00:00:05 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:05 -!- Paraselene_ [~Not@79-67-148-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:01:08 Paraselene [~Not@79-67-148-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 00:03:02 i cannot download the lispworks, seems its time out, what will i do? 00:03:26 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:04:47 -!- bizarrefish [~lee@host86-146-52-27.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:05:02 mae_tae: try, try again 00:06:19 bizarrefish [~lee@host86-146-52-27.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 00:07:46 xach, can this be integrated to other prog. languages like VB 00:08:15 -!- pnq [~asdf@cpe-174-101-95-132.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:08:18 does it has a built in backtracking capability? 00:08:23 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 00:08:50 -!- gonzojive [~red@171.66.56.165] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 00:10:11 _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 00:10:39 -!- _JFT_ [~JFT@modemcable204.87-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: _JFT_] 00:11:25 -!- neomage [~smanek@static-71-249-221-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:12:33 pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has joined #lisp 00:13:37 mae_tae: if you want to try Lispbox, you may want to try the builds available here http://common-lisp.net/project/lispbox/ 00:13:53 The ones on gigamonkeys.com (my domain) or getting pretty stale and untasty. 00:14:20 gigamonkey, actually im looking at your site right now, hehehe 00:14:58 If you have questions about the ones on common-lisp.net there's a #lispbox 00:15:06 Though not highly populated at the moment. 00:15:12 it seems that there are more people using lisp than prolog 00:15:15 hehehe 00:15:32 _JFT_ [~JFT@modemcable204.87-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 00:16:34 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0108-90-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:16:59 -!- Kustnamenkloate [titan@unaffiliated/appetite] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:15 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:17:16 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.99] has joined #lisp 00:17:51 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:17:56 -!- jasper [~jasper@164-72-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:57 gigamonkey, can lisp can it be integrated to other prog. language? 00:18:15 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 00:18:17 Kustnamenkloate [titan@unaffiliated/appetite] has joined #lisp 00:18:22 you mean as a scripting langauge or so? 00:18:27 It seems like you haven't bothered to do any of your own research 00:19:32 yap, like integrating to the web 00:19:36 such as php 00:19:55 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has quit [Quit: pbalogh] 00:20:14 zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:20:27 -!- zoe [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:01 joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 00:21:43 mae_tae: there are many ways to integrate Lisp with other things depending on what exactly you want to do. 00:22:36 gigamonkey, im doing application like SMS 00:23:03 like doing academic advising through texting 00:23:03 I don't know enought about SMS to say whether that'll be easy or hard. 00:23:30 ok, but can that be integrated with VB or PHP? 00:24:27 -!- legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-61-170.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:24:39 mae_tae: depends a lot on what you mean by integrated. 00:25:00 There aren't probably a lot of people writing combined CL and VB or PHP apps. 00:25:02 lispworks can work with COM interfaces 00:25:27 somewhat that front end (interface ) is VB then whatever processing will be sent to LISP then return it back 00:26:26 -!- plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-15-181.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:27:48 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-128-21.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:27:49 _ace4016_ [~jmarcelin@adsl-11-98-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:10 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 00:28:41 -!- _ace4016_ is now known as ace4016 00:28:55 mae_tae: so, you need to do lots of work with COM? 00:30:22 francogrex said something about using ECL on windows (but that basically means he had to deal with COM at C level), there's also win32-ole or similar library that uses CFFI 00:30:43 other than LW and ACL, on windows ECL and CLISP work quite well 00:30:56 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483B5B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:31:25 -!- Kustnamenkloate [titan@unaffiliated/appetite] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:01 ah ok, thanks 00:33:12 the library is on github, afaik 00:33:15 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-11-98-41.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:33:27 p_l, does lisp has built in backtracking capacity 00:33:55 mae_tae: well, lisps tend to have good debuggers built in, though ECL not so much 00:34:15 or do you mean backtracking search? 00:34:22 yap 00:34:50 ah 00:34:59 no, not built in, though PAIP goes into detail about how to implement such things in Lisp 00:35:47 ah ok, hehehe, what is loop in lisp? recursion? 00:35:55 HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 00:37:40 cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has joined #lisp 00:38:15 clhs loop 00:38:38 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw51/CLHS/Body/m_loop.htm 00:38:42 specbot is dead 00:38:55 -!- HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:39:20 there's also a library called ITERATE that has more "lispy" syntax and is easier to extend 00:39:30 brb 00:39:48 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-26-227.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 00:40:23 p_l: http://l1sp.org/cl/loop 00:40:43 -!- sepult` [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-103-117.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:43 pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has joined #lisp 00:45:01 -!- aack [~user@a83-163-241-74.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:47 thanks people 00:48:09 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-76-194-212-145.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 00:50:37 its good that java can be integrated to LISP 00:50:39 hehehe 00:52:56 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:54:06 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 00:54:20 rme [~rme@pool-70-105-123-78.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:22 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:52 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:55:37 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 00:58:25 ,clhs assert 00:58:37 minion: clhs assert 00:58:37 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 00:59:51 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:00:03 http://l1sp.org/cl/assert 01:00:07 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 01:00:35 hmm... testing 01:00:42 http://l1sp.org/search?q= 01:00:44 damn 01:01:16 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 01:02:31 http://l1sp.org/search?q=assert 01:02:44 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@188.147.74.46.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Quit: 'night] 01:02:49 seems working now 01:03:09 p_l, is there a lisp in facebook 01:04:26 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:04:58 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:05:07 -!- Sergio`_ [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:05 -!- _JFT_ [~JFT@modemcable204.87-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: _JFT_] 01:08:18 -!- PuffTheMagic is now known as IrrationallyAnti 01:08:22 mae_tae: meaning a group? I think so, I might even be a member, but I don't really care about facebook, so I'm not the proper person to ask 01:08:26 -!- IrrationallyAnti is now known as PuffTheMagic 01:08:43 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08:49 benny [~benny@i577A85AB.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 01:09:10 yes a group 01:09:33 hehehe, just asking 01:09:34 hehehe 01:09:43 still i love to join here 01:09:48 heheh 01:09:50 ok thanks people 01:12:22 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 01:12:52 Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has joined #lisp 01:16:03 -!- Axioplase_ is now known as Axioplase 01:18:30 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:20:00 -!- SleepingCoyote is now known as coyo 01:21:30 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 01:22:24 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 01:23:44 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:28:53 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has joined #lisp 01:33:54 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@219.241.85.107] has joined #lisp 01:34:04 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.221.139] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 01:34:20 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:37 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@219.241.85.107] has quit [Client Quit] 01:36:10 gonzojive [~red@171.66.85.166] has joined #lisp 01:40:01 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0020-53-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 01:40:45 -!- bgs100 is now known as bgs000 01:41:52 -!- Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-37-19.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 01:43:17 -!- bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:47:52 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 01:50:00 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:22 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 01:52:09 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 01:52:32 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:46 -!- coyo [~unf@99-6-151-42.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ACTION closes window in a panic] 01:55:19 -!- debiandebian [~chatzilla@ntszok016207.szok.nt.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2/20100222071121]] 01:57:46 coyo [~unf@99-6-151-42.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:04 aw|rerun [~aw@p5DDA94B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:17 someguynamedstev [~someguyna@h69-130-132-182.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:40 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:02:46 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 02:03:28 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:04:02 -!