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prompts for (Yes/No/All/neVer)? 02:14:49 Why should it? restarts are more a programmatic means 02:15:01 sounds more something for your .emacs 02:15:49 what restart anyway? try-recompiling by chance? 02:16:35 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:16:52 For example, when i am connecting slime to stumpwm, i typically have several name-conflicts between packages stumpwm:stumpwm and common-lisp-user::stumpwm. So i handler-bind name-conflics to resolve-conflict in favor of stumpwm:stumpwm, so i don't have to manually select that restart many times. 02:16:52 02:17:04 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: brandelune] 02:17:44 It seems it would be just as useful when slime is not being used. Just as the other restarts from the sbcl backtrace. 02:17:59 that sounds odd 02:18:08 stumpwm should not use cl-user 02:18:32 a wrapper? 02:18:36 by hand? 02:19:41 emacs-dwim, where does the symbol come from? 02:20:34 or after updating to a new sbcl, if i forgot to clean all the fasls, i want to use the try-recompilnig restart for an entire asdf:oos. 02:21:26 nus: probably from me trying to execute forms in the wrong package. 02:21:38 there's some magic for that for your .sbclrc on cliki.net/asdf 02:21:44 s/evaluate/execute 02:22:09 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:22:34 <_3b> tcr: i think i found the problem with the sb-concurrency tests 02:22:53 <_3b> tcr: it seems to be stressing SLEEP granularity rather than CAS performance 02:23:31 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 02:24:20 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:24:25 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:25:35 The value for +timeout+ is too low on systems with a low granularity 02:25:38 -!- dysinger_ [~dysinger@cpe-66-8-173-142.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:21 <_3b> well, i might argue that the repeat count is too high on those systems, but that just affects run time rather than pass/fail 02:27:01 -!- Soulman1 [~knute@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 02:27:08 <_3b> 5 minutes for 3 tests is a bit much 02:27:17 Yeah or may toggle that one 02:27:30 on what system anyway? 02:27:51 What if you reduce the #msgs by a factor of 10? 02:27:52 <_3b> might also just do fewer longer sleeps 02:28:24 I don't think it does long sleep at all but those are introduced by low granularity? 02:28:39 *_3b* has a system with 100hz sleep granularity 02:28:52 <_3b> right, i mean do fewer sleeps, but sleep longer each time 02:29:14 <_3b> so it is less likely to take significantly longer than intended due to timer granularity 02:29:28 tcr: Thanks. Ok, i'll do this in .sbclrc. 02:29:59 <_3b> though that would test slightly different behavior, since the send thread would send more at a time 02:30:16 <_3b> (though possibly a good thing to test anyway) 02:30:26 brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:30:26 _3b: the sleeps are necessary otherwise the reader using read-messagae-no-hang will pretty much never read anything 02:30:35 Hey, if you're monkeying around with restarts and test failures, have a look at packages.impure.lisp / USE-PACKAGE-CONFLICT-SET. 02:30:41 -!- brandelune [~suzume@pl571.nas982.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 02:31:28 anyway I'm off to the pool :-) 02:31:30 I've got a fix for the other failure in packages.impure.lisp, but I'm not up to sorting out this one soon. 02:32:44 Meanwhile, I think I need to get some sleep. 02:32:47 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-64-223-150-41.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 02:33:14 nyef: thanks. 02:33:47 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:34:10 _3b: Could you test with the #msgs reduced by a factor of 10? 02:34:15 and +timeout+ unmodified 02:34:40 <_3b> yeah, just a sec 02:36:31 <_3b> how many should be :received with 100 senders 100 receivers 1000 messages? 02:36:49 _3b: 100HZ is the server setting, iirc 02:36:54 <_3b> divide that by 10 also? 02:37:42 <_3b> p_l: either that or due to running under xen, dunno 02:42:57 <_3b> tcr: that seems to work 02:46:15 sellout [~greg@c-24-128-48-180.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:51 ah, kernel-level virtualization prefers lower resolutions, because that means less interrupts 02:47:24 Borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:47:39 -!- Borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:47:43 <_3b> hmm, can't run all the tests from a binary download of sbcl :( 02:48:45 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:49:02 I need to test SBCL on Virtuozzo 02:50:10 it's cheaper to virtualize and utilizes resources better, but might have weird results on some software 02:52:03 BTW, what's the state of SBCL/amd64 and SBCL/x86 on Solaris? 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05:26:34 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:28:26 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31:14 hmmm... not portable, but found how to do it in SBCL 05:33:08 or ~/foo/ 05:33:48 smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:35:06 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:35:40 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 05:37:00 aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has joined #lisp 05:37:46 well, I wanted something that would have simple syntax, like ~red,, but I think I'll just make a special purpose function for this 05:43:44 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 05:52:05 Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-198-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:52:46 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:59:46 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:01:40 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 06:02:48 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:42 -!- maden [~maden@dsl-156-172.aei.