00:00:13 doesnt matter if you've used grovel or did it manually 00:00:21 you can also use cffi for it 00:00:33 with defcstruct 00:00:39 joast [n=rick@76.178.178.72] has joined #lisp 00:00:47 i think i'm doing something wrong in the dereferencing steps 00:00:47 you access it the same way with foreign-slot-value 00:01:04 http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp 00:01:22 cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-179-70-9.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 00:01:28 let me paste something if you still have 2 minutes before hitting the bed 00:01:49 sure 00:02:53 -!- leo2007 [n=leo@sl392.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has quit ["go to bed"] 00:03:21 -!- redline6561 [n=redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:05:42 Kickaha pasted "wiiuse cffi issue" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87032 00:05:53 PissedNumlock: sorry for the delay 00:05:57 -!- Sikander [n=soemraws@oemrawsingh.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:06:22 np 00:06:39 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:07:03 the thing with that code is that the value in that structure is _really_ supposed to change as i press my buttons, but it is _always_ 0 00:07:04 your returntype should be :pointer 00:07:09 coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:07:21 not wiimote-t** 00:07:27 oh you mean in the function definition 00:07:37 let me test that in a second 00:08:29 and foreign-slot-value expects a pointer 00:08:40 so no need to dereference that one 00:09:09 so i only need to dereference once? 00:09:25 mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142177072209.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #lisp 00:09:27 so it should be (foreign-slot-value wiimote-1 'wiimote-t 'btns) 00:09:39 hmmm, i see 00:09:56 and after you are done with it don't forget to use foreign-free 00:09:59 or you'll get memleaks 00:10:35 and with grovel (dnno about cffi actually) you can just define the slots you need 00:10:41 not all the slots of the structure 00:10:50 so you might want to look at that 00:10:56 i might give grovel a try then 00:11:00 it's quite easy actually 00:11:07 I started with cffi and grovel 1.5 weeks ago :) 00:11:22 ehehe you sound pretty comfortable with it already 00:11:38 good luck with it :) 00:11:41 *PissedNumlock* goes to bed 00:12:21 ok, thanks for the help PissedNumlock 00:13:19 -!- ignas [n=ignas@78.63.105.97] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:15:45 blackened`_ [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 00:16:10 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 00:17:44 -!- ehu [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:19:25 envi^office [n=envi@203.109.25.110] has joined #lisp 00:19:28 Darn! 00:19:42 *luis* lost the eclm2009 crew 00:21:22 wander the streets singing "god wrote in lisp", wait for them to rejoin you 00:25:33 -!- sohail [n=sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit ["Leaving."] 00:25:43 Xach: is there an actual song yet? :D 00:25:48 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:26:51 i don't really know 00:27:30 sykopomp: so you're going to speak at tclispers? 00:27:51 erg: maybe. I offered to. 00:28:13 and if I do, it'll probably be in october. 00:28:38 http://tclispers.org/ FFI talk is all that's scheduled so far 00:29:06 erg: yeah, no one replied to my ML message, so I assume it'll either be ignored, or it'll happen in october :P 00:29:13 sohail [n=sohail@CPE001839a305c5-CM000a73a081a5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 00:29:23 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:29:27 time for a follow-up message 00:30:16 hm? 00:30:22 -!- ruediger [n=ruediger@188-23-186-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:30:23 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:30:30 ask again on the list, i mean 00:30:58 oh, I only posted to it because rpg told me to send one to the ML, I'm in no hurry to present. 00:31:12 well, and because I'd asked to do it at some point, ofc 00:31:12 -!- Kickaha [n=jadawin@151.100.103.87.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit ["leaving"] 00:31:41 splittist [n=dmurray@62.206.23.118] has joined #lisp 00:31:44 morning 00:31:50 splittist: morn' 00:31:56 heh 00:32:11 erg: either way, I'll be at this month's meeting. 00:32:31 I have escaped the clutches of beach, hanging on to the shreds of my sobriety 00:32:42 pity 00:33:04 splittist: sounds like y'all are having a heck of a time over there! :) 00:33:39 where are they? 00:33:45 erg: ECLM 00:33:52 (I assume) 00:34:00 that's a strange country :) 00:34:42 erg: Hamburg 00:35:04 strange indeed. Lots of nice talks. I've assumed it's all been reported on twitter, irc and blogs... 00:35:25 splittist: how many people have attended? 00:35:33 i looked it up, yeah. looks cool 00:35:35 *Xach* hasn't seen a hint of eclm online yet 00:36:00 i'm going to the jvm language summit in a few days 00:36:15 fascinating 00:36:39 zenogais [n=user@71-83-129-239.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:36:49 -!- Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483CC15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:37:21 50-odd at eclm. Emphasis on the odd, of course. 00:37:21 -!- zenogais [n=user@71-83-129-239.