00:00:45 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 00:00:54 the work on the new javascript VM's and JIT's, otoh, is interesting to me... but the language? not so much. 00:01:11 it's interesting to see how people have gotten used to some of the tricks needed to get sane scoping and the like 00:01:23 -!- Paraselene_ [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:01:26 Paraselene [~Not@81-178-167-119.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #lisp 00:01:34 ans [~user@user123.c3.sevnica.kabelnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:01:40 Xach: and then the tricks on top of those to avoid leaking memory in IE ;) 00:01:41 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:02:07 But surely that's more a product of bad implementations, the mem leak 00:02:13 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:02:49 yes, that's part of it. 00:04:11 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 00:04:13 -!- xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.60.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:05:13 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:07:31 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:08:18 everytime I write javascript I find myself wishing it was actually scheme. 00:10:15 Aszarsha [~Aszarsha@88-121-115-75.rev.libertysurf.net] has joined #lisp 00:12:35 -!- plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has left #lisp 00:13:41 -!- t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B2009E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:13:53 "The immediate concern at Netscape was it must look like Java. People have done Algol-like syntaxes for Lisp but i didn't have time to take a scheme code so i ended up doing it all directly and that meant i could make the same mistakes that others made" 00:14:10 --- Brendan Eich in C@W 00:14:23 *_3b* would like the new JIT/VM stuff better if it were more predictable 00:14:52 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.113] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 00:15:20 _3b`: making the runtime compilation explicit might help there 00:15:21 drewc: what's that quote from? 00:15:31 Fade: Coders at Work 00:15:40 ahh 00:15:48 still haven't picked up my copy of that. :) 00:15:49 i forget who wrote it... some Java guy :P 00:15:57 <_3b> pkhuong: possibly 00:16:08 well, have a good nite, folks. 00:16:10 00:16:14 Fade: cheers 00:16:31 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:16:35 <_3b> pkhuong: wouldn't really be 'jit' then though, would it? 00:16:45 _3b: why not? 00:17:34 <_3b> pkhuong: possibly i misunderstood your 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Damnit, specbot! 02:17:44 mardok_: You want LISTP. 02:17:57 nyef: Thanks 02:18:19 We'll spare you the discussion of proper lists vs. improper lists vs. conses vs. whatever else at this time. 02:20:00 nyef: I just need to know enough about lisp to write my programming assignment and then it's on to COBOL 02:20:10 -!- toxygen [toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:20:28 Fair enough. 02:20:52 toxygen [toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has joined #lisp 02:20:52 You doing RPG IV or one of its other generations in this course? 02:21:21 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 02:22:35 nyef: Nah, this is for a course called "Concepts of Programming Languages" 02:22:54 I wonder what concept COBOL exemplifies 02:23:08 pkhuong: How not to make a language? 02:23:23 And they skipped RPG? There's a bit of a mind-twistyness to it that really has to be seen to be appreciated. 02:24:28 nyef: We may not be doing RPG, but we're going to eventually do Brainf*** (that apparently an actual language) 02:24:40 (that is apparently* 02:24:53 mardok_: it is indeed. 02:24:57 It is, and I can't see the merit of examining it 02:25:03 is there any? 02:25:10 Heh. Indeed it is, as are C-Intercal and Befunge. 02:25:15 -!- xinming [~hyy@125.109.250.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:25:26 Guthur: It's a 2d graphical language of sorts. 02:25:39 and any of the one-instruction languages (e.g. decrement and jump if zero). 02:26:03 Unlambda might also be a good one. 02:28:08 Is there some way to construct a type specifier for a character with a char-code less than #x8000 without just defining a quick predicate at toplevel and using satisfies? 02:28:26 kpreid [~kpreid@c-67-180-21-133.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:28:28 nyef: in SBCL? 02:28:46 Yeah, but probably should work for an arbitrary cross-compilation host, too. 02:29:28 well, you can enumerate the chars; the type system should merge them as a single range. 02:29:30 Guard clauses are executed in the global environment and without parameters, so I can't do it that way, and there really are no other hooks. 02:29:36 *nyef* winces. 02:29:51 -!- toxygen [toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30:01 I am -not- enumerating thirty-two thousand characters in source. 02:31:18 <_3b`> particularly fun to do in portable source, if this is stuff the host compiler sees 02:31:45 toxygen [~toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has joined #lisp 02:32:26 Exactly. 02:32:32 SATISFIES it is, I guess. 02:33:25 -!- Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-20-107.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 02:33:58 [sbahra] [~sbahra@c-68-48-66-31.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:34:04 -!- mardok_ [~mardok@74-140-103-230.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:34:18 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has quit [Quit: brb] 02:35:31 nunb [~nundan@59.178.194.193] has joined #lisp 02:38:22 -!- konr [~user@201.82.129.247] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:20 konr [~user@201.82.129.247] has joined #lisp 02:39:42 It is interesting that nreconc must behave as if it used nconc and nreverse, but the behavior of nreverse is largely up to the implementation. 02:39:54 -!- rme [rme@clozure-6AA588AF.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 02:39:54 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-124-210.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 02:41:02 R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-57-91.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 02:41:40 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.194.193] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:44:24 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:07 -!- toxygen [~toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:46:41 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:47:48 Aszarsha_ [~Aszarsha@88.121.115.75] has joined #lisp 02:48:38 pkhuong: COBOL exemplifies bussiness data munching oriented around serial access devices, paper cards and (I)SAM storage 02:49:09 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 02:49:38 personally, I think I'd go for COBOL rather than Java... 02:49:49 IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has joined #lisp 02:50:40 (I need to finally grab that "Structured COBOL Programming" book) 02:51:39 is that comic book? 02:53:45 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:55:16 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 02:56:39 btw, why I'm here - I was asked to recommend good CL book 02:57:38 the only book I ever read is that one by Hyuvyonen & Seppyanen 02:57:49 but probably there is smth better? 02:59:00 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 02:59:35 nunb [~nundan@59.178.194.193] has joined #lisp 02:59:45 minion: you here 03:00:00 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-39-5-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:00:08 nope, Well IceD^ there is Practical Common Lisp 03:00:21 and there is the author himself, hi gigamonkey 03:00:29 heh he 03:00:37 IceD^: Most people here recommend either Practical Common Lisp or A Gentle introduction to symbolic computation. 03:00:38 available online? 03:00:48 Both. 03:00:52 neat 03:01:04 btw - have you read that finnish book 03:01:14 in russian it was named "World Of LISP" 03:01:42 -!- Aszarsha_ [~Aszarsha@88.121.115.75] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:01:50 That looks more like English than Russian. 