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:09:18 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:16:41 potatishandlarn [~potatisha@c-4f667c4a-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 06:18:08 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:18:09 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 06:19:43 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 06:21:05 -!- pnq [~gaiug@ACA23BD4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 06:22:01 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 06:36:11 hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:36:30 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 06:37:36 -!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@unaffiliated/g0sub] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:38:20 G0SUB [~ghoseb@unaffiliated/g0sub] has joined #lisp 06:38:51 spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has joined #lisp 06:53:00 -!- aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:30 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:55:52 -!- TR2N [email@89-180-148-21.net.novis.pt] has left #lisp 07:00:55 alas not really 07:01:21 -!- billitch [~billitch@cpc3-cmbg14-2-0-cust129.know.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:02:36 -!- lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 07:03:01 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:03:42 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 07:04:45 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:04:48 cisticola [~daddy@202.134.251.153] has joined #lisp 07:06:13 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 07:09:46 merl15 [~merl@188-22-18-159.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 07:12:55 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-181-25.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:17:03 tcr: ? 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I want to blit an src surface to a dst surface at point (x, y). How do I do that? 07:55:42 (sdl:blit-surface src dst (sdl:point x y)) doesn't seem to work, the docs don't event mention the cell argument but there is one in my version of lispbuilder-sdl (probably ignored?) 07:59:54 -!- postamar [~postamar@206-248-162-221.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:05:53 dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-66-8-173-142.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:06:07 postamar [~postamar@69-196-186-135.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 08:14:16 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 08:14:29 galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:15:02 hi, is that normal that cffi-grovel exports #:grovel-file but doesn't include this function ? 08:19:23 oh it's a class defined in cffi-asdf.lisp 08:21:06 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-66-8-173-142.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dysinger] 08:31:31 lhz [~shrekz@c-dba672d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 08:33:01 -!- merl15 [~merl@188-22-18-159.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:38:19 -!- p0a [~user@athedsl-375890.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Quit: bye] 08:45:19 -!- ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:48:23 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:33 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:49:43 stis_ [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 08:51:54 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 08:59:21 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:07:38 -!- abens [~user@unaffiliated/abens] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:07:50 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:08 -!- Blkt`` [~user@dynamic-adsl-94-37-230-215.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: ERROR: do not makunbound t please!] 09:13:32 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:16:13 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:18:42 xan_ [~xan@216.Red-217-125-15.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 09:20:57 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 09:27:25 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 09:28:11 mgm [~mgm@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 09:29:25 -!- prip [~foo@host37-220-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:35:52 prip [~foo@host37-220-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:51:09 spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has joined #lisp 09:55:25 -!- schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:55:28 schmx [~marcus@c83-254-196-101.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 09:55:28 -!- schmx [~marcus@c83-254-196-101.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Changing host] 09:55:28 schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 09:56:34 madmuppet006 [~alexander@203-211-81-154.ue.woosh.co.nz] has joined #lisp 09:58:07 WePac [~bubble@p54AA6E13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:58:10 I have just started learning lisp and am wondering whether there is any way to draw graphics? I learnt some c by programming the mandelbrot set and would like to do the same wihth lisp 09:58:26 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58:26 minion: vecto? 09:58:27 vecto: Vecto is a graphics library that uses cl-vectors and ZPNG to draw vector graphics to PNG files. http://www.cliki.net/vecto 09:58:52 minion:thanks 10:01:23 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-198-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:47 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:01:55 Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-230-33.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 10:05:10 madmuppet006: there's also sdl bindings, and opengl :) 10:05:40 schmx:I used sdl with c so am a little familiar with it 10:05:48 not so opengl 10:06:08 minion: lispbuilder-sdl? 10:06:09 lispbuilder-sdl: Lispbuilder-SDL provides Common Lisp bindings for the SDL graphics library. 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-!