00:00:00 it may be that if the receiver doesn't read the datagrams and the kernel buffer gets full, only then the kernel starts dropping datagrams 00:00:38 but even that would be a little weird IMO 00:00:45 fe[nl]ix: the protocol doesn't seem to have cancellation yet? 00:01:18 -!- will-power [~HP_Owner@72.170.94.228] has left #lisp 00:03:06 Valid types are: SOCK_STREAM, for a stream-oriented socket and SOCK_DGRAM, for a datagram-oriented socket that preserves message boundaries (as on most Unix implementations, Unix domain datagram sockets are always reliable and don't reorder datagrams); 00:03:35 also, send can return an error, remember :) 00:03:37 excellent 00:03:42 right 00:03:52 that excerpt was from linux manpage 00:04:07 *adeht* imagines future Unix-Hates Handbook quotation: "If buying a book was like executing fe[nl]ix processes, once you pick up a book you have to either buy it or leave it on the seller's desk, leaving her ignorant of your intentions regarding a purchase." 00:04:11 *Haters 00:04:11 holycow [~new@64.151.208.2] has joined #lisp 00:04:18 there's also SOCK_SEQPACKET, for sequential datagrams 00:04:32 -!- bizarrefish [~lee@host86-146-52-196.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:04:34 Paraselene_ [~Not@79-67-146-129.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 00:04:45 -!- Paraselene [~Not@79-67-146-129.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:05:39 Heh. The UHH was awesome. One of the very few books to include a barf bag attached to one of the covers. 00:05:59 *Xach* still has his, with barf bag attached 00:06:07 -!- Phoodus [foo@97-124-127-114.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:06:16 bizarrefish [~lee@host86-146-52-196.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 00:06:19 *Xach* is holding out for it to become a priceless collectible 00:06:51 heh 00:07:04 that sounds like clever marketing 00:07:08 Fare: binascii fixes pushed 00:08:57 -!- Hun [~hun@pd956be5d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:14 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 00:13:26 froydnj, thanks! 00:14:34 -!- fsl [~fsl@auf186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1] 00:14:38 froydnj, now to get rid of the final = 00:14:46 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@2001:ba8:1f1:f0ed:216:5eff:fe00:16b] has joined #lisp 00:14:51 which strikes me a wholly useless 00:15:14 -!- maacl [~mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: maacl] 00:15:30 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-150-14.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:15:40 given N 5-bit digits, I can tell there were exactly (floor (* 5 N) 8) bytes 00:15:59 *shrug* I don't write the specs, I just implement 'em 00:16:24 I suppose a :no-padding option or similar would be useful for decoding; wikipedia says such a mode exists for base64 00:17:08 er, encoding, rather 00:19:58 ... How hard would it be to implement a PDF viewer? 00:20:13 yes, such an option would be nice 00:20:29 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.206.19] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 00:20:32 nyef: been done before, so not hard. Just a lot of pain. 00:20:39 Ah. 00:20:47 nyef: the basics are not too tricky, complete coverage seems pretty labor-intensive 00:20:58 Hrm. 00:21:10 I don't know if there's an existing javascript-in-cl you could reuse. 00:21:34 nyef: a PDF renderer ? 00:21:37 I guess it'd be easier to just wait out the next week or so before I can risk a massive system update to try and fix things. 00:22:12 nyef: then, supporting forms-filling is more pain. 00:22:22 -!- ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.67.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:25:03 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 00:26:50 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:27:48 bad news: /tmp/tthsum and /usr/bin/tthsum disagree... 00:28:04 so my patch fails to merge checksums properly... 00:29:00 Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:29:54 how would one obtain the rev dns hostname of an ip? 00:30:10 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:31:11 maacl [~mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 00:32:46 -!- grouzen [~grouzen@91.214.124.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:34:07 Shaftoe: iolib can do that 00:35:05 thanks. investigating. I was using sb-bsd-sockets:get-host-by-name but it seems to not return what I Expect 00:36:18 try sb-bsd-sockets:get-host-by-address 00:36:29 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:36:44 ok setup my SBCL/SLIME system to scan /usr/local/src/clbuild/source for asdf files and reister them in the registry. It now cashes the result in a file ~/.sbcl/asdf-registry.cashe and I have to write (rebuild-asdf-registry) when I add new libraries with cl-build. But I don't have to restart emacs. 00:37:31 Also alt--alt-slime now allows me to select between sbcl,clisp, Qi and clojure.. 00:37:44 long night :) 00:38:02 Younder, are you aware that the new asdf 1.6 solves these issues? 00:38:25 Fare, nop 00:39:14 i.e. you can just echo '(:tree "/usr/local/src/clbuild/source")' > ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/50-clbuild 00:39:29 ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.64.225] has joined #lisp 00:39:29 and you won't have to manually rescan things ever again 00:39:55 (except that if there are several copies of foo.asd in that tree, results are not guaranteed) 00:40:01 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 00:41:45 fe[nl]ix: nice. it works.the docs for by name were pretending that a string of the ip would work too 00:41:49 thanks 00:43:36 rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 00:44:10 S11001001 [~sirian@c-98-249-209-53.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:47:40 quidnunc [~user@bas16-montreal02-1242356783.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 00:48:30 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:49:56 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 00:50:02 -!- quidnunc [~user@bas16-montreal02-1242356783.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 00:50:17 -!- Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Shaftoe] 00:51:07 tompa [~thomas@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #lisp 00:51:44 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@pool-70-19-64-12.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 00:51:54 Fare: now that the initial protocol seems pretty good, I'll actually start the coding :) 00:52:16 reprore_ [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:55:10 marioxcc [~user@201.132.83.180] has joined #lisp 00:55:33 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:56:03 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 00:56:48 -!- sbahra [~sbahra@2002:62da:45b3:1234:21d:e0ff:fe00:f7ab] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:59 -!- GrayMagiker [~steve@c-68-54-2-128.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:39 -!- timor [~timor@port-87-234-97-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:10 fe[nl]ix, did you take my remarks into consideration? 01:04:26 hmm, which ones ? 01:07:04 gavino [~gschuette@cpe-76-172-28-85.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:07:41 Ralith [~ralith@69.90.48.97] has joined #lisp 01:07:43 ok with common lisp how do I take all .jpg files from a fodler with mant subfolders and put them in a folder? 01:07:51 ... Bwah? OSX thread failures due to fork, getpid() vs. pid-at-time-of-thread-death... WTF not just add an atfork() handler to deal with any pending thread postmortems? 01:07:51 many- 01:08:49 ... You -know- this. It involves DOLIST, DIRECTORY, a WILD PATHNAME, and RENAME-FILE. 01:09:13 You further know that the technical term is neither 'fodler' nor 'folder'. 01:09:49 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:10:35 Actually, speaking of atfork(), if merely dealing with pending postmortems is insufficient, what about adding a stop_for_gc()? 01:10:41 a WILD PATHNAME appears. 01:10:54 ... HAHAHAHAHA 01:11:16 Wow. I can actually -see- the Dragon Warrior combat screen now. 01:11:19 :D 01:11:36 I blame one pint nine fluid ounces of 9% ABV beer for that. 01:11:57 -!- phadthai [mmondor@66.11.161.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:13:40 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 01:17:36 -!