03:02:43 I word-translated it ;) 03:02:45 toxygen [~toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has joined #lisp 03:03:21 ahha - this one - E. Hyvönen, J. Seppänen: Lisp-maailma: Johdatus kieleen ja ohjelmointiin. (Lisp World: Introduction to Language and Programming). Kirjayhtymä, Helsinki, 1986, 360 pp. Russia Edition: Mir Lispa 1. MIR Publishers, Moscow, 1990, 383+64 pp. 03:03:44 it appears like there is only finnish & russian versions, sad 03:04:46 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 03:05:00 IceD^: Those dates are prior to the CL standard. You might watch out what dialect it uses. 03:06:42 psilord2 [~psilord@ppp-70-226-164-172.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 03:07:26 -!- marioxcc [~user@200.92.160.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:27 -!- IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:08:07 IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has joined #lisp 03:08:53 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 03:08:53 -!- IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:09:13 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 03:09:19 IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has joined #lisp 03:09:27 -!- Guthur [~michael@86.136.55.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:54 plage: they might be just as well CLtL... though I got bitten by old books - I started with R2RS :D 03:10:45 (the book was called The Lisp Programming Language) 03:11:20 xinming [~hyy@125.109.250.6] has joined #lisp 03:11:44 Aszarsha_ [~foo@88-121-115-75.rev.libertysurf.net] has joined #lisp 03:11:45 -!- IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:05 a polish book, before CLtL2 as I later found 03:12:11 IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has joined #lisp 03:12:19 -!- UnderTaLker [~bot@89.108.125.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:19 -!- IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:45 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 03:12:49 IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has joined #lisp 03:13:02 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.194.193] has left #lisp 03:13:08 plage, well, I read it in early 90s 03:13:09 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:13:23 twas the only lisp book available in ussr 03:15:08 i read it couple of years ago because it was the only book on lisp in russian 03:16:07 UnderTaLker [~bot@89.108.125.28] has joined #lisp 03:16:56 stassats, it's still is?! 03:17:06 omfg 03:17:20 and then i had minor participation in translating PCL into russian, perhaps one of these days it will be published 03:17:45 huh 03:17:48 IceD^: there is SICP, PCL translation (not published) 03:17:50 madnificent, mathrick: was it you guys who were talking about a linj for android? <-- yes 03:17:56 SICP is scheme 03:18:05 and we need to throw in guy into project 03:18:06 SICP is programming 03:18:38 drewc: btw, I just came back from a night shift and will be going to sleep, though that should be fairly compatible with your sleeping times :) 03:18:49 IceD^: does he understands English? 03:18:49 hey, I read SICP, the great book (heck, I have hard copy over my table now), but it's not for get-up-to-speed 03:19:14 p_l, yeah, I looking at practical common lisp now and it looks like the best choice 03:19:56 IceD^: http://pcl.catap.ru/ here is a collaborative translation 03:20:06 IceD^: PCL is the most up-to-speed thing you will get 03:20:07 -!- IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20:17 gah 03:20:35 IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has joined #lisp 03:21:41 IceD^: Give him, in order, PCL, Gentle Introduction (probably for selective reading, I recommend the parts about Applicative Programming and using rest for details), then I guess Keene ("Object Oriented Programming in Common Lisp", findable on torrent) and maybe (if you need MOP) Paepcke's mopintro.ps (that's they keyword for google), 03:21:48 really, I never seen good IT book translation 03:22:18 never stealing books 03:22:42 Jasko [~tjasko@12-235-236-2.att-inc.com] has joined #lisp 03:22:50 IceD^: You probably won't need it - I only grabbed it much later because a) it wasn't in uni's library b) for completeness' sake 03:23:03 -!- psilord2 [~psilord@ppp-70-226-164-172.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has left #lisp 03:23:38 most of what I use of CLOS comes from PCL, since I don't yet understand MOP enough to seriously use it (and CLOS was enough for now) 03:24:15 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:24:16 p_l: You don't recommend PAIP? 03:24:35 stassats, sorry, but translation is bad :( 03:24:37 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:24:54 better than your common translations where they screw up tech terms 03:25:02 but in this one language is bad 03:25:36 too bad, I can't write better :) 03:25:39 IceD^: well, i'm not a fan of any translations, not only IT ones 03:25:44 [Hmm, 33°C, feels like 41.7°C.] 03:25:44 plage: I just noticed I missed it 03:26:12 given that sun isn't supposed to be up during the night in Scotland, it was minor omission 03:26:25 -!- toxygen [~toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:26:25 but my favorite is translation of one of micro*oft press book 03:26:40 (heard that, universe!?) 03:27:07 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:27:13 theu translated string in example explaining regexp was smth "It was 2:15PM" =~ /...\d:\d\d]/ 03:27:13 oops 03:27:16 toxygen [~toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has joined #lisp 03:27:29 "It was 2:15PM" =~ /...\d:\d\d[AP]M.../ 03:27:48 and they translated the actual string to "It was 2:15 after morning" (in russian) 03:28:24 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:28:39 mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:29:11 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-138-154.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: Y'know what? It's time for me to say g'night.] 03:30:23 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 03:30:43 wow, with brief slime intro 03:30:49 gigamonkey, thank you for the book 03:30:59 IceD^: anyway, add PAIP to the list of books and slime.mov for SLIME 03:31:35 http://www.guba.com/watch/3000054867 that one? 03:31:46 and in ten years that somebody will be able to program in lisp 03:32:06 I bet, he will start doing tasks in a week 03:32:18 heck, lisp is simple 03:32:22 Are there any ways to try and get partial http request filled other than a byte range? for the drakma addtional-headers optional parameter? 03:32:35 -!- Aszarsha [~Aszarsha@88-121-115-75.rev.libertysurf.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:32:50 IceD^: what kind of project? 03:33:12 financials :( 03:34:35 we just started about month ago and it's my first lisp project for last 5 years 03:34:43 lisp isn't really on demand here 03:36:05 hohoho [~hohoho@p938c8e.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:37:16 how can i solve emacs repl utf-8 problem?? 03:37:43 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-xugumppijuifnxqo] has joined #lisp 03:38:35 in local univercities you only will be teached delphi (or c++ if you are really unlucky) and I can bet $100 that 19 of 20 random graduates will not even know wtf lisp is 03:39:15 though it is the oldest jep 03:41:26 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 03:41:26 can anyone help pls? 03:41:27 (setq slime-net-coding-system 'utf-8-unix) 03:41:32 thanks 03:41:33 xiackok, that's for you 03:41:41 and if you don't use slime, install it right now 03:41:53 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Client Quit] 03:42:34 you wrote the response same time :) ofcourse im using 03:42:53 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-39-5-109.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:43:00 i don't use slime 03:43:03 i deactivated it 03:43:11 why? 03:43:19 cl-swank i use 03:43:21 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 03:43:35 whats prons and cons?? 03:43:51 i don't know why, but it clobbers or overwrites some of my settings i think 03:44:00 sepult, huh? 03:44:01 eh? 03:44:02 i'm not sure though, maybe i'll activate it again 03:44:04 which exactly? 03:44:17 never got this problem 03:44:57 IceD^: It doesnt work for me. 03:45:13 hmmm 03:45:22 xiackok, what's your locale? 