- aw [~aw@p5DDA9330.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:06:36 -!- curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:06:49 -!- wakeup^ [~wakeup@koln-5d81af4e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:08:54 wakeup [~wakeup@koln-5d81768c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:09:23 -!- coyo [~unf@99-6-151-42.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ACTION closes window in a panic] 02:12:37 coyo [~unf@99-6-151-42.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:13:14 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has quit [Quit: pbalogh] 02:15:15 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 02:15:16 hefnr [~root@ppp-58-9-117-186.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 02:15:27 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0020-53-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:16:17 -!- hefner [~root@ppp-58-9-118-50.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:19:26 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:29 saw a book on prolog at the thrift store today, should have got it. copyright 1990. said something about Edinburgh syntax, but I forget the title 02:20:24 the craft of prolog? 02:20:24 stassats, memo from madnificent: maybe take a look at http://www.cliki.net/Benchmarks 02:21:37 not sure stassats, might go back and get it 02:21:39 -!- aw|rerun is now known as aw 02:21:39 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:22:53 it has a memorable cover: http://mitpress.mit.edu/images/products/books/9780262150392-f30.jpg 02:22:59 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0020-53-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 02:24:02 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-207-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24:07 no, that wasn't it, had a pretty boring cover actually, nothing Monet-like ;) 02:24:08 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-207-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:25:52 maybe I'll just look up one of the prolog-in-lisp exercises. not terribly interested in the language. more curiousity 02:27:08 been reading the clim spec, lots of clos, which is good. I need to look at clos examples. 02:28:38 I was disappointed the uni library didn't have The Art of the Metaobject Protocol 02:28:50 I may actually have to buy it, hehe 02:29:04 I was thinking about ditching the qt->lisp stuff and try to implement a subset of clim. The sheets chapter has a ton of stuff to study in it. 02:29:25 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:29:32 Guthur: I've still got :around methods to learn ;) 02:29:44 you may try to make a Qt-backend for Mcclim 02:31:36 -!- someguynamedstev [~someguyna@h69-130-132-182.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:51 havent read enough of the spec to know what that means (a renderer?) like how to draw a button a certain way? 02:33:16 that's kinda what interests me, the clim apps I've seen a just fugly as hell 02:33:23 something like that 02:33:32 ikki [~ikki@200.95.162.199] has joined #lisp 02:33:34 the widgets just look like hell 02:34:26 well unless you're into Motif, I guess 02:34:40 i'm not concerned about beauty, i'm more interested in getting international fonts and input right 02:35:07 stassats: probably no small task, else it would already be working! ;) 02:36:04 since mcclim uses X directly, it has to do all that on its own, maybe with Qt it would be easier 02:36:50 stassats, Out of curiosity which window manager do you use? I assume you are linux. 02:37:03 are/are on 02:37:08 Guthur: i am human, and i use ion3 02:38:16 I thought about trying one of the lisp wm, I'm not into bells and whistles when it comes to a wm, anyway. using openbox 02:38:20 I assume the 'I am human' was for the me referring to you as Linux, rather than that ion3 is some how the natural interface for humans 02:38:44 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 02:39:51 Guthur: that's right 02:40:26 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:40:49 pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has joined #lisp 02:41:25 Just reading about the author here 02:42:22 stumpwm is alright, but it needs some time to configure it to ones liking, the same as ion3, so i use it just because i already tailored it to my preference and i'm hesitant to redo that 02:44:10 is there an official clim spec somewhere? I've got two marked, mikemac.com and labri.fr. guessing mike's page 02:44:34 I have heard stumpwm can be a little crash happy 02:45:07 does stumpwm have a repl for the desktop? ;) 02:45:12 Guthur: I've been using it since December and had no troubles...well, I had some weird behavior when I docked and undocked my laptop but that's stopped. 02:45:23 bytecolor: i use http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/index.html 02:45:25 tcr [~tcr@29.182.48.60.brk02-home.tm.net.my] has joined #lisp 02:45:33 bytecolor: M-Enter gives an eval prompt. And you can start swank and connect to it but that's not the same thing, really. :) 02:45:45 stassats: cool 02:45:47 and that's what's used mostly by developers of mcclim, i believe 02:45:52 bytecolor: and it's annotable! 02:46:00 redline6561: ah 02:46:04 annotatable 02:46:06 stassats: oh, that's a plus 02:47:44 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0020-53-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:59 enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-168-152-229.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:48:56 zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 02:49:28 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has quit [Quit: pbalogh] 02:49:38 clim is a really well written doc. Even I can understand it. 02:49:56 but it's not perfect 02:50:14 seems like a hell of a good 'idea', guess there just aren't enough eyeballs on it 02:50:38 It's probably just such a large undertaking 02:50:57 You'd likely need a team, of good lispers 02:51:16 well, there is mcclim, it just needs some corners to be polished 02:52:27 did mcclim start with a body of code or is it a ground up implementation of clim? 02:53:40 bytecolor: http://www.lichteblau.com/blubba/font-selector/mcclim/Development-History.html 02:54:30 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0020-53-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 02:55:30 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.166.155.38] has joined #lisp 02:55:34 amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has joined #lisp 02:56:12 asarch [~asarch@187.132.113.34] has joined #lisp 02:58:04 -!- Lithos [~chatzilla@DSLPool-net209-213.wctc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:58:46 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@122-57-15-219.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 03:00:04 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.166.155.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:01:00 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-dqkduozhdwjsrdja] has joined #lisp 03:04:45 astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has joined #lisp 03:05:50 good read, so it's been built up piecemeal, by quite a few people 03:06:41 gospch [~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch] has joined #lisp 03:08:21 by looking at qt's code, creating widgets that look good is serious business. attention to detail, not just a box with a border 03:08:34 -!- mae_tae [~7960fb0e@gateway/web/freenode/x-lqjyngyncdgvxseu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:08:46 and the ver of code I'm looking at only has windows-style or motif-style 03:09:15 -!- marioxcc [~user@201.132.135.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:18 stassats: what mcclim code base are you pulling from? 03:10:42 the official one 03:11:01 Lithos [~chatzilla@DSLPool-net209-213.wctc.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:07 http://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/ ? 03:12:15 yes 03:13:40 gwynddyllyd [~fintn@201.19.11.138] has joined #lisp 03:16:43 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.113.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:17:30 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:18:55 -!- Guthur [~michael@host86-136-51-210.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:32 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:34 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.163.217.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:29:25 Good morning! 03:32:09 -!- gonzojive [~red@171.66.85.166] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 03:32:28 mornin' beach. 03:32:49 Morning? Where are you, Australia? 03:33:04 gonzojive [~red@171.66.85.166] has joined #lisp 03:33:05 It's almost 1 am here! 03:33:35 it's afternoon in Australia, i believe 03:34:12 Well, in any case, good morning! 03:35:11 130pm on the east coast of Australia ;) 03:36:16 #lispers are all around the globe 03:38:01 s/all/everywhere/ 03:38:18 -!- gonzojive [~red@171.66.85.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:42:57 Can anyone point out a good intro to ASDF? 03:43:09 minion: xach-asdf? 03:43:09 xach-asdf: Xach's article "Making a small Common Lisp project" can be found at http://xach.livejournal.com/130040.html 03:43:51 is there any double buffering at all in clim-demo:gadget-test ? 03:44:01 pnq [~gaiug@ACA23CA2.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 03:44:33 stassats: ahhh, thanks! 03:46:47 well, at least the demo is running, that's a plus ;) 04:06:45 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-dqkduozhdwjsrdja] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:09:19 -!- Lithos [~chatzilla@DSLPool-net209-213.wctc.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 04:09:40 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-123-78.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:16:31 -!- Lectus [~Frederico@189.105.26.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:20 logic-cube, software 3d, cool 04:21:37 -!- amnesiac [~amnesiac@p3m/member/Amnesiac] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:35:10 HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 04:37:59 -!- HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:39:01 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has joined #lisp 04:41:43 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 04:44:39 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:46:00 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-40.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 04:48:21 quotemstr [~quotemstr@cpe-67-247-228-249.