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What's up? 09:23:12 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 09:25:49 spiaggia: I just sent a job offer to a former student of yours :) 09:25:58 mvilleneuve: Nice! 09:26:57 mvilleneuve: Did you move the office yet? 09:28:18 spiaggia: yes, we have been in the new office since monday (but our Internet access was broken for a couple of days) 09:28:49 -!- red1ynx [~Dzmitry@ramonak.bas-net.by] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:29:01 Ouch! Not so good. How will I find your office if I want to pop in and say hello? 09:29:06 -!- Quadrescence [~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31:08 -!- zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:34:43 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:35:31 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:37:30 zc00gii [~zc00gii@thefacepalm.net] has joined #lisp 09:37:44 spiaggia: psilord seems eager to get in touch with you. 09:38:15 Xach: Right, I saw it after he left last time. 09:44:52 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 09:49:37 kiuma [~kiuma@212.66.226.129] has joined #lisp 09:51:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.135.200.208] has joined #lisp 09:52:38 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:03 -!- tama [~coyotama@pool-71-164-233-194.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping 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hmm, how's that sbcl ARM port going? :) 14:37:16 as of today, apple has dropped all restrictions on interpreters and non-apple-supplied compilers on the iphone 14:37:30 except that they may not run 'downloaded' code 14:38:12 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.33.72] has joined #lisp 14:38:18 rsynnott: nice! :) 14:39:17 actually, a port of ccl would be better; its cocoa bridge would be ideal for writing iPhone apps 14:39:39 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 14:41:29 rsynnott: it's in their todo: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/ToDo 14:41:44 rsynnott: and there's an article about the port: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/ArmPortingNotes 14:43:21 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-174-139-221.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:32 brandonz [~brandon@pool-74-97-30-61.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:48 rsynnott: what kind of applications would you develop for a hand-held with CL? 14:47:08 i would develop games 14:47:53 It could make a decent substitute for objc for application logic, potentially 14:48:13 (ccl's cocoa bridge is _very_ good) 14:50:41 qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has joined #lisp 14:52:04 such development would need a tree shaker, right? 14:52:33 pmd: or the very simplified form I discussed with nyef 14:52:40 dunno how possible it would be in CCL 14:53:07 p_l: is that discussion in the logs? 14:54:45 pmd: possible 14:54:55 I wonder if the proprietary lisps are making any effort to jump aboard the mobile train. 14:54:57 the issue with SBCL is that PCL depends on compiler being available 14:55:10 sykopomp: ACL is partially usable for Android 14:55:27 neat 14:55:32 but I haven't really played around with it, since it seems to lack Generics 14:55:42 and it's not really CL 14:55:52 huh? 14:56:07 sykopomp: they have a sub-language accessible from ACL that compiles to java bytecode 14:56:19 ahh. And it doesn't have generic functions? 14:56:33 afaik it supports up to 1.4 14:56:58 anyway, generics don't change bytecode, but I don't recall a way to use them. the same for LinJ 14:57:48 Scala is supposedly usable 14:57:53 but it's no lisp 14:57:56 ABCL boots 14:57:57 I have seen some projects in scala, yeah. 14:58:18 dunno how clojure in aot mode would work if processed by proguard 14:58:20 that seems to be the likeliest candidate for a 'not-java'. 14:58:37 I think the last thing I heard is that it runs -- horribly slow. 14:58:40 there's a VB-like language that actually has direct Dalvik compiler 14:58:41 -!- boyscared [~bm3719@c-68-48-171-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:59:01 sykopomp: that's why I mentioned proguard - it can shrink Java bytecode and remove unused code 14:59:25 boyscared [~bm3719@c-68-48-171-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:23 and the big problem of clojure on android is that it creates humongous classes.dex file which then starts very slowly 15:03:59 targeting ARM directly might work better 15:04:15 though I'm not quite sure how that would work on Android; think you at least need a java wrapper 15:04:26 rsynnott: Right, you at least need the java wrapper... 15:04:50 and there's also concerns about how unstable and restrictive the NDK is. 15:05:02 rsynnott: most APIs are unavailable, some are available through JSON-RPC 15:05:14 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 15:05:19 json-rpc to the local machine?! 