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@unaffiliated/g0sub] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03:40 Mhh, I dreamt lucid 13:03:47 ly 13:04:00 lucid common lisp? 13:05:34 Nah 13:05:51 I stared at foil, amazed about how detailed I could see ^^; 13:05:52 then it's off-topic 13:05:57 Okay^^ 13:06:21 Edward_ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-54-168.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:06:52 dulouz [~dulouz@dsl254-119-219.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:35 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 13:08:18 -!- tcr [~tcr@203.82.94.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:09:53 -!- dulouz [~dulouz@dsl254-119-219.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:10:19 nixie [~nixie@121.227.50.98] has joined #lisp 13:10:51 G0SUB [~ghoseb@unaffiliated/g0sub] has joined #lisp 13:17:38 where does the clbuild install the packages? 13:18:00 in some subdirectory 13:19:53 ah, seems to go under the clbuild directory 13:24:33 spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has joined #lisp 13:26:57 -!- hohoho 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But ./clbuild check still says it doesn't have a lisp system to bootstrap. Is it OK? 13:46:34 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 13:48:46 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-69-193.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 13:49:09 josemanuel [~josemanue@10.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:50:31 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-53-150.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:51:25 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:52:11 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:53:33 -!- xan_ [~xan@197.Red-79-155-255.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:54:55 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:56:51 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 13:58:27 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 14:01:54 smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:03:07 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.12] has joined #lisp 14:09:31 -!- stis_ [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:59 -!- zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:10:03 zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 14:12:39 -!- nixie [~nixie@121.227.50.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:45 nixie [~nixie@121.227.50.98] has joined #lisp 14:16:50 bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:55 Q? How do I assure warnings i emit at compile time are noticed by slime, calling warn (in lispworks) wasn't sufficient. tx! 14:18:31 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@122.167.98.159] has joined #lisp 14:20:02 kenjin2202: You need to use some magic incantation to get clbuild to actually build and install sbcl. 14:20:47 Can you give a link? 14:21:03 me 14:21:54 I have a little experience in CL in linux but in windows it's very frustrating 14:23:00 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:24:02 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 14:24:03 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:26:05 hoh no idea about anything on windows :) 14:26:36 I tihnk it is clbuild compile-implementation sbcl 14:26:49 but you need something to actually compile it with. 14:27:46 schmx: Yes i've done it but i still can't figure out how to use slime with clbluid install working. 14:28:16 hmm.. 14:28:27 -!- Unsichtbar [~asd93k@unaffiliated/appetite] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:29 I just do clbuild slime 14:28:33 schme: Should I just go back to Ubuntu? 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16:08:41 -!- Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:32 _3b: (logical-pathname-translations "SYS") 16:09:48 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:10:07 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 16:10:09 <_3b> i tried ("SYS:CONTRIB;**;*.*.*" #P"/usr/local/lib/sbcl/**/*.*"), doesn't seem to help though 16:10:24 well, don't forget about asdf 16:11:26 <_3b> the require hooks for contribs don't seem to use the SYS stuff that i can see 16:12:13 <_3b> do you mean tell asdf where the contrib .asd files are and load them through asdf instead of the contrib hook? 16:13:21 setting SBCL_HOME should work for asdf 16:13:54 <_3b> that would fix the contrib hook from what i can see, how do i set that though? 16:14:07 sb-posix:setenv 16:14:44 *_3b* looked for that, dunno how i missed it :/ 16:15:07 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:15:40 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 16:16:26 -!- Naqo [~naccccc@211.152.12.114] has left #lisp 16:17:51 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:20:25 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:21:00 -!- tcr [~tcr@203.82.94.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:21:15 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:22:13 laynor [~user@109.77.83.159] has joined #lisp 16:23:55 Is there a function that works like (lambda (lst k) (butlast lst (- (length lst) k)))? 16:24:35 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 16:25:43 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 16:25:45 <_3b> laynor: subseq maybe? 16:26:17 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:26:21 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-207.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:23 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:27:11 _3b: thanks, (subseq lst 0 k) does the job :) 16:31:08 maden_ [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:31:13 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:31:17 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:31:40 -!- abens [~user@unaffiliated/abens] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:32:13 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:34:08 eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has joined #lisp 16:34:17 abens [~user@unaffiliated/abens] has joined #lisp 16:35:24 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 16:36:26 xan_ [~xan@216.Red-217-125-15.