00:00:18 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-58-31-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:00:36 hmpf. not even. I see it has the same problem you were talking about (showing the trace of when the condition is caught) 00:01:36 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 00:02:55 Hmm. maybe I should rephrase my query here.... 00:03:04 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:03:16 I am running hunchentoot, and an intermittent bug has crept in... 00:03:29 unfortunately, it only appears when I can't have the debugger attached. 00:03:37 what to do, what to do? 00:03:40 heisenbug 00:04:43 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:04:53 exactly that. 00:06:55 palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has joined #lisp 00:09:20 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 00:10:37 wooo 00:13:35 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has quit [Quit: palter] 00:15:34 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:07 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 00:17:45 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19:13 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-58-31-206.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:22:57 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@host-90-237-182-146.mobileonline.telia.com] has left #lisp 00:25:20 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has joined #lisp 00:25:40 nyef: even 258 is a strange magic number... 00:30:46 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.9] 00:31:22 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@124-197-2-68.callplus.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:34:14 abend [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has joined #lisp 00:34:27 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 00:40:01 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:58 Yeah, exactly. And it's 258 everywhere. 00:41:10 Also getting some stray forwarding pointers, too. 00:41:24 -!- xan_ [~xan@chello213047069075.1.13.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:43:39 -!- roygbiv [~JohnRambo@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has left #lisp 00:46:06 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 00:48:37 fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a85-138-208-213.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 00:53:33 neoesque [~neoesque@114-47-1-15.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:15 -!- maden [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:19 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 01:01:16 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:01:45 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:04:28 MorganB [~user@wsip-98-188-196-29.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:26 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:06 freaktab [~chatzilla@dslb-088-075-196-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 01:12:33 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 01:14:04 Anarch [~olaf@c-67-171-37-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:14:21 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-107-213.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 01:18:07 -!- Madsy [~madman@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [] 01:19:52 Noodle [~Noodle@host86-137-200-184.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 01:20:07 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-200-144.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 01:20:07 sup guys 01:20:10 very new at lisp 01:20:55 Oh, another data point: These symptoms only appear to show up when there is more than one thread running. 01:21:11 I'm building with QSHOW_SIGNALS now, so hopefully I'll get a little more data. 01:21:38 i want to flatten a list (1 2 (2 3) 4) -> ( 1 2 2 3 4) 01:21:40 http://www.pastebin.ca/1893697 01:21:43 i have this so far 01:21:53 but get error thrown 01:22:20 "If you want to flatten a list, you built the list wrong in the first place." 01:22:34 Don't flatten lists, build flat lists to start with. 01:22:44 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-101-182.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:23:11 yes true 01:23:20 but it is a exercise.. 01:23:24 i'm trying to learn 01:24:37 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@h-69-3-39-78.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 01:25:56 ... There are more things wrong with that function definition than fish flavored soda. 01:26:16 How much programming experience do you have? 01:27:48 -!- freaktab [~chatzilla@dslb-088-075-196-213.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100628143222]] 01:29:06 well i'm a CS student 01:29:14 but ive been doing it for about 3/4 years 01:29:20 python/java/perl 01:29:24 bit of C++ 01:30:02 Okay, so possibly at the level at which PCL would be helpful. 01:30:10 minion: Tell Noodle about that-dead-sexy-book? 01:30:10 Noodle: have a look at that-dead-sexy-book: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 01:31:20 ha 01:31:25 yeah i've been looking at this one 01:31:34 still didn't help much 01:31:37 can be a bit cague 01:31:39 vague* 01:33:26 *Guthur* can taste the bewildered silence 01:33:36 Ugh. "attempted to scavenge non-descriptor value 2 at 0x40f6df28." 01:34:25 Wait, -what-? It looks like GC is being entered before all of the threads are stopped. 01:35:24 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:45 ysph [~user@adsl-221-198-35.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:53 Noodle: the lisp idiom for that kind of thing is a recursive function. 01:36:08 a func that recurses down the cdr's of the list. 01:42:24 yeah figured it out 01:42:27 cheers though 01:42:35 new it was recurisve... 01:42:43 was just struggling with the syntax 01:42:45 -!- Noodle [~Noodle@host86-137-200-184.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:47:02 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:48:01 -!- MorganB [~user@wsip-98-188-196-29.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:51:18 CummieSock [~UsedSockP@189.214.151.190.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has joined #lisp 01:51:26 Okay, waits for 10 threads, suspensions for 6, that leaves 4 unaccounted for... 01:51:36 -!- brett_h [~brett@pool-173-74-117-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51:53 -!- Guthur [~michael@host86-160-243-60.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51:57 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 01:56:04 -!- jp_larocque [~jp_larocq@number-41.thoughtcrime.us] has left #lisp 01:56:47 -!- curi [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:57:44 -!- Edward__ [edward@ARennes-299-1-47-163.w92-159.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 01:59:52 jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has joined #lisp 02:06:36 -!- CummieSock [~UsedSockP@189.214.151.190.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx] has quit [Quit: Haiti=Mierda] 02:06:43 prljavi_hari [~h@dh207-42-42.xnet.hr] has joined #lisp 02:09:23 badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:09:23 -!- badipod [~badipod@d110-32-130-188.sun800.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 02:09:23 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 02:12:00 Where do I put asdf packages folders like hunchentoot in emacs/sbcl on linux so I can install them from emacs ? 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03:17:13 -!- jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:19:40 (loop for line = (read-line f nil nil) while line collect line), modulo any typing errors, is fairly idiomatic. 03:20:11 (for extended loop users, anyway) 03:28:42 Snamich [~Snamich@32.171.239.9] has joined #lisp 03:36:46 mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:37:53 -!- fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a85-138-208-213.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:41:37 rme, thanks! 03:46:15 -!- gz` [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:47:11 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 03:47:43 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 03:48:40 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:50:45 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:52 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:05 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-245-132.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:58:04 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 04:09:25 -!