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com] has left #lisp 00:37:44 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:21 splittist: adlai told me there were ~70 at his lightning talk. I'm not sure if the talks are scheduled so that everyone can attend all of them or if some are running in parallel... 00:38:27 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:39:38 The RacerPro talk stood out. Stood out in that the semantic web seems to have zero practical impact. Everything else had real customers/users. 00:40:50 am I remembering wrong, or did Franz's site get a lot nicer? 00:41:09 (I except the lightning talks) 00:41:47 sykopomp: you are correct. 00:41:52 is there a list of lightning talks given/scheduled anywhere? 00:42:09 lots of love for LW and sbcl; not so much for acl (at eclm) 00:42:38 well, isn't edi in love with LW? :P 00:43:51 -!- mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142177072209.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:44:45 s0ber [i=pie@118-160-173-108.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:47 sykopomp: as delivered: Adlai Chandrashekar on Sheeple; Luke Gorrie on Adventures in Low-Level Programming; Jeremy Jones on Cross-Platform GUI Development using Cocoa and Lisp; Nick Levine on Lisp Outside the Box; Stefan Richter on The Deadline and Captain Feature: 2 AIs for automtated project management; Tobias[-Christian] Rittweiler on Slime++++; Dieter Hoffman on Preforma 00:46:19 Adlai is Adlai's actual name? 00:46:20 aoh. 00:46:23 woah* 00:46:26 haha yes. 00:46:44 he looks 12. In a good way. 00:46:45 Slime++++? 00:46:55 as opposed to Slime+++ 00:48:06 splittist: there's a lot of interesting ones in there. 00:48:13 cocoa + cross-platform? Huh? 00:48:51 maybe by "cross platform" they mean "OSX 10.4 and 10.5" 00:48:56 I hate it when people do shit like that 00:49:15 today on reddit someone was asking about cross platform game frameworks and someone replied with XNA 00:49:25 Ralith: >:| 00:49:41 "It runs on Windows, and it also runs on Windows! :D" 00:49:43 It was a lightning talk. He [tcr] mentioned autodoc highlighting keywords, including nested keywords; named readtables; hyperdoc; fancy macroexpansion; and unwound dynamic extent objects. 00:50:27 oh you mean slime++++ 00:50:47 Cross-platform as in Cocotron and GNUstep - ccl devel environment working on Windoze 00:50:49 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-198-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:51:02 awesome 00:51:22 gnustep works on windows? 00:51:46 Perhaps; Cocotron definitely 00:51:53 mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142177072209.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #lisp 00:51:59 http://lisp-book.org/ Is there some method O'Reilly press uses to figure out what animals to slap on covers? 00:52:23 A question that was asked! 00:52:32 hahaha 00:53:11 sykopomp: although the O'R website says it is a process involving author input, in fact it was imposed. 00:53:12 I guess if you squint your eyes really hard and down a couple of beers, it sort of looks like http://www.lisperati.com/lisplogo_alien_256.png 00:53:44 I like to think: Emu - looks a bit like a Dodo, but can give a hell of a kick... 00:53:48 I think our bug-eyed alien friend would be a bit of a sales hazard :) 00:54:15 singhv: perhaps less so if he was sketched out in the same style as the rest of the o'reilly logos ;) 00:54:16 wth is cocotron 00:54:41 redblue [i=star@ppp027.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 00:54:45 Ralith: google is your friend. 00:54:52 do not fear google. He is there to help you. 00:54:55 no he's not 00:54:58 the bastard stole my shirt 00:55:06 I'm not talking to him until he gives it back 00:55:17 -!- redblue [i=star@ppp027.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 00:55:30 Ralith: http://cocotron.org/ 00:55:35 <3 sykopomp 00:55:51 redblue [i=star@ppp027.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 01:00:26 -!- singhv [n=vsingh@CPE0014bf4af6c2-CM000a739caee2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 01:01:13 how a thing can be red and blue ? 01:01:29 tau: if it is also white, then it can be patriotic 01:01:32 -!- HET2 [n=diman@cpc1-cdif3-0-0-cust705.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:01:41 tau: that, or it can be purple. 01:02:12 hmm 01:02:38 sykopomp, made sense. 01:02:50 tau: you're welcome. 01:03:28 sykopomp, thanks. 01:05:04 singhv [n=vsingh@CPE0014bf4af6c2-CM000a739caee2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 01:07:36 -!- sohail [n=sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:08:38 cocotron heh 01:09:27 i want that hat 01:09:47 the man wearing with the circular glasses 01:11:07 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:12:56 OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@202.36.179.65] has joined #lisp 01:13:52 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@209.237.196.44] has joined #lisp 01:14:13 another lisp book? 01:14:20 thats two this year 01:15:16 -!- tau [n=Erdos@189.127.59.97] has quit ["Saindo"] 01:18:47 -!- mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142177072209.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:18:58 mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142177072209.