- mejja [~user@c-52b1e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:04 -!- reprore_ [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:08 Fare: I must go to sleep now. please send me an email with any remarks/objections you have 01:19:13 froydnj, I have a fix 01:19:24 Should I resend the patch, or send another patch to run on top 01:19:33 Fare: resend, please 01:19:40 (and my test suite was misusing stefil, which is why I wasn't seeing the failure before) 01:20:15 hate that infinite regress of testing problems 01:21:09 froydnj, in update-digest, is it guaranteed that (< start end) or do I have to check for it? 01:21:18 -!- rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22:43 btw, we're about 7 times slower than the optimized C version at computing tth 01:22:44 Fare: you can assume it; there ought to be code that enforces it, but there's not 01:22:58 I inserted an assert. 01:23:37 I don't want to write tests w/o binascii... 01:23:53 and I don't want to write tests with it, since you don't want the dependency 01:24:03 or could just the test system depend on binascii? 01:24:23 you don't have a separate ironclad-test.asd -- but maybe you should 01:24:30 the test system could depend on binascii, but thanks to the magic of asdf, binascii would not get downloaded automagically 01:24:46 this is one of my pet peeves about asdf/asdf-install 01:25:33 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 01:28:22 Fare: if using binascii makes life easy, then do it and I suppose we can deal with the fallout 01:29:39 do you can about asdf-install in these cases? 01:29:46 gah, more bugs! 01:30:01 trust but verify! 01:30:18 -!- Ralith [~ralith@69.90.48.97] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:37 I care about being able to run the test suite with minimal dependencies so that users could verify things work for themselves without having to download a bunch of garbage 01:30:59 Okay, I'm gone for tonight. 01:31:02 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-142-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 01:31:47 Ralith [~ralith@69.90.48.97] has joined #lisp 01:32:21 -!- enthymene is now known as enth|walk 01:33:51 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:59 dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:36:38 -!- maacl [~mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: maacl] 01:40:39 froydnj, re-sent 01:43:00 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 01:44:22 -!- pix4 [~pixel@212.60.130.33] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:46:06 ouch, I can't (digest-stream :tth *standard-input*) because it's no bivalent :( :( :( 01:47:06 pix4 [~pixel@212.60.130.33] has joined #lisp 01:48:30 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:48:54 and sbcl will refuse to open /proc/self/fd/0 either :( :( :( 01:48:58 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 01:49:29 LIFE SUCKS! 01:52:04 (SB-SYS:MAKE-FD-STREAM 0 :input t :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) 01:52:14 tell me there is a better way... 01:52:28 especially one that works on windows. 01:55:00 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 01:57:50 change-class :d 01:59:33 (setf (SB-IMPL::FD-STREAM-BIVALENT-P sb-sys:*stdin*) t) ? 02:00:17 dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:38 Phoodus [foo@97-124-127-114.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:49 nope, doesn't cut it 02:02:01 -!- saikat [~saikat@adsl-68-126-196-69.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: saikat] 02:03:29 I recently had a thought. I'm writing a Lisp operating system (I haven't said so to avoid the mocking.) I've been slowly plugging away at a Common Lisp implementation, of my own. Instead of that, how difficult would it be to just embed ECL? 02:03:42 embed ECL in what? 02:04:09 Pardon me, embed ECL into my existing OS code. 02:04:36 (Instead of writing a new implementation.) 02:04:41 Fare: (sb-sys:make-fd-stream (sb-posix:dup 0) ...) ? 02:04:59 or w/o the dup 02:05:29 dralston: I don't know, sorry. I don't really understand. Is your OS code written in Lisp? 02:06:03 adeht, works on unix -- probably not on windows 02:06:31 No, it's written in C. (The memory allocator, etc.) 02:06:45 dralston, ECL probably uses memory protection for its GC... so you have a chicken and egg problem. 02:07:14 someone once embedded SIOD or some other tiny scheme in Linux 02:07:22 -!- dnolen [~dnolen@ool-18bc2fa9.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 02:08:13 Interesting. I was just asking in case anyone with deep ECL experience knew offhand. To the manuals! 02:08:15 on the other hand, tinylisp is meant to be embedded, but it doesn't have a GC 02:08:30 doesn't ecl use libgc ? 02:08:34 <_3b> dralston: have you seen movitz, sbclos, sacla and sicl? 02:09:06 I've seen the first, but not the rest of them. 02:10:10 what's sicl? 02:10:39 <_3b> sicl = beach's CL project 02:11:06 <_3b> minion: sacla 02:11:07 sacla: A partial (as of 2004) Common Lisp implementation written in Common Lisp by Yuji Minejima, under a BSD style license. http://www.cliki.net/sacla 02:11:55 jan247 [~jan247@222.127.22.242] has joined #lisp 02:11:56 -!- jan247 [~jan247@222.127.22.242] has quit [Changing host] 02:11:56 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 02:12:13 <_3b> minion: sicl 02:12:15 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``sicl''. 02:12:24 *_3b* suspected not 02:12:56 -!- Athas [~athas@shop3.diku.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:13:36 <_3b> http://www.lisphacker.com/projects/sbcl-os/project-map/ has some info on sbcl-os 02:14:09 Thanks for the link! 02:15:43 <_3b> sicl info is at http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/sicl.pdf code at http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/SICL/SICL.git/ 02:17:10 -!- qamikaz [~alper@85.107.70.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:17:22 <_3b> you might be able to find more info on sbcl-os if you search the irc logs 02:18:30 minion: sicl 02:18:31 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``sicl''. 02:20:25 Anyhow, I have to depart. Thanks for the resources. 02:20:51 -!- dralston [~dralston@S010600212986cca8.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:56 -!- enth|walk is now known as kraken 02:21:58 -!- kraken is now known as enthymene 02:22:26 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.14.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:05 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 02:28:58 quidnunc [~user@bas16-montreal02-1242356783.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:29:13 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.109.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:30:32 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Quit: Odin-] 02:36:24 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:39:39 _3b: would that just be (eval)? 02:40:30 <_3b> adu: which 'that'? 02:40:43 SICL 02:41:42 <_3b> not really, if i remember right, the long term goal is more LispOS than just lisp implementation 02:42:12 <_3b> and EVAL only works if you have a /whole/ cl to host it on, sicl and sacla are useful when you only have part of a CL 02:42:45 or if sicl is your cl 02:43:17 *p_l* wants to make a lisp where you can drop EVAL if you don't need it (an open source one) 02:43:26 <_3b> CL-in-CL can also be useful when the host CL doesn't support the target platform 02:44:48 nvoorhies [~nvoorhies@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:46:02 p_l: write it in cl :) 02:46:15 *holycow* tries out the /b/ meme 02:46:29 "i see you like to code so i put lisp in your lisp so you can code when you code' 02:46:35 hows that? 02:46:40 too late 02:46:57 -!- mrbug [~user@cpe-67-241-10-210.twcny.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 02:46:57 jordyd [~jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:47:06 ehe 02:47:22 holycow: that's partially the plan... I was thinking of a simplified language on a level similar to C, except with lisp syntax, that could serve to write low-level portions, plus binding to LLVM and Clang to do codegen and FFI 02:47:43 that sounds kind of cool 02:47:45 holycow: http://yoyodawgdawg.com/pics/yo-dawg-lisp.jpg 02:47:47 p_l, have you seen foom's SB-LLVM ? 02:48:01 Fare: so far, not 02:48:03 stassats`: .... OH TOUCHE. 02:48:07 damnit! 