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:25 I have a package 'math-helpers' in my system, and I defpackage it in math-helper-package.lisp. 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http://paste.lisp.org/display/100320 17:19:41 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-36-82-251-1-77.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:21:26 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 17:23:52 -!- ASau` is now known as ASau 17:24:45 Paraselene [~Not@79-67-148-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 17:26:49 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 17:26:58 jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-109-rhwh-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:28:00 -!- rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:28:58 egn: you're not alone, and I don't think you'll be shunned for that ;) 17:29:30 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-150.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:01 lemoinem: I disagree with you, and I'm going to shun you for it. 17:32:12 I feel conflicting emotions. 17:33:35 -!- ramus [~ramus@99.23.140.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:34:28 so do I :P 17:35:12 -!- laynor [~user@109.77.83.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:31 -!- maden__ [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:35:47 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-20-82-64-53-92.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:06 -!- zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:41 -!- segv [~mb@p4FC1A5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:39:46 -!- Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 17:40:05 -!- eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has quit [Quit: eugu] 17:41:45 hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-103-23.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 17:41:45 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-44-230.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:10 zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 17:44:14 -!- Borkaman` [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:14 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:45:18 lichtblau: around? 17:45:58 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:46:19 segv [~mb@p54BE688A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:34 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-66-8-173-142.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:49:51 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:52:16 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:19 varjag [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 17:52:32 -!- varjag [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has left #lisp 17:53:18 nyef [~nyef@pool-64-223-150-41.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:34 Hello all. 17:53:35 ? 17:54:15 hello 17:54:45 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:55:10 ramus [~ramus@adsl-99-136-192-129.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:55:45 freiksenet1 [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 17:55:51 So why does lisp style suggest that we use "-" to seperate function names and never underscore? do-it instead of do_it? 17:56:13 <_3b> segmond: because it can? 17:56:22 _ is a pain to type. 17:56:27 and to read (: 17:56:30 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:47 is that the best you guys can come up with? 17:56:58 Seems good enough for me. 17:57:05 Easier to type, easier to read. What more do you want? 17:57:09 <_3b> well, why would you use _, aside from having a language that would cunfuse - with subtraction? 17:58:06 hey lichtblau, my cxml (and lisp in general) skillz have atrophied, but do you know how one closes a stream opened in a custom entity-resolver? 17:58:14 and hey nyef 17:58:26 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:58:37 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:58 - is used in natural language as well, ask writers why they don't use _ 17:59:54 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 18:00:03 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:00:07 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:28 Using a hyphen to create joined-up-words-for-a-single-concept is very common in English. 18:00:54 -!- freiksenet1 [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:58 Now.. why are lispers so easily trolled. One wonders :) 18:01:20 schmx: because of our sheer superiority 18:01:28 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 18:01:42 haha :) 18:02:52 slyrus_: shouldn't it happen automatically? 18:06:13 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08:04 dulouz [~dulouz@dsl254-119-219.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:28 lichtblau: sure, i guess. i have return an opened stream and wasn't sure if the cxml stuff was closing it or not 18:08:34 s/have// 18:08:56 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.18.232.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 18:09:09 mprime [~d0668528@gateway/web/freenode/x-yoqiozjxjrlsamwp] has joined #lisp 18:09:39 it would be nice if the author of this code wrote 1) some documentation, 2) some comments or 3) cleaner code 18:09:44 i wait, i wrote this. 18:09:50 s/i/oh/ 18:11:19 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75511a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:27 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-209-30-62-21.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:38 How odd... I do (cd tests && sh ./run-tests.sh foreign.test.sh), and it reports that packages.impure.lisp / USE-PACKAGE-CONFLICT-SET failed (expected failure, but still..). 18:13:05 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-140-65-60.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:18:38 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-54.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:21:17 freiksenet1 [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:21:49 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:28 smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:24:15 -!