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #lisp 01:20:46 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 01:21:38 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-198-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 01:22:48 -!- carlocci [n=nes@93.37.211.48] has quit ["eventually IE will rot and die"] 01:23:23 nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@209.237.196.45] has joined #lisp 01:23:23 -!- saikat_ [n=saikat@c-98-210-13-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:23:41 -!- nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@209.237.196.45] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:23:49 nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@209.237.196.45] has joined #lisp 01:23:54 -!- rvirding [n=chatzill@h69n1c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has left #lisp 01:24:22 HET2 [n=diman@cpc1-cdif3-0-0-cust705.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 01:25:17 -!- redblue [i=star@ppp027.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has quit [Success] 01:25:29 luis` [i=3ece1776@gateway/web/freenode/x-pilxhefksigoiomc] has joined #lisp 01:28:21 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@209.237.196.44] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:28:21 -!- nvoorhies_ is now known as nvoorhies 01:28:58 -!- luis` [i=3ece1776@gateway/web/freenode/x-pilxhefksigoiomc] has quit [Ping timeout: 180 seconds] 01:32:01 slackjaw [n=jolyonwh@cb8faac9.atp.nicta.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:32:37 -!- splittist [n=dmurray@62.206.23.118] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.1"] 01:33:19 sciendan [n=dan@69.250.212.245] has joined #lisp 01:34:02 legumbre [n=user@r190-135-77-127.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 01:35:22 -!- htk_ [n=htk___@188.3.227.81] has quit [No route to host] 01:37:48 -!- blackened`_ [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 01:38:34 htk_ [n=htk___@188.3.225.69] has joined #lisp 01:43:40 -!- OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@202.36.179.65] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:44:44 hi, is there no standard "object copy" function for CLOS? 01:46:26 -!- bgs100 is now known as dgs100 01:46:50 egn: its just a map over (class-slots (class-of smtng)) 01:47:27 what are you trying to do? 01:48:08 v0|d: k, thanks. 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09:44:07 leo2007: No. There is a Zeta-C compiler that takes C programs and compile them for Lisp Machine (but I don't know if it generates Lisp). 09:44:29 matimago: thanks 09:44:30 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.170.51.149] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:44:31 It generates a fair bit of lisp-machine code, iirc. 09:44:42 leo2007: the performance of such a translated program would probably be abysmal. 09:44:58 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 09:45:00 nipra [n=nipra@122.170.51.149] has joined #lisp 09:45:52 CL lacks first class places. 09:46:59 Well, we could actually (defparameter *memory* (make-array array-dimension-limit :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8) :initial-element 0)) and do everything C++ in this array. 09:46:59 nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181130226.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 09:47:01 http://www.interhack.net/projects/lpp/ is supposed to ease the pain of c++ a bit 09:47:15 There's also http://opencxx.sf.net 09:47:54 There's a parser and front-end for C++ that could be used in a translator: http://keystone.sourceforge.net/research.shtml 09:48:04 Another: http://www.nobugs.org/developer/parsingcpp/ 09:49:00 is it translator would be of languages ? 09:49:10 QinGW2 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 09:49:22 tau: C++ to CL 09:49:35 The hard part is pasing C++ ;-) 09:49:44 parsing 09:50:01 matimago, hmm i understand. 09:50:05 it is a good idea. 09:50:30 matimago, write funcional code in imperative code, it is good. 09:50:41 A harder problem is dealing with first class places. 09:50:55 mathrick, would can the possibily of the optimize codes. 09:51:10 Zhivago: using the byte vector memory, you have the same first class places than a C++ compiler: integers = addresses = places. 09:51:12 would can has* 09:51:27 Then you get no lisp integration. 09:51:34 -!- xinming_ [n=hyy@125.109.247.189] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:51:36 You might as well use an FFI. 09:51:40 Yes. 09:51:45 xinming [n=hyy@125.109.247.189] has joined 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I mean, for example if you have a template class you might just transpose it as a normal CLOS class, given that most lisp functions (defun) are already generic (as long as you don't use to type-specific functions in them). 09:53:10 But for that you would have to "understand" the C++ code. 09:53:52 For a very weird definition of 'generic'. 09:54:51 template position(const T& item,const std::vector& v); <=> (position item v) 09:57:25 emma [n=em@cpe-98-14-154-71.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:58:01 dwh [n=dwh@ppp118-208-171-218.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 09:59:35 vyazovoi [n=vyazovoi@horrible-unlim.vpn.mgn.ru] has joined #lisp 09:59:35 -!