03:45:27 xiackok: your lisp should be configured with utf8 external format as well 03:45:33 utf-8 03:45:39 hmmm 03:45:53 distro? 03:46:08 emacs version? 03:46:11 xiackok: what lisp are you using? 03:46:14 when eval at the shell no problem with utf-8 03:46:43 im using clisp. dist: archlinux. emacs: 23.2.1 03:46:57 really weird 03:47:18 (set-language-environment "UTF-8") - try this 03:47:29 that shouldn't matter 03:47:41 im setting that from the menu 03:47:45 which is the slime-control-modified-char ? 03:47:50 it tells me that's a void 03:48:07 who tells you? 03:48:20 the debugger 03:48:36 what are you debugging? 03:49:06 sepult: how can i chek this "slime-control-modified-char" 03:49:19 xiackok: that wasn't for you 03:49:38 ok sorry 03:50:14 xiackok, try to evan (length "") in repl 03:50:21 and tell me the error 03:50:23 xiackok: what's the value of CUSTOM:*DEFAULT-FILE-ENCODING* while in slime? 03:51:21 IceD^: Coding system iso-latin-1-unix not suitable for bla bla 03:51:25 ha 03:51:27 that's it 03:51:54 you are sure, you put (setq slime-net-coding-system 'utf-8-unix) into your .emacs and restarted emacs? 03:52:10 or at least applied it and reloaded slime? 03:52:46 ohh. i dont restart emacs or reload slime :S:S 03:52:48 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:52:53 mwa ha ha 03:54:02 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:54:06 -!- plage [~user@ssh2.labri.fr] has left #lisp 03:54:33 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:54:37 why does lisppaste not work ? 03:54:55 because it can't speak, i guess 03:55:01 IceD^: ehueh. now it works 03:55:02 i get a url-http-response-status is nil answer 03:55:08 sure it does ;) 03:55:25 -!- silenius [~silenius@rrcs-64-183-24-50.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55:26 sepult: xml-rpc is turned off because of spam 03:55:42 evrything works in emacs 03:55:49 oh, so it is the channels settings in here ? 03:55:55 ok 03:55:56 no 03:56:05 after you put few (setq oh-make-me-good-finally-damn-you 'please) 03:56:12 ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:23 lisppaste: url? 03:56:38 and learn few dozens of "C-M-c C-d M-v d" shortcuts 03:56:46 it's only hushed in this channel 03:56:50 stassats: bots are dead, apparently 03:56:57 p_l: lisppaste isn't 03:57:00 oh, lisppaste itself is here 04:00:13 i don't get how you use lisppaste 04:00:18 -!- fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a81-84-225-153.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:00:52 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01:12 sepult: http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp 04:01:22 "gentle introduction..." is really nice as well 04:01:32 ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:02:02 it now has a captcha, that sucks 04:03:17 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:03:41 I think, I'll print it and read before bed :) 04:04:43 im trying to write a slide cataloger for arkhelogie. and i defined classes. can you look the codes. 04:04:45 is it true way for defining data structures?? 04:04:47 http://paste.lisp.org/display/111132 04:05:46 ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:28 xiackok: you can have counters inside a slot, with :class allocation 04:06:52 why, why I try to execute a funciton at the REPL: (hello-world), does it just jump to the next line with a flashing cursor 04:07:14 without printing another prompt> 04:07:24 stassats: :class allocation like static variables in c++??? 04:07:32 xiackok: i don't know c++ 04:07:41 probably because your expression can't eval 04:07:56 matthew_y: does it block on i/o? 04:08:04 like (defun hello-world () (hello-world)) 04:08:27 (the simplies cases) 04:08:49 or, as stassats already told, it has (read) or smth else requiring your input 04:08:57 I'm trying to follow PCL/learn emacs at the same time 04:08:59 stassats: can you wrote a simple usage ":class allocation" for ids?? 04:09:15 matthew_y, show your hello-world here please 04:09:19 I'm at the point where I should try to execute the function I wrote without having the source in a buffer 04:09:30 "here" means on paste.lisp.org 04:09:54 it should print that it can't find my fucntion, and launch the debugger 04:09:59 tcr, I don't think, person learning lisp will do smth as bad as pasting to channel :) 04:10:38 matthew_y, screenshot pls... 04:11:30 He can just copy&paste the emacs buffer. The only great advantage of Emacs' ancient text-centredness 04:11:46 one minute, I may have solved the problem myself somehow 04:11:59 tcr, in this case screenshots are better 04:12:50 tcr, emacs is bad/broken in many ways, but there is nothing better out here :) 04:12:56 -!- pem [~pem@2001:cc0:201e:107:221:86ff:fe1a:e5aa] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:13:48 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14:09 pem [~pem@2001:cc0:201e:107:221:86ff:fe1a:e5aa] has joined #lisp 04:16:01 xiackok: http://paste.lisp.org/display/111132#1 04:16:05 it's kind of fun once you get the hang of it I suppose. I have a cheat sheet in front of me that is helping a lot 04:18:22 I'm startign to get the hand of elementary buffer switching 04:18:48 stassats: thanks. but whats the advantages of using :allocation :class and initialize-instance?? 04:18:55 stassats: sorry for my bad english 04:19:01 (defconst lisppaste-url "http://common-lisp.net:8185/RPC2") should be changed stassats ?? 04:19:11 in my lisppaste.el ? 04:19:51 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 04:19:51 ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:20:00 xiackok: you don't need additional variables 04:22:08 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:23:39 -!- xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.60.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:23:55 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 04:24:16 xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.60.226] has joined #lisp 04:24:33 stassats: im disconnect 04:24:37 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:25:02 xiackok: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/10.06.03 04:26:37 now i get a wrong type argument char-or-string-p nil ur:http error 200 04:26:45 stassats: i wrote: hmm. so when i read slayts from a file how can i control the ids?? im confuse 04:26:45 for displaying supported channels 04:26:47 i dont use automatic ids?? 04:27:57 xiackok: you use them, if you want 04:28:54 well, looks like internet is unstable in EU last day 04:30:31 -!- matthew_y [~matt@OSH-NET-202-225.onshore.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:30:50 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 04:30:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@118.101.119.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:33:25 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:34:10 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 04:34:38 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35:20 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 04:35:47 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35:57 -!- Aszarsha_ is now known as Aszarsha 04:36:32 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 04:36:58 tcr [~tcr@115.132.79.230] has joined #lisp 04:36:59 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:37:42 powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has joined #lisp 04:38:09 -!- powerje [~powerje@2002:4b3c:ce0a:0:5ab0:35ff:fe80:7cd2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38:40 powerje [~powerje@adsl-75-60-206-10.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:38:43 aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has joined #lisp 04:41:05 -!- xyxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.59.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:43:15 lisppaste ? 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05:20:02 yes 05:20:04 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has joined #lisp 05:20:22 For some reason using TAB in fuzzy-completion does not actually select the currently selected entry in case of ambuguity 05:20:27 using SPACE does however 05:20:32 I find that unintuitive 05:21:22 it does select for me, what are you trying to complete? 