- freiksenet1 [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:06 daniel_ [~daniel@p5082E0DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:25 -!- Edward_ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-54-168.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:28:02 -!- daniel___ [~daniel@p5082F1CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:37 -!- marioxcc [~user@200.92.165.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:46 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:33:17 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:43 freiksenet1 [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:35:47 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:15 lichtblau: well, rather than not being closed, it looks like the stream is being closed twice, which is harmless enough, i guess. 18:40:05 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:41:26 freiksenet2 [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:41:30 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:41:51 -!- freiksenet2 [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 18:42:22 -!- freiksenet1 [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:48:08 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:48:30 bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:36 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:57 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:54:09 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 18:57:32 -!- deech [~user@24-107-146-101.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has left #lisp 18:57:41 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:57:51 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 19:02:11 maden_ [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:03:09 how do you guys read lisp code? do you read starting from the beginning or do you start from inside? perhaps it's because i'm new, but i tend to start from inside. :-/ so (/ (+ 21 3) (- 5 2)) too simple of an example, but even when trying to understand a function, i tend to look for the deepest part of the code and work my way up to the first line... is it just me? 19:03:11 -!- bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-201-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 19:03:49 segmond: I mostly look at the comments or docstrings. :) 19:04:08 schmx, when there is no comments and docstrings or when it's not enough. :) 19:04:42 segmond: Then I think.. Hmm.. I dunno.. somehow the eye moves out and gets a good shot of it all and zooms in on the interesting parts. You learn to see patterns I guess. 19:04:54 segmond: if that makes any sense whatsoever :) 19:04:57 marioxcc [~user@200.92.165.34] has joined #lisp 19:04:59 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@10.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 19:05:50 yeah it does. but i just know that with most imperative languages it's easy to start from the first line and just go line after line, but the nature of lisp allows one to build on top of each little code layer by layer, so perhaps that's why i tend to start from the inside 19:05:56 segmond: and I guess sometimes you just have to work through it the hard way :) 19:06:09 segmond: Starting from the inside makes sense to me. 19:06:45 well, just wondering if my mind is "turning towards the lisp mind" i never thought the parathensis will disappear, but that did. just want to know if i'm on the right track to lisp mastery. *evil laugh* 19:06:52 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@95-27-230-33.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 19:07:37 that's silly, you should start at the outside and work in 19:08:14 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:08:37 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 19:08:57 i should cuz hefner says so, when you write your lisp code, do you start from the outside? :) 19:09:14 hmm. 19:09:58 segmond: I guess it depends.. sometimes you read it one way, sometimes not. I dunno. 19:10:01 segmond: read more code! 19:10:05 or write more (: 19:10:31 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-44-230.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:10:44 well, perhaps I wasn't more clear, I was talking about in terms of understanding a function, not an entire body of code. :) schmx, I'm working on it, I'm reading. :) 19:11:20 I think I usually write functions linearly, working from the outside-in, except in hairy bits of code where I know the operation I want to perform but not exactly how to organize, say, the loop around it 19:11:48 but then I usually write programs bottom up from the lowest level functions first 19:12:31 heyhey [~512be70b@gateway/web/freenode/x-oeqnzxshiegpevwn] has joined #lisp 19:14:16 -!- heyhey [~512be70b@gateway/web/freenode/x-oeqnzxshiegpevwn] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:14:28 Anyway, I'm no authority, I don't read as much code as I should. Don't really write enough, either. :) 19:18:15 Borkamaniac [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:20:21 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:21:16 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:21:16 smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:24:12 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:58 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:32:32 -!- maden_ [~maden@modemcable068.120-20-96.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:19 mjonsson [~mjonsson@cpe-74-68-121-85.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:38:35 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@adsl-209-30-62-21.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 19:38:59 do people write code that depends on ** // ++? I can't see why else they would be locked 19:40:47 I've never used them, I just kill and yank a couple lines back if needed 19:42:00 I use ** and *** all the time in the REPL. I don't think anyone uses them in real code. 19:42:18 bytecolor: I use * ** *** all the time. the locking is because every defined external CL symbol has a set of restrictions. 