- QinGW2 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:59:47 QinGW3 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 10:00:00 sciendan [n=dan@c-69-250-212-245.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:00:14 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:01:51 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0222.versanet.de] has quit [No route to host] 10:02:23 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:02:34 serichsen [n=svante@hmbg-4d066559.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:02:39 hello 10:02:59 mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 10:03:32 -!- emma_ [n=em@cpe-98-14-154-71.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Success] 10:04:10 QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has joined #lisp 10:05:00 hello 10:05:49 -!- QinGW1 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:06:11 benny [n=benny@i577A0222.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 10:06:15 i will to create a machine that be able of think. 10:06:51 i think...it would be write in lisp. 10:06:58 wrote* 10:07:37 -!- QinGW3 [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:07:53 fui 10:08:06 -!- tau [n=Erdos@189.127.58.33] has quit ["Saindo"] 10:08:52 -!- QinGW [n=wangqing@203.86.89.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:11:03 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@209.237.196.45] has joined #lisp 10:11:28 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:12:27 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-87-84-207.socal.res.rr.com] has quit ["night"] 10:16:00 Yuuhi [i=benni@84.131.241.15] has joined #lisp 10:21:20 silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has joined #lisp 10:22:20 Ogedei [n=user@e178205190.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:24:03 -!- mishoo_ [n=mishoo@79.112.52.247] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:25:21 -!- phadthai [i=mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:27:41 HET2 [n=diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 10:28:12 -!- ehu [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:28:53 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:28:53 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:29:10 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:10 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 10:31:10 ignas [n=ignas@78-60-73-85.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 10:32:08 -!- jao [n=jao@74.Red-80-24-4.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 10:34:37 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:35:20 mishoo_ [n=mishoo@79.112.52.247] has joined #lisp 10:35:29 -!- Phoodus [i=foo@68.231.37.148] has quit [] 10:36:59 fusss [n=chatzill@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 10:38:10 greetings good humanoids! 10:41:18 .o(am I to feel addressed by this?) 10:43:33 serichsen: are you generally considered humanoid ? head, at least two arms, at least two leg, torso, and all of this interconnected in the right order ? 10:44:09 koollman: yes, approximately 10:44:21 and are you good? 10:44:33 rudi: I don't know 10:45:27 this is somewhat related: http://www.schlockmercenary.com/d/20090913.html 10:47:11 .o(ah well, just in case...) 10:47:15 hello, fusss 10:47:32 tagac [n=user@249.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 10:48:30 Athas [n=athas@shop3.diku.dk] has joined #lisp 10:49:36 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 10:50:24 i spent the last month badmouthing mysql; spent the last few days moving to postgres, and now i have the same problems. I guess it's time to stop bitching and start to learn how to actually write reliable web apps. 10:54:48 i really wish i still had my curiosity and drive to learn and just get SQL and RDBMses under control at once 10:57:55 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [] 10:58:27 solve a problem, get three in return .. for free! 10:58:31 like that? :} 10:58:40 ad infinitum 10:59:33 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:59:41 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 10:59:45 ..doing things "proper" or even remotely so seem to be an almost infinite rabbithole 11:01:10 ok, that's just depressing; need more coffee 11:02:32 after 'sudo apt-get install sqlite3' why do I need to 'sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.0 /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so'? 11:03:08 "To create an apple, one must create the universe first" -dontremember 11:03:24 yeah, something like that, v0|d 11:03:34 fusss: do you just want commiseration or do you want to tell what the mentioned problems are? 11:03:56 this is actually how i started core-server, hehe. 11:04:56 serichsen: don't know really; just staring a few browsers, emacs and LW, and waving goodbye to another useless day as it fleets by :-( 11:07:15 I am getting "server went away" errors when I least expect them. it's not reproducible in postgres, just manifests itself at random times. 11:08:18 using postmodern? 11:08:27 yeah 11:08:57 i need to refactor the code anway, to expose some functionality as services 11:09:02 to make them ajax and caching friendly 11:09:46 i have several tables holding user information and other stuff, and every time i need to fetch a record i am doing something horrible .. select * from table 11:09:50 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-198-233.