05:22:05 directory-TAB, then I go to directory-pathname-p and press TAB again 05:22:34 ok the thing is TAB is bound to slime-indent-and-complete-symbol 05:22:39 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-xxalygvsgodmbpvi] has joined #lisp 05:23:07 it should be bound to slime-fuzzy-select-or-update-completions 05:23:42 might be something in the hijacking 05:24:10 (define-key slime-mode-map "\C-i" 'slime-indent-and-complete-symbol) 05:24:26 Could you put that into your .emacs and try to reproduce it, and in case you can, fix it please? :-) 05:26:24 i can't reproduce 05:27:55 bugger 05:29:55 evening 05:32:26 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:34:23 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 05:37:18 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 05:37:42 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 05:39:28 -!- pnq [asdf@ACA260EB.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:41:06 plage [~user@ssh1.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 05:41:14 Good afternoon! 05:41:23 hi plage 05:44:01 Joreji [~thomas@94-135.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 05:47:33 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 05:49:37 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 05:50:53 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 05:53:25 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 05:55:47 'morning 05:56:11 P.S. - Sun isn't supposed to stay up during the night... 05:56:27 and how you'll call time of a day when it's 9AM and you are goin' to sleep? 05:57:31 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:57:52 p_l: I clearly live a lot further north than you. :( 06:05:28 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:12:56 -!- aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:02 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:14:13 qebab: I don't know how Scotland moved so close to North Pole, but it did 06:17:41 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 06:18:40 j4K0b [~j4k0bk@93.160.119.14] has joined #lisp 06:21:31 -!- nixeagle is now known as CarbonDioxide` 06:21:37 -!- CarbonDioxide` is now known as nixeagle 06:23:39 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:24:14 -!- plage [~user@ssh1.labri.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:26:09 is getting this warning in sbcl when creating a new method (with defmethod) normal ? 06:26:12 STYLE-WARNING: Implicitly creating new generic function FREE-WIDGET. 06:26:51 I fail to see how using DEFMETHOD is implicit 06:27:08 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 06:27:09 <_3b> defgeneric creates generic functions, defmethod adds methods to a gf 06:27:45 oh 06:27:57 so I should use DEFGENERIC instead ? 06:28:39 galdor: you should use both 06:28:41 in Practical Common Lisp, I read examples which used DEFMETHOD, so I thought... 06:28:48 galdor: defgeneric first, then defmethod 06:30:07 <_3b> defmethod will create a GF if one doesn't exist yet, sbcl devs (among others) consider using that feature bad style, thus the STYLE-WARNING (and not a normal WARNING or an ERROR) 06:30:39 -!- IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:31:10 ah I understand better 06:31:11 thank you 06:31:15 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:31:50 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 06:32:10 I really need to order and read the art of the mop 06:32:34 -!- R3cur51v3 [~Recursive@173-30-57-91.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: This system is going down for poweroff RIGHT FREAKING NOW!!!] 06:32:42 heh, that'll not suffice 06:32:48 get keene's clos 06:33:08 and the cltl2,3 and ansi specs 06:33:25 and if you use sbcl, have a look in sbcl impl. details too 06:33:26 Object-Oriented Programming in Common Lisp: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS -> this one ? 06:33:41 i think so 06:33:55 sepult: that's a project for another 10 years 06:34:04 lol 06:34:10 right, it's much reading 06:34:11 I would have bought ANSI specs if they were not sold $350, that's outrageous 06:34:27 nobody buys them 06:34:31 galdor: don't bother with that, use the Common Lisp HyperSpec 06:34:34 -!- maden [~maden@dsl-147-53.aei.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:34:50 not every implementation is upto ansi yet 06:34:55 I have PCL, PAIP, On Lisp and LoL, still have to understand everything in these 06:35:14 yep, the HyperSpec is nice 06:36:05 galdor: it's more than nice, it's practically the authoritative source for Common Lisp informatino 06:36:07 *information 06:36:55 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-60-65.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:37:44 I would have enjoy a paper version (books are nice) 06:38:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 06:38:51 specs are not for enjoyment 06:39:23 well I enjoy reading some parts of the C standard 06:39:36 it's interesting 06:43:31 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:43:40 IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has joined #lisp 06:43:52 good morning 06:44:21 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:44:36 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:07 why is everythin xml related so fragile 06:49:39 Arelius [~user@208.80.117.82] has joined #lisp 06:50:08 Can I make intern intern symbols like the reader? so that all symbols get interned upper-case? 06:50:55 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-10-112.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 06:51:49 seems weird that (eq 'name (intern "name")) returns false 06:51:54 Arelius: if you want upcased names, use string-upcase 06:52:17 seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has joined #lisp 06:52:42 adeht: just seems inefficient to have to allocate a new string for something the lisp reader seems to do automatically. 06:53:03 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-28-125.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:53:05 allocates a string automatically? 06:53:35 Well I suspect if I do a 'name and the symbol NAME already exists it probally allocates nothing. 06:54:06 but if I do (intern (string-upcase "name")) it'll always allocate a new string 06:54:10 (intern (ecase (readtable-case *readtable*) (:upcase (string-upcase name)) (:preserve name) (:downcase (string-downcase name)) (:invert "exercise for the reader"))) 06:54:12 Arelius: (i) you can use nstring-upcase if you don't mind destroying the string (ii) the reader acts on the current readtable's readtable-case 06:54:30 npoektop [~npoektop@92.60.84.90] has joined #lisp 06:55:22 stassats: ohh, hmm... 06:56:22 and if you are worried about string allocation, then you are probably doing it wrong 06:57:39 indeed.. I'd think many implementations copy the string once more for the symbol name anyway 06:57:41 stassats: Perhaps trying to use CL for a high-performance app that needs to avoid GC is doing it wrong. 06:57:55 Arelius: then don't use intern 06:58:07 adeht: point. 06:58:24 and don't use packages 06:58:34 adeht: I'd hope many implementations wouldn't copy the string if the symbol already exists. 06:58:41 or rather, don't abuse them 06:58:53 Arelius: if the symbol already exists you can use find-symbol 06:59:08 and don't spend your time on pointless optimizations 06:59:25 adeht: find-symbol has the same problems 06:59:39 stassats: how is turing strings into symbols abusing packages? 06:59:45 turning* 06:59:57 Arelius: I don't see any "problems" 07:00:24 adeht: (eq 'name (find-symbol "name")) => nil is what I ment 07:01:09 since you want a particular output, you need a particular input.. if you have something different you need to translate it 07:01:23 if you need string identity, use another datastructure, for example, a hashtable 07:01:38 Yeah, I may use a hashtable 07:02:07 Though I don't know if they support a custom hash function? 07:02:18 no 07:02:23 (not standard) 07:03:10 So, I may have to implement a custom hash table too, was just hoping otherwise. 