- ysph [~user@adsl-221-198-35.mgm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:16:03 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 04:21:15 az [~az@2a01:4f8:101:4a2::9c00] has joined #lisp 04:23:51 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:24:00 galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-48-151.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 04:25:31 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@vaxjo7.165.cust.blixtvik.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:35:10 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.152.109] has joined #lisp 04:41:32 aidalgol [~user@118.148.191.6] has joined #lisp 04:43:46 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:44:30 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:45:01 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:48:15 xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.56.65] has joined #lisp 04:48:53 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49:27 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:50:58 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51:02 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:51:35 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:52:44 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:54:33 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 04:55:33 gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:56:13 -!- jbd [~user@67-198-71-121.dyn.grandenetworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:57:39 aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has joined #lisp 05:07:46 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-209-72.net.novis.pt] has left #lisp 05:14:12 -!- m``_ [~m@usealice.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:57 m`` [~m@usealice.org] has joined #lisp 05:19:43 -!- gko [~user@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:20:47 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.152.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:27:08 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 05:27:36 -!- lexa_ is now known as Guest83796 05:28:22 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 05:33:13 -!- hankhero [~Adium@c213-89-201-154.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:43 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:27 -!- aidalgol [~user@118.148.191.6] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:37:54 what's the d for at the end of pi? 05:37:55 pi --> 3.141592653589793d0 05:37:58 d0* 05:38:11 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.152.109] has joined #lisp 05:39:25 it stands for danish. 05:40:06 if by "danish" you mean "double-float", then yes. 05:42:09 gz [~gz@209-6-40-245.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 05:43:09 HET2 [~diman@chello084114129176.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 05:44:08 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.140.233] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:46:56 Good morning! 05:49:27 -!- Guest83796 [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 05:49:47 good morning. 05:50:29 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-73.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:56:29 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-234.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 06:11:27 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-66-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 06:15:00 jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-12.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:18:52 lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 06:26:33 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:30:12 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:35:21 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 06:35:30 -!- rme [rme@clozure-63F64230.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 06:35:30 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-106-137-141.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 06:38:34 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 06:43:59 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-58-8-48-151.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:44:15 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-112-57.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 06:44:38 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 06:48:58 stassats [~stassats@pppoe.178-66-69-140.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 06:49:01 -!- stassats [~stassats@pppoe.178-66-69-140.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has quit [Changing host] 06:49:01 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 06:49:29 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 06:50:34 gzip4_ [~xxx@78.108.73.250] has joined #lisp 06:50:38 galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-61-90-27-110.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 06:50:46 symbole [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 06:51:44 -!- gzip4 [~xxx@78.108.73.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52:05 Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 06:54:28 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-64-200-182.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:54:52 how is a symbol's name, as returned by (symbol-name), used? i don't think the reader uses it to find a corresponding symbol, so what purpose does it serve? 06:55:14 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.56.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:55:22 cmm [~cmm@bzq-109-64-200-182.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 06:55:27 reader USED it to intern the symbol 06:55:36 gonzojive_ [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 06:56:11 symbol: One obvious purpose is to be able to print the symbol 06:57:02 Is there some function in ASDF that given a pathname to a lisp source file, returns the possibly mapped pathname of the resulting fasl file? 06:57:17 Ideally a function that is cross-compatible b/w asdf1 and asdf2 06:57:24 -!- aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:49 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-61-90-27-110.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: galaxywatcher] 07:01:44 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:02:06 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:02:14 is there a reason why symbols like :foo aren't interned using ":foo", but instead "foo"? 07:02:48 symbole: :foo is a notation that means that they are interned in the keyword package. 07:02:50 because the leading : isn't a part of a name 07:04:16 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-66-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 07:04:18 i see. the symbol's name is "foo", and it lives inside KEYWORD. for convenience, :foo would reference "foo" in KEYWORD. 07:04:36 that's right 07:05:25 jwein [~jwein@host6-75-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 07:05:26 understood. thanks. 07:05:39 and if there's no such symbol in KEYWORD, it would be interned and made a constant bound to :foo itself 07:07:48 i see. 07:08:52 so keywords are convenient as identifiers across packages 07:10:36 -!- m`` [~m@usealice.org] has quit [Quit: alice.] 07:10:51 m`` [~m@usealice.org] has joined #lisp 07:12:30 galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-61-90-20-186.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 07:12:53 i would like to get my terminology straight, because i see some inconsistencies in texts. let's say i have an expression (foo). then foo is a token/string that refers to a symbol object, who's name may be something other than "foo". is that correct? 07:13:37 is there any other language that has something similar to cl keywords? seems unique to me and a hell of a good idea. 07:14:01 bytecolor: do you mean keyword parameters? 07:14:44 stassats: no, :foo has a specific `type' a symbol that evaluates to itself 07:14:48 seems like symbol object, symbol, and variable are used interchangeably very often. 07:15:10 symbole: Usually, the name of the symbol is FOO. 07:15:19 bytecolor: i know, that's what i just told 07:16:03 symbole: A symbol is the name of a variable. Several variables may have the same name. 07:16:03 splittist [~David@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 07:16:06 morning 07:16:07 stassats: oh, I though you were referencing another languages 'keyword parameters', my parser needs work ;) 07:16:08 hello splittist 07:16:09 bytecolor: though keyword symbols and keyword parameter may be confusing 07:16:25 symbole: A symbol and a symbol object is the same thing. 07:16:45 or rather, ambiguous 07:16:51 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 07:17:04 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-61-90-20-186.