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:10:02 that one is my fault, i admit, but it helps the code be very simple 11:10:25 I am using just 6 functions to create, edit, update, delete and list objects :-) 11:11:05 that looks like only 5 items. 11:11:08 so those functions fetch the entire row and return the requested record 11:11:33 serichsen: there is the case when more than one object matches 11:11:33 LIST- vs FIND- 11:11:57 ok 11:12:06 FIND-OBJECT and FIND-OBJECT-BY, vs LIST-OBJECTS and LIST-OBJECTS-WHERE 11:12:35 another thing i spent the last two days designing was progressive documentation .. don't know what to call it 11:12:58 I have never heard that term. 11:12:59 a sequence of help strings that show up in post-login dialogs and help the user discover the service 11:13:25 -!- moesenle [n=moesenle@atradig124.informatik.tu-muenchen.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:13:34 i made it up; it should have a name somewhere in some industry .. i am just inventing stuff I call 'wheels' as I go :-P 11:14:24 are those help strings "random tips" or are they correlated to what the user is doing? 11:14:42 -!- girzel [n=user@123.121.238.120] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 11:14:49 we're using lighttpd to keep every session on a certain hunchentoot instance; however, i need to design session recovery and migration so if a hunchentoot instance fails or gets sick, i can migrate them to another one. 11:15:08 serichsen: the union of all of the above 11:15:37 the help should also be targeted (it's not all help by the way, some are sponsors' messages and employers) 11:15:44 ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has joined #lisp 11:15:55 "clippy" sounds like a good name for that 11:16:02 heh 11:16:25 This sounds like an application that I would hate to use. 11:17:13 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:18:24 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 11:18:27 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:18:55 fusss [n=chatzill@60-241-1-206.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:19:02 serichsen: it's not all dialog boxes btw, think of it as UI-rewriting based on what functionality you use the most. If you sign in and click through 3 pages just to get to the settings page; the app will learn your behaviour and you will have a link to :settings on your front page. in essence, no two users have the same home page :-) 11:20:12 fun and games for the support crew! :-) 11:20:48 Okay. 11:21:22 you wanna know what is really fun? allowing third party application to access the user's profile (after their consent) while still being HIPAA compliant :-) fun fun fun! 11:21:45 "I see you have herpes, meet other people in your town who have herpes ..", etc. 11:21:56 What is HIPAA? 11:22:21 Sorry, googling. 11:23:32 huangjs [n=user@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #lisp 11:23:41 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.170.51.149] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:24:08 nipra [n=nipra@122.170.51.149] has joined #lisp 11:33:34 -!- chris2 [n=chris@p5B16A3BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:37:13 -!- rudi [n=rudi@mail.ist.tu-graz.ac.at] has quit ["Client 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galdor: it's a string designator. A string or an uninterned symbol is cleaner, imo. 13:11:45 galdor: you can use a string, instead, and there will be no symbol interned 13:12:23 i find it just slightly too annoying to type '#:foo and "foo". but i gladly use #:foo in defpackage and in-package 13:12:29 and asdf:defsystem for that matter 13:12:33 ok ok 13:12:44 cornucopic [n=r00t@202.3.77.134] has joined #lisp 13:13:02 myrkraverk pasted "script output" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87044 13:13:18 is there a way to hide that output? 13:14:06 that's a quite frequent question in the last couple of weeks 13:14:08 why uffi and not cffi? 13:14:31 because cl-ncurses uses it? 13:14:32 sbcl's --script needs more love to be really truly useful and easy for scripting 13:14:33 jdz, becouse cl-ncurses uses it 13:15:56 well, with ncurses, it gets hidden behind the screen; so it's not a huge issue, for this 13:16:24 -!- pdenno [n=pdenno@208-58-10-214.c3-0.gth-ubr2.lnh-gth.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [No buffer space available] 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(defvar *item* (list "home" 'index)) (second *item*) give you? 13:36:25 well, read documentation for your html generating library then 13:38:24 felideon [n=user@74.186.235.232] has joined #lisp 13:39:27 -!- sohail [n=sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit ["Leaving."] 13:40:30 lexa_ [n=lexa_@seonet.ru] has joined #lisp 13:40:58 -!- lexa_ is now known as Guest81925 13:44:06 plage [n=user@e176064153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:44:28 Good afternoon everyone! 13:44:35 salva, suggestion; start with something trivial that works .. generate just a single url; no looping or anything -- in your REPL .. then try with a let for href and content .. then add a loop .. one step at a time making only a single change each time so you know exactly when and what breaks .. i don't know the html-generation library you mention 13:46:20 -!