07:03:13 Thanks guys. 07:03:21 Arelius: (eq '|name| (intern "name")) ==> t 07:03:38 seems like you're doing premature optimization 07:04:21 adeht: (eq 'name 'NAME) ==> t 07:04:31 Arelius: and? 07:04:41 Arelius: (again, this depends on readtable-case) 07:04:52 it would seem that I should also be able to do something like (eq (intern "name") (intern "NAME")) also 07:05:10 maybe you want a hash-table with :test equalp 07:05:49 Probally 07:06:03 That looks like it might do what I need 07:09:21 Thanks guys 07:12:43 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:17:18 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 07:20:54 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has 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this.. maybe a deadend.. sbcl on freebsd 5.4 is built with sb-lutex, if that says anything. 09:35:18 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:35:25 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:36:22 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:19 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-82-170.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:34 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-82-170.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:41:38 It seems quite enough, maybe I can disturb with a newbie question: http://paste.lisp.org/+2DR6 that macrolet inside the defmacro doesn't expand right. 09:42:44 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 09:42:55 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 09:44:14 spoofy [~lsj@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 09:44:17 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has 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You need to quote the fields. 10:04:10 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:04:38 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 10:05:17 Solution: http://paste.lisp.org/+2DR6/2 10:14:32 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:11 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 10:15:24 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:53 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 10:16:20 Guthur [~michael@host86-136-55-105.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 10:17:39 nunb [~nundan@59.178.214.38] has joined #lisp 10:17:39 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 10:18:50 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:54 I have some data at the repl that's gone out of scope for * ** and *** -- is there any way to assign it to a parameter? So far I'm able to do "copy to REPL" but don't know what to do next.. 10:19:29 (defparameter *foo* ) does not work, since the data looks like (# #) etc. 10:19:29 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 10:20:15 -!- Dodek [dodek@jest.pro] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:21:27 Stattrav [~Stattrav@123.238.45.214] has joined #lisp 10:22:01 *nunb* ah just needed to quote the list 10:23:31 fiveop [~fiveop@g229112196.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:26:18 -!- merl15_ [~merl@188-22-164-199.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:26:45 -!- b4|hraban [~b4@a83-163-41-120.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:33:52 -!- IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:34:13 IceD^ [~iced@live.bn.by] has joined #lisp 10:40:08 did someone know weblocks? :) I'm experimenting with it and I don't understand how I should make a gridedit widget that shows a list of search results, instead of all the instances of a certain class in the default store 10:41:16 -!- entrosca [~entrosca@ip98-167-231-101.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:19 entropi [~entrosca@ip98-167-231-101.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 10:42:55 kislotnik [~kislotnik@93.180.196.64] has joined #lisp 10:44:26 I've tried (make-instance 'gridedit .... :data-class 'word :data search-results) but it'll just render all of the word instances 10:45:28 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 10:45:29 unless the search result is buggy hehe :) I'll check that too. but is that the way it's even supposed to work? 10:45:40 -!- Harag [~Harag@iburst-41-213-33-41.iburst.co.za] has quit [Quit: Harag] 10:45:56 Harag [~Harag@iburst-41-213-33-41.iburst.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:46:32 -!- Harag [~Harag@iburst-41-213-33-41.iburst.co.za] has left #lisp 10:50:55 stassats: I have two more swap-bytes commits :) 10:51:17 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 10:52:03 at least the search seems to work when ran in the REPL 10:52:29 ie. the search-results should contain the instances that match the search and not those that don't 10:52:40 laynor [~user@dhcp-892b9a50.ucd.ie] has joined #lisp 10:52:57 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@174-25-127-51.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:57:31 pjb: thanks alot! .. I dont quite understand it yet :) first comma means executes rest. Next comes quote that inhibits execution of rest, then last comma executes rest at next expansion. That's my current understanding :) 10:57:57 xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 10:58:53 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:58:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:59:09 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:17 -!- RustyWheeler [~russell@60-241-37-219.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #lisp 11:03:29 -!- davazp [~user@83.55.178.113] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:03:46 -!- laynor [~user@dhcp-892b9a50.ucd.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:04 [Hmm, 33°C, feels like 41.7°C.] <-- ouch 11:05:55 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.214.38] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:00 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BB7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:06:31 nunb [~nundan@59.178.194.224] has joined #lisp 11:07:36 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:08:27 -!- ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:09:09 cisticola: what do you mean by a partial request? Like HTTP HEAD perhaps? 11:13:02 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:28 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 11:13:45 ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 11:14:49 sepult` [~user@xdsl-78-34-248-249.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:17:08 laynor [~user@dhcp-892b9a50.ucd.ie] has joined #lisp 11:17:25 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-243-167.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:21:03 mathrick: just requesting part of a page (http-request "http://www.google.com" :additional-headers '(("RANGE" . "BYTES=499-999"))) 11:21:41 mathrick: not that google will honor the range but some sites do, 11:21:46 cisticola: oh, then byte ranges are the only method supported by everyone in practice 11:23:29 mathrick: a site I use regularly has changed recently and the bandwidth wastage is now enormous :( 11:24:14 -!- bytecolor [~user@adsl-71-137-207-225.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has left #lisp 11:24:38 mathrick: I need do download several hundred pages to collect a few Kb of data 11:24:40 cisticola: there's not much you can do in this case, besides perhaps telling them and complaining 11:26:42 mathrick: Rupert Murdock will listen? I am downloading classifieds and garage sales, it is now one add per page. 11:27:10 I dunno 11:27:24 they probably don't want you doing whatever you're doing, anyway 11:27:33 this is not really the place to yell at anyway, we're not responsible for web stupidity 11:30:04 Mathrick: Oh well, I just use lisp to do the work. but the web gets more stuipid by the day, Thanks, at least I can move on and waste the bandwidth now. 11:31:52 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 11:34:55 -!- ejs [~eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:36:12 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:40:06 -!- t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B2009E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:40:37 plage [~user@113.161.65.230] has joined #lisp 11:40:41 Good evening! 11:40:53 Krystof [~csr21@158.223.51.76] has joined #lisp 11:45:14 I've annotade a full example (well, not an example anymore) http://paste.lisp.org/display/111138#3 is it too contrieved solution for going from sql-list to hash+hash-accessor? 11:46:06 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:47:22 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 11:47:30 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@p938c8e.