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Messing around with project Euler stuff and my mind went off on a tangent and now I'm wondering how I might go about converting a number to a sequence of digits 02:14:18 Mesh: what does "100" mean, in decimal? 02:14:50 10 groups of 10..? 02:15:28 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-21-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:15:42 more precisely, 1*10^2 + 0*10^1 + 0*10^0. You just want to go in the other direction. 02:30:50 Okay so uh... in C, division returns the non-remainder part and modulus returns the remainder part. 02:31:20 Mod works the same in lisp, but division in lisp returns like, a fraction. So... how do I get the non-remainder part..? 02:31:35 <_3b> floor, truncate,etc return both 02:31:35 Mesh: truncate 02:31:41 Mesh: in lisp you can get both the quotient and remainder with TRUNCATE. 02:31:49 oh. 02:31:51 (loop with n = 100 and reminder do (setf (values n reminder) (truncate n 10)) collect reminder while (plusp n)) => (0 0 1) 02:35:16 Cool, thanks. 02:40:39 truncate may not be what you want for negative numbers. 02:46:33 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:46:50 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:02:52 wioux [~pswoo@76-218-106-110.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:04:08 -!- antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-85-57.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:34 -!- plediii [~plediii@nat-168-7-233-214.rice.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:35 plediii [~plediii@nat-168-7-233-214.rice.edu] has joined #lisp 03:10:19 -!- LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-117-208.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:11:02 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 03:17:40 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:19:50 b2ldw1n [~k2t0f12d@60-234-218-238.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 03:30:24 -!- b2ldw1n is now known as katofiad 03:36:48 -!- katofiad [~k2t0f12d@60-234-218-238.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:38:28 sharps [~user@ip-118-90-5-34.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:39:34 -!- sharps [~user@ip-118-90-5-34.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:06 sharps [~user@ip-118-90-5-34.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:46:22 -!- sharps [~user@ip-118-90-5-34.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:38 homie` [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:51:48 wbooze` [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:52:17 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-kebenjnzsshtxsal] has joined #lisp 03:52:29 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-213-168-64-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:52:42 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-213-168-64-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:54:31 b2ldw1n [~k2t0f12d@60-234-218-238.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 03:55:13 -!- b2ldw1n is now known as katofiad 04:04:32 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:18:30 Good morning everyone! 04:19:44 dfkjjkfd [~paulh@47-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #lisp 04:21:25 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-gdfyjhczkkadxrrl] has joined #lisp 04:21:30 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:21:38 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:23:06 morning! 04:23:16 how's it in sunny France? 04:23:45 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 04:23:48 Adamant: Fine so far today. How about where you are? 04:23:58 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:24:29 decent but not sunny 04:25:30 Love4Boobies [~kvirc@unaffiliated/pinchme] has joined #lisp 04:25:43 Well, the sun isn't up here yet, but it will be in half an hour or so. 04:26:01 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 04:26:24 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 04:28:01 ah 04:28:36 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:30:26 Morning, beach. 04:30:40 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 04:31:05 -!- homie` [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:31:14 Hey, beach, do you happen to know Jerome Chailloux or Christian Queinnec? 04:31:15 -!- wbooze` [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:33:19 homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:33:21 wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 04:35:36 gigamonkey: I know both of them. 04:36:10 I'm guessing they are both fluent in English? 04:36:38 gigamonkey: Sure. Christian has a funny accent but he is quite comprehensible. 04:37:10 gigamonkey: Christian wrote the book that my wife translated into English. 04:37:11 I might want to interview them as part of my preparation for my ILC talk. 04:37:19 That's what I thought I remembered. 04:37:47 Could you (electronically) introduce me to them? 04:38:02 -!- b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.58.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38:13 gigamonkey: I can with Christian. I am not sure Jerome remembers me. 04:39:00 gigamonkey: Jerome was a co-founder of ILOG (now bought by IBM), the company that my wife works (or worked) for. 04:39:25 Okay. Maybe I can send you an email this week that you can forward on to Christian with whatever endorsement you care to provide. 04:39:38 Sure, no problem. 04:40:20 I hadn't quite realized to what extent the ANSI standardization was tangled up in international, nationalistic politics. 04:41:03 Yeah, that is not pretty at all. 04:41:30 that's most standardization committees for anything with international implications. 04:41:47 everyone's got an axe to grind. 04:42:01 gigamonkey: ILOG is the company that sold Le Lisp, but I guess you knew that. 04:42:21 (at least that I've seen from looking at the history of standards-making) 04:43:04 Not really. I'm not really clear on how the various Le Lisp, Eulisp, etc. lisps related to each other except that they eventually fed into ISLISP. 