02:48:19 that one is much better tho :) 02:48:56 p_l: thinking is cheap, i want MORE CODE 02:49:13 Fare: me looking into ELF/COFF-based fasls was also related to this project (it also interleaves with at least two or three more projects of mine) 02:50:57 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 02:51:50 -!- nvoorhies [~nvoorhies@adsl-76-216-21-95.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info] 02:55:26 p_l: i would call that CL -- Compact Profile 02:56:33 what about (decf CL) ? :) 02:56:59 -!- quidnunc [~user@bas16-montreal02-1242356783.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:40 you mean (log CL) 02:58:42 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-24-219-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:01:26 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:03:32 Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 03:04:12 -!- enthymene [~kraken@adsl-76-242-89-178.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1] 03:05:15 -!- bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:08:07 saikat [~saikat@c-71-202-153-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:03 martin__ [~martin@ip216-239-84-153.vif.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:39 mcm [~martin@ip216-239-95-130.vif.net] has joined #lisp 03:16:52 -!- mcm is now known as mcm- 03:18:25 brandonedens [~brandon@96.238.16.104] has joined #lisp 03:18:56 -!- martin__ [~martin@ip216-239-84-153.vif.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:20:48 bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 03:21:53 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 03:23:16 jan247 [~jan247@222.127.22.242] has joined #lisp 03:23:16 -!- jan247 [~jan247@222.127.22.242] has quit [Changing host] 03:23:16 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 03:24:17 nunb [~nundan@59.178.161.28] has joined #lisp 03:24:57 -!- TDT [~user@173-17-83-225.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:29 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:27:13 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 03:28:53 -!- DrForr [~drforr@pool-173-58-135-135.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:30:46 -!- Nshag [~shag@lns-bzn-35-82-250-253-135.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:31:01 DrForr [~drforr@pool-173-58-135-135.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:19 -!- Fare [~Fare@c-24-218-127-11.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37:28 so, what was the fate of Statice? 03:38:09 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:01 adeht: pricy licenses and little development because the platform is near-dead? I do recall that some older Object Databases from early 90s were done by people who worked on Statice 03:39:11 adeht: i think it is still part of symbolics IP 03:39:29 p_l: dan weinreb in particular 03:39:56 *Xach* has an Object-Oriented Databases book with a paper by Weinreb & others on Statice's design 03:40:03 and yes, it's still part of Symbolics' IP, and you can, in theory, buy it together with OpenGenera or one of Symbolics' LispMs 03:40:25 dys` [~andreas@krlh-5f727528.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 03:40:28 looks like it had its own file system? 03:41:46 like many databases 03:42:24 did the unix port include this? 03:42:45 -!- dys [~andreas@krlh-5f72d672.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:43:03 dunno 03:43:07 -!- dys` is now known as dys 03:43:08 hmm... debugger invoked on a SIMPLE-ERROR in thread #: Maximum error nesting depth exceeded 03:43:49 -!- Adamant [~Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:43:50 triggered by 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embed ECL in a C application, I have an existing struct inside said application - is there an easy way to define the structure for access within ECL or do I have to use UFFI's (def-struct ...) and manually enter all the struct members? 10:52:35 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 10:53:55 ECL has its own FFI which can do that for you at the C source level, iirc. 10:53:58 antifuchs: alright 10:54:02 we haven't had breakfast yet 10:54:26 Ah, although you probably need to enter all of the members manually, still. 10:54:31 antifuchs: give us a call 10:54:34 -!- tcr [~tcr@84.119.106.199] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:57:05 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:57:08 jan247 [~jan247@120.28.114.31] has joined #lisp 10:57:08 -!- jan247 [~jan247@120.28.114.31] has quit [Changing host] 10:57:08 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 10:57:24 fractalis: why would you use UFFI over CFFI? 11:00:27 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:02:07 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.164.40.42] has joined #lisp 11:02:12 Ralith: CFFI support seems to be provided independently from ECL. Is CFFI the preferred library for dealing with FFI? 11:02:52 fractalis: in general, yes. Your specific case may be better off with ECL's own mechanism; I don't know anything about that. 11:04:18 -!- maacl [~mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: maacl] 11:04:20 Zhivago: I'm not compiling Lisp to C before hand, if that makes any difference. I have several functions implemented that I expose to ECL, but the script is called at run-time consisting of the Lisp that needs to be executed. 11:07:18 fractalis: ECL compiles lisp to C for you. 11:08:27 fractalis: So if you were to, say, compile the lisp struct accessors before hand and link with your executable ... 11:08:42 Well, I don't know if that's appropriate for your use-cae. 11:09:37 Hi all 11:10:10 I have a rather strange issue with SBCL: I can't get a core that has ASDF properly loaded 11:11:27 nevermind 11:11:52 I was running a bare SBCL, not Debian's 11:12:02 it always help to ask the question 11:12:52 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 11:23:23 -!- finalprefix [~finalpref@59.164.40.42] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:24:58 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 11:33:06 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 11:35:28 mrbug [~user@cpe-67-241-10-210.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:37:27 Xach [~xach@cpe-72-227-90-1.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:51:26 -!- pix4 [~pixel@212.60.130.33] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:56:47 pix4 [~pixel@212.60.130.33] has joined #lisp 11:58:20 wow, that scrolling `thing' on github is eating 50% of my CPU 11:58:54 fiveop [~fiveop@e179160040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:59:53 close the tab and it goes back to 1%, that's just fscking sad 12:01:45 -!- milanj [~milan@211.22.24.217.adsl2.dyn.beograd.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:02:06 gmornin 12:02:48 mornin' 12:04:49 bytecolor: that's just fscking flash :P 12:04:57 (or a crappy javascript impl) 12:05:01 (I forget which github uses) 12:05:11 (if you're on firefox, blame javascript and switch to chrome) 12:06:07 heya schme. 12:07:19 Hello tic 12:07:52 tic: I guess I could just look.. I have just today returned to opera, and in chrome I have it so I can switch tabs with my scrolly wheel.. is possible to set this up in the opera, yes? 12:08:53 schme, nothing I use myself, so I don't know off the top of my head. 12:09:30 this opera support IRC channel sucks then (: 12:09:36 :D 12:09:56 I haven't given in to Chrome yet, thought about it, but meh 12:10:17 ohyeah, you can. right mouse button and scroll. 12:10:18 nah. firefox javascript isn't THAT bad. 12:10:41 bytecolor: I had a chrome accident and got very upset with it. Before that I was deeply in love with it. 12:10:59 that behaviour is actually quite awesome. thanks for pointing out, schme 12:11:03 tic: That doesn't work :P 12:11:13 huh? 12:11:27 right click and scroll does nothing for me. 12:11:39 most certainly does for me. try doing it in another tab. 12:12:23 nope 12:12:36 I don't have mouse gestures enabled. Maybe that interfers with things? 12:12:37 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Quit: +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++] 12:13:04 http://www.opera.com/browser/tutorials/gestures/ 12:13:21 *schme* has no idea. 12:13:28 Well more couchrequests to send then (: 12:13:33 How is tic doing? 12:14:08 he's doing quite well. just input some notes from a book, see if I can write up proper review later today. You? 12:14:19 -!