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:17:19 bytecolor: first, not many languages have symbols at all 07:17:32 -!- Jubb [Jubb@129.21.137.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:17:34 good point 07:17:47 alright. that clears it up. 07:20:10 I think what I like most about :foo is _any_ package can us it and it always means the same thing, the sematics are in the name of the symbol 07:20:16 hard to 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When I fire up my lisp session, it works all right, then some time later, the slime indents sb-thread:with-mutex in a wrong way, anyone else noticed this? 12:39:48 M-x slime-update-indentation doesn't help 12:40:07 Slime updates Emacs indentation information for stuff that was loaded into the image 12:40:38 in your case, I guess you're not connected when it get its wrong 12:40:53 tcr: no, I'm connected 12:41:19 Are you qualifying the symbol with the package qualifier? 12:41:29 -!- jwein [~jwein@host6-75-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #lisp 12:41:36 If not, does you buffer contain an (in-package) form with a package that USES sb-thread? 12:42:00 -!- zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:42:14 gz__ [~gz@68.114.86.82] has joined #lisp 12:42:14 gz_ [~gz@68.114.86.82] has joined #lisp 12:42:17 tcr: oo, my package dosnte :use sb-thread 12:42:57 if I press space after sb-thread:with-mutex, the parameters are listed correctly in the echo area 12:43:08 so my lisp / slime certainly know about this 12:43:39 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:45:38 Found a serious bug in SLIME but don't know how to debug it. 12:46:18 It can render emacs unusable. 12:46:50 -!- loxs [~loxs@78.90.124.181] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47:40 Try to reproduce it without using slime-fontify-fu 12:50:58 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 12:54:03 -!- Phoodus [foo@174-17-116-185.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:25 tcr: I can confirm it is fault of slime-fontify-fu. 12:54:49 what Emacs version? 12:54:54 I use rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.9 (Mac OS X 10.6.4) 12:55:51 Try to minimalize the code in your buffer, make it self-contained (so I can compile it) and send it to slime-devel 12:56:07 You can try to find the culprit yourself of course 12:56:50 I insert calls to http://paste.lisp.org/display/79366 into appropriate places and interactively redo what the code does 12:57:00 tcr: let me see if it fails on all lisp files. 12:59:46 tcr: when it hit C-g (many times), it prints "No default connection selected. Switch to sbcl? (y or n)" 13:00:25 after hitting y, it becomes responsive again. 13:02:19 *Xach* gets his Amazon S3 bill today: $0.15 13:02:29 Sounds like it lacks to bind a certain variable (something with autoconnect) in one of the entry points of slime-fontify-fu 13:03:16 tcr: I think it is slime-auto-select-connection. I'll find out the exact cause. 13:03:30 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 13:04:09 yeah slime-fonfitfy-fu should bind that :no or whatever the value is that denotes no autoconnection 13:04:14 If I use (defun) in CL inside of other function's body, would it be a local function (like in scheme)? 13:05:03 no 13:05:12 clhs labels 13:05:12 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_flet_.htm 13:05:12 hmm ok 13:05:16 clhs flet 13:05:16 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_flet_.htm 13:05:18 thanks 13:05:22 no problem 13:05:47 maxcom`: Use flet or labels (depending on whether you need recursive functions or not). 13:06:03 I need recursive function 13:06:10 Then use labels 13:06:23 I think I'm using the wrong technique tho 13:06:36 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-118-99.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:38 Im trying to use local functions to construct iterator 13:06:52 but CL is not a functional language tho 13:07:00 can this be considered as good style? 13:07:13 maxcom`: You would have to lisppaste some code. 13:07:19 minion: lisppaste 13:07:30 ok 13:07:37 lisppaste url 13:07:40 bah! 13:07:42 tcr: no connection is caused this way. connect to swank1, connect to swank2, disconnect swank2. the prompt from slime-auto-select-connection didn't appear on the minibuffer. 13:08:29 http://paste.lisp.org/+2EIC 13:08:57 well i gotta change that (defun iter) to label 13:09:07 maxcom`: That is bad for many reasons. 13:09:22 :O 13:09:23 tcr: swank1 and swank2 are on different ports if that matters. 13:09:37 beach: why?? 13:09:43 leo2007: I'm off watching football 13:09:55 maxcom`: You rarely use recursion on linear structures such as lists in Lisp. 13:10:17 maxcom`: Instead you use higher order functions or iteration. 13:10:59 maxcom`: Furthermore, it is preferable to call your variable `list' as opposed to `lst' which is needed in Scheme because Scheme is a Lisp-1. 13:11:15 maxcom`: Same for length and len. 13:11:23 Yeah I'm trying to write an iterative process 13:11:37 re: Instead you use higher order functions or iteration. 13:11:54 maxcom`: CL is not guaranteed to eliminate tail calls, so you might end up consuming stack. 13:11:58 If the REPL quits working, is there some way to reset it? 13:12:12 beach: sbcl does it tho 13:12:14 so 13:12:16 :) 13:12:20 lat: Restart the Lisp process. 13:12:32 maxcom`: Yes, but you don't want to rely on a particular implementation. 13:13:36 maxcom`: In this case, use (loop for element in list count t) for instance. 13:14:15 tcr: enjoy it. I'll try to nail it. 13:16:20 beach: well I just prefer function style in general 13:16:25 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.129.100] has quit [Quit: Well, the machine might have gone down. Brb after a reboot.] 13:16:28 and i dont think it's a big deal 13:17:03 maxcom`: Well you asked. If you don't like the advice you get, I don't know that there is anything I can do for you. 13:17:31 No, no, I appreciate your advice 13:17:38 please dont get me wrng 13:18:39 and, there are no side effects in the loop expression, so it is functional. 13:21:12 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 13:27:03 so, closures are done with labels too? 13:30:37 semyon421 [~semyon@ip-95-221-69-173.bb.netbynet.ru] has joined #lisp 13:31:23 _icecube_ [~icecube@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 13:31:35 maxcom`: or with lambda if you want them in variable space right away. 13:31:36 -!- _icecube_ [~icecube@p50993726.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 13:31:45 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:32:03 oh, true 13:32:04 thx 13:32:51 ywlcm 13:35:01 tcr: ah I see.. Slime doesn't take the package into account, so if I have "with-foo" macro in package BAR and a different with-foo macro in package BAZ, then slime only knows the indent rule of one of them, not both 13:35:30 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:53 ignotus: That means SLIME *does* take the package into account, no? 13:36:09 beach: nope 13:36:51 beach: in the cl-indent::method function you can see, that slime chops the package qualifier away 13:38:25 or when slime asks the swank for indent information, the reply is in this format: (("with-mutex" . 1) ("with-recursive-lock" . 1) ("with-all-threads-lock" . 0) ("with-mutex" . 0)) 13:38:50 no package names at all, and notice the dupe "with-mutex" with different indent instruction, thats why my slime indent got borked, if I had both of them loaded 13:39:35 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 13:40:54 beach, how do I restart the lisp process? 13:40:56 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 13:42:29 super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 13:43:20 davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has joined #lisp 13:45:04 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.139.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:36 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:46:23 lat: ,restart-inferior-lisp 13:46:24 dandelions [~snk_kid@87-194-128-26.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:46:28 http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/clmax/please_boycott_this_author/ 13:49:35 -!- dandelions [~snk_kid@87-194-128-26.bethere.co.uk] has left #lisp 13:50:22 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:50:25 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-158.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:53:54 -!- Pohsul [Pohsul@62.32.128.91] has quit [] 13:56:48 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-107-213.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:58:02 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 14:00:37 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-129-229.