- OmniMancer1 [n=OmniManc@122-57-20-76.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:46:59 OmniMancer 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might not like lists 14:00:26 salva pasted " my problem resum" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87046 14:01:16 well, there was no need to duplicate it, once you already pasted 14:01:36 so, did you know the difference between '(erp) and '('erp) ? 14:01:38 i'm trying it 14:01:41 s/did/do/ 14:01:58 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.87.249] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:02:17 '() is a list and 'name a refernece function ? 14:02:32 not sure 14:02:38 Adlai [n=Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 14:03:01 ' is shorthand for QUOTE, which prevents evaluation 14:03:16 hello everybody. 14:03:23 hello 14:03:39 *Adlai* is on a wired connection, for the first time in this laptop's history. 14:04:20 so '(erp) once evaluated becomes a list with a symbol erp in it, while '('erp) becomes a list with a list (quote erp) within it 14:04:42 -!- myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:04:46 hi Adlai :) 14:05:30 how must i build the second call for works like first 14:05:34 ? 14:06:28 i don't understand you 14:07:11 this call (handler-url 'erp) returns /erp in repl 14:07:54 this (handler-url (first '('erp))) returns nill, how must i build it? 14:08:22 i think it'd be a good idea to learn lisp first :} 14:08:23 as i said many times already, try (first '(erp)) 14:08:46 minion: tell salva about pcl 14:08:47 salva: please look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 14:08:47 sorry, i'm learning lisp 14:09:49 That's nothing to be sorry about. 14:10:57 -!- tagac [n=user@249.37.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:11:31 tagac [n=user@164.36.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:12:10 You might find (first ''erp) simpler to understand. 14:14:01 milanj [n=milan@93.86.58.133] has joined #lisp 14:14:25 -!- 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that 15:38:04 morning 15:38:22 you said that the specified-type was html-text, so I don't get it 15:39:11 kami- pasted "dwim html-text rendered as cl-perec:text" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87052 15:39:22 Dawgmatix_ [n=dman@c-68-32-44-191.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:26 -!- schoppenhauer [n=senjak@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:41:40 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:41:51 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:11 the specified type is (and (or null ... 15:42:27 in which case canonical-type kicks in and that is (or null (text nil)) 15:42:49 -!- letexpx [n=letexpx@abo-223-141-68.bdx.modulonet.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 15:43:24 do you use slot option inheritance for that slot 15:43:25 ? 15:43:58 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:44:08 levy: I think the slot is defined in a superclass, not in PERSON. Wait, I'll check. 15:45:02 kami-, please show me the specified type without the ... 15:45:13 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 15:45:27 phadthai [i=mmondor@66.11.161.166] has joined #lisp 15:45:34 -!- htk__ [n=htk___@188.3.224.179] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:46:01 -!- tsuru [n=user@c-76-22-154-126.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:46:19 levy: (AND (OR NULL DWIM-META-MODEL:HTML-TEXT) (OR NULL DWIM-META-MODEL:HTML-TEXT)) 15:46:19 15:46:23 jleija [n=jleija@adsl-91-1-29.chs.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:24 bah, dear perec, that's easy to simplify... 15:47:59 so you have repeated the type in the superclass and in the subclass, am I right? 15:48:04 -!- Phaze [n=PhazeDK@0x5da32b16.cpe.ge-0-1-0-1104.soebnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 105 (No buffer space available)] 15:48:12 dysinger [n=dysinger@24.18.234.48] has joined #lisp 15:48:42 -!- mvilleneuve [n=mvillene@80.14.131.214] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 15:48:42 mcdonji [n=mcdonji@174.0.93.219] has joined #lisp 15:48:51 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:49:01 spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-108-111.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 15:49:02 -!- amaron [n=amaron@93.86.161.198] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:51:34 rread [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:58 kami-` [n=user@dslb-084-059-217-034.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:27 Levenson1 [n=alex@95.59.104.234] has joined #lisp 15:52:29 -!- rread [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:52:43 rread [n=rread@nat/sun/x-ygpdeotvdvbwfhrw] has joined #lisp 15:53:03 levy: sorry. was disconnected briefly. I made the mistake to specify the slot in the super-super-class AND in the super (while trying to solve the problem, I made a lot of copy/pasting) 15:53:47 try removing the type from the subclass 15:53:57 and let's see what error pops up then... 15:54:22 probably you were there already 15:54:37 levy: yes, just doing that. Do I have to restart the app after changing the slot definition? 