- slash_ [~Unknown@p4FF0AC67.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:14:37 (I'm using 10.10 beta, fwiw) 12:16:27 -!- daniel___ is now known as daniel 12:16:38 lookin' for hosts in stockholm. Hopefully SJ will be able to get me there this thursday. 12:17:01 what will happen there? 12:18:05 -!- sledge [~sledge@pdpc/supporter/student/sledge] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:18:15 It would seem I have an anatomy exam to do, and then a couple of days of sitting in a classroom learning more anatomy and some other .. for the "international license". Also SATS wanted to talk to me. 12:19:44 and a whole day of sightseeing \o/ 12:20:12 I find stockholm a very weird city. the culture up north is a bit.. odd. and they talk funny :) 12:21:39 a-ha. 12:21:43 they sure do. 12:22:00 Alright, sounds like fun, I guess? 12:22:53 Sure it'll be a blast. just 10-11hrs daily in a class room saturday through thursday is a bit.. odd on the head. 12:22:54 Im already jealous. even tho stockholm isnt supposed to be the capital of cheap drinks. 12:22:56 is all good. 12:23:09 pix4: Stockholm is nothing to be jealous of :) 12:23:30 Im a man of low standards :p 12:24:21 I live in southern sweden and well.. natural borders say we are danish, so the sensible thing is to take a big saw and saw the northern part off and we can go back to being danish :) 12:24:38 -!- OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@222-154-177-77.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:24:55 apparently, skånska is harder for Danes to understand than e.g. Göteborgska. 12:25:13 Excellent. 12:25:28 at least, that's what she said... 12:25:35 Some old danes say that danish is degenerating into incomprehensible garbage. 12:25:44 yeah, lack of phonemes. 12:26:05 Atleast they have a queen who has the common sense to sit in front of the castle and smoke cigars and have a beer. 12:26:10 or maybe she resigned. 12:26:12 have to do a ten-minute conversation backtracking to know which of the ten words a specific sound is supposed to mean. 12:26:17 hehehehe. 12:27:05 I get highly annoyed at P1, the radio station which is the only good one anyway. Everytime they have some danish person on they translate it to swedish. But not when they have norweigans on there. 12:27:16 And norweigan I don't understand a word off. 12:27:32 Really? Norwegian is dead-simple. 12:27:59 after a week in Roskilde, I thought they a bunch of Norwegians were speaking Swedish. :-) 12:28:02 I thought if you can speak swedish you'd get along nicely in scandinavia... well, not including iceland... 12:28:32 Yeah. 12:28:34 tic: That's what I feel about danish you see. danish is dead simple. 12:28:40 s/thought/believed/ 12:28:41 schme, o_O 12:28:55 the one norweigan makes no sense to me, and the OTHER norwegian language even less. 12:29:10 pix4: finnish is also a bit.. not so easily understood :) 12:29:16 pix4: Iceland works well, because most of them speak something they call "scandinavian" which is like a mixture of Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish. 12:29:20 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 12:29:25 Heyo beach 12:29:30 hey schme 12:29:48 beach: heh. it also has similarities to german language :/ 12:29:57 beach, an Icelandic colleague talked Scandinavian with me. Was understandable, indeed. 12:30:07 I understand you managed to avoid centruries of indoctrination on the part of many successive Swedish governments to make you believe you are really Swedish. 12:30:19 schme, I've been taking Danish classes with L.O.C. ;-) 12:30:46 schme: They did a much better job on members of my family (other than me). 12:32:58 -!- kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:33:38 beach: tbh I have some problems with nationalities. To me "swedish" and "danish" ("iranian" "greek" "japanese" whetever) is just a word in a passport. But well.. from living in malmoe and now having visited stockholm and having a student from northern sweden living here.. It really is somewhat of a cultural difference between "Skane" and "Sweden". 12:33:59 I can't exactly put my finger on it though. 12:34:41 schme: In reality, nations are very artificial, and there is really a continuum of cultures and languages from nothern Sweden to Austria. 12:35:53 Yah. 12:36:16 I just like people then . eheheh :) 12:36:38 TDT [~user@173-17-83-225.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 12:37:24 *beach* must go 12:38:37 ta ta 12:38:41 cheers. 12:38:48 bless bless 12:39:15 I wonder if this cold and extremely soar throat I have, that got worse from yesterday, is a sign that I should go out for a run and do some lactic acid training. 12:39:18 (: 12:39:24 .... 12:39:33 *tic* thwaps schme 12:40:01 schme: or put on sth warm and hack compilers ;) 12:40:02 two weeks and I think I will have time to get back to lisping :D been off it all year long. wooo! 12:40:09 pix4: You a compiler hacker? 12:40:29 pix4: Actually I intend to pick up my mcclim notekeeping software again. 12:40:30 umh... well .. erh... doesn't count. 12:40:50 Is there something lisp to interact with google calendar and google mail and whatnot? 12:41:36 schme: i've heard of a few unpublished projects for that (i have one of my own for lispmeeting/google calendar integration) 12:41:57 Ah. the lisp plague strikes again .) 12:42:18 schme: drakma + cxml is all you need to throw something simple together 12:42:28 it's all atom feeds 12:44:06 the day I'll put my compiler on some website I expect lots of bruahaha. 12:44:25 Xach: See my knowledge of webtechnology is just about limited to a course on "webdesign" I took back in highschool. So I was hoping for something ready made. (: But it seems I will google up some introductionary text then :) 12:44:28 what does it compile, pix4 ? 12:44:41 some shrunk down lisp 12:44:58 Arc ? 12:45:02 Qi? Kernel? 12:45:06 Eeek! 12:45:18 Eeek! is a good name 12:45:25 roftl! 12:45:48 makes me think.. "biddy-biddy-bong-bong.." 12:45:49 I call it "tré" 12:46:02 mm, brie... 12:46:14 biddy-mehen 12:47:15 it's somewhat oriented at common lisp. 12:48:35 schme: covering the subset of functionality needed for a specific task is way easier than proper coverage of all the data and features 12:48:54 schme: my calendar stuff, for example, just extracts a little bit of stuff. same with my blogger thing. 12:48:55 -!- lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Quit: Want lisppaste in your channel? Email lisppaste-requests AT common-lisp.net.] 12:48:59 lisppaste [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 12:50:09 the simplest thing that just might work is mostly sufficient :) 12:50:55 -!- Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:42 Xach: Sounds a good plan. Building it from what you need and adding as you go. and if it turns out you needed it all.. well maybe a redesign (: 12:52:54 schme: i'd love to do a 100% solution for Google data services (and Amazon, and Flickr, and...) but it's time-consuming. 12:54:18 You best trick someone into paying you to do it (: 12:55:17 Nshag [user@lns-bzn-53-82-65-5-139.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:56:11 -!- drewc [~drewc@89.16.166.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:49 Hmm. For alists, I'm running into an interesting issue. On project 12 of project euler, I want to save something such as: '((1 (1)) (3 (1 3)) (6 (1 2 3 6)) ...). From all the alist examples defining something like this, like: (setf *z* (list (cons 1 (list 1)) (cons 6 (list 1 2 3 6)) ..)), I get ((1 1) (6 1 2 3 6)) and so on. Conceptually I understand what's going on, the cdr is pointing to the beginning of the list so things are 12:56:49 appended, but how does one represent that kind of general structure? 12:57:21 <_3b> s/cons/list/ ? 12:58:15 -!- bipt [bpt@cpe-075-182-095-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:58:21 The goal of what I'm trying to do is each new natural number to find the max element of the alist that divides evenly, then compute from that up to n, then merge the two lists to get the new divisors for that n, appending it to this structure, and going on with life..trying nto to compute things mroe than once. 12:59:11 _3b: wow it was as simple as that...I gotta get better at the whole cons/list stuff, a bit of the structure is still foggy to me. 12:59:16 Thanks 13:01:32 TDT, (cons 1 2) produces (1 . 