04:43:10 And I'm not even sure about that. 04:43:50 But I've just printed out the paper "Desiderata for the standardization of LISP" which will probably fill in some of that background. 04:45:20 @#@!#@! someday when I design my own language integer literals are going to admit commas. 04:45:31 -!- khumba [~khumba@S010600259ce46bb1.ok.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 04:47:32 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 04:47:49 Hmmm. "The software components were initially developed in the LISP programming language, and transitioned to C++ in 1992 in order to follow the technical evolution of the software industry." from the Wikipedia article on ILOG. 04:48:06 Seems like that should be "deevolution" 04:48:20 gigamonkey: Yes, I know all about that, of course. 04:48:35 Happened to the best of them. 04:51:21 -!- Mesh [~Mesh@216.201.34.14] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 04:55:11 -!- thom_logn [~thom@pool-74-100-140-188.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:56:12 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 05:05:15 Fare [~Fare@64.119.159.126] has joined #lisp 05:08:20 fengshaun [~armin@blk-7-216-123.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 05:09:23 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:14:02 so 05:14:05 cmucl takes up to much ram 05:14:11 sbcl takes up too much ram 05:14:17 what should I use on my server? 05:14:39 *zc00gii* tries clisp 05:15:01 I think you answered your own question :P 05:15:16 yeah 05:15:16 you can also try optimizing for space usage in your programs 05:15:21 clisp takes like, no space 05:15:39 but uh 05:15:45 Adamant: you know where clisp's rc file is? 05:15:59 just remember though, RAM that's not ultimately being used somehow is wasted. 05:16:09 nope 05:16:15 :| 05:16:17 don't use it anymore 05:17:55 zc00gii, correction: your machine ain't got enough RAM 05:19:37 Fare: it's a VPS 05:19:51 I have 1GB total(including burst) 05:19:56 sbcl takes a bunch of space 05:20:02 cmucl takes even more 05:20:43 .clisprc apparently 05:22:06 bah 05:22:10 I'll fuck with it tomorrow 05:22:12 night 05:22:48 eis [sie@unaffiliated/sierinjs] has joined #lisp 05:22:52 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Quit: dreish] 05:22:58 zc00gii, tried ccl ? 05:22:59 clozure 05:23:01 How do I append to list withouth creating a new list? 05:23:09 nconc 05:23:09 good compromise between space and speed 05:23:18 nconc is NEVER the correct answer 05:23:41 Oh, it can be the correct answer. It is rarely the ideal ansewr. 05:23:58 I'm going to sleep 05:24:04 mmk? 05:24:05 bai 05:24:08 eis: append is always more correct, won't bite you in the ass while you're not looking, and has same asymptotic performance. 05:24:41 Providing that you think that iterating a list and copying a list have the same cost. 05:24:42 if you "need" nconc and performance is a bottleneck, you should be using a different datastructure, anyway. 05:24:48 nconc should be deleted from the standard 05:24:54 there is NEVER, EVER, a good reason to use it 05:25:33 It looks like it does what append does.. 05:25:33 Much like 90% of the rest of the standard CL library. 05:25:43 Zhivago, indeed 05:25:57 *Fare* tries to remember why he uses CL, already 05:26:07 To help with your memory problem. 05:26:21 yes my mind is full of garbage notions. 05:26:26 s/yes/yet/ 05:26:35 because of it - so much for garbage collection 05:26:38 Fare, So I just do (setf my-list (append my-list crap))? 05:27:08 eis: define-modify-macro 05:27:16 Probably if you want nconc you should be remembering where the end of the list is -- which is fare's point, more or less. 05:27:18 straitjacket [~darkwhite@92.62.171.27] has joined #lisp 05:27:19 eis: and/or use appendf from alexandria (or asdf::) 05:27:51 Fare, macros all the way! 05:28:08 -!- Love4Boobies [~kvirc@unaffiliated/pinchme] has left #lisp 05:28:39 Zhivago: and/or using one of those constant-time-append pure functional sequence abstractions. 05:29:27 before I hit the sac 05:29:37 what's bad about nconc? 05:29:44 Zhivago, there is a case to be made for CONS cells in some cases, though it's slim. But none for nconc. 05:29:54 zc00gii, it bites your ass 05:30:00 zc00gii: it recycles cons cells that you may still be using. 05:30:18 ew 05:31:04 does anyone have feedback on my and rpg's asdf2 paper? http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/ilc2010draft.pdf 05:31:14 last few hours before deadline for us to improve it :-/ 05:33:40 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:37:18 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 05:37:26 Fare, I'm just skimming an hit on the section about the YTools thing. 05:37:32 -!- straitjacket [~darkwhite@92.62.171.27] has left #lisp 05:37:33 Fare, Hmm, when I try to define appendf, it tells there was a appendf, but I'll define it anyways. When I try to call it before defining it tells me there's no such function. o.O Why? 05:37:39 It reminded me of something Dick Gabriel told me when I interviewed him the other day: 05:38:19 Apparently some time in the 80s Symbolics released a major new version of their software which had one feature: it had been completely rebuilt from source files. 05:38:26 eis: if there's one already - use it 05:38:43 As opposed to being an image migrated from some previous image via who knows what sequence of interactions. 05:38:52 gigamonkey, an hit? 05:39:24 You mean, was it a hit? I have no idea. 05:39:45 But it's pretty scary that prior to that they were releasing products to which they didn't have the source code. 05:40:17 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:40:20 ldunn [~user@d110-32-131-191.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:40:35 gigamonkey, that's one downside of image-based "live" software 05:40:45 I remember reading some oldish book about software engineering and they admonished the reader to "never patch the binary". At the time I was like, who on earth would do that? 05:41:00 YES, patch the binary. 