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:41 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 11:58:27 -!- Joreji [~thomas@74-136.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:58:41 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 12:01:34 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:01:49 merl15_ [~merl@188-22-20-229.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 12:02:22 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has left #lisp 12:03:17 plage: hey 12:03:38 nice weather you have there, I hear 12:03:40 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:03:43 SandGorgon_ [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 12:03:43 and by nice, I mean horrible :) 12:04:04 -!- SandGorgon_ [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:10 -!- Phoodus [foo@174-17-6-14.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [] 12:04:25 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 12:06:35 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:07:26 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.194.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:08:45 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 12:09:25 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:11:22 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:11:26 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:38 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:47 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:14:13 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:23 *hefner* wonders if juanjo cares that characters in ECL are broken 12:19:39 Ginei_Morioka [irssi_log@78.114.175.135] has joined #lisp 12:24:14 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 12:25:23 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:27:59 Is there a way I can set a global (declaim (optimize ...)) declaration in only one file that will affect my whole system (I'm using asdf)? 12:28:20 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 12:29:52 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 12:38:45 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@123.238.45.214] has quit [Quit: Well, the machine might have gone down. 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13:20:30 powerje [~powerje@75.60.206.10] has joined #lisp 13:20:34 Lajla [~Lajla@213-84-222-243.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 13:20:48 Say, does any of you know a nice way to write lisp code in LaTeX? 13:21:10 Or at least, something that will display S-expressions nicely really. 13:21:37 -!- ejs [~eugen@81.25.225.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:22:04 mathrick: Right, not so great right now. 13:22:12 -!- lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 13:23:41 -!- ineiros is now known as ineiros__ 13:23:43 Lajla: I tend to use err llistings I think it's called, but haven't used it for Lisp so I don't know if it's good far that 13:24:00 Lajla: there's the lst (IIRC) package 13:24:13 lemme look it up 13:24:55 Lajla: lstlistings 13:25:09 -!- ineiros__ [~itniemin@dhcp66.ics.hut.fi] has quit [Quit: .] 13:25:10 qebab, mathrick I found it yeah, but it doesn't print in monospaced font here, is that normal? 13:25:22 http://techlogbook.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/writing-computer-or-programming-code-in-latex/ I got this on gogole from your terms 13:25:30 rrice [~rrice@adsl-99-164-108-118.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:39 I'm looking at the C example in PDF right now. 13:25:44 Lajla: yeah, I think by default it uses proportional fonts 13:25:47 you can tell it not to 13:25:54 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-xxalygvsgodmbpvi] has left #lisp 13:25:54 there's a very good manual that comes with it 13:26:02 mathrick, beqeath me your omniscience. 13:26:05 That, I haven't yet found. 13:26:19 Ah, got it. 13:26:23 Lajla: http://mirror.hmc.edu/ctan/macros/latex/contrib/listings/listings.pdf 13:26:25 Monospace, still no courier, but it'll have to do. 13:26:34 listings has a huge manual 13:26:47 mathrick, ahh, thine omniscience hath been bequethen to me. 13:27:07 Lajla: lay off ye olde englishe bong, son 13:27:13 it's not doing you any good 13:27:20 ejs [~eugen@81.25.225.254] has joined #lisp 13:27:55 Well, this is actually early modern English to be technical. 13:28:01 nyef [~nyef@pool-71-255-138-154.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:24 G'morning all. 13:28:41 Lajla: yeah, but so is "ye olde englishe" :) 13:29:05 although bequethen is not a valid modern English form, AFAIK 13:29:25 mathrick, hmm, maybe, maybe that's 'late middle', I think that by the early modern period the e already dropped in declensions, also it would be 'englische', and a þ of course. 13:29:39 Lajla: y *is* þ 13:29:40 mathrick, it is actually, it was still used by some defiant authors in 1850 I think 13:29:56 mathrick, well, it's þ as much as that R is a substitute for . 13:30:10 it was substituted for þ on the imported presses which lacked the þ glyph 13:30:15 redline6561 [~redline@adsl-190-191-78.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:16 Lajla: read about it 13:30:18 mathrick, really? 13:30:21 yes 13:30:25 Ahh, I did not know that. 13:30:27 it's not y technically 13:30:52 Also: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bequethen apparently Webster recognises bequethen. 13:30:55 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:31:05 I have no idea how to even pronounce that. =P 13:31:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)#Middle_and_Early_Modern_English 13:34:41 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@g229112196.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: humhum] 13:34:47 Lajla: and the final e is very much modern English, the spelling of this has been in a great flux for the most of its history 13:36:33 also Þorn is the best letter name 13:36:45 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0043-78-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:56 -!- ejs [~eugen@81.25.225.254] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:37:51 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-58-9-117-102.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: lisp is dead] 13:37:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@115.132.79.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:39:34 liþp? 13:39:40 mathrick, at the end of 'Englishe' too? 13:39:48 How did early modern declension work then, were there still cases? 13:39:53 fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a81-84-225-153.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 13:39:56 As far as I read it, I couldn't really find them. 13:40:08 i smell off-topic 13:40:15 tcr [~tcr@203.82.92.51] has joined #lisp 13:42:17 mathrick, not sure if I should take this to #latex, but how do I set a font size with \lstset, all the pages seem to be unclear about that. 13:43:24 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:44:18 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 13:46:11 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@157.157.93.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:16 Lajla: uhh, it's been ages since I last used it, but I remember it had an option for the typeface size 13:48:18 mathrick, ah, I found it, my error was using pts when I had to use \small. 13:48:31 Well, thank you for your coöperation, I'll let the topic resume as it should now. =) 13:48:45 you're welcome 13:54:48 -!- npoektop [~npoektop@92.60.84.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:55:08 timor 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http://paste.lisp.org/display/111150 16:16:19 symbol-function works only on symbols 16:16:34 The issue is obviously that in Scheme there's one single namespace... and CL has two... 16:16:47 stassats: yes, but nvteighen wants to give a symbol name to his functions, I'd bet. 16:16:52 nvteighen: right, so do you want to set the value or the function binding? 16:17:12 nvteighen: more than two. 16:17:25 The function binding... I'd like to do the (define add-4 ...) 16:17:33 pjb``: ok :p 16:17:50 nvteighen: use either symbol-function or fdefinition accessors 16:17:56 benny [~user@i577A8604.