19:42:25 bytecolor: they aren't singled out for special treatment. 19:42:34 ah 19:42:51 -!- zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:42:53 11 1 2 1 2 has the word 19:43:38 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.106.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:43:48 ephcon [~ephcon@207.114.246.31] has joined #lisp 19:44:36 abens` [~user@unaffiliated/abens] has joined #lisp 19:44:42 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:45:24 -!- abens [~user@unaffiliated/abens] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:46:54 -!- Paraselene [~Not@79-67-148-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:07 Xach: has anyone used * ** *** inside source code, not at repl? :-) 19:47:09 Paraselene [~Not@79-67-148-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 19:47:43 (IMHO it sounds like a *very* bad idea...) 19:49:10 the REPL uses them :) 19:49:22 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@d207-6-77-199.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:39 hefner: now imagine source of a function that uses them... 19:50:03 ever write a REPL? 19:50:26 just want to use them for a parser: ++ is one or more, ** is zero or more, // is prioritized choice 19:54:54 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-30-161.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:55 hrm, are keywords used as fn names much in cl? (setf (symbol-function ':*) #'make-zero-or-more-parser). (:* "foo") ; match "foo" zero or more times 19:57:14 hrm, or fn* fn/ fn+ fn? fn& fn!, those aren't horrible 19:58:09 p_l: notice that *, ** and *** are special variables. In general you don't use special variables in functions. 19:58:37 nod, don't think I'll use them 19:59:08 probably wind up being an up hill battle 19:59:21 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@207.114.246.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:59:21 bytecolor: usually not, but it is possible to fbind a keyword (to a function or a macro). Of course all caveat about global name spaces apply. 20:02:19 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:03:34 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 20:09:52 hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@rrcs-67-78-79-54.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:05 -!- adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-55-157.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:10:39 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.163.216.98] has joined #lisp 20:10:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-167-54.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:13:36 LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-71-107.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:04 Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:15:18 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:16:11 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 20:16:19 dysinger [~dysinger@33.sub-75-229-75.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 20:19:09 dysinger_ [~dysinger@36.sub-75-208-6.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 20:19:16 -!- dysinger_ [~dysinger@36.sub-75-208-6.myvzw.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:19:32 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 20:20:51 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@33.sub-75-229-75.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:24:45 Guthur [~michael@host86-150-202-161.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:24:57 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.163.216.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:25:16 -!- hugod [~hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279634288.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: hugod] 20:27:24 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:14 ikki [~ikki@189.139.132.222] has joined #lisp 20:29:55 -!- abens` [~user@unaffiliated/abens] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:13 abens` [~user@unaffiliated/abens] has joined #lisp 20:32:33 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:33:11 Odin- [~sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 20:34:35 amos__ [~amos@cpc3-bolt9-0-0-cust448.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 20:38:02 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:39:12 Occasionally I'm using * for ignored variables in things like lambda or d-b. 20:39:36 (Annoyingly, multiple * in the same lambda list cause a warning in SBCL.) 20:39:45 -!- c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:40 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 20:43:32 argh. I'm pulling my hair trying to come up with a simple 32-bit integer loop that can be written in a dozen or two machine instructions for comparison and benchmarking purposes. 20:43:36 -!- marioxcc [~user@200.92.165.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:51 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-134-109-rhwh-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:43:54 c|mell [~cmell@188-220-238-74.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:43:59 marioxcc [~user@200.92.165.34] has joined #lisp 20:46:01 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:58:27 hefner: i.e.? (: 20:58:46 netytan [~netytan@85.211.16.208] has joined #lisp 21:01:42 I'm starting to half-arse get the hang of clos. I've got (defgeneric parse (text parser &optional skipper)). I can throw a ton of methods at it specializing on parser. And I can use a :before method on specific subclasses of parse that require a pre-skip. The result of a skip is ignored anyway. awesome ;) 21:02:25 ... Ever get the feeling that SIGFPE just isn't getting delivered? 21:04:36 hrm, and possibly an :after to perform a post-skip (for instance to eat the whitespace or comments at the end of a file). cl is like a puzzle with infinite solutions. 21:09:46 -!- Hun [~hun@95-90-225-75-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:58 -!- joshe [~joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:55 MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:16 hi 21:17:50 (if x 21:17:50 (progn 21:17:50 ...) 