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:54 G'morning all. 14:01:01 hello nyef 14:01:06 hi nyef 14:06:59 hvs [~user@adsl-75-34-28-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:08:17 hey nyef 14:08:33 -!- hvs [~user@adsl-75-34-28-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:09:33 hvs [~user@75.34.28.116] has joined #lisp 14:09:46 mk2` [~user@159.92.64.121] has joined #lisp 14:09:49 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:09:53 manic12 [~andrew@99-100-67-123.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:30 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:11:40 nyef: I have a question, I was reading http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/TODO.Win32 (you wrote this document, right?) and was interested in point 4e. I tried implementing a simple SetConsoleCtrlHandler with some moderate success, but I don't see how one could break out of something like a (loop) (which SBCL compiles to a plain lbl: jmp lbl (#xEB #xEF)) without using any sort of threads. 14:11:57 *EB FE 14:17:59 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:21:33 Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 14:21:33 mrbug [~mrbug@unaffiliated/mrbug] has joined #lisp 14:21:51 ljames: The ConsoleCtrlHandler is already called on its own thread. 14:22:48 -!- gz [Clozure@A2F8F1F5.39FB7672.9554EAA1.IP] has quit [Ping timeout] 14:22:59 -!- gz__ [~gz@68.114.86.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:22:59 -!- gz_ [~gz@68.114.86.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:23:28 Umm... And I forget if the fix for ignoring the ConsoleCtrlHandler is in place, but if it isn't then even if the event is ignored the system will read it as an EOF in the input stream. 14:23:32 I also have no idea how'd that interact with the GC, but the only thing I do in the handler is set a special http://paste.lisp.org/display/112117 14:23:46 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:23:56 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:17 *nyef* winces. 14:24:39 Again, the handler is called on a separate thread, which isn't known to the lisp runtime. 14:24:42 I guess I should look at how other implementations handle it. CCL seems to just run a housekeeping function which runs (break) if the flag is set. 14:24:59 CCL has threading support. 14:25:05 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:25:09 If you put that handler in a threaded SBCL, it -will- choke. 14:25:42 ah. I haven't tried running this code in that sbcl-win32-threads port. 14:25:50 it runs in single-threaded SBCL fine though 14:25:59 Essentially, your console control handler -has- to do an interrupt-thread. 14:26:07 but of course, C-c won't break the running thread, just set said special. 14:27:57 ... And why would you try to specify a library for a -callback-? 14:28:28 On Win32, an export belongs to a library, so you can have 2 functions with the same name exported from 2 different libraries. 14:28:40 Think of symbols belonging to packages in CL 14:28:51 It's similar to exports belonging to libraries in Win32. 14:29:29 But it's a callback, you're passing a direct pointer, not exporting it from a library. 14:29:53 oh, nevermind, I was being stupid there. That comment should have been for defcfun. 14:30:09 -!- mrbug [~mrbug@unaffiliated/mrbug] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30:31 Mmm. 14:30:37 Ah, right, CFFI. 14:31:03 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:31:10 Hence why I was surprised also at the :calling-convention :stdcall, which I don't remember adding to SBCL. 14:31:11 mrbug [~mrbug@unaffiliated/mrbug] has joined #lisp 14:32:09 thunk [~thunk@unaffiliated/thunk] has joined #lisp 14:32:25 I should have probably written it using SBCL's FFI, but I haven't read its FFI's documentation yet. 14:33:21 -!- mrbug [~mrbug@unaffiliated/mrbug] has quit [Client Quit] 14:35:45 -!- mcc [~mike@ip68-104-164-151.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:13 One of the problems with adding support for selecting a specific library to foreign-symbol lookup in SBCL is actually the syntax of EXTERN-ALIEN. 14:37:28 It's also a surprisingly hairy change even if you get past that, as the assumption of not having an associated library goes all the way down to the FASL format. 14:37:49 well, It's not a huge problem. I suppose if someone really needs to have 2 functions having the same name imported from 2 different libraries, they can just call GetProcAddress, get the SAP, and call it directly. 14:38:02 it'd be hacky, but it'll probably work 14:38:16 ... What happens if two threads try to enter GC at the same time? 14:38:39 the other problem is that SBCL uses dlopen with RTLD_GLOBAL on *NIX 14:39:03 Okay, there's a lock on world-stopping. That helps, I guess... 14:40:05 (sb!thread:with-mutex (*already-in-gc*) 14:40:55 minion: paste 112118? 14:40:55 Paste number 112118: "The sequence of events I'm seeing" by nyef in #lisp. http://paste.lisp.org/display/112118 14:41:12 tcr: the bug seems to be harder than it looks. Workaround: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/233130. 14:43:11 I have the GC validation turned up to max, and it's not catching anything. 14:43:22 So the heap looks good at the end of the previous GC. 14:43:57 is that when scavenging a control stack? 14:44:16 ... Don't know, actually. 14:45:37 Hunh. That's not a heap space, either. 14:45:48 Can't be a control stack, they're scavenged in larger increments. 14:45:52 Must be a register context? 14:48:06 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 14:48:30 try to go conservative on registers? 14:48:57 -!- lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:20 tommi_ [~tommi@nem5.kyla.fi] has joined #lisp 14:49:22 Shouldn't have to. 14:50:00 that'll eliminate one source of problems; seems easier than identifying whether a VOP doesn't respect the convention. 14:50:02 Adding more FSHOW to the GC so I know if it's dying on scavenging a control stack or context, and which thread. 14:50:27 -!- tommi_ [~tommi@nem5.kyla.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 14:50:43 catnap [~tommi@nem5.kyla.fi] has joined #lisp 14:50:49 Any VOP that disses the convention should have been caught long since, surely? 14:51:16 why do I get error message when I try to load paip files? 14:51:29 lat [~lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 14:51:32 nyef: even multithreading VOPs? 14:51:36 -!- revel0__ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:51:45 Desk-checked them several times. 14:52:07 rtoym, thanks! 14:52:08 I'll re-check the CAS ones soon, though. 14:52:46 catnap: You'll have to be more specific. All we can tell you now is "because something went wrong". 14:53:15 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:53:55 nyef: ok, but I thought that there might be people here that have experienced the same problem, so that I don't need to be so specific 14:55:04 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:06 We don't even know which lisp you're using, which files you're having a problem with, or which error messages you're getting. 14:55:35 ntd [~user@209-6-44-44.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 14:55:59 I'm using sbcl version 1.0.29.11 - I downloaded the paip files from http://norvig.com/paip/README.html and loaded with (load "auxfns.lisp") 14:56:41 And the error message? 14:56:56 following error message displays it self: Lock on package COMMON-LISP violated when setting fdefinition of 14:56:59 SYMBOL. 14:57:00 Ah. 14:58:15 abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 14:58:22 Hunh. There's a big fat NOTE right above the definition for symbol that says "it would be best to rename this". 14:59:14 Anyway, you can either use a without-package-locks or whatever it's called, or if you actually got a debugger you should be able to pick a restart that has the effect of "do it anyway". 15:00:51 there really seems to be a note ment for ansi lisp users 15:01:12 I tried ignoring the lock 15:01:46 So, one possibility that occurs with respect to the interrupt context thing is that PA can be used in the runtime and is used over the C<->Lisp transitions, which might lead to faking a call frame and stashing the context as a lisp context even though it's a C context. 15:01:59 gabnet [~gabnet@sma83-1-88-185-8-89.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:08 eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has joined #lisp 15:03:16 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:04:13 nyef: I got rid of the previous problem, but now sbcl says that examples.bin doesn't exist 15:04:31 And does it? 15:04:53 hi [~gross221@77-22-161-202-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 15:04:54 it doesn't, because it didn't come with the other paip files 15:05:13 -!