05:41:09 I patched "my" mathematica binary 05:41:27 I started on the Apple ][, and had fun cracking Prince of Persia. 05:41:33 (on PC) 05:41:54 straitjacket [~darkwhite@92.62.171.27] has joined #lisp 05:44:14 gigamonkey, I mean I don't understand what you said "skimming an hit" above. 05:45:04 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:45:08 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:46:36 -!- fengshaun [~armin@blk-7-216-123.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:48:02 Sorry. "skimming, and hit" 05:49:30 `micro [~micro@www.bway.net] has joined #lisp 05:52:10 tnoborio [~tnoborio@r011042.203112.miinet.jp] has joined #lisp 05:54:23 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-gdfyjhczkkadxrrl] has left #lisp 05:54:27 -!- dfkjjkfd [~paulh@47-11-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:57:18 oh, ok 05:57:42 beach` [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-69-238.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 05:58:06 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-45-163.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:58:27 -!- straitjacket [~darkwhite@92.62.171.27] has quit [] 05:59:13 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 05:59:51 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-21-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:59:51 jgracin [~jgracin@dh111-186.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 06:00:31 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-safxkphbsevwwamd] has joined #lisp 06:07:35 Demosthenes [~demo@m0a5e36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 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tcr: mappend? can't fint it on hyperspec... 12:19:09 xan_ [~xan@124.62.3.57] has joined #lisp 12:19:34 blitz_ [~blitz@erwin.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #lisp 12:19:58 it isn't there 12:20:34 sbcl doesn't have :( 12:21:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:21:54 (reduce #'append list) 12:24:41 stassats: that works great,, ty 12:24:52 stassats: is there a destructive way to do it? 12:25:45 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:25:54 nconc 12:26:31 (mapcan #'identity list) 12:26:38 execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has joined #lisp 12:27:27 it might give better performance than reduce, right? 12:31:20 urandom__ [~user@p548A55DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:31:35 -!- xan_ [~xan@124.62.3.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:32:14 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:32:16 i thought i tried with mapcan, 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It's for the Google AI Challenge. (I have to leave now, sorry!) 15:27:14 -!- aerique [euqirea@xs3.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:27:42 Bronsa [~bronsa@host187-186-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:28:22 bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has joined #lisp 15:29:15 jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-107.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:29:31 dlowe1 [~dlowe@c-98-216-106-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:41 Yuuhi` [benni@p54839CF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:03 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483C113.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:31:07 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-145-165.vologda.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:35 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 15:33:00 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 15:35:09 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 15:35:26 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:54 -!- eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:12 eldragon [~eldragon@84.79.67.254] has joined #lisp 15:36:30 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-76-254-21-181.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:33 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 15:38:42 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 15:40:27 what sbcl was aerique talking about? 15:40:49 -!- sellout [~greg@64.134.67.95] has quit [Quit: sellout] 15:40:55 no idea 15:44:09 -!- ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45:29 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 15:47:46 pmd: probably the SBCL supplied in Google AI Challenge 15:50:28 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:54 -!- bgs100 is now known as nothing 15:52:01 -!- nothing is now known as bgs100 15:52:57 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 15:53:22 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:32 -!- olvar [~olvar@w-133.cust-3037.ip.static.uno.net.uk] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 15:55:33 tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 15:57:21 peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-120-132.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 15:59:01 Wow! Somebody (Bastien Dejean) has made a very good TextMate plugin for Common Lisp! 15:59:36 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@a91-153-120-132.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 16:00:11 sellout [~greg@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:27 execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has joined #lisp 16:01:59 -!- silenius [~silenus@dslb-088-072-030-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:03 hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:17 silenius [~silenus@dslb-088-072-030-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:17 cool. 16:04:46 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:04 peterhil: where can i find it? 16:06:06 With GetBundles, or from github by the user baskerville, project Common-Lisp.tmbundle 16:07:29 It's quite fresh - the initial upload is 31th of July 16:07:30 -!