2), while (cons 1 (list 2)) produces (1 . (2 . nil)) aka (1 2) 13:01:54 rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:02:43 note that ((1 2)(3 4)) <=> ((1 . (2 . nil)) (3 . (4 . nil)) 13:03:04 i.e. an alist having list values and a list of lists can be identical. 13:04:17 That helps in visualizing what's going on. 13:04:35 there used to be a bot here that would draw box and arrow diagrams of lists 13:04:49 trebor_home [~user@dslb-084-058-248-247.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:25 got taken down due to fragility, I think 13:08:27 yeah, it didn't have cycle detection 13:08:54 I think what'll help most if if I read through both PCL on this again, and pick up a few other books that go into the actual data structure discussion and that'll help solidify the knowledge a bit more. 13:09:38 TDT, another book that has good diagrams is Gentle Intro 13:09:42 minion, tell TDT about gentle 13:09:42 TDT: have a look at gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 13:11:44 -!- spoofy [~spoof@78.31.74.25] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:11:51 -!- mbohun [~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:38 That's one book I haven't looked at yet, but will. Thanks Adlai 13:17:53 minion, extol upon the virtues of coding in lisp 13:17:54 i like lisp... i'm written in it 13:18:26 wow. impressive... 13:18:51 unicode [~user@95.214.51.229] has joined #lisp 13:20:33 minion, what does pix4 stand for? 13:20:33 a banana 13:20:46 minion, what does minion stand for? 13:20:46 %^p 13:20:46 Misreader Inoculable Northest Ineducation Osteocystoma Nemesic 13:21:44 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25:07 varjag [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 13:25:09 -!- rswarbrick [rupert@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:26:37 minion: what do I stand for? 13:26:38 a man, a plan, a canal - panama 13:34:52 -!- metasyntax [~taylor@pool-71-127-125-129.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 13:36:43 -!- xinming_ is now known as xinming 13:37:45 minion: what is a programmer? 13:37:46 maybe you need to ask my master, chandler - he knows a lot 13:38:32 minion: a programmer is a device to turn coffee into code 13:38:33 i don't agree - a programmer isn't a device to turn coffee into code 13:39:08 How about a device to turn coffee into boilerplate? :) 13:40:41 Blkt [~user@net-93-145-61-8.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has joined #lisp 13:42:03 jmbr [~jmbr@130.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:42:20 minion: programmer? 13:42:20 programmer: is a device to turn coffee into code 13:43:07 !?!? 13:43:21 smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:44:14 minion, how can you say such a thing? 13:44:15 does torturing a poor bot with things beyond its comprehension please you? 13:44:24 yes 13:57:05 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 13:57:11 -!- spacebat [~akhasha@ppp118-210-161-199.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:57:19 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@192.165.126.74] has left #lisp 13:57:39 sykopomp [~user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 13:59:03 spacebat [~akhasha@ppp121-45-69-27.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:01 -!- arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:07:13 -!- mrbug [~user@cpe-67-241-10-210.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:07:40 -!- c|mell [~cmell@cpc3-colc5-0-0-cust193.colc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:09:04 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483F753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:07 Yuuhi [benni@p5483F753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:46 arbscht [~arbscht@unaffiliated/arbscht] has joined #lisp 14:13:24 LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-123-60.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:15:25 Jabberwockey [~jens@port-12256.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 14:15:35 rickardg [~user@c213-89-196-180.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 14:15:48 reprore [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:16:38 maacl [~mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 14:19:44 -!- smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:24:43 -!- maacl [~mac@0x573526c8.virnxx17.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:59 Ecstasy [~tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999] has joined #lisp 14:28:34 mrbug [~user@cpe-67-241-10-210.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:36 -!- j4k0b [~j4k0b@1503024517.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [] 14:30:51 japhy [~user@chello084112070215.10.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 14:31:08 unicode_ [~user@95.214.16.82] has joined #lisp 14:31:10 -!- japhy [~user@chello084112070215.10.11.vie.surfer.at] has left #lisp 14:31:26 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:38 mpasternacki [~user@chello084112070215.10.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 14:31:48 hi 14:32:18 -!- Jabberwockey [~jens@port-12256.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:07 -!- Paraselene_ [~Not@79-67-146-129.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: "That's our secret... we kill you with kindness. 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Does X not listen on inet ports by default anymore? 15:46:29 hi Blkt 15:48:06 Hello fe[nl]ix. 15:48:22 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-72-228-72-196.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:50:16 tcr [~tcr@84.119.106.199] has joined #lisp 15:51:05 Ugh. The server is started -nolisten tcp for some unfathomable reason. :-/ 15:54:46 -!- Zephyrus__ is now known as Zephyrus 15:57:43 -!- slaker [~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:57:51 meingbg [~meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:10 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483F753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03:02 bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:07:21 -!- Blkt [~user@net-93-145-61-8.t2.dsl.vodafone.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:09:06 TR2N [email@89.180.136.193] has joined #lisp 16:09:06 -!- meingbg [~meingbg@173-45-238-108.slicehost.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:25 *nyef* sighs. 16:13:33 So much for running mplayer in a chroot. :-/ 16:13:45 -!- Ecstasy [~tt@unaffiliated/samuel9999] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:15:13 nyef: ? 16:16:02 how could you implement call-next-method ? 16:16:04 p_l: My gentoo system is becoming increasingly untenable for general use, and I can't risk breaking some of the critical things that -do- work, but I have a debian chroot on it... 16:16:31 PissedNumlock: Traditionally, with a code-walker, as unnecessary as it seems to me. 16:17:18 PissedNumlock: That said, I'm sure AMOP has a lengthy discussion of the matter. 16:18:25 whats a code-walker? 16:18:30 but yes, Ill guess ill look into amop 16:18:41 make-method-lambda takes a lambda expression and compiles it with the local function around 16:19:21 PissedNumlock: I'm not sure AMOP will be too helpful. But look at p44. 16:21:17 *nyef* shakes his head. 16:21:20 (erm, doesn't compile it -- it returns a lambda expression to be compiled) 16:21:24 Why do we have a codewalker again? 16:23:10 mhhh, guess I cant just create lambda for the defmethod's body, as I can not get call-next-method into its scope then 16:23:44 nyef: I guess for optimization purposes 16:24:35 adeht: I'm -completely failing- to see why, still. But at the same time, I'm not so bothered as to actually investigate yet. 16:24:52 PissedNumlock: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b692l/anyone_for_perl_6_metaprogramming/c0l794g shows how to procedurally add a method 16:25:01 (Too much else going on before I turn to CLOS guts.) 16:25:34 alternatively, you can google for `mutilooted'.. apparently I am the first to coin that term on the 'net 16:26:04 I love how I always find quotes from Pascal :p 16:26:18 Jabberwockey [~jens@port-12256.