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:17:58 (setf (symbol-function 'f) (lambda ...)) (f ...) or (setf (symbol-value 'f) (lambda ...)) (funcall f ...) or (let ((f (lambda ...))) (funcall f ...)) 16:18:20 ok, I'll try that... never heard of them 16:19:30 (setf (symbol-function 'name) (lambda ...)) (name ...) is what I wanted... Thanks! 16:19:57 nvteighen: notice that you can define a define macro in CL so that you can more easily reuse scheme code... 16:20:12 of course, I was going to do that 16:20:16 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:21 the issue was er... the macro body :p 16:20:27 good. 16:22:10 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: buy now! available for a short time only!] 16:23:57 smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:24:24 lundis [~lundis@82.199.169.100] has joined #lisp 16:25:22 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-209.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:27:16 alinp [~alinp@89.137.98.94] has joined #lisp 16:27:46 -!- alinp [~alinp@89.137.98.94] has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:26 fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a81-84-225-153.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 16:33:42 -!- nvteighen [~nvteighen@95.120.180.180] has left #lisp 16:34:16 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] 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Are LVARs ever supposed to be assigned to more than once? 17:50:39 nyef: no. 17:50:48 But it's been known to happen in some instances. 17:50:52 That's what I thought. 17:51:04 Okay, do we know how it happens? 17:51:27 I'm not sure. 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20:41:42 Create my own business ;)? and/or move? 20:41:50 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:15 or guerilla lisp techniques. 20:42:35 pkhuong: like that team at Google that greenspun its own Lisp? 20:43:06 it theoretically still compiles to one of their supported languages, so they avoided the rule... 20:43:34 p_l: I was more thinking of using lisp internally in tools, etc. 20:44:10 I'm slowly building an abstraction over sun grid engine that way. 20:44:18 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.162.129.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:18 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-124-tbnb-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:43 *p_l* is registering as self employed and putting up a consultancy/bespoke/support business with lots of Lisp planned 20:45:20 don't think any employer would be happy to see any Lisp. 20:45:41 symbole_: really? 20:45:57 symbole_: I used the guarilla lisp technique. 20:46:22 symbole_: when your solution works (within 10 hours of prototyping) they really don't care about the language 20:46:32 when you leave the company, and they find out they can't hire anybody to replace you, then that could be a problem. 20:46:39 kislotnik [~kislotnik@93.180.204.65] has joined #lisp 20:46:46 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:46:57 *TDT* is wondering now what guarilla lisp techniques consist of. 20:46:59 symbole_: for bespoke stuff, Lisp is okay as long as you also offer support..., I guess 20:47:15 symbole_: I heard that called "job security" 20:47:36 Hi people 20:47:37 symbole_: you're still using the usual language for the main project. It's just that you write reusable tools in whatever you're comfortable with. 20:48:06 I have a problem in understanding some lisp mechanichs 20:48:09 jasonx_ [jasonx@93-138-30-109.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 20:48:17 In the worst case, your successor uses your toolset until they have to extend it and then slowly rewrite their own. 20:48:19 for your own side tools, i guess they wouldn't care. they could care if it touched the main code. 20:48:25 symbole_: like two programmers review each other's code, one of them points to another a set of magic numbers and voodoo spaghetti, to which the answer is "job security" 20:48:55 symbole_ is right in the sense of finding replacements though. I know here, we switched to ruby and are having a heck of a time finding people because we live in the sticks and no one wants to live in Iowa. 20:48:59 p_l: i suppose that works :) 20:49:06 Why in some cases values are copied between two places: (let* ((x 2) (y x)) (setf y 4) x) -> returns 2 20:49:25 But if x is a list (x '(1 2 3 4)) and i then setf (first y) x changes too 20:49:30 -!- jasonx [jasonx@93-141-98-103.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:49:41 TDT: I live in The Netherlands; I work for a California based company. 20:50:00 (which is roughly the other side of the globe) 20:50:01 symbole_: and that's what those guerilla techniques are about. Exploit situations for which the employer doesn't care how it's written (tools, prototypes, etc)... Optionally, slowly creep your way all around the code base. 20:50:20 ehu: Hmm, nice, I haven't found that many jobs available over the internet yet. I'm *really* looking forward to them happening more as I'd be thrilled to work from home. 20:50:30 So here value of x is not copied and both variables refer to same place 20:50:34 kislotnik: SETF on a variable only changes that variable's binding, not the value of that binding. 20:51:48 (setf (first y) ...) mutates the value bound to y. Since the same value is bound to x, the mutation is also visible through x. 20:53:35 -!- rrice [~rrice@adsl-99-164-108-118.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:55:28 http://www.copyleftsolutions.com/content/en/jobs <---ehehehe 20:56:19 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:16 maden [~maden@dsl-147-53.aei.ca] has joined #lisp 20:58:17 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 21:01:23 if setf changes only binding, not the value, then (setf (first y) ... ) doesn't mutate, it changes binding of the first list item? 21:02:01 kislotnik: pkhuong wrote "SETF on a variable" changes only the binding. (first y) is not a variable. 21:03:13 qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has joined #lisp 21:03:16 kislotnik: keep in mind that every value in CL (except immutable values like characters or numbers) is a reference. 21:03:39 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-67-209.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:54 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:07:59 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@5ED161A7.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:52 -!- kislotnik [~kislotnik@93.180.204.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:17 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-83-52.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:12:30 pnq [asdf@172.163.176.7] has joined #lisp 21:13:03 -!- Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-47-149.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:44 gigamonkey [~user@c-24-7-84-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:35 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-248-249.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:56 TDT: I'm very much not thrilled about working from home. I've done that before, I'm totally not suited to it 21:24:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:24:56 mathrick: have you tried setting up a separate office space? 21:24:59 I've been finding that some homes are more suited to working from than others. 21:25:09 p_l: it's not really doable in a dorm 21:25:16 nyef: and some people 21:25:16 mathrick: true 21:25:17 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.131.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:32 I just need the process of going from home to the workplace 21:25:34 I find that working in the same room you sleep is really disastrous 21:25:42 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 21:25:42 it totally is 21:26:34 yep 21:27:20 though some rooms work better for that, it is hard to get it right 21:27:51 it is, and I know myself well enough to know that I just can't work properly when alone 21:28:09 there are people who are naturally organised, I'm not one of them 21:28:17 I have dedicated office areas I could setup in my place...more than enough room, and have a definite disconnect from "computer time" to sleep time...and have very few to near no electronics in my bedroom as a result. 