- hi is now known as Guest206 15:05:27 -!- Guest206 [~gross221@77-22-161-202-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #lisp 15:05:42 does lisp compiler create that sort of files? 15:06:18 mejja [~user@c-14bee555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:07:11 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-204-9.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:12 Looks like that file is created by some code in the section of auxfns.lisp titled "REQUIRES". 15:07:17 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:25 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:31 clhs file-write-date 15:08:31 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_file_w.htm 15:08:58 Yeah, that's a bug in LOAD-PAIP-FILE. 15:10:13 Change (bin-date (file-write-date bin))) to (bin-date (and (probe-file bin) (file-write-date bin)))). 15:10:40 Or call (compile-all-paip-files) before you use REQUIRES. 15:11:15 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:11:56 is it common for a CL interpreter to complaint (fire an exception) when I try to kill it witl C-c C-c inside Emacs? 15:12:32 It is common for it to enter the debugger in such circumstances, if that's what you're asking. 15:13:11 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:18 and why is that? 15:13:34 I mean, it just has to die so that I can restart it 15:13:51 It's common because it's specified that a user-interrupt gesture at the keyboard should enter the debugger. 15:14:21 Blkt: Not so common that people want to restart their lisp. 15:14:23 so how do I kill it? 15:14:29 I see 15:14:39 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 15:14:47 Why do you want to kill your lisp? 15:15:04 Typically, there's something you can do from the debugger or the normal REPL to kill the image. 15:15:14 Blkt: typically, by calling an implementation-specific function named QUIT. 15:15:37 I get "; Evaluation aborted" 15:16:42 This is normal ,ya. 15:16:56 Of course, QUIT doesn't actually -work- on threaded SBCL outside of the initial thread. 15:17:22 nyef: thank you for your help - I was able to run the test 15:19:19 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:48 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:22:36 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:45 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:50 Okay, first test, and it's a context scavenge that died. 15:23:45 I tried that student program - it's rather cool 15:25:43 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:00 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:24 ZabaQ [~john.conn@40.103-84-212.ippool.ndo.com] has joined #lisp 15:37:04 Xantoz [~hejhej@c83-251-229-110.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:38:57 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 15:39:01 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:39:40 Krystof [~csr21@AMontsouris-153-1-24-93.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:41:24 -!- galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:42:45 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:44:05 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-112-57.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:51 Over two cases investigated thus far, the "corrupt" context has been from a thread suspended after entering maybe_gc. 15:47:02 pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 15:48:15 -!- Krystof [~csr21@AMontsouris-153-1-24-93.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52:01 Yup. Found some badness. 15:52:19 -!- austinh [~austinh@c-24-21-81-46.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:54:22 Hrm. Maybe badness. 15:56:39 -!- gabnet [~gabnet@sma83-1-88-185-8-89.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 15:56:43 Yeah, a pending-interrupt trap can occur from the middle of C code. 15:59:06 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 16:02:37 maden [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:02:51 -!- maden [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:14 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-99-54-127-246.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:48 -!- benny [~user@i577A7D92.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:06:16 revel0__ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 16:07:16 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-177-233.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:08:58 xavieran [~xavieran@dsl-220-235-118-249.sa.westnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 16:11:04 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-12.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:12:09 Okay, it's not badness caused by runtime use of PA... 16:12:19 quit does work when called with :recklessly-p t 16:14:15 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:14:29 galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:20 -!- galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:16:40 galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:45 -!- splittist [~David@30-245.62-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:38 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:52 minion: infix? 16:20:53 infix: Infix reader-macro by Mark Kantrowitz. http://www.cliki.net/infix 16:21:10 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:20 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@dsl-220-235-118-249.sa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit:  Unicode shall reign forever! ] 16:21:57 it seems some numerical forms can be best expressed using infix syntax. I wonder which package on cliki is most reliable for this? 16:22:35 Hrm. Looks like it's a case of one thread having -done- a GC, but not yet having entered POST_GC, and another thread starting another GC. 16:23:26 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:06 metasyntax [~taylor@72.86.89.174] has joined #lisp 16:27:39 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-204-9.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:29:19 benny [~user@i577A3281.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:29:39 -!- Snamich [~Snamich@32.171.239.9] has quit [Quit: Snamich] 16:33:50 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:49 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:39:29 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.152.109] has joined #lisp 16:41:29 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45:35 -!- hvs [~user@75.34.28.116] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:48 cowhm [~cowhm@207.sub-97-46-16.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 16:47:15 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:51:08 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:04 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:04 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 16:55:19 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 16:56:40 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 16:57:03 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:32 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:00 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 16:59:17 davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has joined #lisp 17:00:12 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:01:09 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 17:01:28 leo2007: maxima. 17:02:15 drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:21 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:06:33 This time for sure! It turns out that sig_stop_for_gc_handler() doesn't check for being in foreign code before faking up a call frame. 17:09:13 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-99-54-127-246.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 17:09:43 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 17:12:35 -!- revel0__ [~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:16 pjb: it would seem to me a lot of time to migrate over to maxima. My code is currently based on gsll+plplot. 17:14:23 -!- mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:16:43 What's a good 17:16:45 Whoops 17:16:46 Sorry 17:17:18 It's like a service, only better? 17:20:22 carlocci [~nes@93.37.197.103] has joined #lisp 17:20:42 xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.95.165] has joined #lisp 17:24:03 -!- konr [~user@201.82.129.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:49 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:17 gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 17:32:43 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 17:37:09 abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 17:39:10 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:39:42 what is the best natural language parser? 