15:05:40 rsynnott: yes, because the other way is to implement ton of JNI callbacks... and it's slow either way 15:05:45 well, that's weird 15:05:56 p0a [~user@athedsl-4372148.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:05:58 yep, okay, that doesn't sound ideal then 15:06:01 Hello how can I wrap around an array 15:06:02 rsynnott: a big chunk of Android *is* written in Java 15:06:11 Is there a standard way or should I implement it myself? 15:06:22 iphone would probably be easier, now that using whatever language is kosher 15:06:28 p0a: modulus the index by the length :) 15:07:19 dlowe, splendid. thanks 15:07:31 rsynnott: oh, apple became less obnoxious? 15:07:55 tcr: indeed 15:08:13 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-lztqayvfowpkrqan] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:08:14 I missed that, how comes? 15:08:24 you can now use any ARM-targetting compiler you like, you can use interpreters, and there doesn't appear to be a ban on having a compiler on the device 15:08:29 tcr: unclear 15:08:32 tcr: they changed it so that you simply can't run downloaded code 15:08:50 they haven't really defined what 'downloaded' means, clearly 15:09:31 but it would appear to make an ARM-targeting CL a legit tool 15:09:50 and CCL looks particularly attractive, given that it already has a very good cocoa bridge 15:09:53 *p_l* would love if Android would switch to LLVM from Dalvik... 15:10:59 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has left #lisp 15:12:46 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-211-209.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:14:21 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 15:14:41 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-164-149.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 15:14:42 -!- _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:16:27 Here's the mod-aref macro I wrote that won't work... http://paste.lisp.org/+2G9C 15:17:09 ignore the fact that 'array' is evaluated twice as I did -- doing (defparameter *x* (make-array ...)) and then (mod-aref *x* -1 -1) won't work 15:17:37 p0a: what are the array dimensions of the symbol *X*? 15:17:49 (4 4) 15:17:49 (don't do the work at macroexpansion time, expand into forms that do the work at runtime) 15:18:00 p0a: trick question. symbols don't have array dimensions. 15:18:13 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-164-149.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:28 Xach, ah. Been some time since I've written a lisp macro 15:18:32 thanks 15:18:33 p0a: you are passing a symbol *X* to your macro, not its value. 15:18:35 felipe [~felipe@my.nada.kth.se] has joined #lisp 15:18:49 I'm not clear as to why this needs to be a macro? 15:20:35 Just wanted it to be setfable 15:20:50 I don't remember the proper mechanism for it 15:20:55 qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has joined #lisp 15:21:00 -!- Ryebred [~junk@123-243-252-73.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 15:21:09 (defun (setf mod-aref) (new-value array &rest subscripts) ...) 15:22:15 p0a: maybe you could try converting your code to be a function using APPLY and see if that helps :) 15:23:05 rsynnott: just read the good news. I hope clozure are as excited as I am (: 15:23:23 -!- dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:25:47 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:25:51 antifuchs: I wouldn't be surprised if they do something with it, anyway 15:26:02 neither would I 15:26:11 they've already shown themselves to be quite adventurous; they seem to be the main users of that fake-cocoa-for-Windows thing 15:26:28 from what I heard when the original iphone was released, there was some activity regarding it. but I lost track 15:28:11 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 15:29:01 abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 15:29:42 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483D0B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:43 though some sort of tree-shaker would probably be highly desirable for actual deployment... 15:30:25 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 15:31:06 -!- Yuuhi [~user@p5483B9D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:34:13 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:34:43 froydnj [~froydnj@gateway.codesourcery.com] has joined #lisp 15:39:02 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.254.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:40 User001 [~Vipershad@12.133.48.130] has joined #lisp 15:44:30 dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 15:46:30 -!- Anarch [~olaf@c-67-171-37-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WILL TROLL FOR FOOD] 15:46:31 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw229253.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:48:27 -!- askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.33.72] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 15:50:32 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has quit [Quit: the old ways are lost] 15:51:07 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@212.66.226.129] has quit [Quit: Bye bye ppl] 15:53:45 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 15:54:18 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:54:30 sykopomp, thanks :] 15:54:33 -!- p0a [~user@athedsl-4372148.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Quit: byebye] 15:56:03 Hm, the news was a bit unclear: are you allowed to include interpreters now? Or are you just allowed to use code not compiled by XCode? 15:56:14 foom: both 15:56:19 foom: interpreters and other runtimes are allowed 15:56:22 foom: yes, but you can't have the app download executable/interpreted code 15:56:26 basically, back to previous stance 15:56:30 there's also no explicit ban on compilers which run on the phone 15:56:33 I'm not sure if the user is allowed to enter programs (: 15:56:38 p_l: interpreters were never allowed before 15:56:43 If that's all true, that's way more liberal than previous stance. 15:56:47 -!- DaDa` [~user@125-248.62-81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:56:50 foom: indeed 15:57:02 antifuchs: the wording doesn't ban it. Of course, it remains to be seen how they'll interpret it 15:57:08 rsynnott: right 15:57:24 but a nice lisp repl on the phone would be pretty beautiful (: 15:57:26 the previous stance was the only dynamic code compilation/interpretation that was allowed was their JS framework 15:57:44 of course, there's still the technical matter of not being able to map a page both writable and execable 15:57:49 ban on downloading is probably to avoid apps which change behaviour on phone, and also to avoid a very nasty form of malware 15:58:06 antifuchs: or on the iPad, especially 15:58:07 so that gets rid of any *fast* runtimes that let you dynamically enter code 15:58:30 hmm, under new rules one could potentially have a remote emacs session on the iPad; that'd be quite nice 15:58:40 rsynnott: exactly! 15:58:42 I'd like that (: 15:58:49 you always could have a /remote/ emacs session... 15:58:57 foom: yeah; you'd prbably have to use a non-compiling, non-JITed interpreter 15:59:11 but you could have compiled code which shipped with the app 15:59:16 this sounds doable, with care 15:59:21 or if you jailbreak your phone that gets rid of that restriction 15:59:39 so you can just make your app enable the JIT only on jailbroken phones, and run faster. :) 15:59:44 though emacs might need some interface adaptation to be suitable for the ipad 16:00:14 still, emacs with a remote slime session on the iPad with a bluetooth keyboard could be fun :) 16:00:29 Good evening everyone! 16:01:06 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:25 anyone know offhand what size a simple 32bit ccl dump is when compressed? 16:02:27 kclifton_ [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:59 rsynnott: 5,3M bzipped 16:06:07 -!- kclifton [~kclifton@s198-166-45-245.ab.hsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:06:07 -!- kclifton_ is now known as kclifton 16:06:24 oh, nice, that's well within acceptable limits for a phone app 16:06:42 rsynnott: ah, ok. 16:06:45 s1gma_ [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 16:07:08 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 16:08:17 gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:18 Bronsa [~bronsa@host166-178-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:12:52 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host166-178-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 16:13:07 Bronsa [~bronsa@host166-178-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:14:05 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:14:54 -!- red1ynx [~Dzmitry@91.149.140.201] has quit [Quit: red1ynx] 16:15:40 It looks like define-command is not going to be included in CLIM3. 16:16:07 at all? or something else will replace it? 16:16:11 It doesn't lend itself to internationalization. 16:16:45 stassats`: I'll probably separate out the mechanism of argument acquisition and just make it possible for that mechanism to call any function. 16:17:27 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 16:17:28 stassats`: That way, the same function can be used independently of what language you want the prompt to use for instance. 16:18:07 Besides, I often found myself writing commands that would just trampoline to a function that would be used elsewhere as well. 16:19:04 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:19:41 mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has joined #lisp 16:19:43 -!- mornfall [~mornfall@anna.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Changing host] 16:19:43 mornfall [~mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #lisp 16:20:04 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:58 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 16:24:17 _s1gma [~d.d.derp@77.107.164.131] has joined #lisp 16:26:02 srolls [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:27:24 -!- Bronsa 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