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:48:39 Is there some kind of unit testing built into the standard? I doubt it, but somebody claims there is. 04:48:43 (Note: assert doesn't count.) 04:50:33 who claims? 04:51:02 Someone from #emacs. Claims he used to use a system that supported something like (defun foo () (:tests ...) ...) 04:52:30 there is no such thing in the standard, at least in the standard of Common Lisp 04:52:47 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:53:02 You could do fancy stuff with (declare (test ...)) which would be portable 04:53:23 You can define new declare-forms? 04:53:27 can you retrieve declarations? 04:53:37 clhs declaration 04:53:38 rryouumaa [~unknown@ip68-226-111-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:47 wow this is a huge channel 04:53:50 I'm already reading that section. :) 04:54:02 "An implementation is free to support other (implementation-defined) declaration identifiers as well. " 04:54:05 stassats: nope but the code would be portable, the testing framework not 04:54:17 *quotemstr* always hated DECLARE, by the way. 04:54:34 It's a hideous syntax. 04:54:42 it was definitely not implementation-specific, and it was definitely not a wrapper around defun, iirc 04:55:11 in lieu of outside declarations, macros are a pain to get really right 04:55:38 What do you mean? 04:55:40 quotemstr: what would be better? 04:56:04 It looks like DECLARATION is there to specifically support non-standard declarations. 04:56:16 stassats: Overload ampersand-keywords. 04:56:17 quotemstr: Most macros do not really take declarations into account. Search for Parse-declarations, and read through the Examples in the manual 04:56:37 quotemstr: i mean something non-hideous! 04:56:38 (defun foo (x y z) (&type fixnum x y z) ...) 04:56:50 why is that better?> 04:56:58 minion: parse-declarations 04:56:59 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``parse-declarations''. 04:57:03 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 04:57:06 Fewer parenthesis. Clearer meaning. And it's obviously not a normal function call. 04:57:32 fewer parenthesis? just don't declare types 04:58:11 -!- gospch [~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58:23 Well, clearly, not using declarations beats any declaration syntax in that respect. 04:59:01 I use (defsignature foo (fixnum fixnum) => fixnum) 04:59:53 parse-declarations doesn't seem to exist. 04:59:59 ,defsignature 05:00:20 http://common-lisp.net/project/parse-declarations/ 05:00:48 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-mgxdayomjflgnzav] has joined #lisp 05:00:52 See? 05:00:57 Declarations are evil hacks. 05:01:04 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 05:02:49 i'd say, any declarations, but sometimes you can't get away without it 05:02:59 it is /possible/ that what i am thinking of was some ansi-compliant overloading of declare 05:03:07 does that make any sense? 05:03:28 no, you can't do anything with symbols defined by the standard 05:03:56 But you can define your own declarations. 05:03:57 i am presuming that quotemstr explained before i arrived 05:04:10 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:04:13 quotemstr: ok, example? 05:04:31 (declaim (declaration foo)) 05:04:36 clhs DECLARATION 05:04:42 no specbot 05:04:55 http://l1sp.org/cl/declaration 05:05:20 gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 05:05:39 but it only says to the compiler: don't shout when you see one 05:05:57 that implies ansi-noncompliance of the feature though 05:06:26 -!- _3b [foobar@cpe-70-112-214-100.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:07:10 or rather, an extension 05:07:18 You'd have to shadow CL:DEFUN and parse your custom declaration yourself. 05:07:42 well, i'm going to give up. i thought it was simpler than that. 05:08:14 -!- _3b` [foobar@cpe-70-112-214-100.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:08:35 well, i'm thinking that placing tests inside a function isn't a good idea 05:09:11 If we can, we should! And if we should, we must! 05:09:17 you got docstrings, declarations, tests, and where the hell is the function in that mess? 05:09:17 It is inevitable 05:09:58 i kind of like the idea :) 05:09:59 mahmud_ [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:11:46 that depends whether you're sold on TDD 05:11:51 ? 05:12:06 test driven development 05:12:19 -!- CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:12:46 rryouumaa: can't you just write a macro that generates the function and the test separate, but allow you to use that syntax you want when using it? 05:12:49 As I said in #emacs a few moments ago, "X Development" is usually just "let's invent a fancy name for something we've been doing for years" 05:12:50 oh, i just like putting stuff together that belongs, not ideological about development 05:13:15 gwynddyllyd: indeed i could. i am referring to a specific post on cll years ago that was rather nice. 05:13:17 well, you can place it below or above the function 05:13:42 yes, deftest is just fine 05:14:05 and separate everything with ^L 05:15:02 rryouumaa: can you link it here? :) 05:15:29 gwynddyllyd: nfw i'd find it, which is why i asked :) 05:15:35 Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 05:16:23 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:16:25 rryouumaa: oh, sorry. I thought it was just a step in that direction but didn't solve your problems. 05:16:36 (the post, that is) 05:17:08 note: i don't actually need this :). i was kind of tangentially contributing to a conv in #emacs about testing by bringing it up. my hope that somebody would remember it was not realized. 05:17:21 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:18:14 CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 05:22:46 -!- CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25:07 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:25:13 _3b [foobar@cpe-70-112-86-23.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:26:33 -!- Phoodus [foo@174-17-12-60.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28:41 -!- _3b is now known as _3b` 05:28:55 _3b [foobar@cpe-70-112-86-23.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:28:58 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7550a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:30 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:36:09 CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 05:37:11 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 05:38:14 -!- Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #lisp 05:38:45 Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-191-226.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:38:55 Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 05:39:03 -!- Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 05:41:21 -!- gwynddyllyd [~fintn@201.19.11.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42:39 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-184-207-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:45:34 Xantoz [~hejhej@c-f7b6e253.01-157-73746f30.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 05:49:38 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:52:45 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7550a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:53:34 -!- marchdown [~marchdown@ppp79-139-171-114.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:54:04 gospch [~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch] has joined #lisp 05:58:27 marchdown [~marchdown@ppp79-139-170-103.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #lisp 06:03:06 -!- Sergio` [~positron@unaffiliated/sergio/x-8197433] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:06:53 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 06:08:12 Good morning! 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06:57:14 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:58:10 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-40.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: night] 07:00:47 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:01:28 plage [~user@serveur5.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 07:01:32 Good morning! 07:04:21 nostoi [~nostoi@224.Red-79-151-42.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 07:05:31 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 07:06:25 vtl [~user@nat/redhat/x-odcbnngkdjssxzsf] has joined #lisp 07:09:16 aerique [euqirea@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:09:48 hi plage 07:09:50 -!- plage [~user@serveur5.labri.fr] has quit [Disconnected by services] 07:10:04 plage` [~user@serveur5.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 07:10:49 -!- Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:12:03 plage [~user@serveur5.labri.fr] has joined #lisp 07:14:40 ASau [~user@77.246.231.20] has joined #lisp 07:15:19 lnostdal_ [~lnostdal@162.80-203-136.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 07:15:27 -!- bozhidar [~user@93-152-185-88.ddns.onlinedirect.bg] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:15:32 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:00 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@cpe-76-168-152-229.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 07:17:11 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@162.80-203-136.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:17:15 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:18:37 stassats: I'm American. No it isn't! 07:19:18 -!- segmond [~seg@adsl-99-103-112-247.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:22:35 levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 07:22:36 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@224.Red-79-151-42.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:22:49 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 07:23:04 -!- dcibiel [~dcibiel@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #lisp 07:26:55 -!- X-Scale [email@89-180-136-35.net.novis.pt] has left #lisp 07:31:10 -!- somecodehere [~ingvar@77-233-95-4.televork.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31:21 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 07:32:40 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 07:32:45 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:35:06 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0020-53-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:35:43 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-30-161.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:41:36 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 07:43:16 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-19-215.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 07:44:46 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-zemirmnkvybmjukj] has joined #lisp 07:48:14 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:48:27 hmmm... who worked on Cucumber adapter for CL? 07:49:54 antifuchs? 07:53:48 j4K0b [~j4k0bk@93.160.119.14] has joined #lisp 07:57:56 -!- rryouumaa [~unknown@ip68-226-111-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #lisp 08:01:12 -!- gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 08:08:37 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 08:09:06 bozhidar [~user@212.50.14.187] has joined #lisp 08:11:07 stassats: here? 08:11:20 stassats: (sb-posix:getuid |) will display just (getuid) in autodoc 08:11:28 being in the cl-user package 08:11:31 -!- Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 08:12:18 indeed 08:13:55 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:14:13 good morning 08:14:21 Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 08:14:28 hi mvilleneuve 08:14:56 actually, it prints with everything without package 08:15:03 s/with// 08:16:05 oh, it doesn't, it's my customization 08:16:50 -!- plage` [~user@serveur5.labri.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:12 or it does, doh 08:19:01 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 08:19:53 tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.21] has joined #lisp 08:20:16 right, it uses princ everywhere 08:23:49 hohoho [~hohoho@pa3a20d.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 08:24:06 -!- aw [~aw@p5DDA94B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 08:25:25 Krystof [~csr21@howells.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 08:26:32 TeMPOraL [~user@178.182.39.2.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has joined #lisp 08:28:57 hm 08:29:11 I wonder if I wanted that behaviour at some point 08:29:26 probably yes because package names can easily be pretty longish 08:30:02 i usually care about parameters only 08:31:56 -!- fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server.] 08:32:04 fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has joined #lisp 08:32:58 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:33:05 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 08:33:05 -!- clog [nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:33:09 clog [nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 08:33:46 HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 08:34:03 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@pa3a20d.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:34:14 ASau` [~user@77.246.231.20] has joined #lisp 08:34:16 -!- ASau [~user@77.246.231.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:34:16 -!- johanbev [~johanbev@136.80-203-45.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:34:19 -!- peddie [~peddie@adsl-76-254-70-196.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:34:34 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 08:34:35 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:34:39 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34:49 -!- joga [joga@rikki.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:34:50 peddie [~peddie@adsl-76-254-70-196.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:35:21 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:35:21 -!- foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:35:21 -!- sjbach [~sjbach__@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:35:35 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 08:35:37 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 08:35:48 spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has joined #lisp 08:35:55 joga [joga@rikki.fi] has joined #lisp 08:37:11 -!- HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:38:53 yeah me too, actually; I was just irritated 08:41:23 udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 08:43:00 hohoho [~hohoho@pa3a20d.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 08:43:49 sjbach [~sjbach__@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 08:43:58 foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 08:44:09 johanbev [~johanbev@136.80-203-45.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 08:44:27 Axius [~hi@92.85.223.35] has joined #lisp 08:44:57 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:45:26 stassats: The sldb error message has a mouse-over magic to display the error message in a popup box 08:45:37 I find that annoying. I'd favor getting rid of that. 08:48:33 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:51:37 -!- Axius [~hi@92.85.223.35] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:53:31 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dysinger] 08:55:26 it's doing so only when the length is more than 70 08:56:14 but it doesn't show it expanded or anything 08:56:32 so, i'd ditch it 08:59:47 -!- astoon [~astoon@213.141.244.246] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 09:00:44 thanks 09:07:10 -!- zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:12:48 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:13:03 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:18:04 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 09:20:14 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.74.99] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:20:28 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 09:21:21 Bah I really should look into slime-indentation.el, resp. cl-indent.el, and build up some hack-fu for that 09:22:06 aw [~aw@141.76.6.149] has joined #lisp 09:25:32 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 09:29:40 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:30:49 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:31:05 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:31:40 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:31:59 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:32:48 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:33:25 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:34:10 lharc [~shrek@88.131.67.194] has joined #lisp 09:34:33 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:59 -!- marchdown [~marchdown@ppp79-139-170-103.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:15 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:37:30 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:37:32 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:37:50 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:45:04 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:45:20 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:45:49 -!- vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:42 marchdown [~marchdown@ppp79-139-171-167.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #lisp 09:47:21 rread_ [~rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:50:32 -!- rread [~rread@nat/sun/x-nyicfnngyhznwxgf] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:50:32 -!- rread_ is now known as rread 09:52:44 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.29.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:58 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:20 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:55:02 spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has joined #lisp 09:56:22 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 09:57:25 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:57:32 -!- potatishandlarn [~potatisha@79.102.13.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:57:41 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:57:50 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.29.84] has joined #lisp 09:58:26 -!- Krystof [~csr21@howells.doc.gold.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:00:22 LinkFly [~linkfly@94.158.187.24] has joined #lisp 10:01:38 pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has joined #lisp 10:01:48 -!- aw [~aw@141.76.6.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:04:02 I've always coded around it with conditional clauses but I'm browsing through the CLHS docs for LOOP but there isn't something like (loop-next), is there? Similar to (next-iteration) for ITERATE or "continue" in other languages. 10:04:18 no 10:04:33 -!- ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:04:50 ephcon [~ephcon@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:05:05 didn't loop have an implicit tagbody tag? 10:05:46 i don't know, but it doesn't have now 10:05:50 potatishandlarn [~potatisha@79.102.13.108] has joined #lisp 10:06:26 mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 10:06:41 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 10:07:06 i rarely need continue with LOOP 10:07:18 stassats: now? 10:07:55 lharc: yes, in the ANSI Common Lisp 10:08:19 maybe in the past it did have, but not now 10:08:59 stassats: ah I see. I must be thinking of an other form that had an implicit tagbody that could be used. 10:09:44 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 10:11:35 lharc: do, do* and dotimes have an implicit tagbody 10:13:04 right, thanks 10:14:29 Athas` [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 10:16:02 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:16:13 -!- Athas` is now known as Athas 10:21:03 ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 10:21:46 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:22:49 Athas` [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 10:23:16 -!- Athas` [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:50 and all other do* functions 10:23:54 err, macros 10:24:31 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:27:18 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:31:33 -!- LinkFly [~linkfly@94.158.187.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:26 -!- peddie [~peddie@adsl-76-254-70-196.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:35:24 fallen` [~986a6314@gateway/web/freenode/x-wnxdqvotxwrolsuz] has joined #lisp 10:36:55 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A0D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:37:40 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:39:08 luis: ping 10:40:44 foom: ping 10:41:25 -!- segv [~mb@p4FC1AEA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:41:49 m4dnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 10:42:45 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:47:39 segv [~mb@p4FC1BE84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:48:26 vu3rdd [~vu3rdd@164.164.250.10] has joined #lisp 10:48:43 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has quit [Quit: pbalogh] 10:49:39 pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has joined #lisp 10:51:00 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 10:53:26 -!- pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:55:31 aw [~aw@w4825.dip.tu-dresden.de] has joined #lisp 11:00:06 -!- Zhivago [~zhivago@li49-59.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:00:42 stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 11:00:59 -!- egn [~egn@li101-203.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:01:14 -!- cmeow [cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:01:16 -!- luis [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:01:50 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:02:09 egn [~egn@li101-203.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 11:02:28 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 11:02:32 luis [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has joined #lisp 11:04:58 -!- aw [~aw@w4825.dip.tu-dresden.de] has left #lisp 11:05:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07:23 cmeow [~cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has joined #lisp 11:12:47 Guthur [~michael@host81-156-232-252.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 11:16:23 egoz [~Egoz@202.70.51.135] has joined #lisp 11:23:40 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 11:23:43 -!- plage [~user@serveur5.labri.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:48 pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has joined #lisp 11:27:56 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 11:28:01 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.29.84] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:48 Krystof [~csr21@howells.doc.gold.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:34:01 why CCL requires separate 32bit and 64bit executables for win32? ie. I dump a 32bit .exe of my app and it won't run on 64bit windows, because CCL says (via stdout) that OS is unsupported and terminates itself. I am curious about the reason. 11:35:31 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:36:40 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@2002:457c:851b:0:223:6cff:fe98:beef] has quit [Quit: pbalogh] 11:37:19 on ccl, (namestring (parse-namestring "ffff.f.f.f.f.f.f")) => "ffff\\.f\\.f\\.f\\.f\\.f.f" ooops 11:38:38 well, on a second thought, it should work 11:41:14 but for some reason it doesn't 11:41:17 CCL is made of evil and bright ideas gone awry 11:42:19 hej hefnr 11:42:47 It's probably hard to decide right now due to the current situation in bangkok, but will there be a chance that you'll be in thailand in the very end of July? 11:43:18 tcr: most likely, yes. 11:43:51 pmd [~user@2001:690:2100:4:200:1aff:fe19:daa8] has joined #lisp 11:44:10 I'll have to do a visa run from malaysia to thailand in the end of july. My flight is booked on 28th July to Bangkok. I hope that the situation will improve in the weeks. 11:44:30 in the comming weeks 11:44:34 chance we can meet? 11:45:03 sure, that would be cool 11:45:05 -!- hefnr is now known as hefner 11:46:10 it doesn't work even if i merge pathnames with concatenate, i don't get to blame cl pathnames today 11:46:15 nice 11:47:20 TeMPOraL: CCL has issues with WoW64, so the dumped binaries prefer to inform about it rather than be ravaged by kittehs of doom 11:48:51 i guess the question was "what issues does it have?" 11:49:29 p_l: WoW64 11:49:30 ? 11:49:41 Windows on Windows64 11:49:48 World of Warcraft 64 11:49:59 stassats: sounded kind like that :D 11:50:06 World of Winwoes 64 11:50:09 p_l: thx 11:50:31 tcr: remember to also watch out for the killer ash cloud 11:50:35 however, there IS a 64bit executable of CCL for Windows 11:50:58 rsynnott: the one that eats planes? 11:51:01 ;D 11:51:04 indeed 11:51:07 (well, engines, really) 11:51:18 rsynnott: the rest of plane gets hit pretty badly too 11:51:25 tcr: I have a flight to Bangkok on June 3. It is seeming pretty unlikely that I will get to go at this point. 11:51:31 so, use a glider! 11:51:39 TeMPOraL: the 64bit binary runs natively on 64bit windows 11:51:44 or a baloon 11:51:47 stassats: gliders would feel it even worse 11:52:12 sellout: come to Kuala Lumpur 11:52:14 :) 11:52:14 p_l: were there ANY reported cases of this cloud actually damaging something? 11:52:21 'cause I never heard any 11:52:21 The army are firing alot in the air so that could hazardous to one health 11:52:41 The glider and balloon idea 11:52:46 TeMPOraL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9 11:52:52 TeMPOraL: that's the most famous incident 11:52:54 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 11:53:17 doesn't look like _this_ cloud 11:53:32 p_l: it's 1982 11:53:36 not 2010 11:53:36 by that time, the danger of ash clouds was known already so flights were stopped 11:53:46 from what I read on wiki few weeks ago 11:53:49 TeMPOraL: Because civil aviation is all about *prevention* 11:53:58 the current "ash" cloud has no ash 11:54:05 TeMPOraL: hahahahahahahahaah 11:54:07 it's just sand melted to glass crystals 11:54:12 dumped with vapour 11:54:15 at high altitudes 11:54:19 TeMPOraL: don't use the illustration from wiki 11:54:35 clhs ash 11:54:40 TeMPOraL: it's misleading. 11:55:00 well, ash is not off-topic 11:55:06 fe[nl]ix: I do love Malaysian food  is there good rock climbing there? 11:55:22 sellout: I have no idea 11:55:41 changing system time in the middle of a slime/sbcl, sbcl drops to ldb.. nice :) 11:55:44 *session 11:56:03 sellout: http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/routes/page.cgi?g=Asia/Malaysia 11:56:20 stassats: When setting up stumpwm did you just download the tarball for portable-clx, or is there a way to get it through clbuild? 11:57:00 i don't know about clbuild, i use http://common-lisp.net/~crhodes/clx/ 11:58:26 galdor [galdor@def92-10-88-162-192-107.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:58:34 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 11:59:01 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 12:01:38 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@pa3a20d.tokynt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:02:02 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-30-161.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:02:21 fusss [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 12:02:43 sellout: Yeah either come to KL, or try to arrange to be in bangkok in the last week of july, or first week of august 12:02:47 when is define-modify-macro used? seems like defsetf takes care of most of is use-cases 12:03:13 fusss: uhm no not all 12:03:19 fusss: define-modify-macro is for incf, etc. 12:03:24 defsetf for (setf (foo ..) ..) 12:03:26 tcr: What is going on? 12:03:52 sellout: having fun 12:04:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 12:04:26 Ah, good. 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do you have your vps? linode? 16:19:16 xan_ [~xan@194.224.2.170] has joined #lisp 16:19:23 yeah. in new jersey. mine's down too. 16:19:32 -!- cmeow [cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 16:19:39 newark, grrr 16:20:12 prolly some jersey utility crew, digging the wrong pot-hole 16:20:19 so you're in newark too? ;) 16:20:22 -!- gonzojive [~red@128.12.248.192] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 16:20:24 hahaha 16:20:46 -!- hefner [~root@ppp-58-9-117-186.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:21:28 -!- luis [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:21:36 seen Adlai lately? 16:21:44 backfriend [~CrazyEddy@210.8.79.105] has joined #lisp 16:21:52 -!- backfriend [~CrazyEddy@210.8.79.105] has quit [Changing host] 16:21:52 backfriend [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:22:01 -!- backfriend is now known as CrazyEddy 16:22:01 -!- CrazyEddy is now known as CrEddy 16:22:16 fusss: nope. 16:22:37 *p_l* was thinking of getting linode in UK 16:22:56 though I have chances for Linux VPS in Poland or Germany, but on different tech 16:23:18 my next toy will be this german host that offers dedicated boxes for $50/mo 16:23:21 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:24:04 redline6561 [~redline@gate-30.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 16:24:24 somecodehere [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 16:24:52 p_l: I can recommend Gigatux, they seem like decent VPS provider 16:24:55 I was offered a VPS for <$20/month 16:25:13 hefner [~root@ppp-58-9-112-60.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 16:25:30 TeMPOraL [~user@wifi-wpa.agh.edu.pl] has joined #lisp 16:25:44 except they had higher utilization of servers, facilitiated by using containers instead of kernel-level VMs 16:25:46 There was some downtime recently for a hardware upgrade but that was the only blip, and there was adequate warning about it 16:26:38 -!- CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:57 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 16:27:09 fusss: which one ? 16:27:58 the ~$11 USD/month package had 512MB ram, 35G storage, public IPv4 paid separately (once a year, but not too much), v6 /64 included with each host (attached to a v6-enabled network) 16:28:20 fe[nl]ix: i haven't used them yet, so I am not exactly endorsing them. but price looks good. http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ds3000/ 16:28:29 :D 16:28:33 guarantees of ~25% cpu share for VPS :) 16:29:26 fe[nl]ix: do you know of any cheaper ones? 16:29:27 fusss: I rented a machine at hetzner, an EQ4 :) 16:29:34 I like it a lot 16:29:58 -!- alinp [~alinp@89.137.98.94] has quit [Quit: alinp] 16:30:06 -!- Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE0015e9d40d4f-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:29 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:30:36 luis [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has joined #lisp 16:30:46 fusss: it's back up 16:30:54 it IS way better, same price, diff is setup fee anyway 16:31:09 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:16 HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:31:21 sykopomp|jeejah: sweet! 16:32:25 cmeow [cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has joined #lisp 16:32:36 wow, Franz is rolling with the big boys 16:32:47 fusss: what is better ? 16:33:01 EQ4 > DS3000 16:33:13 8GB RAM vs 2GB for same price 16:33:28 ? 16:33:46 -!- HET3 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:33:53 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 16:34:07 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:34:07 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-19-215.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 16:34:50 fe[nl]ix: are you running heavy stuff on the EQ4? 