- guther [~guther@92-55-242-8.net.pbthawe.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:19 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 16:09:15 Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-14999.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 16:09:36 Not every toool seems to work though... :_/ 16:10:01 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:10:29 -!- Plazma [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:09 -!- lharc [~shrek@88.131.67.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12:15 peterhil: can you screencast it? 16:12:39 I have never done a screencast. 16:12:51 do you have snow leopard? 16:13:03 Not on the machine I tried the plugin 16:13:08 ok 16:13:11 I'll try on Snow Leopard 16:13:14 Plazma [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has joined #lisp 16:13:41 with snow leopard, you can just use Quicktime and then there's File > New Screen Recording 16:13:50 easy as apple pie. 16:13:52 OK, but why? 16:14:02 i don't have textmate but i want to see what it can do. 16:14:07 Ah, ok. 16:14:21 I'll show you in few minutes. 16:14:42 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-66-117.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 16:14:48 Oh, I didn't know there was a free trial. I'll check it out myself. Thanks for mentioning it. 16:14:52 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-93-8.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:15:14 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-78-210.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:15:15 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@85.48.202.13] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:24 oh, heh. he made a video himself. 16:19:36 Ok, good. :-) 16:22:00 Ah, I did not read the requirements... It seems to require tmux, rlwrap, Growl, iTerm, SBCL and Flexible Words tmplugin for full operation. 16:22:37 oof 16:22:54 I'm in a process to install my dev tools on the new machine, btw. What is the best method to install SBCL? 16:23:13 I thought of using macports. 16:23:57 But syntax highlight and navigation by functions and sexps and doc lookup work without those requirements. 16:26:08 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-37-249.w92-148.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:26:12 most "port"-systems lag behind. why not just get the binary and (if needed) compile the newest and greatest sbcl with that? 16:26:32 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-93-8.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:26:37 -!- silenius [~silenus@dslb-088-072-030-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29:02 hypno: port grabs a source release; it can't be too far behind. 16:29:06 Xach: There is also a TextMate theme he made called Coal Graal: http://github.com/baskerville/Coal-Graal.tmTheme/ 16:30:41 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.2.121.sub.mbb.three.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 16:30:48 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:18 -!- Plazma [~Plazma@freenode/staff/plazma] has quit [Ping timeout: 612 seconds] 16:33:36 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-41-208-211-15.wbs.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:38 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:13 Athas [~athas@90.184.11.6] has joined #lisp 16:36:49 -!- wbooze [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:53 -!- homie [~user@xdsl-87-79-161-166.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:33 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:12 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 16:38:13 what do you prefer for iterating hash-tables: with-hash-table-iterator or loop? 16:38:20 pmd: maphash. 16:38:25 pmd: i use maphash more often 16:38:39 rotty81 [53d79a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.215.154.5] has joined #lisp 16:40:10 *Xach* hasn't yet used w-h-t-i 16:40:10 iisjmii [~iisjmii@128-240.ftth.onsbrabantnet.nl] has joined #lisp 16:40:48 Sorry for being somewhat OT, but: I have apparently been banned on #clojure and #concatenative, presumably for offering public logs (which at one point have been requested on both of these channels). Should I take down my logs of #lisp as well? 16:40:51 indeed, forgot about that one 16:41:10 (maphash, that is) 16:41:13 tayloj [~tayloj@ool-457ab73a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:00 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:43:26 rotty81: no need to, where they are btw? 16:43:27 I want to run an external-programme with the following arguments: gnuplot -p -e \"plot sin(x)\" (sb-ext:run-program "/usr/bin/gnuplot" (list "-p" "-e" "\"plot sin(x)\"") does not work. What am I doijng wrong? 16:43:54 rotty81: isn't this channel logged already? i believe #emacs is the one with logging issues 16:44:09 minion: logs? 16:44:09 logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 16:44:52 these two logs have a very nice differente: timezone. the clozure.com one is more suitable for europeans, the other i don't even know 16:44:55 -!- benny [~user@i577A3186.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:45:18 iisjmii: i suspect you don't need the quoted double-quotes 16:45:47 Xach: thx, cheking it out 16:46:34 Xach: You are right, works now, thank you! 16:48:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:49:52 p_l: http://rotty.yi.org/irclogs/ 16:50:48 -!- eldragon is now known as maharba 16:51:19 iisjmii: the set of quotes at the shell is to help the shell split arguments; in CL, you do that by providing a list of pre-separated arguments. 16:52:04 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:52:05 -!- hlavaty [~user@77-22-104-162-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:52:31 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-87-124.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 16:52:54 rahul: where's check-protocols defined? 