21:17:50 (progn 21:17:53 ...)) 21:17:56 looks ugly 21:17:57 marioxcc: cond. 21:17:59 is there a better way? 21:18:16 cond 21:18:28 oh, of course, thanks :) 21:18:28 cond ? 21:18:36 cond? 21:18:39 ?cond 21:18:41 !cond 21:18:50 no bot replay for cond 21:18:54 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-74.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:57 err reply 21:19:02 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:07 Got it! SIGFPE -isn't- being delivered! 21:19:24 ehm? 21:19:27 clhs cond 21:19:27 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_cond.htm 21:19:35 ,cond 21:19:48 ok 21:20:00 i forgot virgules 21:20:10 i know how to use cond but i didn't figure out i could use it instead of if+progn, ¿can you believe? 21:20:12 haha :S 21:20:39 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 21:20:49 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:22:17 astalla [~astalla@93-36-226-84.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 21:25:47 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 21:26:07 Edward_ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-3-48.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:28:31 davazp [~user@83.55.179.18] has joined #lisp 21:29:47 hmmm... can someone explain to me why slime-repl hangs on any package-modification functions? 21:30:14 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:15 For example, if I call (use-package) or (export) 21:30:49 all of that in common-lisp-user, except I was exporting symbol in different package (I suspect it might be incorrect to use-package in cl-user) 21:31:46 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:32:48 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:34:32 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:51 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:35:55 hmmm... it works if I'm in package I'm exporting from, can't call that from different package... 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In: #. 23:07:01 File: #P"c:/lisp/slime/swank-loader.lisp" (Position #5563)" when I try to open emacs with ecl 23:07:36 asarch [~asarch@187.132.132.188] has joined #lisp 23:07:37 batment [~batment@193.151.12.149] has joined #lisp 23:07:45 leif-p [~leif-p@65.244.168.227] has joined #lisp 23:08:18 -!- batment [~batment@193.151.12.149] has quit [Client Quit] 23:08:30 batment [~batment@193.151.12.149] has joined #lisp 23:09:02 -!- batment [~batment@193.151.12.149] has left #lisp 23:09:14 batment [~batment@193.151.12.149] has joined #lisp 23:09:35 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:09:55 -!- batment [~batment@193.151.12.149] has left #lisp 23:11:08 prljavi_hari: i don't know 23:11:19 try the ecl mailing list or start emacs with emacs -Q 23:12:06 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 23:13:57 same thing happens when trying emacs with cygwin compiled ecl or windows compiled ecl 23:14:05 Hi, I'm trying to understand (and port) the pattern matcher from PAIP. I'm a little confused about the use of PROGV. My exact question is here: http://paste.lisp.org/+25EY Thanks! 23:15:18 emacs is polling forever with this error message in inferior-lisp buffer 23:15:48 i'll see then on ecl mailing list 23:16:51 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:17 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:18:25 leif-p: PROGV always does dynamic (special) bindings. 23:19:36 It's also going to be a bit more efficient than your LET trick. 23:20:30 -!- marioxcc-AFK [~user@200.92.165.34] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:21:08 WePac [~bubble@p54AA4C51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:18 silenius [~silenius@rrcs-64-183-24-50.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:30:42 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.195.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:46 -!- \hakl [~user@203.81-167-92.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:33:03 nyef: Thanks. It is more efficient. I guess I'm confused as to whether that's the only reason, or if there is any semantic difference between the two when doing real pattern matching. I haven't come up with a test case where my trick breaks, but I suspect they exist. 23:35:57 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:36:34 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.132.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:40 setheus_ [~setheus@cpe-70-116-140-134.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:38:05 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:03 DrDuck [~duck@adsl-81-16-208.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:27 I have a question that I would like an answer for in laymen's terms. 23:40:35 Why is Lisp such a big deal? 23:43:05 i'm trying to start emacs with ecl (windows) and here is my init.el and error log if someone wants to look: http://paste.lisp.org/+25EZ 23:43:11 -!- benny [~benny@i577A7DF2.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45:03 -!- schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45:06 schmx [~marcus@c83-254-196-101.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 23:45:06 -!- schmx [~marcus@c83-254-196-101.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Changing host] 23:45:06 schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 23:46:20 DrDuck: Give it try for yourself and see. 23:46:36 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:48:51 -!- silenius [~silenius@rrcs-64-183-24-50.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:50:01 DrDuck: google "Greenspuns's Tenth Rule" for the blunt answer 23:50:54 -!- ve [~a@guava.vm.bytemark.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:53:21 -!- G0SUB [~ghoseb@unaffiliated/g0sub] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:54:24 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.18.232.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: asdf] 23:54:36 G0SUB [~ghoseb@unaffiliated/g0sub] has joined #lisp 23:59:50 Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp