00:01:00 -!- Paraselene_ [~Not@79-67-148-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:01:01 it seems funny that git wants you to have 3 repos when only 2 are required 00:01:03 Paraselene [~Not@79-67-148-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 00:01:11 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]] 00:01:14 if there some reason why pushing to a repo with a checkout in it can't just DTRT? 00:02:03 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:02:03 foom: it would suck if it clobbered your work, i guess. 00:02:13 amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 00:02:43 foom: If I create a tap/tun0 device via tunctl, does that one not have an inode but is purely in-kernel? 00:02:56 tcr: you're using udev, right? 00:03:09 Well, by DTRT, I guess I meant "do what pull does"; if you had local changes it can keep them. :) 00:03:35 -!- bizarrefish [~lee@host86-146-52-27.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:04:28 foom: Yes, I'm trying to understand how all this works. /dev/net/tun is the magic device used to initialize userspace <-> kernel communication. I guess opening that returns an unique fd. I want to know whether that fd is associated with an inode 00:04:38 tcr: oh wait, sorry, yeah. no inodes, it only makes net devices. 00:04:45 ifconfig -a will show it 00:04:54 yeah thanks 00:04:59 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@130.166.209.12] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 00:05:15 Sometimes I forget how this stuff works too. :) 00:05:27 bizarrefish [~lee@host86-146-52-27.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 00:06:51 I wonder how to get at the fd from another process 00:07:25 you're not supposed to :) 00:08:00 an fd should pretty much map to a lisp stream object... conceptually if not literally 00:08:27 but you can use /proc/pid/fd/... as a back door 00:08:45 Did you just join? 00:08:57 no, I've been idling for some number of days :P 00:09:05 -!- zorn [~jz@206-248-133-45.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:57 why am I talking on #lisp when there's a lispnyc meeting going on? 00:09:58 hmm 00:10:35 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 00:11:32 i do not know. 00:11:52 thanks for the info, Xach :P 00:12:20 but I suppose it's a good thing, considering the fact that I didn't have any pants on :P 00:12:34 now, to get dressed and get to the bar I mean meeting 00:13:18 ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has joined #lisp 00:17:20 -!- slyrus [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:18:09 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:18:27 mbohun [~mbohun@202.124.73.195] has joined #lisp 00:18:43 foom: the right thing is "not erasing your current work" i guess 00:19:34 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: sleep] 00:19:41 pulling merges, it can be very non trivial if the tree bissected as it happens on a distributed vcs 00:20:21 you could also just pull instead of pushing 00:20:51 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 00:21:04 with just two repos 00:21:25 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:22:23 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:31 also i guess pushing just writes files, executing is much more to ask from protocol and security 00:27:39 -!- sykopomp|jeejah` [~sykopomp@ma10736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:28:20 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@ma10736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:28:48 _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 00:37:23 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:13 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:24 amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 00:40:38 mae_tae [~7960fb0e@gateway/web/freenode/x-rprpjluoogofzdew] has joined #lisp 00:41:36 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:41:57 jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has joined #lisp 00:42:41 hello people 00:42:46 does can help me 00:42:58 -!- ravster [~user@CPE000c41a8878f-CM00195efb5296.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:44:00 mae_tae: What's up? 00:45:46 im just trying an idea on how to this im trying to sort a list like this [ [1,0], [2,0], [1,1], [2,1] ] output should like this [ [1,0], [1,1], [2,0], [2,1] ] 00:46:49 mae_tae: are you using lisp? 00:47:04 nope, prolog 00:47:18 mae_tae: Sorry, this channel is for Common Lisp, not Prolog. 00:47:24 sorry, if i enter this channel, im just wondering if somebody could help me with prolog 00:47:27 mae_tae: Asking for Prolog help in #lisp is pure genius! I wish I'd thought of it. 00:47:32 mae_tae: No. 00:48:28 i've been in prolog channel, but seems people there are always sleeping 00:49:02 mae_tae: I'm afraid that doesn't improve #lisp as a venue for Prolog discussion. 00:49:24 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 00:49:26 its alright, ahhh, i had nobody to rely on 00:50:41 mae_tae: How did you come to be using Prolog? 00:51:49 i had a project an advising system, and trying to use prolog to be integrated to other program language 00:52:00 to vb 00:53:45 if only lisp can be integrated to other prog language, i already shifted to lisp because prolog is very hard 00:53:56 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@188.146.145.249.nat.umts.dynamic.eranet.pl] has quit [Quit: :)] 01:05:32 ACL included a prolog implementation, didn't it? 01:05:41 paip certainly did 01:06:03 and ACL has one of the better FFIs out there, I think... at least when it comes to dealing with C++? 01:07:03 nus- [~nus@unaffiliated/nus] has joined #lisp 01:07:15 -!- Joreji [~thomas@86-084.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:07:19 -!- nus [~nus@unaffiliated/nus] has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:07:21 oh, that acl 01:07:23 -!- nus- is now known as nus 01:07:42 hello hello 01:08:48 I've coded a iteration function to taste lisp in javascript, with apolagies for my poor grammar, here is a fresh blog post about it http://sid3k.blogspot.com/2010/05/lispy-iteration-in-javascript.html 01:09:45 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:25 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:12:12 fusss [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:12:17 -!- joshuavera [~joshuaver@c-67-160-85-249.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: joshuavera] 01:12:47 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.216.184] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 01:13:05 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p54839A0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:13:26 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-144-13-120.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:14:38 amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 01:18:51 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-128-82.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:19:57 -!- seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:20:08 -!- jleija [~jleija@user-24-214-122-46.knology.net] has quit [Quit: good night everyone] 01:20:46 seangrove [~user@180.64.8.254] has joined #lisp 01:24:06 -!- fusss [~chatzilla@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431]] 01:25:32 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-128-82.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:30:38 -!- Danmaku [dmk@83.231.23.188] has quit [] 01:30:39 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-197-212.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:32:34 -!- cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has quit [] 01:32:46 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 01:33:15 -!- ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-10-197-212.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:33:47 -!- proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:38:10 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:40:55 -!- Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:42:04 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@ppp-70-251-76-111.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 01:47:21 Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:49:15 -!- Makoryu [~vt920@pool-71-174-191-10.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:50:35 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 01:50:56 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:51:41 skeledrew [~skeledrew@0063-25-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has joined #lisp 01:51:52 amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 01:52:15 Krystof [~csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 01:53:02 gugamilare [~kvirc@200-207-40-188.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 01:53:06 -!- curi [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:53:27 luis: here? 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Actually it's not a logical pathname, but a search-list. Should output translations be done then? 02:25:18 Remembered. 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At last. 02:51:40 -!- marioxcc [~user@200.92.86.236] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:32 -!- gonzojive [~red@171.66.48.197] has quit [Client Quit] 02:55:59 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-205-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:02 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-205-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:00:06 -!- Guthur [~michael@host86-132-121-145.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:00:54 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-98-14-140-77.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:02:20 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:03:18 amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 03:04:40 konr [~user@201.82.133.249] has joined #lisp 03:05:31 symbole [~chatzilla@ool-182ffe8f.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:09:39 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: 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freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 03:41:24 set (setq swank:*globally-redirect-io* t) into your .swank.lisp 03:42:29 -!- gugamilare [~kvirc@200-207-40-188.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3900, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-02-15 08:38:32 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:44:10 I had tried that before, it didn't do anything 03:44:22 in any case, it is nice having the threaded output in a separate window 03:44:31 just having a quick way to clear it would be handy 03:45:39 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:49:13 <_3b> C-c C-o ? 03:52:00 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 03:52:47 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:24 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:55:25 ah yes, thanks 03:55:45 it's really hard to find emacs keybindings via google or searching through the emacs config itself 03:55:57 dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:56:05 <_3b> C-h m or F1 m ? 03:56:28 <_3b> or C-h b or F1 b 03:56:59 that's useful 03:57:14 (of course, I wouldn't have known that "comint-delete-output" equalled "clear the buffer") 03:57:36 shofetim [~user@97-121-226-32.blng.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:57:39 <_3b> right, but if it sounds close, you can click on it to see what it does :) 03:58:49 cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has joined #lisp 03:59:31 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-58-35.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:11 legumbre [~leo@r190-135-58-35.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 04:01:16 -!- hadronzoo [~hadronzoo@64.134.147.37] has quit [Quit: hadronzoo] 04:03:59 -!- gospch [~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:07 gospch [~gospch@unaffiliated/gospch] has joined #lisp 04:08:02 -!- ziggurat 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I've looked at babel, but it can't do it out of the box 06:15:58 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-yswviqqwlqfjiebs] has joined #lisp 06:18:24 -!- xan_ [~xan@87.223.138.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:18:51 ace4016 [~jmarcelin@adsl-156-147-36.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 06:22:30 chrnybo [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 06:25:24 abeaumont [~abeaumont@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 06:26:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 06:26:24 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 06:26:46 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-163-5.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:26:52 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 06:28:55 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:29:21 dcibiel [~dcibiel@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:29:21 gnotus: Ideally you'd find the decomposition of the character into the equivalent combining character sequence and filter the modifiers out of that. 06:30:01 gnotus: That would work in any language to get the base character, but it would probably not be very useful in Thai, etc. 06:30:19 Even less so in Korean. 06:31:23 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:32:03 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:32:17 in C I have the following function to be mapped in CIFFI, void elm_entry_cursor_begin_set(Evas_Object *obj), which is the lispy way to do it ? 06:32:38 fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 06:33:02 after defcfun, (defun (setf entry-cursor-begin) (begin-p obj) ...) ? 06:33:39 or just a defcfun as entry-cursor-begin-set ? 06:34:57 Zhivago: I see, fortunately my problem domain is a lot simpler than that, I only need 9 such translations so I did it. It would be nice to have a proper solutino tho 06:37:36 amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 06:38:46 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:39:07 good morning 06:42:09 hello mvilleneuve 06:42:22 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:43:38 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@pub-nat.haaga-helia.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44:24 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:44:24 SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.160.41.129] has joined #lisp 06:44:35 *chrnybo* installs clbuild, wonders whether it plays nice with Lispworks 06:44:38 helllo mvilleneuve 06:45:42 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 06:45:50 Zhivago, please could you tell me how would you expect the cursor begin function to be in CL ? 06:45:51 chrnybo: i don't think it can fetch Lispworks from git and build it, but otherwise it should work 06:46:03 ar anybody else :) 06:46:57 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:48:37 stassats`: Already got LW, thanks. I am installing clbuild as I want to give weblocks another go. 06:49:51 lhz [~shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 06:50:24 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 06:51:12 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-109-212.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:52:59 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:53:21 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@HSI-KBW-095-208-108-231.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:53:49 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 07:00:06 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 07:02:05 freiksenet [~freiksene@pub-nat.haaga-helia.fi] has joined #lisp 07:02:26 ASau` [~user@77.246.230.105] has joined #lisp 07:02:28 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@222-154-179-172.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 07:04:48 anybody knows the name of the australian guy from ELS? Mike what? 07:05:35 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-yswviqqwlqfjiebs] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:05:37 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:05:42 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.113.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:07:40 lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 07:07:55 I only know the australian guy called Luke 07:08:08 -!- lexa_ [~lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 07:08:16 ah and fuss :-) 07:08:45 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:10:27 chrnybo: I used LispWorks personal on Linux with libraries loaded through ASDF2 hand-configured for clbuild's systems/ directory 07:10:33 Soulman [~knute@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 07:10:36 chrnybo: works fine 07:10:49 (though I can't bet on the actual libs) 07:11:42 amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 07:11:51 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 07:15:43 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:15:44 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:18:33 -!- Appl6 [~steven@c-98-230-53-146.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:18:50 Appl6 [~steven@c-98-230-53-146.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:21:31 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21:38 spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has joined #lisp 07:22:17 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 07:22:31 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:27 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-lwhlsyaawnqgeupc] has joined #lisp 07:28:47 ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.66.166] has joined #lisp 07:30:45 -!- pnq [~gaiug@AC820273.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:30:47 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:30:58 Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 07:31:29 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:31:32 plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-121-223.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:34:52 p_l: clbuild did not seem to know that hunchentoot depended on trivial-backtrace. 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can i do that ? 12:43:53 gugamilare [~kvirc@200-207-40-188.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 12:43:58 adema: you need to use slime's stepping feature. but in my experience of lisp debugging you don't really need stepping... 12:44:26 palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has joined #lisp 12:44:27 print, trace, and insert calls to (break) 12:44:41 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has quit [Client Quit] 12:44:46 i have emacs 12:45:03 superb 12:45:16 now get a girlfriend :) 12:45:19 adema: I'm not an sbcl user, but I know cmucl can single-step. I almost never use it though. 12:45:27 i have an error and i can't find where it come from 12:45:27 [14:47] adema: you need to use slime's stepping feature. but in my experience of lisp debugging you don't really need stepping... 12:45:29 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@pub-nat.haaga-helia.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:30 sorry :s 12:45:49 debugger invoked on a SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR in thread #: 12:45:49 Argument Y is not a NUMBER: (4 3 17) 12:46:06 -!- aw [~aw@141.76.6.216] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 12:46:21 If you insert (break), the debugger repl will have a single-step operation. At least cmucl's debugger does. 12:46:22 adema: "back" will give you the backtrace there, but i'd rather invest time installing slime 12:51:05 kpreid [~kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 12:52:46 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 12:53:00 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 12:53:11 ok 12:53:12 thx 12:53:49 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:54:11 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:54:40 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:55:09 adema: But if you don't want to wait, this might work. (trace :break t). You'll be dumped to the debugger. Type help, to get help and you'll see a STEP command. Perhaps that will let you step through. 12:55:30 ok thx :))) 12:56:28 -!- moeffju is now known as moeffju[Away] 12:57:24 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 12:58:20 -!- blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:31 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-89-216-188-154.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:58:45 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 12:58:48 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-dehfmzdlqqkmxoqg] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:59:21 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:59:33 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-iblqjexsbzfbwdxn] has joined #lisp 13:01:26 -!- smithzv [~smithzv@c-24-9-11-34.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:05:32 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 13:05:53 kpreid [~kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:37 pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has joined #lisp 13:11:12 iPac [~bubble@p54AA5523.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:11:21 package "MOP" not found 13:11:31 what is MOP and why am I missing it? 13:11:50 minion: tell wakeup^ about MOP 13:11:51 wakeup^: direct your attention towards MOP: Meta Object Protocol(MOP) is a protocol for describing CLOS itself as an extensible CLOS program. http://www.cliki.net/MOP 13:11:54 (im trying to asdf-install bordeaux-threads 13:12:44 bordeaux-threads uses the MOP? That seems a little ridiculous. 13:13:01 I don't remember it requiring that 13:13:02 I am wondering too 13:13:16 because last time I did the same thing I didnt have this error 13:13:50 speaking of MOP, is there a way to find all the methods of a generic function ? 13:14:33 i'm writing an (undef-generic ...) 13:14:35 yes. 13:14:41 great =) 13:15:54 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:16:14 billitch: fmakunbound? 13:17:08 stassats: does that work on generic functions and its methods ? 13:17:28 fmakunbound works on functions, and generic functions are functions 13:17:32 rrice [~rrice@76.211.6.129] has joined #lisp 13:17:33 clhs generic-function 13:17:33 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_generi.htm 13:17:43 clhs fmakunbound 13:17:43 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_fmakun.htm 13:18:03 ok but what about methods ? my intent is to redefine the generic and the methods afterward 13:18:32 methods are properties of generic functions 13:18:36 methods are part of generic function; if generic function is gone, so are the methods 13:18:51 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 13:19:31 freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 13:19:53 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-105-124.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:19:54 blandest [~user@85.204.33.242] has joined #lisp 13:19:59 oh that's the kind of insight i was looking for 13:20:02 thanks 13:20:27 WOG [~OsamaBinW@24-177-10-101.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 13:22:17 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:24:10 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@c3po.streamtech.nl] has joined #lisp 13:25:17 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 13:25:30 slyrus [~slyrus@adsl-75-36-214-244.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:05 minion: memo for Fare: I think I've reconsidered where cmucl's modules: path should go. I think it should not be first but last. This way, users can override them if they choose to do so. 13:29:05 Remembered. 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asarch [~asarch@187.132.249.179] has joined #lisp 13:58:56 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483DF88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:59:06 _danb_ [~user@124-168-128-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 14:02:18 aw [~aw@141.76.6.216] has joined #lisp 14:05:38 sry for the rtfm question but: how do I simply change hunchentoots default page to a simple 404 one? 14:05:54 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:06:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:07:37 Yuuhi [benni@p5483DF88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:08:05 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:01 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 14:17:06 Good afternoon! 14:17:17 wakeup^: Change the default handler 14:17:30 or dispatch function maybe 14:17:59 Come to think of it I think the page is actually just in the dispatcher no handler per-se 14:18:06 I figured I'd just bind another function to *default-handler* but I dont know what the requirements for this function are 14:18:25 Not many, the manual for this situation is the code 14:18:41 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096725400.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:18:46 heyall. 14:18:48 I want it to peint a string, nothing more^^ 14:18:48 Have a look, its actually quite well documented with comments 14:19:04 What's a good and lispy way of chaining if statements without nesting? 14:19:10 -!- tychoish [~tychoish@foucault.cyborginstitute.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:19:20 clhs: cond 14:19:20 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_cond.htm 14:19:35 shaftoe ^, maybe 14:19:53 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.207.173] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:29 nunb [~nundan@59.178.213.150] has joined #lisp 14:20:42 I see. indeed. cond being short-circuiting is exactly what I need. thanks 14:20:59 no problem 14:21:04 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the clhs doesn't say what happens when n is 0. 16:30:23 nyef: But yes, I see what you mean. 16:30:42 I'm not saying that SBCL isn't wrong here, though. 16:30:52 Just that the justification for it being wrong is weaker. 16:31:03 Hmm, with the last zero conses omitted ... 16:31:10 nyef: Also the wording "the cons n+1 from the end of the list" is not clear. 16:31:34 beach: True. That is less than excellent wording, and depends on what one means by "the end of the list". 16:31:46 Indeed. 16:31:50 I think the error was in not excluding 0 from n. 16:32:56 So anyway, SICL is a great way to force oneself to read every phrase of the CLHS. 16:33:06 grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has joined #lisp 16:33:37 -!- somecodehere` [~ingvar@16.198.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:47 spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.70.63] has joined #lisp 16:34:08 Yeah, I think that's true of any implementation project that wishes to attain some level of compliance. 16:34:18 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:34:26 Sounds right. 16:34:35 It depends on how much you've inherited and take for granted. 16:35:23 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:36:27 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755bc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:56 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 16:37:57 beach: "force oneself to read every phrase of the CLHS" - I didn't know you were a masochist. 16:37:58 Fare, memo from rtoym: You mentioned something about not doing any output translations for #p"modules:" because it's a logical pathname. Actually it's not a logical pathname, but a search-list. Should output translations be done then? 16:37:58 Fare, memo from rtoym: I think I've reconsidered where cmucl's modules: path should go. I think it should not be first but last. This way, users can override them if they choose to do so. 16:38:02 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@122.167.70.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39:08 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-sbingikcxooropla] has joined #lisp 16:39:44 beach: what's SICL? 16:41:49 psilord: a (growing) library of code implementing CL 16:42:15 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-17-205-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:43:59 beach: once you've finished with managing the CS course you'll have plenty of time on your hands, I suppose :) 16:47:13 -!- iPac2 [~bubble@p54AA5523.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:47:30 p_l: interesting. Where do I find it? 16:47:34 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has quit [Quit: -arividerchi] 16:47:41 Fare: No? I have had this problem all my life. I have to put my self in situations of guilt in order to get anything done. It's painful, but that seems to be the only thing that works. 16:47:52 psilord: ask beach, I don't remember the link to the git repo 16:48:10 segmond [~seg@adsl-99-103-115-52.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:15 -!- udzinari [~user@209.158.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49:38 psilord: There is a cl.net project now, but the web page is skimpy: http://common-lisp.net/project/sicl and you can clone the git repository of course: git clone git://common-lisp.net/projects/sicl/SICL.git 16:49:45 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:49:57 beach: thanks! 16:50:17 fe[nl]ix: That's what I always tell myself, which is why I can still stand this job. 16:51:37 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@rrcs-208-125-58-214.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 16:51:47 psilord: The idea is to give implementors "bricks" that they can use to get a full CL implementation without having to care about things that could be implemented using other parts of the standard, which gives them more time to experiment with essentials such as GC strategies, calling conventions, etc. 16:52:46 there's a guy who wrote a VM kit using LLVM and a GC I can't remember right now 16:52:53 beach: I'm highly interested. I was just about to implement a CL compiler. :) 16:53:01 powerje [~powerje@dhcp-128-146-43-156.osuwireless.ohio-state.edu] has joined #lisp 16:53:14 makes it easier to implement a new runtime 16:53:24 psilord: Why? 16:54:32 -!- segmond [~seg@adsl-99-103-115-52.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #lisp 16:54:48 kpreid [~kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:49 Zhivago: I have designs for a lisp editor which is extraordinarily aware of the source code. The kinds of annotations I need about the source simply don't exist in modern CL implementations. 16:54:57 segmond [~seg@adsl-99-103-115-52.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:57 psilord: Yes, then SICL could be useful to you at some point. 16:55:32 yeah, what zhivago said, why are you about to implement a CL compiler? 16:55:42 psilord: Fair enough. 16:56:01 psilord: did you consider extending the existing? 16:56:07 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:56:27 -!- cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has quit [] 16:56:50 I think that's a perfectly reasonable justification. 16:57:32 psilord: Now if you can get those kinds of annotations into some portable form that other projects can use, that would be great! 16:57:56 stassats, I looked at SBCL a bunch but it inherently isn't architected in a way as to make any of the annotations I want to keep around easy. 16:58:20 psilord: What annotations are you hoping to keep around? 16:58:29 nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 16:59:53 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 17:01:43 psilord, have you looked at DrRacket? 17:01:54 nyef: There is a set of them at each phase of the compiler. In the lexical analysis phase, the original form of each token, the cooked form of each token, and all the positional information, would be one example. In the parsing phase, which token belongs to which expression, what kind of form is it, etc, would be others. I want to integrate the annotations vertically in the compiler. 17:02:51 Eek. Good luck? 17:03:08 nyef, I've been thinking about it for more than a few years.... :) 17:03:08 That sounds like a very good objective! :) 17:04:01 psilord: It seems we have been thinking very similar thoughts for some time. 17:04:04 beach: yeah, also, you'd be able to query the semantics of the code and then useing those queries update the code in an aspect like manner. I have big plans, really. 17:04:18 Also, I have sketches of the visualizer. 17:04:43 Really, the thing I want to write will help you deal with situations like "I need to understand 500,000 lines of code as fast as I can to add this feature." 17:04:44 beach: then why write it in CL ? make a new language 17:05:06 psilord: i don't think that's possible 17:05:21 fe[nl]ix: I am not smart enough to improve on the CL standard. At least not significantly. 17:06:30 beach: oh, come on 17:07:49 stassats, of course, there will be bounds. :) There have to be. But if someone can do things like: "Find all places like '(setf (thing foo) 42)' and replace then with '(setf (my-thing foo) 55)' in all paths in the callgraph from line A to B" 17:08:08 fe[nl]ix: Fine, let's make it "knowledgeable" if you prefer. 17:08:28 Then I'd say that life a a hacker gets easier. 17:08:30 is that what they call "refactoring"? 17:08:44 stassats: a part of it 17:08:47 Doesn't xref already do that kind of thing? 17:09:25 stassats, maybe. refactoring is one thing, but I want exploratory aspect-like interaction with the codes, that once you actually settle on, the IDE will actually rewrite the code on disk to enact it. 17:10:23 psilord: May I suggest you do this in small steps, each of which would be an improvement on what we have. 17:10:39 beach: That is indeed the truth. :) 17:10:50 psilord: that sounds too complex for my poor brain 17:11:52 stassats: It may be complex as hell, but I have a burning desire to create it cause I'm tired of not being able to ask the questions I want from the tools I have. 17:11:54 Zhivago: interestingly, sbcl keeps track of the macroexpansions of SETF too 17:11:55 psilord: Can I assume you know that we have Climacs, a good editor that would be a great base for an IDE. 17:12:28 i prefer writing abstracted code where i can change internal details without using any complex tools 17:12:42 but I get false positives such as (mapcar (lambda ...) ...) 17:13:17 beach: so, I've mocked up an editor which writes the code onto textures onto 3D meshes. It allows me to markup the code using scalable vector graphics so I can have a nice polish on it and draw anything I'd like in regards to the code. 17:13:33 And you can warp the meshes to show more dimensions of data. 17:13:46 Well, my functionless lisp is coming along nicely with the new lexical-continuation based compiler design. :) 17:14:16 dysfunctional programming? 17:14:21 It can manage to figure out loops. 17:14:47 Well, I thought "what would lisp be like if it had followed the original plan for substitution". 17:14:49 sbahra [~sbahra@208.246.214.1] has joined #lisp 17:15:29 beach: maybe we can talk more later, I need to be afk for a good while. Later! 17:16:06 You can think of it as getting rid of lambda. 17:16:17 psilord: Sure, that would be good. 17:16:38 curi_ [~curi@adsl-99-114-139-86.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:48 symbole_ [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has joined #lisp 17:17:15 beach: see you around, and thanks for the conversation Zhivago. AFK 17:17:25 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:17:25 (oh, and others too!) 17:17:35 psilord: Take care. 17:17:49 psilord: Good bye, come back soon! 17:18:16 -!- powerje [~powerje@dhcp-128-146-43-156.osuwireless.ohio-state.edu] has quit [Quit: powerje] 17:18:35 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-164-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:18:39 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:18:57 tompa [~tompa@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:20 -!- tompa [~tompa@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:19:26 redline6561 [~redline@adsl-145-180-78.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 17:20:44 proq [~user@unaffiliated/proqesi] has joined #lisp 17:20:56 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 17:21:15 -!- adema [~adema@ariadne.enseirb.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:58 -!- levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:22:01 cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has joined #lisp 17:22:27 astalla [~astalla@93-36-225-152.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 17:23:23 -!- symbole_ is now known as symbole 17:24:09 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-sbingikcxooropla] has left #lisp 17:30:12 -!- tfb [~tfb@212.183.140.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:33:24 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: hometime!] 17:34:30 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-120.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:37:25 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 17:39:56 -!- cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has quit [] 17:41:42 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:41:46 -!- dcibiel [~dcibiel@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:42:08 enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-99-162-103-4.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:43 faux [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 17:45:06 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 17:46:47 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@208.246.214.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:46:48 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:01 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:34 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [Quit: kpreid] 17:50:03 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 17:50:09 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 17:54:47 -!- Harag [~Harag@iburst-41-213-66-33.iburst.co.za] has left #lisp 17:54:56 -!- davazp` [~user@64.Red-79-157-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:55 kpreid [~kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:02 debiandebian [~chatzilla@ntszok022039.szok.nt.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 18:03:34 slyrus [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:57 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:14 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 18:10:58 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:13:53 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:15:11 mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:16:25 t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B200202.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:21:04 I'd like to have a method for foo for use when calling it as (foo t), so i used (defmethod foo ((arg (eql t))) ...). Is there another way? 18:21:08 -!- yahooooo7 [~yahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 18:21:12 *Xach* couldn't think of anything in particular 18:21:49 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:11 Xach: nothing better that's portable, i believe. 18:22:15 yahooooo [~yahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:27 Xach: of course, you can write your own wrapper around defmethod... 18:22:31 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-163-168.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:22:36 the first refuge of cowards 18:23:23 Lisp has a cowardly community 18:23:30 we hide behind macros all the time. 18:23:40 daniel__ [~daniel@p5082EE28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:10 Fare: "first" is the important word in that sentence 18:24:11 I consider it ambitiously lazy 18:24:56 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082C081.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:25:13 peterbb [~peterbb@ves1-1x-dhcp324.uio.no] has joined #lisp 18:25:46 dysinger_ [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:25:47 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:26:11 hrmf. So, defstruct is defined to create functions for reading, but not writing? 18:26:34 foom: apparently. 18:26:39 That's quite stupid. 18:26:48 it can define macros for writing 18:27:00 as in defsetf ... 18:27:04 But it has to define functions for reading 18:27:39 sue the CLHS authors. 18:27:45 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:13 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 18:28:14 Might be more useful to get people who used that freedom in their implementations to fix it. 18:29:20 and in the meantime, fix programs that depend on non-portable behavior? 18:29:43 Eh. Hardly seems worth it. :) 18:30:26 Since clearly anyone who made the mistake of doing that in their implementation will be easily convinced of its craziness and fix it immediately 18:31:22 "clearly" 18:32:01 -!- peterbb [~peterbb@ves1-1x-dhcp324.uio.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:46 peterbb [~peterbb@ves1-1x-dhcp324.uio.no] has joined #lisp 18:32:55 -!- bobrobyn [~rsmith05@CPE0015e9d40d4f-CM001ac30e9df0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:34:07 Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.96.211.238] has joined #lisp 18:34:42 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:35:12 nyef [~nyef@pool-64-222-163-168.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:22 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:37:01 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:37:30 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.66.166] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:12 -!- dysinger_ is now known as dysinger 18:46:29 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:48:54 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 18:50:23 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 18:55:21 -!- aw [~aw@p5DDA9139.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3-dev] 18:58:15 milanj [~milanj_@93.87.151.235] has joined #lisp 18:59:04 ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.81.167] has joined #lisp 19:03:07 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-31-44.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:03:52 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-31-44.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 19:08:26 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:11:52 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 19:15:17 HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-23-52.dip.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:15:39 -!- schme is now known as schmx 19:17:31 ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has joined #lisp 19:18:48 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 19:21:12 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:36 -!- Madsy [~Madsy@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:37 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:19 has any CL implementation been ported to Android? 19:24:05 maybe ECL or ABCL? 19:24:06 There are rumors. 19:24:39 it seems like ECL has been ported to the iphone, but i haven't seen anything android related. 19:24:55 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@cpe90-146-32-187.liwest.at] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 19:25:27 -!- Stattrav [~Stattrav@117.96.211.238] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:30 symbole: really, it shouldn't be hard to get ecl or clisp, or even abcl run on android, since it's a linux based OS. 19:25:32 ABCL is not known to work on Android. 19:25:45 Well, abcl works on JVM... 19:25:48 But we'd be happy to help someone get there if they want. . . 19:26:02 android is not jvm 19:26:12 Android does not have a JVM per se: its called Davlik, and it is stack based. 19:26:24 varjaaks [~varjaaks@59.164.75.77] has joined #lisp 19:26:31 err "register based" 19:26:39 i think it's the other way around? 19:26:44 right 19:27:14 Can't the JVM run on any linux kernel? 19:27:46 they developed their own vm 19:27:51 pjb: There's an architecure specific part of the JVM. 19:28:03 Android devices are ARM. 19:28:21 kaffe might work better. 19:28:52 loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-52.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:15 Sun has a JVM for ARM 19:29:19 But Android doesn't use it 19:29:25 does anyone know a CL to Java compiler? 19:29:39 I mean Java as in Java the language, not running on top of JVM 19:29:39 I assume one could install Sun's JVM on Android. It's an open platform isn't it? 19:29:55 mathrick: CLforjava. 19:29:56 pjb: http://www.koushikdutta.com/2009/01/dalvik-vs-mono.html 19:30:03 -!- holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:30:11 mathrick: cycJ might do something like that. 19:30:28 CLforjava is a CL implementation on the VM. 19:30:34 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:30:35 pjb: I think you probably could, but it might not be easy 19:30:36 pjb: hmm, that compiles into java bytecode, which is not exactly what I think I need 19:30:40 I don't think it has compiler. 19:30:45 easyE: lemme look that up 19:30:48 mathrick: ABCL compiles to Java bytecode. 19:30:51 pjb: since not only does Android have its own JVM-alike, it also has its own libc, etcetc. 19:30:55 I know 19:31:00 But it is not standalone. 19:31:07 but that doesn't help me (android development) 19:31:12 Ah. 19:31:27 Hun [~hun@95-90-225-75-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:31:38 mathrick: you have gcc right? Then try ECL. 19:32:07 yes, I know that part, but I need to have UI too, and I really don't want to touch Java more than necessary for that :) 19:32:32 easyE: cycJ is phenomenally ungooglable 19:32:36 got a link handy? 19:33:14 *easyE* looks. 19:33:21 *mathrick* is considering gutting parenscript to make javas instead of javascripts 19:33:34 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 19:33:41 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:34:05 wedgeV [~wedge@cpe90-146-32-187.liwest.at] has joined #lisp 19:34:12 android's sdk is neat 19:34:23 from what I've read so far 19:34:25 I think I am thinking of OpenCyc 19:34:30 easyE: oh 19:34:42 Or this SubL thing. 19:34:53 Douglas Miles (dmiles) knows a lot about this stuff. 19:35:01 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@cpe90-146-32-187.liwest.at] has quit [Client Quit] 19:35:11 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 19:35:12 -!- symbole [~chatzilla@216.214.176.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 19:35:38 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:35:54 SubL is a Lisp that can be translated to C, Java, or .Net for various aproximations of "Working" 19:37:02 I don't have practical experience with it; I've just had my ear chewed off by dmiles is discussing Lisp implemntations on the JVM. 19:37:16 Sorry I can't be more helpful. 19:37:43 dmiles: poke? 19:38:00 easyE: that was helpful already, thanks 19:38:15 Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has joined #lisp 19:38:39 Can I "rethrow an error" out of a HANDLER-BIND clause? How? 19:38:53 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 19:38:58 easyE: just don't transfer the control 19:39:11 if you do nothing, it will be still active when your handler returns 19:39:22 Ok. 19:39:40 the only way not to "rethrow" is to use a non-local control transfer, so rethrowing is actually the default 19:42:23 brown [~user@nat/google/x-pogwbyxwjdqrhrsh] has joined #lisp 19:42:51 -!- brown is now known as Guest43787 19:43:13 -!- Athas [~athas@82.211.209.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:43:15 Dawgmatix [~dman@cpe-69-203-78-65.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:26 gah 19:44:31 opencyc seems to be all Java 19:44:50 Wasn't someone doing -something- with cyc and CL a while back? 19:45:30 dmiles, I think? 19:45:36 Probably. 19:45:44 dmiles is the admin of the opencyc project :) 19:45:55 hmm, no, just a developer 19:48:47 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755bc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:01 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-143-170.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:14 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:49:20 -!- varjaaks [~varjaaks@59.164.75.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:15 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@wifi-wpa.agh.edu.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:51:11 -!- SandGorgon [~OmNomNomO@122.161.239.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:51:35 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-109-212.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:53:45 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:32 Madsy [~madman@ti0207a340-0009.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 19:54:32 -!- Madsy [~madman@ti0207a340-0009.bb.online.no] has quit [Changing host] 19:54:32 Madsy [~madman@fu/coder/madsy] has joined #lisp 19:54:52 -!- HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:55:25 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 19:56:50 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 19:57:02 -!- raek [~raek@h-148-139.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:58:00 after fixing asdf, maybe someone should fix asdf-install. Not me, though. 19:58:53 there seem to be 6 or 7 people trying 19:58:58 but, sensibly, using different names 20:01:05 loomer_ [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-52.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:43 holycow [~new@poco208-2.fredcanhelp.com] has joined #lisp 20:03:30 -!- joshuavera [~joshuaver@c-67-160-85-249.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: joshuavera] 20:04:18 Xach: they need to take on assumed names before trying? 20:04:20 -!- loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-52.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:05:14 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-143-233.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:07:02 marioxcc [~user@200.77.70.195] has joined #lisp 20:07:50 francogrex [~user@146.35-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 20:11:38 -!- t3eblinder [~wolfgang@p5B200202.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #lisp 20:15:42 sugarshark [~ole@p4FDA9768.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:15:44 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:15:47 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:18:39 mathrick pasted "why so roundabout?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/99151 20:18:52 how hard would it be to implement http://www.flownet.com/ron/lisp/combination-hook.lisp for SBCL ? (needed by lexicons) 20:19:02 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 20:19:10 loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-52.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:32 any idea why this code might be doing things this way? Is there something I'm missing that differentiates it from merely saying (lambda (,lambda-list) ,body)? 20:19:40 ,@body even 20:20:18 mathrick, because destructuring lambda lists are more powerful than function lambda-lists? 20:20:29 ah, right, good call 20:20:45 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:48 I forgot d-b does destructuring lambda lists, not ordinary ones 20:21:20 loomer__ [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-52.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:33 Xach, by that you mean clbuild and such, or actual asdf-install forks? 20:22:11 apparently, there are many forks - one in SBCL (original one), one "portable" on cl.net, one I just deleted from the asdf git tree, one in CCL, and probably more 20:22:13 -!- loomer_ [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-52.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:22:50 Fare: the one in sbcl is the original, the portable one is the first fork (originally by edi weitz), and others are forks of the first fork. 20:23:17 bucho [~mmm@vz144.citysearch.com] has joined #lisp 20:23:48 fixing bugs would be easier if there were no extraneous forking. 20:24:02 I mean, when a project forks with active developers on each fork, sure. 20:24:09 -!- loomer [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-52.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:24:39 but when it's just to have the same maintainers do the work n times plus spend n^2 times on communication and patch synchronization - UGH 20:24:47 -!- slyrus [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:26:59 -!- lhz [~shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:30:07 Fare: So, can cmucl's module contrib stuff be moved to the end? Say in default-source-registry? 20:31:20 Isn't "hook-em-dano" from Hawaii Five-O and not Dragnet? 20:31:42 book 20:32:08 rtoym: yup, I have it that way in 1.722, not committed yet. 20:32:35 quick questions, in clisp, I can enter the name of a hash variable and see the values, but in SBCL when I do the same, I get something along the line of # is there anyway to see all the contents? 20:32:46 Fare: Oh, great! Other than that, I think asdf2 is ready to go with cmucl. 20:33:35 segmond: (fare-utils:hash-table->alist *foo*) 20:33:39 -!- asarch [~asarch@187.132.249.179] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:33:45 (does alexandria have that?) 20:33:48 Yes. 20:34:19 -!- Madsy [~madman@fu/coder/madsy] has quit [] 20:34:20 it has hash-table-alist 20:34:53 segmond: so (alexandria:hash-table-alist *foo*) 20:35:16 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:36:32 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-195-12.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:39 what is that fare-utils and alexandria stuff? is it standard with sbcl? 20:36:46 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 20:37:13 Gee, I always just type in (maphash #'(lambda (k v)) (format t "~S -> ~S~%" k v)) ). 20:39:45 segmond: you can asdf-install either 20:39:56 segmond: or clbuild install them 20:39:57 rtoym, your example doesn't work 20:40:22 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 20:40:35 Maybe if I type it incorrectly it would. Too many parens after (k v). 20:40:36 i know you have extra ) after the (lambda (k v) but fixing that doesn't work either 20:41:54 fare, great, i'm going to have to play around with that, so i guess it's not standard CL for the representation of a hashtable to be printable? 20:42:21 Hi, does anyone know how to specialize a defmethod on an boolean? 20:42:32 segmond: Why not? Works for me. 20:42:38 the reason i'm asking is, because i'm playing with a program that can print a hash table and save it, then reload it, i can get it to work with clisp, but not sbcl, is there another method to save it? 20:43:51 segmond: nope 20:44:06 rtoym, sorry, i see my mistake. 20:44:13 segmond: when I access a big hashtable, I don't want the printer to print all its contents. 20:44:37 Fare, strawman -- same with a big string 20:44:44 list , etc 20:44:51 HET2 [~diman@cpc1-cdif12-2-0-cust125.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 20:44:57 segmond, you can try to print it with *print-readably* bound to T and see if it works. 20:45:14 dcrawford, strawman indeed. 20:45:27 fine, so if i want to be able to save and load a hashtable on SBCL, then i have to figure out how to print it, and reload it. 20:45:29 -!- francogrex [~user@146.35-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:05 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:46:07 -!- loomer__ [~loomer@pool-173-79-230-52.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 20:46:16 segmond, or you can use rucksack to do that for you. 20:46:20 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 20:46:24 or another such library 20:47:27 -!- christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:48:02 ok, thanks, i will look into those. 20:48:24 *print-readably* probably doesn't work. 20:49:04 hrm, so if I want to use with-slots, with an object from another package, I have to export every slot, _and_ qualify with :? 20:49:22 No 20:49:24 common-lisp is so overwhelming, looks like it will take a decade to wrap my head around it. lol is this just me or is that how most of you felt when you started? 20:49:25 That just seems wrong 20:49:46 bytecolor: It's wrong to want to use slots in a different package. 20:49:52 -!- koollman [~samson_t@ns301422.ovh.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:50:05 beach: ?? 20:50:39 segmond: It felt like what I had been unsuccessfully been looking for for decades. 20:50:50 foom: What's your problem with that? 20:51:03 segmond: it all went fast after I got rid of all this "magic" bullshit and read PCL instead of Graham's essays ;-) 20:51:06 segmond: I've been hacking my arse off and I've yet to scratch the surface of this alien technology 20:51:07 beach: why would it be wrong to want to use slots from another package? 20:51:30 (that doesn't mean I grasp CL completely - I just no longer feel overwhelmed) 20:51:47 foom: slots represent implementation details. Other packages should use accessors that may or may not correspond to slots. 20:51:51 nothing is 'private' in lisp, which is why I assumed it was ok, but it does seem convoluted 20:52:19 beach: I follow your thinking 20:52:21 bytecolor: if you don't want to qualify them, you need to 'use' the package the slots are from, and export the slots from that package. As said above though, you should use the accessors, not the slots 20:52:39 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp85-141-166-120.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:52:48 bytecolor: You are confused. The fact that nothing is *really* private is a good thing, because it allows you to write debuggers and such. But by convention, things should still be modular. 20:53:17 Using slot names from another package is wrong because it goes against the grain, not because it's not allowed. 20:53:46 lol, well, my approach is to read multiple books at once, i find that i tend to get stuck or bored reading one books, so switching back and forth between books has been helping. I haven't started PCL tho. 20:53:46 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 20:53:50 well if I want something to be 'private' I put a :reader on it, not a :writer or :accessor, just for my own sanity 20:54:56 christoph_debian [christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:03 -!- rrice [~rrice@76.211.6.129] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:55:10 segmond: What is the parts you find overwhelming with lisp? 20:55:14 so with-slots is not a panacea, pity, I was starting to like it 20:55:44 I haven't used with-accessors yet though, have to look at that 20:55:54 bytecolor: You can use it, but only within the module that knows about what slots you have. 20:56:06 p_l: I agree there with the getting rid of all the magic bullshit. (: 20:56:09 beach: nod, makes sense 20:56:19 bytecolor: It would be very unusual to export the fact that certain slots exist. 20:56:26 bytecolor: another option if you don't want to qualify is with-prefixed-accessors: (with-prefixed-accessors (accessors...) ("package:prefix" object) ) 20:56:27 schmx, what is this "magic" you speak of? 20:56:46 bfein: hrm 20:56:49 psilord: < p_l> segmond: it all went fast after I got rid of all this "magic" bullshit and read PCL instead of Graham's essays . 20:57:02 tritchey [~tritchey@c-98-226-81-194.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:03 psilord: I'm saying there is no magic to lisp, and nothing strange/special/whatever. 20:57:11 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 20:57:18 (though you still need to export the accessors from the package you are using them from, or use the dreaded double colon qualifier) 20:57:38 Oh yeah, no magic, just hilariously sharp tools are made available to you. 20:57:54 schmx, from outside looking inside, it's all voodoo 20:57:58 psilord: I dunno about that part either. 20:58:10 segmond: ech. it's just conses and a repl. (: 20:58:27 schmx, hindsight is 20/20. now you see it. 20:58:35 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-143-233.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:58:39 segmond: I guess. 20:58:59 bfein: That's just ordinary modular programming stuff. 20:59:05 Actually, IMHO, it is the symbolic processing aspect of CL that I truly need the most. It is the fact I can stick whatever I want into a list, and then map a function across it. Add to this the ability to build easy abstractions over algorithms or data, and that's pretty much it. :) 20:59:19 higher order functions is really the gemstone for me. 20:59:33 beach: Yeah, he was asking how to get at the stuff without having to qualify everything in addition to exporting it. 20:59:46 I'm pretty sure I use closures in some kind of criminal fashion. :) 21:00:10 my keene book still hasn't arrived 21:00:31 psilord: Good for you. All the "you shouldn't use that that way" is bullcrap (: 21:01:11 Well, there are two kinds of code in the world, code that checks its boundary conditions, and code that doesn't. Code is legacy the moment you write it! 21:02:03 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:02:12 psilord, for me, it's the bottom-up approach of doing things, i'm still learning and loving it. 21:03:00 segmond: I'm all over, top down, bottom up, sideways into a ditch, whatever works and I can understand looking at it 6 months later. :) 21:03:50 i was just thinking last night, that using lisp symbols as prolog variable is going to be very very interesting. 21:04:15 -!- dysinger [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dysinger] 21:04:26 segmond: If you are interested in prolog + lisp then maybe you should look into PAIP. There is a whole chapter on implementing prolog in lisp. 21:04:30 segmond: There are some things that are fascinating to me, like generalized references, which I intend to explore more. I'm a bit of a programming language/compiler writer junkie. 21:04:43 schmx, yeah, I already saw that while googling. :) 21:04:47 -!- davertron [~Dave@vt-sb-1.logicsupply.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:04 -!- Hun [~hun@95-90-225-75-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:19 aha :) 21:05:23 -!- ve [~a@193.62.81.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:05:32 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 21:05:47 psilord, must be nice. i guess i can say that lisp is going to be my first programming language, i have written code in some asm, C, lua, php, and python, but there is nothing significant that i have done or worth talking about. 21:05:59 psilord: It looks like you have found a language that will give you endless pleasure. 21:06:01 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 21:06:08 pickles [~paul@d47-69-2-54.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #lisp 21:07:22 ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 21:07:42 potatishandlarn [~potatisha@c-4f664ec9-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 21:07:43 ve_ [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 21:07:45 -!- ve_ [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:19 beach: I was into scheme in the early 90's, write a decent amount of it, some of it got publicly used, most of it recycled after a while as is the nature of open source. 21:08:47 segmond: The fundamental thing that will help your ability to write lisp is to have a real thing you want to write. :) 21:08:57 Anyone used wxCL here? is it reliable? 21:09:32 psilord, yeah, i will. :-) 21:09:51 segmond: I have three projects I am currently writing, a compiler, a code collaboration website, and a code visualizer. Each of them is broken into sub pieces and so on. I'm implementing them as I go. 21:09:59 psilord, more so than writing real things, my goal is to improve existing lisp libraries, contribute code, and document instead of rebuilding the wheel. 21:10:41 segmond: That is a worthy goal! I made a pledge to myself that any undocumented libraries I need for a project of mine I was going to write a nice tutorial for. 21:10:48 psilord, i have always hated working with other people's code, but i promise myself, no matter how ugly things are, i'm not going for rewrite, i'm going to work on doing the dirty work that most people don't want to. I think reading and fixing code is a great way to learn. 21:10:58 -!- hefner [~hefner@ppp-61-90-102-48.revip.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: hefner] 21:11:14 -!- benny [~benny@i577A89EE.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:27 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:12:11 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93.87.151.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:12:18 segmond: Yeah, reading and understanding code is not as emphasized as it should be.... Mostly, if you can just understand the assumptions at the interface boundary to whatever library/codes you use, that's often sufficient. 21:12:58 -!- HG` [~HG@xdsl-92-252-23-52.dip.osnanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:13:33 gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has joined #lisp 21:13:35 well, i gotta run, i heard the whores at the corner are having specials today. 21:13:47 segmond: later! 21:14:36 legumbre_ [~leo@r190-135-17-123.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 21:15:24 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-181-25.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:15:55 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@cs181217253.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:22 milanj [~milanj_@93.87.150.90] has joined #lisp 21:16:27 -!- legumbre [~leo@r190-135-3-213.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16:32 benny [~benny@i577A89EE.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 21:18:00 -!- joga [joga@rikki.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:18:40 -!- sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@border.pozitronic.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:01 cmsimon [~iamcms2@unaffiliated/cmsimon] has joined #lisp 21:19:22 sykopomp|jeejah [~sykopomp@border.pozitronic.com] has joined #lisp 21:20:52 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-24-16-247-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:04 xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-181-25.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:21:57 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 21:22:56 Arelius [~d0507552@gateway/web/freenode/x-rnnxlkfluqosxtkq] has joined #lisp 21:23:23 What's the purpose of mapcar and the result-type param in map? 21:25:13 mapcar is for lists, map is fir sequences 21:25:23 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:26:28 -!- ``Erik [erik@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:58 ``Erik [Here@c-69-140-109-104.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:28:02 -!- ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:07 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 21:31:50 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-16-247-61.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:24 ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 21:35:11 I found Linj, which is a CL-to-Java translator 21:35:16 http://web.archive.org/web/20070912163504/www.evaluator.pt/downloads/tutorial.html 21:35:34 the original page is dead 21:36:54 mathrick: I've got a copy of Linj, you can probably get one too if you ask the author. 21:37:00 jan247 [~jan247@120.28.112.167] has joined #lisp 21:37:00 -!- jan247 [~jan247@120.28.112.167] has quit [Changing host] 21:37:00 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 21:37:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-133-171-82.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:37:37 luis: archive.org got that too, or is there a newer version than 1.7? 21:38:44 mathrick: if you want to output Java code not for human consumption, you may try to compile with ABCL and use a Java decompiler to reconstruct the source 21:39:05 joga [joga@rikki.fi] has joined #lisp 21:39:09 -!- Xof [~crhodes@dunstaple.doc.gold.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:39:23 -!- Intensity [jrT9FedqAy@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:26 astalla: that'd have the same problems running ABCL directly would, ie. android's reflection is SLOW 21:39:31 Xof [~crhodes@158.223.51.79] has joined #lisp 21:39:34 so is the interpreter, really 21:40:09 -!- abend [~alx@67.136.131.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:40:36 ok, if reflection is a problem, that won't help you 21:41:12 aye, I wouldn't be jumping through hoops if I could just run ABCL :) 21:41:23 levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 21:41:31 luis: have you run linj on a modern SBCL? Any issues? 21:41:38 actually I'm working on an ABCL branch which is supposed to reduce the usage of reflection (to call its own functions, not to access Java libraries) 21:42:01 but it's still in progress, and I don't know precisely how much it will improve things 21:42:05 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-143-170.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: G'bye] 21:42:41 -!- ziggurat [~quassel@173.74.42.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:42:48 astalla: oh, that'd be a very welcome thing 21:43:59 -!- ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:30 ASau [~user@83.69.227.32] has joined #lisp 21:45:55 -!- psilord [~psilord@merlin.cs.wisc.edu] has left #lisp 21:46:25 mathrick: :) we'll see how it goes. The ideas are there, I'm trying it in practice, but I have a few things to fix. 21:46:55 well, good luck with that 21:46:58 -!- legumbre_ is now known as legumbre 21:47:43 thanks 21:48:41 hmm, linj is looking good, it deals with a lot of boring java crap 21:48:58 uh, ABCL uses reflection to call its own functions? ugh. 21:49:10 if I can get it to work, it'll likely be easier than trying to get parenscript there 21:49:20 btw, how do ABCL and CLforJava compare? 21:49:31 -!- xavieran [~xavieran@ppp118-209-181-25.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:49:36 their goal looks superficially similar 21:51:07 Thomas_H [~Thomas_H@d207-6-77-199.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:20 Fare: CLforJava is a professor's project to teach students about software project management 21:51:29 Fare: ABCL uses reflection to *load* the classes used to implement its function (those written in Lisp, that is) 21:51:42 which slows startup times... 21:51:49 Samuel9999 [tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999] has joined #lisp 21:51:58 peddie_ [~peddie@adsl-76-254-70-196.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:22 CLforJava is much more immature, and has a bit different design goals. 21:52:35 it tries much harder to integrate with Java. 21:52:55 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:53:00 luis: it seems I didn't get the source in fact, the tarball has fasls for SBCL 0.9.6 21:53:10 now I understand why it had so many different versions 21:53:18 luis: could you send me the source then? 21:53:34 -!- peddie [~peddie@adsl-99-34-76-6.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:53:54 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@210.8.79.105] has joined #lisp 21:53:58 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@210.8.79.105] has quit [Changing host] 21:53:58 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 21:54:46 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55:02 luis: also, how'd I go about contacting the author? All the email addresses point to the expired domain 21:56:08 Jerry Boetje wrote some stuff about not complying with the standard that distressed me a bit about the prospects of CLforJava being a serious CL implementation. 21:56:39 it doesn't line up much with my view of where the implementor's discretion lies 21:56:45 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-105-124.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:01 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-075-189-213-049.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:57:22 Xach: link? 21:57:34 his argument was basically that string-capitalize should do what people expect in 2010, not what the spec says it should do. 21:57:52 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-105-124.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:58:17 that is dangerous thinking 21:58:31 when exactly do you decide it's been long enough to update expectations? 21:58:47 and what if your expectations change 10 years from now? 21:59:07 that's actually a pretty minor thing, compared to other stuff. 21:59:33 for example, CLforJava represents Lisp types with Java interfaces, so the Lisp type system is tied to the Java one. 22:00:05 astalla: I hope it's not representative of some general lack of respect for the specification. 22:00:08 I'm not sure that by using the Java type system you can cover all the Lisp type nuances 22:00:46 The conversation didn't give me much hope though. 22:00:51 Xach: so what exactly would he have STRING-CAPITALIZE do 22:00:52 ? 