17:39:54 Hrm... One improvement: Now I'm only catching flak from the heap verification. 17:40:04 catnap: The human brain, of course! 17:40:53 catnap: apart from the human brain, chimp brains, dolphin brains, dog brains, then depending on the language some software or other... 17:41:35 let us concider only software 17:41:48 I'd say it would depend on the language you want. 17:42:13 Let us consider the human mind to be software running on a rather squishy hardware platform. 17:42:17 all human language has the same deep structure 17:42:25 chomsky call it a "fabric" 17:42:34 Chomsky was full of it. 17:43:37 as lispers you should promote SHRDLU 17:43:46 Oh hell no. 17:43:48 but in truth, I think it's a bit outdated 17:44:52 state of art uses probabilistic approach 17:45:37 The other side of "best natural language parser" is "best for what purpose?" 17:46:51 What's the difference between scheme's map and cl's mapcar? 17:47:22 At the very least... three letters? 17:47:30 heh 17:48:10 At first I tought it's like (map) but applies function only to first argument of each list in list of lists 17:48:14 since it has 'car' 17:48:42 those are indeed important questions, but I think the essence of natural language parser is just that it finds the deep structure from given input 17:50:23 ziarkaen [~ziarkaen@87.115.173.142] has joined #lisp 17:51:37 seriously 17:51:41 why not `map' 17:51:47 why `mapcar'?? 17:52:42 clhs map 17:52:42 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_map.htm 17:53:28 Actually, there's a bunch of similarly-named mapping functions in CL that make sense once you organize them by name and function. 17:53:31 clhs mapcar 17:53:31 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mapc_.htm 17:53:33 Wait until you discover NRECONC 17:55:21 hmm 17:55:35 so basically in (map) you set up a return format? 17:57:08 Yes, because it's a sequence function, not a list function. 17:57:24 But that's the CL MAP, not the scheme MAP. 17:57:47 tcr: I didn't work out the bug. the y-or-n-p stuff seems to be placed inside an infinite loop and only y can exit it. 17:58:05 nyef: yea 17:58:14 leo2007: I've seen this behaviour and thought it was fixed nowadays 17:58:26 :( 17:58:54 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 17:59:12 tcr: my slime is from 2010-06-22. 17:59:31 scheme is more clear than cl in some ways 17:59:32 -!- eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has quit [Quit: eugu] 17:59:32 god 17:59:33 this 17:59:38 lisperati thing was written 17:59:41 by a cool guy 17:59:42 imo 18:01:48 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 18:01:48 18:01:48 -!- names: ccl-logbot ziarkaen gravicappa abugosh gko xiackok carlocci lolsuper_ drewc tychoish astoon zomgbie cowhm SandGorgon benny metasyntax galdor sepult pjb Xantoz ZabaQ mejja abeaumont ntd lat catnap Zephyrus thunk bgs100 Xach manic12 mk2` nyef jleija semyon421 mattrepl ignotus hohoho ljames spoofy Guthur dto zophy Athas kleppari micro_ legumbre pavelludiq gzip4__ Yuuhi Euthydemus Blkt Kolyan AntiSpamMeta derrida [df] boyscared johs Axioplase_ rapacity yacin 18:01:48 -!- names: codemonkeyx tic leo2007 c|mell morphling sanjoyd galaxywatcher mrSpec Aszarsha m`` cmm Demosthenes lhz ace4016 HET2 gz az mindCrime hefner mbohun Salamander Anarch abend Drakeson schmrkc burton MrWGW johanbev fda314925 hanneso Buganini vsync kencausey xristos yahooooo p8m hohum fihi09 erg adeht mgr beach delYsid rlonstein copec Ralith BrianRice lemoinem lichtblau Tabmow pr lnostdal amaron sytse inklesspen Fade zbigniew cods andreer ianmcorvidae ski 18:01:48 -!- names: herbieB Helheim kuwabara krappie ojuice levene rsynnott ecraven scode Zhivago Ginei_Morioka ve koollman luis Khisanth froydnj PissedNumlock bfein dcrawford dejones qsun Aperculum l_a_m fgtech^ Pepe_ rlpowell rotty tvaalen pok bougyman jrockway @Xof bakkdoor mal__ tmitt aoh DrForr z0d peddie_ frodef qebab devon mtd antifuchs housel Draggor emma hdurer`` joast Dodek billitch1 hc_e chiiph Adrinael spiaggia hugod varjag ramus kvsari Patzy reb djm ``Erik 18:01:48 -!- names: kloeri Odin- rtoym carrl clop joga acieroid stettberger cpt_nemo gonzojive Taggnostr clog Amadiro mathrick nuba df_aldur pkhuong_ m4thrick tomaw felipe djinni` arbscht WOG lusory eldragon tsuru x-ip xinming slyrus_ leadnose fe[nl]ix holycow rootzlevel _3b _3b` Fare Intensity mqt jpanest zc00gii tltstc setheus dmiles_afk erk__ ineiros prip_ stepnem oconnore_ Obfuscate rahul eno _2x2l rdd trebor_dki Adlai dym billstclair grouzen_ barcon332 srcerer akamaus 18:01:48 -!- names: kejsaren lisppaste minion specbot rtra mornfall callen hypno slyrus tcr TDT` CrazyEddy daniel_ redline6561 maxcom` mon_key phadthai silenius christoph_debian cYmen nasloc__ sjbach turbo24prg Yamazaki-kun foom ri4a joshe jsnell Tordek Tasunteld kephas araujo alec Lycurgus spacebat pchrist Tanami sad0ur sykopomp 18:01:49 Swank is the CL implementation of the Slime protocol server 18:01:55 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 18:01:59 obviously you have to implement it in python etc 18:02:18 [mzm] [~ziggy@92.98.236.27] has joined #lisp 18:02:22 However, Slime-mode is a minor for lisp-mode 18:02:25 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.152.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:02:35 Really if you want to have a slime-like thing for another language, start from a new 18:02:42 mega1 [~quassel@catv4E5CABA2.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #lisp 18:03:06 pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 18:03:34 -!- pkhuong is now known as Guest91151 18:03:55 maxcom`: and revappend 18:04:25 clhs revappend 18:04:26 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_revapp.htm 18:04:26 well that name at least makes sense even though abbreviated 18:04:53 tcr: what's the reason to start anew? that would seem a lot of effort and bugs. 18:05:04 no 18:05:08 it does not 18:05:17 revappend only reverses the first list 18:06:12 see you later 18:06:14 -!- catnap [~tommi@nem5.kyla.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:06:39 leo2007: I'm lost where you see potential for much code sharing 18:06:54 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-29-151-107.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 18:11:15 tcr: I probably misunderstood your comment "Really if you want to have a slime-like thing for another language, start from a new". 18:11:55 What's to misunderstand there? 18:12:17 do you mean start the whole thing from scratch? 18:12:25 symbole [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:51 If you want to have a slime-like editing mode for python, or ruby, yes 18:13:34 I've seen some python-0.1 emacs code passing by today. 18:13:43 is it because they have don't have code as data? 18:14:14 Where would you think code could be shared? 18:14:34 If you answer is "Don't know", I'm afraid you must just accept my comment for granted 18:14:52 tcr: I wasn't interested so I didn't take note, but it was a publish announcement on some newsgroups. Perhaps gnus.emacs.help. 18:15:33 I'm not interested either 18:15:55 Trying to earn my money with Lisp :-) 18:15:58 I probably agree with your comment anyways. 18:16:30 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-177-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:21 My experience as a (forced) user of some python programs is not so good. I'd really would be much more confortable and comforted if they were written in lisp. 18:17:45 That people are starting to write robots in python is not reassuring either. 18:17:53 My experience is that Python mostly lacks Slime 18:18:05 otherwise it's pretty okayisch 18:18:08 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-177-233.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:18:11 They don't know how to handle errors either. 18:20:37 tcr: I have already accepted your comment but was trying to see why. 18:21:41 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:55 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:22:06 leo2007: how would a lisp server be any bit helpful if you all of a sudden rather program in python instead? 18:23:17 the problem is that not even the emacs side (or much of it anyway) could be shared because Slime is obviously lisp-specific 18:23:20 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:23:30 maybe it could have been written more general but there was no point in it 18:23:46 and I don't think any development in such direction would be welcomed 18:23:49 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:52 or would even make sense 18:24:01 just makes things more complicated for no apparant reason 18:24:23 well 18:24:51 that means that you can build slime for scheme/clojure on top of standart slime 18:24:59 Doesn't it? 18:25:42 Kind of 18:25:54 tcr: I have no complaint though. Just feel SLIME is so useful why isn't it available for other languages. 