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17:48:26 yes, that one 17:51:24 -!- slash_1 [~unknown@p5DD1C1AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:54:36 -!- MagBo [~Sweater@195.114.56.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:16 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host187-186-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:55:38 Bronsa [~bronsa@host187-186-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:56:17 this may not be the place for lisp history, but does anyone know where I can find information on McCarthy's garbage collector? 17:56:47 Kenjin [~josesanto@188.81.66.117] has joined #lisp 17:57:28 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@188.81.66.117] has quit [Client Quit] 17:57:41 -!- Bronsa [~bronsa@host187-186-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Client Quit] 18:00:37 faux [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 18:03:39 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:04:00 stepnem [~stepnem@88.103.132.186] has joined #lisp 18:07:50 -!- petercoulton [~Peter@cpc2-midd16-2-0-cust169.11-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:07:59 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:08:39 McCarthy had a garbage collector? 18:09:15 that's kind of an implementation detail 18:10:55 pdo_ [~pdo@dyn-62-56-49-182.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:15:59 -!- ak70 [~ak70@80.77.204.157] has left #lisp 18:19:17 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181199216.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:23:29 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:24:44 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:25:58 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 18:26:43 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:53 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 18:28:17 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:28:39 execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has joined #lisp 18:30:24 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30:40 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 18:34:46 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:22 slash_ [~unknown@p5DD1C1AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:22 fualo_: jones and lins cite McCarthy's article "History of LISP" in History of Programming Languages, ACM Monograph, 1981. 18:44:07 fualo_: also McCarthy's "Recursive functions of symbolic expressions and their computation by machine" in Communications of the ACM, 3:184-195, 1960. 18:49:49 carlocci [~carlocci@109.113.179.101] has joined #lisp 18:49:55 -!- carlocci [~carlocci@109.113.179.101] has left #lisp 18:50:33 fatbrain [fatbrain@h85-8-1-66.static.se.alltele.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:35 -!- fatbrain [fatbrain@h85-8-1-66.static.se.alltele.net] has left #lisp 18:53:39 huangho [~vitor@201-66-171-20.paemt700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:54:31 Harag [~Harag@wbs-196-2-117-228.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:56:01 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082BB28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:16 -!- Athas [~athas@90.184.11.6] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:29 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5B3270DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:14 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 19:02:34 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 19:04:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 19:04:14 -!- gigamonkey [~user@c-98-248-194-46.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06:52 -!- huangho [~vitor@201-66-171-20.paemt700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:09:14 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:36 Sikander [~soemraws@5356ECA7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #lisp 19:10:48 hi 19:13:28 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:13:53 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-107.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:18 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:20:06 -!- Sikander [~soemraws@5356ECA7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:22:48 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 19:23:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:24:03 I don't need to (require 'anything) in main .lisp file, if I've got (:use #:anything) in defpackage, right? 19:24:41 sie: that's orthogonal. 19:25:04 You have to load all the systems your program depends on, usually via asdf. 19:25:20 defpackage only deals with resolving symbols 19:25:56 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:26:04 Oh, right. So do I have to specify anything at all in defpackage? 19:26:15 Is there a simple canonical way of adding a new property-value pair to a plist? 19:26:34 only the packages that you don't want to prefix in your code (e.g. common-lisp) 19:26:37 -!- antivigilante [~antivigil@174-26-85-57.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:26:48 -!- cmeow [cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:48 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 19:26:53 antoszka: (setf getf) 19:27:07 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:17 Hm. 19:27:32 alexshendi [~alexshend@81.253.34.115] has joined #lisp 19:28:09 ok, thx 19:28:23 Though I can't getf if the place is nonexistent. 19:28:27 Thought* 19:29:10 bperryman [~bperryman@cpc2-bexl1-0-0-cust928.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:30:26 ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has joined #lisp 19:31:39 hi, how can I decode HTML encoded string (& and such) into normal utf8 string? 19:31:47 Most evil thought of today: What do you think are the consequences of adjusting the string backing a string-input-string? 19:32:19 you have to convert the entity reference by yourself 19:33:06 manic12: is there a library that contains such functionality? 