22:01:14 Xach: I can't really say; my impression is that compliance with Java is valued more than CL conformance, but - it's my own personal impression, I don't want to put words in other people's mouths. 22:01:21 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 22:01:41 valued more by the CLforJava design, that is, not in general. 22:01:45 -!- felideon [~user@12.228.15.162] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:02:01 but, I'm of course very biased :) 22:02:09 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:30 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:44 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 22:04:16 Xach: I wouldn't worry too much about CLforJava. Jerry is retiring in a year or so to do photography 22:04:43 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.81.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:05:58 -!- skeledrew [~skeledrew@0063-25-27-72-DYNAMIC-dsl.cwjamaica.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:46 valuing Java over CL might be a reasonable course of action if your ultimate goal is to produce Java code and not to have a good CL implementation 22:10:37 but why have a CL implementation at all if it won't be able to run CL code? 22:10:45 might as well go the way of Clojure 22:11:11 to go back to the original question - does Clojure run on Android? 22:11:23 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:12:25 lemonodor [~lemonodor@144.198.182.10] has joined #lisp 22:12:37 Fare: there has to be some ugliness, the only question is which end do you place it on? It might be that porting CL code to CL4J is deemed easier / more efficient than porting it to Clojure 22:13:00 rtoym: I released 1.722 for you. 22:14:48 I don't want to give the impression of spreading FUD about CL4J, but... imho it lacks too many things to be called a CL today. For example, it doesn't have CLOS. 22:15:34 I do value their stress on correct design principles 22:15:44 ABCL is much messier 22:16:00 -!- faux [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has left #lisp 22:16:14 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:16 astalla: ABCL didn't have much of a useful CLOS for a long time either :) 22:17:28 mathrick: I don't have permission from the author to redistribute the source. I'll send you his address, hold on. 22:17:39 luis: appreciated, thanks 22:17:56 well, it already had CLOS when I started using it, I think 1.5 years ago 22:18:09 astalla, you can qualify as CL without CLOS. Just not a very compliant ANSI CL. 22:18:26 -!- levente_meszaros [~levente_m@4d6f5d3b.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:18:27 astalla: for a long time its CLOS was just barely enough to get basic ASDF going 22:18:39 Fare: right. But you'll probably have a hard time porting most CL code. 22:18:52 schoppenhauer [~senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 22:19:06 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:19:13 mathrick: ok :) I'm not saying it's perfect, it's of course much more immature than most other CLs 22:19:28 still, now it also has a bit of MOP ;) 22:22:09 that's certainly a good thing, and I'm more than happy to see ABCL alive and evolving. I'm just saying that ABCL was not very CL not that long ago because of its weak CLOS too. 22:22:31 either way, CL4J is definitely interesting, and might even be useful at some point 22:23:14 -!- gonzojive [~red@rescomp-09-162682.Stanford.EDU] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 22:23:17 ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.66.225] has joined #lisp 22:24:06 weak CLOS is better than no CLOS :) but I see your point. 22:24:47 *nyef* shudders at the thought of some of the abominations he's seen involving no CLOS. 22:24:47 also ABCL lacks some things which are not strictly part of CL, but are nevertheless expected by developers 22:25:11 like save-image, or a feature-rich debugger. 22:26:12 davazp [~user@64.Red-79-157-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:23 A feature-rich debugger? In CL? Are you kidding? 22:27:42 well, let's say a decent debugger :) 22:27:58 I could do with one of those. 22:28:07 that lets you see local variables, put breakpoints, step, ... the usual things. 22:28:09 *nyef* glares at SB-DI. 22:28:16 Hah! 22:28:29 I don't know well the situation with other CLs, but I guess it's way better. 22:29:00 The only one debugger I tried is the LispWorks one which imho is quite good 22:30:06 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:31:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@86-084.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:32:10 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 22:32:16 astalla, you could use PCL as a slow implementation. 22:33:28 in CL4J or in ABCL? 22:34:45 whichever 22:35:04 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Client Quit] 22:35:44 Fare: what is PCL? 22:37:09 Appl6 [~steven@c-98-230-53-146.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:37:22 gonzojive [~red@171.66.49.73] has joined #lisp 22:37:54 astalla: In this case, I assume the "portable common loops", a mostly-portable implementation of CLOS. 22:38:15 -!- plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-121-223.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:38:16 -!- fooki [fooki@h-73-135.A165.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 22:38:22 ok, thanks 22:38:52 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.97.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:11 -!- Appl6 [~steven@c-98-230-53-146.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #lisp 22:39:17 -!- fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has quit [Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server.] 22:39:40 Not that I know why Fare recommended it, though. 22:40:25 fgtech [fgtech@193.219.39.203] has joined #lisp 22:40:48 probably referring to my earlier comment... of porting code which uses CLOS on an implementation without CLOS. 22:41:06 beach: are there any other portable implementations of CLOS that can be easily deployed on a CLOS-less CL implementation? 22:42:40 -!- gonzojive [~red@171.66.49.73] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:45 gonzojive [~red@171.66.49.73] has joined #lisp 22:43:05 -!- Samuel9999 [tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999] has left #lisp 22:43:34 schoppenhauer1 [~senjak@host169.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 22:43:41 -!- schoppenhauer1 [~senjak@host169.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:44:56 abend [~alx@076-076-146-016.pdx.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:41 -!- nha [~prefect@250-194.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: destroy, despise, distrust, disobey, distrust, disarm, destroy, dispise, dissect, deny, destroy, despise, distrust... love is suicide.] 22:49:03 -!- schoppenhauer [~senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:50:09 plutonas [~plutonas@port-92-195-121-23.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 22:51:18 -!- Dawgmatix [~dman@cpe-69-203-78-65.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 22:52:38 Fare: The usual CLOS implementation technique is to take CLOSette from AMOP and spruce it up a bit. 22:52:44 Fare: probably the SACLA clos implementation? 22:54:17 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 22:56:39 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:58:21 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93.87.150.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:20 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-105-124.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:12 muahaha, that's pretty bad. I'm trying to think of a synonym for the slot default-p because it starts with 'def' and emacs indents subsequent code wrong 23:02:38 maybe I should take a little nap ;) 23:02:39 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:04:03 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@12.14.38.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:04:31 sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-105-124.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:04:46 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.58.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:47 dysinger` [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:05 -!- astalla [~astalla@93-36-225-152.ip62.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 23:06:22 -!- sepult [~levgue@xdsl-78-34-105-124.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 23:06:22 -!- enthymeme [~kraken@adsl-99-162-103-4.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:06:39 -!- dysinger` [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:56 dysinger` [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:07:23 -!- dysinger` [~dysinger@cpe-98-150-133-209.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:50 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 23:10:39 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.97.1] 23:14:51 -!- gonzojive [~red@171.66.49.73] has quit [Quit: gonzojive] 23:15:49 bytecolor: you can disable that; slime can indent macros by getting the argument list from the host. 23:15:54 slyrus [~slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:13 abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:20:58 -!- davazp [~user@64.Red-79-157-94.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:22:10 pkhuong: sounds nice; as M-x doctor would say, could you elaborate on that ? 23:22:29 (sorry, i need a nap too i guess) 23:24:18 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 23:29:22 Just like kindergarten. I still remember the mats we slept on. There were blue and cold. 23:30:49 -!- peterbb [~peterbb@ves1-1x-dhcp324.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:11 -!- benny [~benny@i577A89EE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:36:38 benny [~benny@i577A8D1C.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 23:39:35 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:40:11 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755bc2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:40 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:52:46 pbalogh [~pbalogh@72-58-236-233.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:27 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:55:15 ikki [~ikki@201.155.75.146] has joined #lisp 23:59:09 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 23:59:31 -!- pbalogh [~pbalogh@72-58-236-233.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]