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 16:26:41 it's for his course I am looking how to do this, we had to implement a small CLOS, but didnt have to implement call-next-method 16:26:49 (but I want to do it anyways) 16:27:20 but I already knew that adeht, we are working with Lisp without clos and try to implement our own 16:27:34 although a simple version without a whole meta-protocol 16:28:03 jordyd [~jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:48 qamikaz [~alper@85.107.70.129] has joined #lisp 16:36:55 nyef: yeah, but why is it problematic to run mplayer in chroot? 16:37:09 Don't know, just got a screenfull of errors when I tried it. 16:37:29 I blame ALSA, of course, since they're all ALSA errors. 16:37:43 Except for the one OSS error about having been denied access to /dev/dsp. 16:38:41 -!- bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:39:31 -!- TR2N [email@89.180.136.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:40:51 -!- Krystof changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL 1.0.36, CLSQL 5.0.4 16:42:22 Ah. Permissions issue, apparently. 16:42:31 I can do it as root, just not as a user. 16:43:13 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:43:29 fasta [~d9802b93@gateway/web/freenode/x-cxcxqpzdnhkunngh] has joined #lisp 16:44:03 lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-75-83-150-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:44:22 Krystof: We're out of code-freeze? 16:44:45 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.164.41.169] has joined #lisp 16:45:09 yes 16:45:11 please go wild 16:45:25 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:30 pix4 [~pixel@212.60.130.33] has joined #lisp 16:45:46 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:46:04 It seems everyone is extremely excited about Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid. Why is that? Is it just that it was a nice book for its time or is it just that I already was aware of 98% of its contents before I read it? 16:46:08 like a blister in the sun 16:46:50 fasta: I don't think anyone was excited about it because of your pre-existing awareness. 16:47:31 splittist: yes, that's perfect logic of you. 16:49:36 slaker [~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 16:50:11 fasta: to be slightly more serious, I think you have to project yourself back into a time when there was no internet, so popular discussion of the topics addressed in GEB was fairly hard to come by. 16:50:43 there was no internet at one time? 16:50:46 omg 16:51:02 fasta: and European communism hadn't collapsed, so totalizing narratives were more in vogue. Lots of crazy stuff in the 70s and 80s, man. 16:51:04 I would venture to suggest that there still is little discussion about the structure of Bach's works on the Internet 16:51:37 sebyte [~sebyte@213.229.74.8] has joined #lisp 16:51:40 valerio^ [~aabbcc@host234-31-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 16:51:42 heh, and Krystof is probably the only one of us who has actively sought out such discussion 16:51:56 let's put it this way. If you read GEB as if it were a textbook, with your only goal the quick acquisition of facts, you might well find it disappointing 16:52:06 if you read it as a story, it's much better 16:52:22 I guess one can get to know more than he/she every wanted about bach at any community college that teaches music. 16:52:27 particularly since I suspect it's rather more than 2% fiction (so I worry about your 98% figure) 16:52:29 splittist: yes, that seems plausible. IMHO, "popular explanations" are terrible, though(the original sources often contain much clearer arguments). I would not say GEB is terrible, though, just a bit slowish. 16:52:43 TR2N [email@89-180-134-25.net.novis.pt] has joined #lisp 16:52:55 -!- valerio^ [~aabbcc@host234-31-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #lisp 16:53:21 s/every/ever/ 16:53:38 sebyte pasted "funcalling cars of lists" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/95740 16:53:43 bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:09 mega1 [~quassel@53d828c5.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 16:54:50 hi all, i've crystallised the problem down to the above (esp. _3b and Xach if you're listening) 16:56:03 <_3b> sebyte: annotate with the expansion of that call to with-check ? 16:56:08 -!- finalprefix [~finalpref@59.164.41.169] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:56:12 *_3b* is too lazy to actually think at the moment 16:56:23 sebyte: yes, that's exactly what i mentioned yesterday. 16:56:32 *Xach* has no energy for re-explanation 16:56:46 sebyte: either unquote the check variable name or put it in parens in the lambda list 16:56:58 <_3b> oh, are you don't the finction and variable with the same name thing again? 16:57:03 <_3b> *are you doing 16:58:06 actually, (funcall ,(car check) ...) would be nicest 16:58:18 if you don't want to (defmacro with-check ((check) ... 16:58:26 *pix4* passes _3b and Xach "German eye-openers" (too much coffee w/ too much cream and too much sugar) 16:58:57 <_3b> there is no such thing as too much sugar 16:59:17 -!- pavelludiq [~quassel@87.246.14.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:18 *Xach* thought the "German Eye Opener" was the thing at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark 16:59:33 never heard of that one 16:59:45 *Krystof* giggles 17:01:33 heh 17:02:01 -!- LiamH [~nobody@pool-72-75-123-60.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:02:58 -!- pjb [~t@160.Red-88-30-106.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:03:18 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.164.41.169] has joined #lisp 17:03:38 -!- Sumpen [~Sumpen@81-232-77-93-no46.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Planned down time ^^] 17:11:01 -!- nunb [~nundan@59.178.169.48] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:11:06 Yuuhi [benni@p5483F753.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:09 pjb [~t@95.124.64.51] has joined #lisp 17:14:29 Okay, that's one hack out of my working tree. 17:15:43 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:53 *sebyte* was convinced the quote was required due to erroneous conclusions drawn yesterday, and now wonders when the day will come when he learns something on this channel without feeling stupid. 17:16:04 thanks guys 17:16:26 -!- finalprefix [~finalpref@59.164.41.169] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:16:46 sebyte: feeling like being surrounded by idiots wouldn't exactly make life better 17:17:23 good point :) 17:18:42 -!- fasta [~d9802b93@gateway/web/freenode/x-cxcxqpzdnhkunngh] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:19:37 The day will come as soon as you decide to stop feeling stupid when you make a mistake. 17:20:07 "I'm not stupid; I just have bad luck when I think." 17:20:39 tic: nice 17:20:44 mrbug [~user@cpe-67-241-10-210.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:20:49 LOL 17:20:52 ... Way to disclaim responsibility. 17:20:57 nyef: kind words 17:22:45 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:05 wetware needs a frightening amount of adjustments to function passably, doesn't it. and reflecting on it is dangerous, in that it causes a need for more adjustments 17:24:45 also, there is no spec on "proper functioning" either. 17:24:55 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483F753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:25:18 OT: anyone wonder why Chile's earthquake was 16 times more powerful than Haiti's, yet it only killed a few hundred, compared to a hundred thousand? it can't just be down to dodgy architecture can it? there must be other factors, population density perhaps. 17:26:09 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:22 Geography, practice, etc.? 17:27:16 Clojure overflowed on Stefan Richter's scale 17:29:40 Chile is a significantly more economically developed country than Haiti, they were probably much better prepared. 17:29:46 -!- jordyd [~jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:30:09 -!- Draggor [~Draggor@216-80-120-145.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.static.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30:24 rdd` [~rdd@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:31:06 spoofy [~spoof@78.31.74.25] has joined #lisp 17:31:21 -!- rdd [~user@c83-250-52-182.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:21 Chile also keeps the record for strongest recoded earthquake in history (1960).. 17:31:28 mk [~user@159.92.64.121] has joined #lisp 17:31:56 -!- mk is now known as Guest32111 17:32:22 -!