16:35:08 it looks too powerful for amateur work ;-) 16:35:19 *p_l* would probably sublease it 16:35:40 or offer consulting work with hosting included :) 16:35:44 i would put a xend on it 16:36:20 fusss: no, I'm using it as VPN gateway - openvpn and lt2p, and to test SBCL and other stuff. it's usually idle 16:36:37 :-O 16:36:42 fe[nl]ix: and as IRC bouncer 16:36:44 very important 16:37:56 let's see, what I would put there... IRC shell, personal webpage, sollet.pl, probably one or two (if not all) of websites of my high school, and probably several other things... 16:38:18 Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-20-66.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:38:24 asarch [~asarch@187.132.83.138] has joined #lisp 16:39:24 mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 16:39:29 -!- adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-55-157.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:40:17 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7550a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:15 -!- luis [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:41:50 CrEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:42:55 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:43:30 -!- cmeow [cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:43:38 myu2 [~myu2@w179122.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 16:45:27 -!- iPac [~bubble@p54AA4E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:46:34 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:50 -!- nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:50 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:03 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:48:19 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 16:49:05 -!- HET4 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:49:28 HET2 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:50:10 iPac [~bubble@p54AA6BD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:28 adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-55-157.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:50:29 Good evening, I have started a new blog about learning Lisp/CL, any comments/sugestions/criticism is welcome. If you'll have time, check it out: http://udzinari.blogspot.com 16:51:46 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-50-10.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:55:10 udzinari: drop the unnecessary biographic summaries of Graham and Norvig. just distracts people. 16:56:13 fusss: ok 16:56:53 great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, and poor minds discuss people ;-) 16:57:02 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-50-10.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: HG`] 16:57:19 fusss: nice quote there :) 16:57:34 If you are relaying a history, then it is often about people 16:57:37 *Xach* gets the cold search index performance he wanted 16:57:47 not mine, and probably paraphrasing badly 17:01:52 fusss: I edited them out, take a look if you want :) 17:02:18 s/edited them out/changed them/ 17:02:32 udzinari: if you have time, i can give you a nice table of contents to work with ;-) 17:03:51 -!- ignas [~ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:04:27 fusss pasted "nibble on this" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99413 17:04:51 udzinari: take a look at that and do whichever chapter you want :-) 17:05:28 fusss: Thanks, I am not an experienced blogger nor an experienced Lisper.. I think my time is the most valuable resource I can contribute at this point :) 17:05:31 fusss: poor minds gossip? ;P 17:06:30 Stattrav [~Stattrav@110.224.21.176] has joined #lisp 17:07:05 udzinari: it looks better now :-) thank you 17:07:15 -!- fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:07:23 fusss: thank *you* 17:08:33 fusss: writing a book? :D 17:08:44 i am not, you are though 17:09:02 i wrote the TOC, making templates and writing a few chapeter 17:09:05 chapters 17:09:25 than i will be sending each section about a library to the library author(s) 17:09:58 sort of centralize doc repo with nice prose and enough examples 17:10:22 most of the uses are shown in the unit tests anyway 17:10:24 slyrus_ [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:06 i will then slap my name on it after the removing their, and throw the sucker on lulu 17:11:43 heh 17:12:07 *fusss* notices the masses of ruby programmer who "can't use IRC because linode is down" http://search.twitter.com/search?q=linode :-) 17:12:35 http://twitter.com/sendmehome/statuses/14239167266 17:13:03 -!- HET2 [~diman@w220.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13:15 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-230-119.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:15:48 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #lisp 17:19:19 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has joined #lisp 17:20:10 aw [~aw@p54B3B8F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:05 heh 17:21:25 fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has joined #lisp 17:21:46 milanj [~milanj_@93.86.113.3] has joined #lisp 17:22:34 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-40.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:26 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0020-53-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:25:38 -!- nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@78-238.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26:10 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-25-82-254-140-250.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:27:04 nixeagle [~user@Wikimedia/Nixeagle] has joined #lisp 17:27:38 -!- NNshag [user@lns-bzn-44-82-249-233-238.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27:38 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:08 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 17:29:15 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-230-119.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:32:17 parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 17:32:22 udzinari: i'd suggest the "lisp cookbook" instead of "on lisp". i've read them both late after learning CL, and i liked cookbook better because it talks about much more stuff, while on lisp seems macro-biased (and by experience, so many macros normally mean trouble) 17:33:11 scratch that! s/lisp cookbook/practical common lisp/ 17:34:34 (hey, although i'm now reading the cookbook and the topics seems interesting too) 17:35:12 well, at least let me say that "on lisp" is not so great material IMNSHO 17:36:39 -!- aw [~aw@p54B3B8F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:38:36 lisp cookbook as in http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/ ? 17:39:54 kenjin2201 [~kenjin@219.241.85.107] has joined #lisp 17:39:58 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@110.224.21.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:41:14 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:38 Between defun and defmethod, are there any cases where defun can do better than defmethod? 17:41:59 Stattrav [~Stattrav@110.224.21.176] has joined #lisp 17:42:07 kenjin2201: do what better? 17:42:08 On Lisp, is IMHO a good read *when* you decide to go further into macro writing. 17:42:08 luis [~luis@nhop.r42.eu] has joined #lisp 17:42:34 kenjin2201: I usually find myself bemoaning the fact that more functions aren't generic 17:42:59 cmeow [cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org] has joined #lisp 17:43:00 kenjin2201: less levels of indirection, might be fast 17:43:06 -!- somecodehere [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:25 Is it just a matter of taste to use defun instead of defmethod? or is defun more efficient in some cases? 17:44:16 kenjin2201: They are for two very different purposes. 17:44:36 i'd say defun vs. defgeneric, not defmethod 17:44:40 kenjin2201: defmethod is for implementing part (possibly a small part) of a generic function for a given set of arguments. 17:44:45 But it seems like defmethod can do anything defun can do and more 17:44:56 kenjin2201: defun defines normal, traditional functions. 17:45:03 so can LAMBDA 17:45:40 HG` [~HG@xdslei044.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 17:46:14 kenjin2201: defmethod defines a specialized variant of generic function 17:46:32 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-30.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:46:56 generic functions is a function that might apply to multiple different types and as such has a mechanism to dispatch on them (in this case, on classes, not on types, unfortunately) 17:47:45 Can it perfectly replace "defun" then? 17:48:19 kenjin2201, are you acquainted with the term 'dispatching'? 17:48:20 not on types? 17:48:32 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-230-119.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:48:36 well, the set of capabilities of generic functions is greater than the set of capabilities of functions defined with defun ... 17:48:39 like polymophism? 17:49:10 kenjin2201, ok, what's polymorphism for you? 17:49:42 One name for different thing 17:50:54 postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-255-184.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 17:51:22 kenjin2201, IOW, all methods are functions. some functions aren't methods. 17:51:57 Then there's no need of functions. Methods are enough right? 17:52:24 methods belong to a generic function.. 17:52:44 they are not functions 17:53:32 kenjin2201: well, generic functions pay extra cpu time for their benefits 17:53:58 while methods could cover all your needed functionality, using them exclusively would be like using classes exclusively when a struct might suffice, or other similar analogies... also, the dispatching can cost you CPU cycles 17:53:59 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7550a5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:50 ....but don't optimize too early :) 17:54:53 Hmm... they seem somewhat like the relation between setq and setf 17:54:57 if you want to see a Lisp that takes generic functions much further than CL, check out GOO 17:55:15 adeht, that was meant in a more general sense, not defgeneric vs defmethod 17:55:29 adeht: in what way "much farther" ? 17:55:58 It's a little confusing... 17:56:37 kenjin2201: it's nice to have the lower level construct, and you don't always want to express that something could be polymorphic 17:56:39 adeht, i.e total functions vs partial 17:57:08 Yeah most of the time I don't need that fancy stuff 17:57:09 right 17:57:31 it depends on what you want to express. :) 17:57:34 -!- super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:58:00 plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-71-119.