21:28:33 Nobody is "naturally" organized, it's a learned attitude and skillset. 21:28:57 nyef: I can't agree here 21:29:00 -!- Aszarsha [~foo@88-121-115-75.rev.libertysurf.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:29:21 I think it just takes a lot of dedication to be able to be organized..but it's something you really can learn. 21:29:33 nyef: and some people are mad enough to be willing to get brainwashed just to get organized 21:29:44 TDT: that doesn't mean people can't be naturally more or less organised 21:29:50 I used to be horribly unorganized, and was OK with that until my job got super stressful and I had to either fix my organization problems or be crushed under the stress. 21:30:06 kislotnik [~kislotnik@95.111.186.139] has joined #lisp 21:32:18 Aszarsha [~foo@91-164-143-100.rev.libertysurf.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:25 netytan [~netytan@85.211.15.138] has joined #lisp 21:33:37 Jasko2 [~tjasko@12-235-236-2.att-inc.com] has joined #lisp 21:34:28 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@12-235-236-2.att-inc.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:12 mindCrime [~chatzilla@64.134.184.64] has joined #lisp 21:44:02 curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:10 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:44:22 milanj [~milanj_@109.93.203.59] has joined #lisp 21:45:57 -!- maden [~maden@dsl-147-53.aei.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:49:46 -!- symbole_ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:52 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:13 -!- abend [~alx@199.223.122.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:53:09 -!- benny [~user@i577A8604.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:39 benny [~user@i577A8604.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 21:54:47 -!- astalla [~astalla@93-36-225-64.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 21:56:42 -!- qbomb [~qbomb@firewall.gibsonemc.com] has left #lisp 21:57:38 palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has joined #lisp 22:03:07 Guthur [~michael@host86-150-202-197.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:03:37 -!- Taggnostr [~x@dyn57-487.yok.fi] has quit [Quit: Switching to single-player mode.] 22:07:21 Phoodus [foo@174-17-6-14.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:31 silenius [~silenius@rrcs-64-183-24-50.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:48 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 22:13:59 Do academic journals have ads in them? 22:14:03 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has quit [Quit: palter] 22:14:13 gigamonkey: I think it depends 22:14:30 Taggnostr [~x@dyn57-487.yok.fi] has joined #lisp 22:14:53 On the journal? 22:14:59 I don't think proper peer reviewed journals do 22:15:04 sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-248-249.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:15:19 That sounds more like an essay for some magazine publication 22:15:32 And 'academic' magazine 22:15:37 And/An 22:16:17 IEEE journals certainly never have adverts 22:16:34 abend [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:40 CACM probably doesn't count as a real academic journal anymore, eh? 22:16:51 well, my parents ran a kind of "in-between" journal, and it did have ads. However, it was rather cheaply priced, didn't require any subscriptions and I think we actually tried to pay submitters 22:17:00 -!- netytan [~netytan@85.211.15.138] has quit [Quit: netytan] 22:17:33 http://www.acm.org/publications/journals 22:17:33 the articles were however reviewed before acceptance (and we had a nice and distinguished board, iirc) 22:17:45 gigamonkey: ^ its a magazine 22:17:51 xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.83.231] has joined #lisp 22:18:17 Guthur: yeah. 22:18:43 Don't think it will carry as much weight as a Journal 22:19:38 Still useful enough I suppose, depends on your needs. 22:22:20 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-111-226.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 22:22:37 -!- kislotnik [~kislotnik@95.111.186.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:22:37 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:41 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109.93.203.59] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:10 merl15__ [~merl@188-22-164-243.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 22:33:17 -!- merl15_ [~merl@188-22-31-227.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:33:26 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:33 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:47:06 -!- merl15__ [~merl@188-22-164-243.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:48:39 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 22:49:17 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:58 -!- billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:e2cb:4eff:fea3:82c4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:51:31 billitch [~billitch@2a01:e35:8b7c:5ce0:e2cb:4eff:fea3:82c4] has joined #lisp 22:52:31 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:53:14 -!- gigamonkey [~user@c-24-7-84-162.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:54:34 fsmunoz [~fsmunoz@a81-84-225-153.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 23:00:07 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:07:21 symbole [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has joined #lisp 23:09:01 -!- pnq [asdf@172.163.176.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:13:02 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@42.Red-217-125-2.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:35 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:57 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:19:36 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:20:21 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 23:20:46 -!- xiackok [~xiackok@94.54.83.231] has left #lisp 23:23:23 -!- smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:25:21 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@82-171-137-254.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #lisp 23:25:51 smanek [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:06 -!- matthew_y [~matt@OSH-NET-202-225.onshore.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:26:42 uranther [~James@c-24-13-121-207.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:50 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@219-89-60-65.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 23:37:07 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@82-171-137-254.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:37:45 -!- ysph [~user@24-181-93-165.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:39:09 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 23:41:41 sepult` [~user@xdsl-87-79-136-216.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:42:37 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:43:49 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-78-34-248-249.netcologne.de] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:44:13 -!- sepult` is now known as sepult 23:44:20 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-136-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:29 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-136-216.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:48:07 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: brandelune] 23:49:11 -!- borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49:49 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:54:11 -!- blandest [~user@79.112.115.56] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:54:26 ... Tentative conclusion: Backtrace is broken on all non-x86oid targets. 23:55:41 -!- sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-136-216.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:27 Further conclusion: No SBCL maintainer actually cares about quality-of-implementation issues on sparc, alpha, or mips. 23:56:51 borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:46 sepult [~user@xdsl-87-79-136-216.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:58:40 -!- xan_ [~xan@129.131.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]