- rdd` is now known as rdd 17:32:26 perhaps there are different 'kinds' of quakes that make them more lethal and that the measure of their force isn't the best indicator of their lethality (if that's a word) 17:32:53 yeah.. <_death> binrapt should make a song, Mercalli XIII [01:29] 17:33:22 eh? 17:33:31 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercalli_intensity_scale 17:33:46 in .de everything has to be built earthquake-proof. earthquakes would probably give us just lots of spoilt underwear. ;p 17:34:05 Chile does have a functioning government, which apparently cannot quite be said for Haiti 17:34:31 -!- qamikaz [~alper@85.107.70.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:34 Hey, what was the unusual thing about the application of lambda calculus to fexprs? Was it that the terms were types instead of whatever they normally are? 17:36:15 carlocci [~nes@93.37.205.254] has joined #lisp 17:36:47 adeht: Thanks for that link (never heard of it before). 17:36:53 jordyd [~jordyd@99-177-65-75.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:31 pix4: i wish i could say the same about istanbul! 17:39:03 Ah, fexpr instead of lambda. 17:40:46 <_8david> sebyte: you can say it, it would just be incorrect. same with germany. 17:41:35 Athas [~athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 17:42:58 phoarrh... havent had SUCH stormy weather for ages... 17:43:12 ... Random thought: Are house-boats earthquake-proof? 17:43:48 nyef: are you hacking the sbcl-compiler? 17:44:00 nyef: yes. But they're not tsunamy-proof. 17:44:01 right to the point where you meet the tsunami 17:44:37 nyef: I'd bet rather on a plane or satellite. 17:45:00 pix4: Yes-and-no. I have a few compiler hacks in process and a pile on the "to investigate" list, but right now I'm actually trying to read a whitepaper about proof-carrying-code. 17:45:14 pjb: Hot-air balloon or dirigible? 17:45:18 I read about DAPLEX yesterday 17:45:40 nyef: yes. But it's even more expensive than boat, to live up there all the time. 17:45:54 proof-carrying code? like for air-planes? 17:46:27 pix4: Yes. Instead of sending the proof via commercial air carrier, send it via software. 17:47:30 pix4: Anyway, you were asking about the sbcl compiler? 17:47:53 nyef: couldn't get through it. too complicated. 17:48:22 Mmm. I -still- don't understand most of the compiler. 17:53:00 I find ~:(~) pretty useless; I wish they rather specified ~:( to interpret *PRINT-CASE* instead. 17:53:42 ... Is that an emoticon of someone with a bit of spinach between their teeth? 17:54:28 A shouting chicken. 17:54:33 Well, a mohawk and a bit of spinach...? 17:55:01 Yeah, I can kindof see the shouting chicken interpretation. 17:58:02 slash_ [~Unknown@p4FF0AC67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:37 How can i make class defintions visible in other src files? 17:59:27 slash_: you have to load the files containing the definitions first 17:59:40 (optionally, but usually done, compiling those files first) 17:59:49 But the file contains loads of other code. 18:00:04 Should i define classes in seperate file? 18:01:06 -!- getha [~thijs@83.98.233.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:01:14 Don't forget package issues. 18:01:31 files* 18:03:29 finalprefix [~finalpref@59.164.41.169] has joined #lisp 18:05:23 deathdefineslife [~jot_n@h-60-147.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 18:06:04 -!- bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:07:42 daniel___ [~daniel@p5082FEB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:08:34 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 18:09:13 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082F48A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09:29 thijso [~thijs@83.98.233.115] has joined #lisp 18:12:02 Is it necessary that the package name equals the file name? 18:12:11 No, it is not. 18:13:05 And how does the lisp interpreter find it then if i use a :use? 18:13:27 minion: packages 18:13:27 packages: http://weitz.de/packages.html http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/programming-in-the-large-packages-and-symbols.html http://flownet.com/ron/packages.pdf 18:14:15 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 18:15:16 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@222-154-177-77.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 18:15:16 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 18:18:14 Omg 18:18:22 Now i remember. 18:18:46 If i use in-package it hides all the symbols in the default package. 18:21:48 How is that supposed to work then? I can't switch between my package and cl-user in my code all the time. 18:22:12 bigjust [~jcaratzas@adsl-074-232-230-165.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:21 slash_, when you define your package, you probably want to (:use #:cl) 18:22:46 clhs defpackage 18:22:46 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_defpkg.htm 18:24:23 -!- tompa [~thomas@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:24:25 slash_: PCL should cover how it's usually done 18:24:37 just read through the above links 18:24:55 -!- deathdefineslife [~jot_n@h-60-147.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 18:25:57 -!- easyE [zrYSK5HFZW@panix3.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:26:51 -!- bhyde [~Adium@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 18:27:57 tompa [~thomas@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:38 -!- RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.19.113.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:41 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.19.113.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 18:30:47 sbahra [~sbahra@2002:62da:45b3:1234:21d:e0ff:fe00:f7ab] has joined #lisp 18:32:56 -!- stipet [~user@c83-253-28-60.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:36:48 varjagg [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 18:39:39 -!- varjag [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:40:34 -!- tcr [~tcr@84.119.106.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:41:35 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:46 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:45:15 smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:46:11 airolson [~airolson@CPE000ae6922d9c-CM001cea397dac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 18:46:50 anyone who knows about some parenscript killer-application? 18:47:57 ... Why do people keep looking for "killer application"s? Is it not sufficient that something just tends to be "better" in some sense for some uses over time? 18:49:13 okok. maybe just some application at all. last time I checked it didnt even have return values for all expressions (which seems to have changed last months) 18:51:03 I seem to recall hearing about a javascript library (parenscript?) involving a CPS-transformer at some point, to the dismay of much of the user community. 18:51:17 But I'm afraid that I can't really comment beyond that. 18:51:35 jwacs, iirc. 18:51:42 nyef: what dismay? jwacs was nice. 18:51:47 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE000ae6922d9c-CM001cea397dac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:48 still is. 18:52:04 airolson [~airolson@CPE000ae6922d9c-CM001cea397dac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 18:52:33 This is a vague memory at best, and I presently have little interest in javascript, so I'm going to bow out now. 18:52:38 that javascript event-pingpong bloats your code beyond reason 18:53:06 pix: Well, if you don't structure it properly ... 18:53:39 pix4: parenscript doesn't need killer app, IMHO 18:54:31 it's enough of a killer for me that I can read the code better. Death to map(function(function(){...},function(){...}){...},x); stuff :) 18:55:54 I gradually get to learn to take more care of what Im typing :p 18:56:13 -!- rabar [~jonathans@129-2-175-87.wireless.umd.edu] has left #lisp 18:56:15 Until one day you'll be able to get "I'm" right. :) 18:58:23 Zhivago: so... what did I structure wrong? 18:58:37 pix: "Im" isn't a word. 18:59:02 -!- mega1 [~quassel@53d828c5.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:28 mega1 [~quassel@53d828c5.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 19:00:14 jeez. ok. I'm not believing you. =} 19:00:54 -!- varjagg [~eugene@226.119.202.84.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:03 Well, you're probably a religious nutjob, anyhow. 