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 17:58:28 fe[nl]ix: I don't mean the concept of generic functions, but their use in the language 18:01:04 Thank you for all the help. I think I need more experience to get a grip on it. 18:02:52 -!- hohoho [~hohoho@ntkngw227224.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:13 -!- joga [joga@rikki.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:45 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03:52 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@110.224.21.176] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:29 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.83.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04:32 Zhivago [~zhivago@li49-59.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:04:47 tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:15 @minion CLOS? 18:05:18 -!- postamar [~postamar@x-132-204-255-184.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has left #lisp 18:05:22 minion, CLOS? 18:05:23 CLOS: The Common Lisp Object System is based on generic functions, multiple inheritance, and declarative method combination. http://www.cliki.net/CLOS 18:05:38 kenjin2201, ^^^ 18:06:36 -!- moeffju is now known as moeffju[ZzZz] 18:06:41 -!- moeffju[ZzZz] is now known as moeffju[Away] 18:07:33 ejs [~eugen@92.49.255.107] has joined #lisp 18:07:52 minst. 18:07:55 oops, wrong chan. 18:08:24 Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 18:08:24 redline6561 [~redline@gate-30.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:10:24 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-78-230-119.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:11:59 tao [tao@anapnea.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:09 hohoho 18:12:11 -!- tao [tao@anapnea.net] has left #lisp 18:12:24 -!- nus [~nus@unaffiliated/nus] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:03 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@89-178-240-30.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 18:14:20 gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.78.230.119] has joined #lisp 18:14:28 Joreji [~thomas@89-039.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:18:43 -!- eugu [~Miranda@212.1.246.237] has quit [Quit: eugu] 18:18:50 -!- egoz [~Egoz@202.70.51.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:19:19 setq vs setf is not like defun vs defmethod at all 18:19:44 setf of a symbol will expand to setq, and setq of a macro symbol is the same as setf 18:20:12 -!- Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-20-66.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:20:53 defmethod's require that their signatures match (see clhs for details), and they create a generic function to dispatch by type 18:21:07 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:21:08 defmethod is not more general than defun, it's different 18:21:59 you can eg. replace a function's lambda-list with defun 18:22:12 with defmethod, you must remove the current generic function completely to do that 18:22:43 stuhacking [~stuhackin@86.131.129.165] has joined #lisp 18:22:56 Bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE0015e9d40d4f-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 18:23:35 defmethods are as fast as defuns, but the dispatching overhead of the generic function must be taken into account 18:23:46 -!- redline6561 [~redline@gate-30.spsu.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:23:50 pmd: thanks for suggestion, I have PCL recommended in the previous post. I guess it is still the doorway into Lisp for most of beginners, it defenetly was for me. 18:23:58 minion: memo for Fare: This might be a weird question, but why XCVB Intern has to supply a code sample in Python or Java? 18:23:58 Remembered. I'll tell Fare when he/she/it next speaks. 18:25:07 although, the dispatch made by generic functions is probably optimized, much more than doing your own dispatching inside a defun (of course, it depends on lots of stuff, and i didn't even begin to talk about call-next-method, method qualifiers like :around, etc) 18:25:42 daniel [~daniel@p5082F685.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:17 there's much that can be done to optimize a generic function, true 18:26:30 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:26:48 (though I'd really like to see how far one can go with transforming code to Static CLOS. Especially if you use MOP) 18:27:21 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:27:29 udzinari: i hope you become a more experienced lisp programmer and keep up the motivation ;) 18:27:31 -!- daniel__1 [~daniel@p5082BCD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:29:51 alama [~alama@a95-95-141-74.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 18:30:59 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@wifi-wpa.agh.edu.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:31:08 p_l: i've seen allegro compact lists of specializers into single objects, i don't know if i was day-dreaming ( http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/current/doc/operators/cg/c/cell-click.htm ) 18:31:41 ost [~user@217.66.22.1] has joined #lisp 18:31:52 hello 18:32:43 i gave this example because it's a method with 14 specializable arguments 18:33:51 pmd: well, static clos dealt away with class precedence lists for example, trying to make the dispatch times as close to defun as possible 18:34:15 cause if you remove the possibility of redefinition, you can get away with a lot, can't you? 18:34:45 joga [joga@rikki.fi] has joined #lisp 18:35:51 yes, but you can as well just redefine the generic function each time you add/remove a method, which of course not good for some uses 18:36:09 pmd: I like how the last parameter is optional :) 18:36:10 redefinition is, to me, the heart of (common) lisp 18:36:16 adeht: lol! 18:37:27 p_l: please let us continue this conversation tomorrow, i must go now 18:37:47 toxygen [toxygen@stip-static-98.213-81-186.telecom.sk] has joined #lisp 18:37:49 or i'll just read the log in the meantime 18:38:00 gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 18:38:25 hi, i'm looking for some reference material which explain how to implement pow (expt/exp), log, and other math functions in lisp 18:38:33 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 18:38:44 toxygen: they already exist in common lisp, no? 18:38:47 i'm interested mostlly in scheme 18:38:54 alama: yeah, but i want to see how it is made 18:38:57 #scheme is thataway ---> 18:39:01 :D 18:39:06 pmd: just a quick note - Static CLOS was designed with *dumped* executables in mind 18:39:18 ok, sorry =] i was looking for general implementation including clisp 18:39:19 Fare: hi 18:39:20 so i can compare 18:39:31 i suppose one could look at the implementation in a disribution whose source is viewable, such as sbcl 18:39:33 p_l, hi 18:39:33 Fare, memo from p_l: This might be a weird question, but why XCVB Intern has to supply a code sample in Python or Java? 18:39:35 toxygen: fire up slime, M-. on expt 18:39:37 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:40:12 Fare: do you have any interest in adding boston lisp meeting announcements directly to the lisp event google calendar? if not, i will continue to make sure they are added. 18:40:13 -!- kenjin2201 [~kenjin@219.241.85.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:40:14 -!- Joreji [~thomas@89-039.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:27 minion, because there's bad communication between us and HR. And there's no XCVB intern this year. 18:40:27 does that reason seem to explain anything else? 18:40:36 Xach: meh. 18:40:47 µ 18:40:50 lol @ minion's response 18:40:53 DAMMIT, the speaker still didn't send a confirmation!!!! 18:41:46 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@h081217133138.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:42:38 Xach: what is the lisp event calendar you mentioned? 18:42:44 (i can't seem to find it on google) 18:43:05 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 18:43:14 alama: http://planet.lisp.org/meetings/ 18:43:22 thanks 18:45:11 NNshag [user@lns-bzn-53-82-65-45-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:11 -!- Nshag [user@lns-bzn-25-82-254-140-250.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:47:10 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:48:00 enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.14] has joined #lisp 18:48:25 Joreji [~thomas@89-039.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:48:51 -!- Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Nuff for today] 18:48:59 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:42 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:05 -!- Guest66501 [~iamcms2@pool-72-90-115-146.ptldor.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:54:16 -!- stuhacking [~stuhackin@86.131.129.165] has quit [Quit: stuhacking] 18:55:46 -!- MetalDust [~metaldust@75-32-203-61.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 18:55:52 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:55:52 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:05 LinkFly [~linkfly@94.158.187.24] has joined #lisp 18:58:12 Zephyrus [~emanuele@unaffiliated/zephyrus] has joined #lisp 19:00:00 Davidbrcz [david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 19:00:45 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:01:26 -!- joga [joga@rikki.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:19 joga [joga@rikki.fi] has joined #lisp 19:03:06 Trystam [~Tristam@cpe-67-242-195-25.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:03:48 wow, mcclim takes multiple inheritance to a whole other level 19:04:24 -!- Tristam [~Tristam@cpe-67-242-195-25.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:04:37 -!- quotemstr [~quotemstr@cpe-67-247-228-249.buffalo.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 19:05:58 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:08:27 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93.86.113.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:10:27 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:14 Soulman1 [~knute@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 19:13:28 milanj [~milanj_@109.93.92.47] has joined #lisp 19:13:36 bytecolor: say more? 19:13:47 -!- fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:16:19 peterbb [~peterbb@ves1-1x-dhcp356.uio.no] has joined #lisp 19:17:23 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:57 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 19:19:58 here's one with 12 super classes, 7 are mixin's though 19:20:43 wow 19:20:46 timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:21:17 I just don't recall seeing anything close that that in C++ or Python 19:21:36 two or three, maybe four 19:22:19 I've definitely never _written_ anything with 12 supers ;) 19:22:40 much to learn 19:22:42 multiple dispatch and method combinations make multiple inheritance more useful than in message passing class based systems 19:23:16 drewc: nod, the multiple dispatch thing is new as well 19:23:28 but very cool from what I've seen so far 19:23:39 just wait to you get to metaclasses and the MOP :) 19:23:49 so/to/'till 19:23:52 s/so/s 19:23:55 drewc: how does multiple dispatch help that much? 19:23:55 :/ 19:24:25 -!- LinkFly [~linkfly@94.158.187.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:14 sykopomp|jeejah: by allowing a greater breadth of functional specialization of course... it's easier to customize functions by adding mixins to their argument's classes if those arguments take part in method dispatch, non? 19:26:31 oui 19:27:37 add that to method combination, and you've got an explosion of what AOP might term 'cut points', or places to inject behavior 19:27:58 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-30-161.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:15 this can make tracking down where things are happening a little more difficult, but the gains are worth it and slime takes care of the rest. 19:29:00 drewc: AOP? 19:29:19 minion: AOP? 19:29:19 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``AOP''. 19:29:22 hrm 19:29:33 minion: AspectL? 19:29:34 AspectL: This page exists to make AspectL asdf-installable. http://www.cliki.net/AspectL 19:29:46 gah 19:29:56 Guthur: Aspect-Oriented programming 19:30:23 how's it compare to contextop? 19:30:28 aka "the thing that was all the rage in Java but merited just 'meh' in CL" 19:30:43 haha 19:30:44 sykopomp|jeejah: ContextL is much more than AOP 19:30:44 sykopomp|jeejah: AOP is inferior, imo. 19:30:47 stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:31:10 AspectL afaik reached plateau rather fast when it was noticed that there was little work to be done 19:31:10 right, I've heard this. nit sure what the difference is 19:32:08 Traveler8 [~traveler@c-0f5fe353.732-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:32:28 sykopomp|jeejah: AOP is more about separating certain functionality, so greater flexibility of CLOS makes it a moot point 19:32:33 -!- sid3k` is now known as sid3k 19:33:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@89-039.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:33:26 when i asked gregor about AOP and the relation to CLOS, he basically said something along the lines of "CLOS is for smart guys like you", and he didn't mean it as a compliment to me. 19:33:29 MOP is directly listed on Wikipedia as antecedent of AOP :) 19:34:20 drewc: kiczales? 19:34:27 hah 19:34:43 sykopomp|jeejah: ya. 19:34:49 what does aspectL offer over normal CLOS things? 19:35:12 fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has joined #lisp 19:35:15 sugarshark [~ole@p4FDA940D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:35:31 rsynnott: it has the potential to bring java drones 1/3 of the way to CLOS. 19:35:42 oh, aspectL 19:35:46 ye[ 19:35:47 *drewc* is reading ahead 19:36:04 -!- stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: stuhacking] 19:36:19 it formalizes a few things that are ad-hoc patterns in CLOS software, but really nothing terribly useful. 19:36:58 drewc: what patterns? 19:38:15 sykopomp|jeejah: http://bc.tech.coop/blog/060709.html has a link to the audio from that chat with kickzales, though it's not the best quality of recording, and i'm not sure the 'smart guys like you' comment was recorded... i seem to recall the conversation heated up a little more off-the-record on on-the-beer :) 19:39:04 alama_ [~alama@a95-95-141-74.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 19:39:04 -!- Traveler8 [~traveler@c-0f5fe353.732-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Java user signed off] 19:39:17 -!- fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:39:57 sykopomp|jeejah: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/aspectl-overview.html 19:40:17 usually, those involving dynamic (special) variables 19:40:57 Edward__ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-68-202.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:41:50 oh, and thing that people seem to want but don't actually need, like adding and removing slots on the fly. 19:42:27 Hmm, looks a bit 'CLOS with exciting new annoying names made up by people who write large Java books', to be honest 19:43:00 well, most of those tools in there that have moved into contextl i find extremely useful 19:43:24 -!- alama [~alama@a95-95-141-74.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:43:24 -!- alama_ is now known as alama 19:44:54 Morena_h0t [Morena_h0t@2002:425a:4b72::425a:4b72] has joined #lisp 19:46:10 Hello! Exchange my sexy photos to spend some time relaxing ... download them and look at them but then contact me! :) Http://www.wikiupload.com/1yXQY3qd 19:46:16 really, the only thing work taking from AspectL is that you can see why it became contextl.... and if you never take anything from contextl itself, DYNAMIC-WIND and islisp-like dynamic variables are brilliant :) 19:46:23 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o drewc 19:46:31 -!- Morena_h0t [Morena_h0t@2002:425a:4b72::425a:4b72] has left #lisp 19:50:26 spammers using ipv6 now?! 19:52:38 looks kinda spoofed like, but what do i know about IPV6? 19:54:02 looks like a valid address, imho 19:54:06 hello, i am looking/googling for the easiest method to use common-lisp to create (dynamic/ajax) web-pages. till now i found cl-ajax and ht-ajax. are there basic libs to generate buttons/checkboxes/input-boxes/tables? 19:54:36 fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has joined #lisp 19:54:44 trebor_dki: I'd recommend using something like Cappuccino or ExtJS if you want a complete UI library, and just write the backend in CL 19:54:53 minion: tell trebor_dki about yaclml 19:54:54 trebor_dki: direct your attention towards yaclml: Yet Another Common Lisp Markup Language is a collection common lisp library for generating XML/HTML from lisp code or templates. http://www.cliki.net/yaclml 19:55:14 minion: tell trebor_dki about parenscript 19:55:15 trebor_dki: look at parenscript: Parenscript is a translator from an extended subset of Common Lisp to JavaScript. http://www.cliki.net/parenscript 19:55:23 minion: tell trebor_dki about UCW 19:55:24 trebor_dki: please see UCW: UnCommon Web is a Common Lisp web application development framework. http://www.cliki.net/UCW 19:55:27 but yaclml & parenscript are brilliant for generating stuff :) 19:55:33 minion: tell trebor_dki about weblocks 19:55:34 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``weblocks''. 19:55:44 hah 19:55:47 good, cause i didn't want to recommend it anyway 19:55:55 lol 19:55:57 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-40.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55:58 :) 19:56:07 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-128-185.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:19 redline6561 [~redline@adsl-190-191-78.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:56:23 ok. this was surprisingly fast 19:56:38 haha 19:56:48 Well, *I* like weblocks. :) 19:56:52 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.178.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:56:54 (highlighted on it, in fact) 19:57:13 thanks p_l, drewc -> /me reading 19:57:47 rlpowell: at one point in my life i liked Perl, so i don't hold it against you :P 19:58:36 stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:59:16 -!- fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:01:11 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:02:50 drewc: so when can we see FTW!? (not that I have much time to, but still interested) 20:04:02 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:04:36 minion: ftw? 20:04:36 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``ftw''. 20:10:19 trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #lisp 20:12:20 marioxcc [~user@201.132.134.199] has joined #lisp 20:13:55 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-2-149-118.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14:51 aack [~user@a83-163-241-74.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 20:19:43 fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has joined #lisp 20:20:21 -!- stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: stuhacking] 20:20:58 gospch [~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch] has joined #lisp 20:23:49 felideon: i've been hoping to pop a release out for months now, but the real world keeps getting in the way. 20:24:11 -!- fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:24:55 basically, without documentation, it's not much use, and nobody is paying me to write docs, while i am getting paid to produce code using FTW... so most of my FTW time is spent improving it and not documenting the improvements 20:26:14 (and right now i don't actually have any free time to spare, because it's boat-building season, so i either have to work on my boat or make money to pay the people working on my boat :)) 20:26:31 Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 20:26:33 Seriously? 20:26:41 How big is you boat going to be 20:26:43 so, the honest answer is 'some time after the world cup' 20:26:46 stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:27:07 you/your 20:27:10 Guthur: the hull is 45'11 LOD, 50' to the end of the bow sprit. 20:27:11 drewc: gotcha :) 20:27:50 That's a nice size boat. How long until launch? 20:28:29 Guthur: looking at spring 2012 20:28:35 you're not going to fit two of every animal species on that. 20:29:03 Amadiro [~whoppix@ti0021a380-dhcp1747.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 20:29:14 hefner: it's just a starter ark.. you got to work your way up to these things. 20:29:28 drewc: I hope you have many a good day sailing 20:29:39 Guthur: cheers :) 20:31:53 -!- gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 20:32:46 -!- HG` [~HG@xdslei044.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:36:59 -!- stuhacking [~stuhackin@host86-131-129-165.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: stuhacking] 20:38:00 fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has joined #lisp 20:39:40 -!- acieroid` is now known as acieroid 20:41:30 -!- bgs000 is now known as bgs100 20:41:31 killerboy [~mateusz@smrw-91-193-87-5.smrw.lodz.pl] has joined #lisp 20:42:06 -!- Davidbrcz [david@212-198-91-47.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:37 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Sounds like a really good list :) 22:03:16 Remembered. 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