15:54:59 alley_cat [i=AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has joined #lisp 15:55:17 this might work without restarting 15:55:47 you might need to cc both classes though 15:56:27 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:57:03 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 15:59:20 -!- existentialmonk [n=user@64-148-11-244.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:00:53 barkley [n=barkley@99.188.224.229] has joined #lisp 16:01:45 futuranon [n=futurano@67-207-144-254.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 16:02:59 -!- sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:03:40 -!- kami- [n=user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:08:07 chris2 [n=chris@dslb-094-216-036-249.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:08:19 -!- ehu [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:08:38 -!- rstandy` [n=rastandy@pc212-189-140-32.unile.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:14:23 -!- fgtech [n=fgtech@193.219.39.203] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:14:25 -!- madnificent [n=user@83.101.2.161] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:14:36 fgtech [n=fgtech@193.219.39.203] has joined #lisp 16:14:45 p0a [n=user@athedsl-379704.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:16:08 Jabberwockey [n=jens@port-14940.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 16:16:23 Hello I've written this code how would you implement this function instead? Also, do oyu have any suggestions for my code? 16:16:27 http://paste.lisp.org/display/87053 16:17:28 lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:17:33 Eh, I just realized teh code isn't working properly at all. I'll fix this 16:18:13 -!- Levenson [n=alex@92.46.83.189] has quit [No buffer space available] 16:18:26 -!- Dawgmatix_ [n=dman@c-68-32-44-191.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:18:58 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:19:56 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:20:37 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 16:20:51 Why not just use arrays? or does it have to be implemented using lists? 16:24:01 -!- silenius [n=jl@yian-ho03.nir.cronon.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:24:25 Okay annotated to work http://paste.lisp.org/display/87053#1 16:24:56 levy: after CCing both classes, the server seems to hang when I try to login (my session has expired in the meantime) 16:25:16 levy: and the log says WITH-SESSION-LOGIC is locking session 16:25:26 -!- kami-` is now known as kami- 16:26:59 ljames: this also provides a way to create a list with a closure instead of an initial-element. Implementing list-0n is trivial like: (make-matrix n :key #'identity), or if you want 10 to 20 again with a (+ 10) closure you can do 16:27:17 -!- PhazeDK [n=PhazeDK@0x5da32b16.cpe.ge-0-1-0-1104.soebnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:27:38 it's just much more flexible than make-list at the cost of APPLYing for every car of the (tree). 16:27:43 ah 16:28:34 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:29:01 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 16:29:14 kami-, you should restart then 16:29:51 -!- redline6561 [n=redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:31:52 kami- annotated #87052 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87052#1 16:32:47 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:32:59 levy: now, the specified-type is (or null html-text), and the call to make-place-filter is correct: (MAKE-PLACE-FILTER (OR NULL HTML-TEXT)) 16:33:29 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 16:34:53 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:35:00 Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 16:35:49 Kenjin [n=Kenjin@89.181.68.0] has joined #lisp 16:35:58 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:36:31 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 16:37:43 levy: and apparently (find-place-filter-type-for-type type) in make-place-filter is called with null 16:37:53 -!- wchogg [n=wchogg@71-34-77-216.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:38:41 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:54 Ralith [n=ralith@69.90.48.127] has joined #lisp 16:45:30 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 16:46:10 -!- p0a [n=user@athedsl-379704.home.otenet.gr] has quit ["bye"] 16:46:42 levy: I have to go. Would be grateful if you could look into it (or we could continue, tomorrow). Thanks a lot. 16:46:43 bye 16:46:46 -!- kami- [n=user@dslb-084-059-217-034.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 16:47:40 -!- vyazovoi [n=vyazovoi@horrible-unlim.vpn.mgn.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:48:14 schoppenhauer [n=christop@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:49:04 -!- Levenson1 [n=alex@95.59.104.234] has left #lisp 16:49:42 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:50:24 coderdad [n=coderdad@72.200.214.240] has joined #lisp 16:50:32 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:50:59 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 16:51:45 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@72.200.214.240] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:51:51 -!