19:33:46 Another question: Polish numbers are formatted this way 10.000,00  would this be possible to achieve this using a format-string, or do I need to write a function manually to return a required string? 19:33:57 any sax parser should have something in there for that 19:34:51 you don't need to be heavy handed about it though 19:35:05 you could use regexps even 19:36:03 hmm, I just needed it so malicious clients could not send bad data to each other, but I will leave it for later I think:) 19:36:05 ignotus: xmls does okay; you may have to add extra char entitites to it, but it does have at least a framework for parsing entities such as that 19:36:27 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:36:34 Hi, does anyone know a MUD written in Lisp? 19:36:46 it's simple though 19:36:57 hargettp: ah I see 19:37:56 manic12: "I know, I'll solve this with regexps!" and then the programmer had two problems instead of one 19:38:11 fine, use yacc 19:38:56 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:39:22 hahaha 19:40:03 I'm lost, it does not really seem to be possible to create a Lisp stream which turns output from a child process into an input stream 19:40:45 without reading everything into a string first, and then creating an input string from that 19:40:50 bperryman_ [~bperryman@cpc2-bexl1-0-0-cust928.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:41:23 -!- bperryman [~bperryman@cpc2-bexl1-0-0-cust928.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41:23 -!- bperryman_ is now known as bperryman 19:42:13 -!- bperryman [~bperryman@cpc2-bexl1-0-0-cust928.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:19 tcr: portably? 19:42:39 sbcl only is ok I guess 19:42:52 am I supposed to go down to actual FD level? 19:42:58 i can't believe tcr said that 19:43:45 manic12: I've been writing lots of sbcl-only code for the last past months :-) 19:43:51 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b31:13b5:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 19:43:53 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b31:13b5:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:54 amazing 19:44:24 powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-49-19-181.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:37 didn't you once tell me that eval defclass was better than ensure class because of portability? 19:44:52 tcr: doesn't run-program already give you streams? 19:45:11 manic12: Sure if that's all you need 19:45:30 -!- powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-49-19-181.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:45:46 jsnell: It was my impression that it *takes* streams, I'm trying to create a suitable stream to pass to it 19:45:48 manic12: tcr is now a Lisper looking for profit, different priorities. :) 19:46:13 i would rather peel-open the clos implementation of the lisp and write an functional ensure class than eval a quoted macro 19:46:33 tcr: if you pass :output :stream it should make the stream and return it itself 19:46:44 manic12: It really depends on context 19:47:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:05 it's a good development that you are freeing yourself from standard 19:47:08 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:47:40 Different target audience for the software, different tradeoffs 19:48:07 mejja [~user@c-14bee555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:48:30 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:49:00 jsnell: Hrm, should do it in my case. Can't really appreciate that as an interface 19:50:12 yes, the interface is pretty crap since the "pass a stream in yourself" version will only work sensibly with fd-streams 19:50:44 I still find it surprising that there are echo-streams but not an equivalent for the other way around 19:51:06 anechoic streams? 19:51:09 what are concatenated streams (I haven't used them) 19:51:48 tcr: fork a thread? 19:52:04 hm? 19:52:11 -!- hargettp [~anonymous@pool-71-184-181-149.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hargettp] 19:52:13 powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-49-19-181.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:20 it wouldn't help here, it's really down to run-program being bad. for any non-fd stream it'll essentially block and read the whole input before writing any output 19:53:08 well such a pipe stream might be able to go down to fds? 19:53:34 don't know how flexible the unix api is 19:53:47 loomer [~loomer@unaffiliated/loomer] has joined #lisp 19:53:48 -!- red1ynx [~Dzmitry@91.149.140.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:01 all I/O gets down to FD 19:54:28 the last time I was looking for the unix equivalent of broadcast streams and that does not seem to exist 19:54:58 francogrex [~user@109.130.1.109] has joined #lisp 19:55:17 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.1.109] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:38 varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 19:56:48 Blkt [~user@net-188-152-128-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 19:57:19 jdz [~jdz@host233-111-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:57:42 afaik Unix doesn't exactly have one-to-many I/O 19:58:09 no idea how far one can go using dup() 19:58:51 -!- alexshendi [~alexshend@81.253.34.115] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:58:55 khumba [~khumba@S010600259ce46bb1.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:38 -!- powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-49-19-181.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: powerje] 20:00:48 keithpoole [~keithpool@cpc3-bagu8-0-0-cust84.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:03:50 -!- moah [~gnu@dslb-092-073-078-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:08:05 peterhil [~peterhil@a91-153-127-82.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 20:11:47 mephist__ [~mephisto@190.213.238.9] has joined #lisp 20:14:08 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 20:14:12 -!- aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:24 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-119-127.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 20:20:01 tcr: the other way around is complicated to implement. Either you need threads or a big buffer. 20:20:07 Phoodus [foo@174-17-246-43.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:15 -!- serichsen [~user@hmbg-4d06a2ef.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Good night!] 20:20:28 or coroutines. 20:20:59 why? 20:22:12 ok. perhaps we don't speak of the same thing. What's for you the other way around? 20:22:53 (let ((s (make-pipe-stream))) (format s "foobar") (read s)) => FOOBAR 20:23:15 Right. Now what if "foobar" is instead a 46 GB string? 20:23:35 (What if you loop over format for two hours before starting to read?) 20:23:37 if the internal buffer is full, the output can block 20:23:41 morphling_ [~stefan@gssn-5f757518.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:44 Yes, and then? 20:23:57 pjb: and then it blocks... 20:24:03 Either you need coroutines or threads to execute a read in parallel to unblock things. 20:24:08 Otherwise we call that a deadlock. 20:24:14 maconga [~maconga@h111.176.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 20:24:16 Edward [ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-12-70.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:24:17 pjb: sure. 20:24:18 So? 20:24:31 So: either you need threads (or coroutines) or a big buffer. 20:24:34 the intended use case was for child processes 20:24:45 pjb: the implementation doesn't need concurrency; the user does. 20:24:55 why is the same not true for echo-streams? 20:25:17 Basically because echo-stream gets its input from an external process. 20:25:25 no it does not 20:25:39 it gets them from an arbitrary input stream 20:25:42 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7564f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:26:00 which can also be a 4gb string 20:26:37 Yes, but the flow of control is simplier, you only need one thread reading the echo stream to do the reading and writing of the echo. 20:27:00 In this case, the 4GB string is read, not written. This is simplier. 20:27:17 You don't block, just get an end-of-stream. 20:28:06 outputting to the output stream can block 20:28:21 That said, with gray streams, you can implement such a pipe. Even better using gray streams + threads. 20:28:23 :-) I'm not sure if we're just discussing words 20:29:14 I have the feeling that an input and output string is pretty much the same thing 20:29:21 s/string/stream/ 20:30:58 -!- maconga [~maconga@h111.176.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:32:20 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:32 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-196-2-117-228.wbs.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:46 Harag [~Harag@wbs-196-2-117-228.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:34:09 -!- claint [~user@88.243.129.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:22 Kerrick [~Kerrick@e40-1.nat.iastate.edu] has joined #lisp 20:39:35 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-15-10.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:01 pi_benjamin [~chatzilla@p57B496B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:40:55 aidalgol [~user@114-134-7-235.rurallink.co.nz] has joined #lisp 20:41:59 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-92-201.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 20:43:14 Good evening everyone! 20:44:05 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 20:45:14 hi beach :) 20:45:42 hi fe[nl]ix 20:45:45 hi beach 20:46:16 hey beach 20:50:05 -!- Harag [~Harag@wbs-196-2-117-228.wbs.co.za] has quit [Quit: Eish!] 20:50:16 Harag [~Harag@wbs-196-2-117-228.wbs.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:52:14 -!- varjag [~eugene@4.169.249.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:56:50 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1503031474.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:58:15 -!- lnostdal_ is now known as lnostdal 21:01:12 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 21:02:10 rich_holygoat [~rnewman@pdpc/supporter/student/rich-holygoat] has joined #lisp 21:02:27 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:34 b-man_ [~b-man@189.34.52.202] has joined #lisp 21:04:25 tranceNRG 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connection] 22:51:12 symbole` [~user@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:51:44 Is Stuempfer a good word for "amature"? 22:52:11 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.197.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:29 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:52:41 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:53:00 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-203-193.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:36 ... I don't know the first language you're using, but do you mean "armature", "amateur", or something else?? 22:57:46 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p54839CF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:58:19 I meant amateur. 22:58:40 Oh, wait. Wrong channel. 22:58:44 keithpoole [~keithpool@cpc3-bagu8-0-0-cust84.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:02 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 22:59:31 Please ignore. :) 22:59:56 tcr1 [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:00:03 Fair enough. Good luck with whatever it is that you're doing. 23:00:08 -!- tcr [~tcr@cpc1-bour2-0-0-cust414.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:34 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@78.112.42.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:00:45 -!- Jabberwockey [~Jens@port-14999.