 20:21:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21:31 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:15 hey Fare, how do feature dependencies work in asdf 2.0? 20:24:26 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 20:25:19 potatishandlarn [potatishan@c-098572d5.026-58-73746f25.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:25:24 or, rather, how are they *supposed* to work, because they apparently do not 20:27:38 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:31:23 *froydnj* is growing frustrated with asdf 2.0 20:33:34 I raised a discussion about optional dependencies which might be related to your issue at hand 20:33:47 a few weeks back in case you haven't seen 20:33:47 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:34:30 *_3b* 's understanding is that is one of those things that never worked 20:40:56 faux [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 20:42:17 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 20:42:53 LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-117-208.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:53 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:44:39 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:48:02 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 20:51:54 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:52:47 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 20:52:57 -!- slash_1 [~unknown@p5DD1CD85.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:53:08 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-43-3.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:55:57 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-47-147.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:56:11 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:57:26 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 21:01:20 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:01:56 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:20 netytan [~netytan@85.211.61.150] has joined #lisp 21:02:28 -!- netytan [~netytan@85.211.61.150] has quit [Client Quit] 21:03:03 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.55.216] has joined #lisp 21:06:31 tcr: apparently :depends-on with :in-order-to ( feature foo) do not work well together anymore 21:06:44 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:08:56 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 21:10:45 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 21:11:08 davazp [~user@205.Red-88-25-184.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:18 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:14 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:17:15 Edward_ [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-8-217.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:17:36 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:19:05 -!- Edward [~ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-26-167.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:24:18 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 21:24:57 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:33 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.160.125] has joined #lisp 21:28:41 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 21:28:57 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-47-147.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:29:52 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-48-184.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:30:11 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value.] 21:34:50 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:30 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:38:22 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:44:45 anyone here uses ucw? 21:48:47 -!- pdo [~pdo@dyn-62-56-69-196.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: pdo] 21:49:33 ucw ? 21:49:52 new-lisper: many people use private forks 21:50:01 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@erft-d932efb4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 21:50:08 what does it do ? 21:50:18 it is a lisp web framework iirc 21:50:41 ah, with an own server ? 21:51:17 i don't know, i have only heard of it, never used it 21:51:48 i only know cl-who and modlisp for apache 21:52:06 ucw -> uncommon web 21:57:23 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.176.200.235] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 21:58:27 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-215-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:00:14 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-117-146.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:10:44 christop` [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:23 -!- jajcloz [~jaj@pool-108-7-68-199.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: jajcloz] 22:12:24 -!- christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:10 -!- navigator [~navigator@p54896049.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 22:16:04 fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.82.120.13] has joined #lisp 22:17:46 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24:16 slyrus: good catch on the dylan thing. the context is carl asked to be added to planet lisp. i didn't want to do that, so i told him i'd point people his way. i didn't put that context into my post, though. 22:24:21 i should have. 22:26:28 sentry [~sentry@128.sub-75-199-109.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 22:28:03 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:29:36 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.82.120.13] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:30:26 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:31:57 FWIW, I'm OK w/ Dylan, Scheme, Clojure, etc... on Planet Lisp. Anything but newlisp or autocad lisp :) 22:34:13 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:08 slyrus: xlisp? :) 22:36:27 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:30 slyrus: Why not AutoLisp? It's on the Mac now, so it's fine ;) 22:38:33 syamajala [~syamajala@68-187-217-76.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:04 fwiw if planet lisp aggregated dylan/scheme/clojure blogs it'd be useless to me 22:39:29 because I'm not interested in those 22:40:31 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-98-14-173-5.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:40:52 *Xach* needs more CL blogs 22:40:58 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.160.125] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:03 Xach: exactly :) 22:45:09 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-174-139-221.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 22:48:30 H4ns [~user@static-64-61-115-26.isp.broadviewnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:26 ldunn [~user@d110-32-128-133.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:55:00 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:23 xinming_ [~hyy@115.221.15.227] has joined #lisp 22:56:20 sellout: ... autolisp is scary 22:56:31 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 22:56:44 it was also my first meeting with the name "lisp" 22:57:26 Hi. When I "compile file" in Slime, having code like this: (require 'cl-emb) .... (emb:blah ...), I get the package *EMB* not found error. Is there an elegant way to solve that apart from manually (requiring 'cl-emb) in the Slime buffer? 22:57:47 eval-when 22:57:49 (fortunately, I got first contact with code in Scheme R2RS) 22:58:01 antoszka: define an asdf system 22:58:24 adeht: for the program I'm writing? 22:58:35 yes, and make it depend on emb 22:58:50 ok, thx 22:59:26 -!- xinming [~hyy@122.238.73.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:08:56 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:11:11 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-215-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17:39 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:23:29 -!- Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: A subtle thought that is in error may yet give rise to fruitful inquiry that can establish truths of great value.] 23:24:04 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:25:10 -!- faux [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has left #lisp 23:27:59 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:30:40 -!- Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-246-235.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:02 Modius [~Modius@cpe-24-28-30-165.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:34:41 Kerrick [~Kerrick@kerrick.student.iastate.edu] has joined #lisp 23:35:27 -!- davazp [~user@205.Red-88-25-184.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:08 -!- df_aldur [~df@aldur.bowerham.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:37:25 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:03 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-215-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:39:14 -!- MarcusTullius [~user@109-102.77-83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Time for bed, said Zebedee.] 23:49:29 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-2-40.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 23:54:22 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@68-187-217-76.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:40 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-75-36-215-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]