18:26:48 Culture 18:29:18 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:29:48 nor is emacs such a clear-cut chooice for other languages. many have IDEs and/or external debuggers and tools, and others implements their own "version" of slime-like functionality in emacs anyway. 18:33:32 daniel [~daniel@p5082EE20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:45 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:36:33 -!- daniel_ [~daniel@p5082C8D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 18:43:47 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100628124739]] 18:46:15 moah [~gnu@178.1.127.144] has joined #lisp 18:48:57 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.5.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49:04 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:38 -!- galaxywatcher [~galaxywat@ppp-61-90-27-110.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: galaxywatcher] 18:50:10 -!- gko [~gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: none] 18:51:48 tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 18:52:07 blandest [~user@79.112.113.208] has joined #lisp 18:52:48 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-198-251.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 18:56:36 -!- tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:58:17 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:40 Lis [~Lis@business-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:43 Hello everyone. 18:59:44 Good evening! 19:00:04 hello Lis! 19:00:14 -!- AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has left #lisp 19:00:16 I have this simple code: (DEFUN HELLO() (print "Hello world!")) (HELLO) and if I paste it into ECL it just prints HELLO 19:00:20 AqD|Home [~AqD|Home@122-116-21-207.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:21 what am I doing wrong 19:01:16 you forgot lambda () ? 19:01:31 Lis: What happens if you type it rather than pasting it? 19:01:54 It prints hello world. But only if I press return after the () defun 19:02:16 If I enter (HELLO) again manually it also prints hello world twice 19:04:35 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:36 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:07:41 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 19:08:14 Lis: Get a different Lisp system if you want to do things like that. That is not the normal way of doing things, though. 19:09:26 https://sourceforge.net/projects/mod-ecl/files/ No this is not possible becouse I was so annoyed before 2 days that lisp is not really usable with apache I developed this 19:09:45 it is early alpha stage. So no guaratee it will work for all tasks 19:09:55 brb 19:11:51 people use something like mod_proxy (a reverse proxy) with apache (and/or lighttpd, nginx etc. too), Lis 19:16:07 xan_ [~xan@chello213047069075.1.13.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 19:16:10 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:20:10 hadronzoo [~user@ppp-70-251-66-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:30 itheos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 19:22:21 With the GC thing mostly-sorted, I'm now trying the threads.pure.lisp tests, and getting a reliable failure on :semaphore-multiple-waiters. 19:23:09 -!- aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:24:47 aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has joined #lisp 19:25:00 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 19:25:45 konr [~user@201.82.129.247] has joined #lisp 19:26:12 -!- semyon421 [~semyon@ip-95-221-69-173.bb.netbynet.ru] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:26:45 -!- Drakeson [~user@76-10-142-153.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:42 -!- itheos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has left #lisp 19:30:20 -!- Guest91151 is now known as pkhuong 19:32:03 drewc` [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:49 billitch [~billitch@rob92-1-82-67-155-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:33:11 And one more bug that got through the desk-check: raw-instance-atomic-incf/word had the lifetimes screwed up (seen in disassembly). 19:34:00 -!- drewc [~user@S01060013101b6ddb.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:37:27 -!- ntd [~user@209-6-44-44.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:38:52 sykopomp [~user@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:03 Hello, if i have a list like: ((A 1 2 3) (B 2 3) (C 1 3)), how can i find all letters which are associated with specified number? 19:40:11 (assoc) wont work 19:40:28 maybe there is other `assoc' function? 19:41:23 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-135-92.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:41:54 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:42:01 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:42:15 Perhaps something similar to FIND-IF or EVERY? 19:42:22 maxcom`: sometimes you just have to code it yourself. 19:42:35 heh, ok 19:43:15 -!- leadnose [leadnose@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:43:32 and then maybe somwhere provide the code snippet in a blog post or something. 19:43:46 (remove 3 '((A 1 2 3) (B 2 3) (C 1 3)) :key #'cdr :test-not #'member) 19:43:57 leadnose [leadnose@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #lisp 19:44:28 ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has joined #lisp 19:44:31 hello 19:44:39 of course, if that's your input, you should either not want to do that or change the input data structure. 19:45:08 -!- turbo24prg [~turbo24pr@turbolent.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:45:43 -!- hadronzoo [~user@ppp-70-251-66-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:50 lnostdal yes great but I need shellaccess to develop stuff with it 19:46:59 lnostdal and I only can work on port 80 19:47:25 Anyone know why the above code just prints (HELLO) ? 19:47:35 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 19:47:56 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:48:04 shell access? 19:50:10 i don't see how this is a problem, or related .. never mind 19:50:58 Did you ever used mod_proxy with lisp lnostdal 19:51:16 yes, Lis 19:51:32 i think that's what pretty much everyone does 19:51:42 So if you develop stuff with it, you need to write your code, upload it and can visit the url so that the code is evaluated? 19:52:41 err .. there are several ways to work with a lisp session, but i tend to work remotely in emacs+slime via ssh (i assume this is what you refer to as "shell access") 19:53:08 Lis: no, you connect to your live image via slime. Can i suggest you download hunchentoot and just start playing with it? all this is quite apparent when you actually start developing :) 19:53:19 -!- abugosh [~Adium@207-172-111-88.c3-0.tlg-ubr4.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:20 slime can also work with a remote lisp session (also via ssh) 19:54:47 -!- sykopomp [~user@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:53 -!- mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:55:57 FareWell [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:02 sykopomp [~sykopomp@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:04 ikki [~ikki@189.247.40.132] has joined #lisp 20:00:10 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:55 sykopomp [~user@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:59 -!- ramus [~ramus@99.23.134.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:08:04 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:50 ramus [~ramus@99.23.130.157] has joined #lisp 20:11:16 -!- pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:11:45 -!- sykopomp [~user@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:49 tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 20:12:57 sykopomp [~sykopomp@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:00 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-204-9.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:03 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@c-66-41-249-30.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:14:03 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 20:15:49 -!- ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:17:31 -!- cowhm [~cowhm@207.sub-97-46-16.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: AndroidIrc Disconnecting] 20:17:39 -!- mk2` [~user@159.92.64.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:54 Deltafire [~chris@82-71-44-155.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:19:12 ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has joined #lisp 20:19:30 -!- FareWell [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:20:59 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 20:23:55 what's a good think compatibility layer library for things like the quit function or command line arguments (I'm porting an application I developed on SBCL, and I'm down to those 2 symbols. It would be easy to write the reader conditionals myself, but it'd probably be a nicer idea to aim for compatibility with more than the 3 implementations I currently use) 20:24:03 *thin 20:24:52 ... Obvious suggestions would be trivial-argv and trivial-quit, by analogy with trivial-garbage and friends. 20:25:36 hmm, those libraries actually exist? or you mean I should write them? 20:25:52 Well, trivial-garbage does. I don't know that the others do. 20:25:58 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-204-9.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:26:11 Or you could just do the conditionals in your own code. 20:26:49 ah. oh well, I'll just write the conditionals for SBCL,CCL and CLISP. I just wondered if one such library already existed. 20:27:45 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 20:27:58 pkhuong [~pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 20:28:12 I should have googled more, just found this: http://www.cliki.net/Portable%20Exit 20:28:24 -!- leadnose [leadnose@xob.kapsi.fi] has left #lisp 20:29:05 ljames: There are a few options for cli options. unix-options, qitab and getopt. 20:29:29 ljames: clocc-port has a portable QUIT 20:31:01 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:49 nice, thanks redline6561, ost. 20:31:50 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:53 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.197.103] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 20:34:39 FareWell [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:16 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.192.132.238] has joined #lisp 20:35:51 Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:36:38 TR2N [email@89-180-153-66.net.novis.pt] has joined #lisp 20:36:40 davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has joined #lisp 20:39:52 -!- tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:40:04 nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:33 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:45:25 -!- christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:45:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:46:16 -!- aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:47:20 Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:47:36 -!- Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has quit [Quit: ""] 20:49:31 -!- ZabaQ [~john.conn@40.103-84-212.ippool.ndo.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:39 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:51:58 ysph [~user@adsl-221-198-35.mgm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:04 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-158.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:39 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:54:24 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:54:29 Joreji [~thomas@81-050.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:55:14 ignotus [~ignotus@catv-89-133-33-26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 20:55:14 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@catv-89-133-33-26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 20:55:14 ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has joined #lisp 20:57:45 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754894.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:59:42 mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has joined #lisp 21:00:23 aoh [~aki@80.75.102.51] has joined #lisp 21:04:22 christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:50 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:33 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:35 badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has joined #lisp 21:08:44 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:10:48 cowhm [~cowhm@207.sub-97-46-16.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 21:12:23 hola 21:13:33 christop` [root@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:36 -!- christop` [root@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:57 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-107-213.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:18:43 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-107-213.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 21:20:20 -!- badipod [~badipod@unaffiliated/baddog144] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPod touch - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:21:01 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-177-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:41 -!- mejja [~user@c-14bee555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/2010031700]] 21:23:20 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-62-31.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:23:36 -!- kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-62-31.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:26:03 tcr [~tcr@212.178.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 21:27:13 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 21:29:20 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 21:30:46 so, no lightning talkers at July BLM ? 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Brb after a reboot.] 23:09:45 -!- Aszarsha [~foo@tal33-6-83-155-189-154.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09:50 Blkt [~user@93-33-131-75.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 23:10:02 With curl, does it make any sense to create a with- macro to be sure close-foreign-library is called? 23:10:10 s/curl/CFFI/ 23:11:08 fatelang: not really. 23:11:13 -!- Lis [~Lis@business-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 23:12:39 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 23:14:40 -!- ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:15:00 hello. there is a way of reading asynchroneously using read-sequence under sbcl (as far as I understand this function), but is there also a way to write async? i.e. to write a sequence and get the number of bytes actually written? (so I can read and write at the same time without multiple threads?) 23:15:40 I am using sbcl under windows and want to interface an external process. 23:16:13 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:18:18 can I use serve-event? 23:20:20 (just found that but dont really know how to use it) 23:20:31 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.180.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:24 -!- blandest [~user@79.112.113.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:24:06 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-177-233.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:27:35 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:28:02 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:34 toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:30 pinterface [~pinterfac@174-30-74-223.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:36:04 -!- xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.95.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:58 -!- Blkt [~user@93-33-131-75.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:46:44 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-177-233.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:46:51 -!- fatelang [~user@24-217-193-233.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:47:04 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:47:31 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-157-158.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:48:01 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:48:57 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:28 fusss [~chatzilla@ip70-187-235-200.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:26 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-177-233.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:52:15 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:03 Oh, -beautiful-. "PC-OFFSET (-126148) not in code object." 23:55:25 -!- toast` [~toast`@c-71-227-233-160.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: toast`] 23:59:12 Hrm. I suspect something moved a live code-object, but didn't fix up a program-counter?