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:01:19 Ginei_Morioka [irssi_log@78.112.42.103] has joined #lisp 23:01:31 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A55DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:26 nyef: Learning German, or at least trying. 23:03:49 Sounds like fun. 23:03:58 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@159.80-202-237.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 23:07:20 Nshag [~none@AClermont-Ferrand-551-1-64-146.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:09:12 -!- mejja [~user@c-14bee555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:01 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:04 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:10:25 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 23:12:53 rbarraud_ [~rbarraud@118-92-18-14.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 23:15:05 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:16:55 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:09 -!- seangrove [~user@c-71-198-44-87.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:19:47 xinming_ [~hyy@122.238.75.175] has joined #lisp 23:21:26 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.60.128] has joined #lisp 23:22:05 -!- xinming [~hyy@115.223.133.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:22:51 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:57 -!- rdd [~rdd@83.250.48.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:23:57 does anyone know the bash command to see where does an alias take? i.e. find => /usr/bin/find 23:24:09 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:24:41 I bet it's in the bash manpage. Try "man bash". 23:24:49 "where find" 23:24:52 or "which find" 23:24:54 don't recall exactly 23:24:57 which thanks 23:25:29 that's it 23:25:33 yay 23:25:48 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:29:00 Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 23:31:49 Blkt: if it's an alias, then the command is alias: alias ls --> alias ls='LC_COLLATE="C" /bin/ls -aBCFN' 23:32:07 Applying which on an alias doesn't return any result. 23:33:55 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:35:23 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-208-207.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:23 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-208-207.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:35:23 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 23:37:06 -!- execve [~execve@ppp-81-25-57-185.ultranet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@89.135.200.180] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:42:14 Blkt: also 'type' 23:42:46 Gah! DOS flashbacks! 23:43:19 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:45:45 -!- ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.114.207.214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:48 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.109] has joined #lisp 23:47:00 zophy [~sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:23 which DOS? :D 23:47:44 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75.32.203.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:48 DR-DOS, of course! (Okay, not really.) 23:48:04 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:48:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-066.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:48:35 Really, MS-DOS 3.3... Or maybe 5. 23:49:12 ... you know, after asking that question, I noticed that the last time I truly used DOS was earlier than my last use of TOPS-20 or ITS 23:49:59 Heh. 23:50:14 I've actually never used TOPS-20 or ITS. 23:51:11 Or VMS, for that matter, beyond the old Minuteman library computer terminals (before they downgraded from VTs to windows boxes). 23:51:48 And, yes, it -was- a downgrade, given the changes to the catalog interface. 23:51:51 ITS had ... interesting installation process 23:51:59 and equally interesting shell 23:52:31 namely, a debugger 23:53:19 Yeah, I remember hearing about the debugger. 23:53:36 yes. A multi-user, multi-tasking system that used kernel debugger for shell :/ 23:53:36 No weirder than Genera or any Forth system, really. 23:53:41 Heh. 23:53:41 -!- keithpoole [~keithpool@cpc3-bagu8-0-0-cust84.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #lisp 23:53:56 Wait, -kernel- debugger? 23:54:07 nyef: well, you could modify the kernel with it 23:54:17 Ah, right, sod-all memory protection, right? 23:54:24 what protection? 23:54:36 Sod-all protection, clearlyt. 23:54:53 the protection was in form of other users lynching you :P 23:54:58 ... And I'm just drunk enough that my typo-correction process is slower than my hitting-enter process. 23:55:10 Oh, is -that- why there was a "crash system" command? 23:55:28 nyef: the crash system was introduced as a clever psychological hack 23:55:43 you're doing very well 23:56:12 JuanDaugherty: Yeah, two mistakes not caught since I started drinking? Not horrible. 23:56:13 by making it so trivial, it discouraged people who got their jollies from crashing it 23:56:17 some not familiar with British English might not know 'sod all' was an expletive though 23:56:26 p_l: Yeah, as mentioned in TNHD if not the original. 23:56:43 still... it was an interesting system 23:56:51 though the lack of DNS resolver irked me 23:56:58 Not only an expletive, but an expletive meaning "nothing", only more emphatic. 23:57:32 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b31:13b5:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 23:57:53 I like the old terms for sysadmins, though 23:58:00 "wizards", "wizard mode" etc. :D 23:58:23 Mmm. And timescales measured in wizard-months. 23:58:33 Oh, wait. That's still done occasionally. 23:58:33 haha 23:59:08 also funny how TOPS-20 had "enable" command that you needed to run even if you logged in as "OPERATOR" 23:59:12 (Porting the Python compiler (CMUCL) to a new architecture is given to take a couple of wizard-months.) 23:59:52 nyef: bootstrapping it is probably in wizard-decades?