19:01:22 -!- Lycurgus [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Exeunt IRC] 19:02:29 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-24-219-82.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:10 -!- tompa [~thomas@h59ec27fb.sehjjak.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has left #lisp 19:09:07 -!- reprore [~reprore@ntkngw356150.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:51 does parenscript import any code from the common lisp environment or do you have to do it all again? 19:14:57 You have to do it all again :-) 19:16:00 -!- Kolyan [~nartamono@95-26-229-48.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 19:16:20 kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:58 heh. challenge ahead! 19:18:09 -!- RaceCondition 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lemonodor] 20:11:34 http://vc.quadium.net/darcs/rpc-api/trunk/doc/README 20:13:18 OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 20:14:06 RaceCondition [~RaceCondi@82.131.19.113.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 20:15:26 danlei [~user@pD9E2E788.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:16:50 runningscared [~runningsc@250.127.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:17:15 -!- runningscared [~runningsc@250.127.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:18:59 faux [~user@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #lisp 20:19:57 jewel [~jewel@41.29.8.110] has joined #lisp 20:20:37 kejsaren [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:18 how do you use clbuild's current sbcl to build a new sbcl? is including target/bin in $PATH safe? 20:22:16 -!- kejsaren_ [~kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:22:31 -!- Sergio` [~Sergio`@a89-152-187-26.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:23:51 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aye. thanks. 20:50:26 What the heck. cl-sql provides its own copy of UFFI yet it can't compile because it's passing an illegal argument to a UFFI macro. 20:50:27 would anyone recommend against going this route? 20:50:31 Or am I just being stupid. 20:51:47 smanek [~smanek@cpe-68-175-104-21.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:51:49 Shaftoe: I think I would. The generic dispatch mechanism of CL wasn't really designed for that kind of stuff. 20:51:58 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE000ae6922d9c-CM001cea397dac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: airolson] 20:52:06 so what's a good lispy way of doing this? 20:52:25 (aside from simply erecting the scaffholding myself) 20:52:36 Shaftoe: That depends of what "this" is! 20:52:38 doing it yourself is pretty lispy ;D 20:52:45 heh. 20:53:15 Shaftoe: what exactly are you mapping each string to? 20:53:16 sbcl has extended dispatch 20:53:20 beach: Xof has a paper on extensible specialisers that has string= dispatch as an example. 20:53:21 a function, or output? 20:53:40 this is a web server. And I Want to have a file /compilation unit/whatever, where I will add simple actions that correspond to the server's /actions/blah url 20:53:41 e.g. 20:53:56 example.com/actions/login would be automatically serviced by 20:54:08 (defaction login () (do-stuff) ) 20:54:46 Shaftoe: Hunchentoot does something similar. Perhaps you want to check out the way it is done there. 20:54:49 doesn't just about every web framework out there do that?... 20:54:55 and HT :P 20:55:16 yeah, I am using hunchentoot, however, hunchentoot declares the dispatch table ahead of time. 20:55:31 you can use your own dispatcher 20:56:01 -!- jewel [~jewel@41.26.93.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:56:14 I guess that's where I'm going to end up, but how would I make it so that I can make a macro that lets me add a definition in one file and not have to modify the dispatcher itself (i.e. one gigantic cond statement) 20:56:37 my ultimate goal is to type the word "login" only once, not have to go into the dispatcher and change the cond - which is error prone. 20:56:42 you could use a hash-table 20:57:01 mapping action names to actions 20:57:05 ah. good idea. so the macro would "register" the call in a hash 20:57:21 the macro would expand into code that registers. 20:57:34 Is clsql the state of the art way to talk to RDBMSes from CL? 20:57:45 so what I'm hearing here is that ther'es no standard way of doing this (e.g. through method specialization) and that I should just make this happen on my own time. 20:57:59 gigamonkey: I don't think so. There's a couple lighter libraries for postgre, at least. 20:58:16 gigamonkey: fwiw: I use it to talk to MSSQL over the wire and it has so far not failed me. 20:58:19 Shaftoe: it's all very standard, just not built in. 20:58:23 I see. I see one for sqlite too. 20:58:38 Shaftoe: yeah.. you could look for the deftable macro or something 21:00:07 alright. thanks y'alls 21:00:07 xan_ [~xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:03:42 Edward_ [Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-10-177.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:05:48 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:06:07 JonSmith [~jon@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:08:34 -!- Shaftoe [~Moe111@bas1-montreal02-1096724744.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Shaftoe] 21:08:37 -!- porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:08:45 -!- xan_ [~xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:09:01 xan_ [~xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:10:59 -!- adeht [~death@bzq-84-110-240-127.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:11:44 pavelludiq [~quassel@91.139.192.207] has joined #lisp 21:12:03 varjag 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I'm checking something. :P 23:20:28 Maybe I found the problem. 23:20:57 Does anyone have experience setting up sbcl on netbsd (amd64) from pkgsrc. I got a failure in sb-posix. 23:22:55 -!- myu2 [~myu2@w179122.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:58 antifuchs: totally 23:25:12 twopoint718 [~chris@adsl-76-233-145-145.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:30:26 -!- tcr [~tcr@84.119.106.199] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:34:01 -!- zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:34:06 jan247 [~jan247@120.28.114.31] has joined #lisp 23:34:06 -!- jan247 [~jan247@120.28.114.31] has quit [Changing host] 23:34:06 jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has joined #lisp 23:34:11 zmyrgel [~zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 23:34:27 ichernetsky [~ichernets@195.222.64.196] has joined #lisp 23:37:46 jleija [~jleija@adsl-91-0-123.chs.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:21 danlei` [~user@pD9E2E788.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:22 -!- danlei [~user@pD9E2E788.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:38:28 -!- danlei` is now known as danlei 23:39:56 brandonedens [~brandon@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:02 metabug [~metabug@cpe-67-241-10-210.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:42:02 -!- jan247 [~jan247@unaffiliated/jan247] has quit [Quit: jan247] 23:43:07 -!- christoph_debian [~christoph@cl-1281.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:44:26 danopia [~danopia@fullcirclemagazine/developer/danopia] has joined #lisp 23:49:59 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 23:50:31 porcelina [~quassel@c-174-51-110-214.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:00 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:33 lemonodor [~lemonodor@cpe-75-83-150-91.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:54:10 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:56:25 OmniMancer1 [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 23:56:31 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483F753.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:56:39 -!- abugosh [~Adium@216-164-114-53.c3-0.tlg-ubr3.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:57:09 -!- OmniMancer [~OmniMance@202.36.179.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:57:27 parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 23:58:30 xvx [~user01@189.139.217.1] has joined #lisp 23:58:56 -!- jmbr [~jmbr@130.245.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]