- Reav__ [n=Reaver@212.88.117.162] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:51:55 coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:58 kami, sure, I also have to leave soon... 16:53:46 -!- whartung [n=willh@207.38.40.1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:53:51 ruediger_ [n=ruediger@188.23.69.240] has joined #lisp 16:54:12 -!- dialtone [n=dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:56:21 whartung [n=willh@207.38.40.1] has joined #lisp 16:58:16 -!- ASau [n=user@77.246.230.132] has quit ["off"] 16:58:36 -!- levy [n=levy@apn-94-44-7-165.vodafone.hu] has quit ["..."] 16:59:59 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:00:12 futurano1 [n=futurano@67-207-144-254.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 17:00:24 -!- futurano1 is now known as futuranon_ 17:00:26 what is the ratio of windows to unix (mac, linux etc) lisp users in this channel? 17:00:38 20% mac, 80% linux. 17:00:50 0.001% microsoft-windows 17:01:20 redline6561 [n=redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 17:01:25 <-- Linux/mac, for those keeping track. 17:01:25 <_3b> i'd guess at least 2-5% windows, depending on how you count the non-active nicks/duplicate nicks 17:01:27 Actually, if you look the pictures taken at the various lisp symposiums, you might believe it's 80 or 90% mac. 17:01:58 sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:27 is there really a large demand for CL implementations on windows? especially with working threading? 17:02:27 <_3b> well, the totals probably add up to 150-200% or so 17:02:30 Yeah, ILC 2009 was dominated by macs 17:02:38 And it could be some are both: When I travel, i have lisp on the laptop, at home, many linux boxes, one freebsd box. 17:02:41 *dlowe* had an XO running debian 17:02:58 <_3b> DeusExPikachu: for some fields, windows is still a very important target platform 17:03:09 DeusExPikachu: not really, but it would probably help lisp a little to have sbcl running well on MS-Windows. In the meantime, there's clisp and ecl (plus of course the commercial implementations). 17:03:15 *Xach* wonders what the laptop scene at eclm looked like 17:04:10 -!- ruediger_ [n=ruediger@188.23.69.240] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:04:35 Lispworks runs fine on Windows. 17:04:57 Multiple implementations that work easily on Windows couldn't hurt. 17:05:07 actually SBCL is pretty stable on windows, just lacking threads 17:05:13 did someone deployed something big on windows with CCL for example ? 17:05:29 CCL == ? 17:05:34 Corman? 17:05:41 clozure of course 17:05:44 o 17:05:55 <_3b> ljames: and lacking expectation of running on any arbitrary windows machine 17:06:14 it's working fine on linux/mac and i dont run windows but it's should be stable 17:06:34 and it does have threads on windows 17:06:40 *_3b* doesn't know which if any of the other windows lisps avoid the memory relocation problems though 17:06:55 so I'm guessing most mac users use clbuild? 17:07:57 -!- roygbiv [n=none@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:08:01 roygbiv [n=none@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has joined #lisp 17:08:01 milanj, I guess the copy I ran didn't have threads built in, I should try building it with that feature enabled. 17:08:01 Levenson [n=alex@95.59.104.234] has joined #lisp 17:08:32 you should download it, building on windows is not that simple i supose 17:08:37 -!- Levenson [n=alex@95.59.104.234] has left #lisp 17:08:44 worked fine last time I tried 17:08:53 but some regression tests failed 17:09:02 -!- schme [n=marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:09:03 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:09:29 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 17:09:40 madnificent [n=madnific@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 17:10:01 -!- ruediger [n=ruediger@188-23-65-21.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 105 (No buffer space available)] 17:10:51 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:11:06 matt____1 [n=matt@nsabfw1.nsab.se] has joined #lisp 17:12:04 schme [n=marcus@c83-249-82-26.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:13:06 rread_ [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:49 froydnj [n=froydnj@38.113.113.105] has joined #lisp 17:15:10 -!- futuranon [n=futurano@67-207-144-254.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection refused)] 17:15:18 xach: Do you know of any lisp software that reads jpg or png files? 17:15:38 cl-png? 17:15:47 dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-99-136-101-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:48 <_3b> minion: cljl 17:15:49 cljl: CLJL stands for Common Lisp JPEG Library. http://www.cliki.net/cljl 17:15:49 wgl: yes! png-read by "Ramarren" is on github. it loads any png. 17:16:15 -!- slyrus__ [n=slyrus@adsl-75-36-208-140.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:17:24 Wow--three answers. Marvelous. Thanks xach _3b DeusExPikachu 17:18:01 <_3b> does verrazano impose any license on the generated bindings? 17:18:26 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:19:00 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 17:19:28 kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:37 -!- Ralith [n=ralith@69.90.48.127] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:26:57 -!- matt____1 [n=matt@nsabfw1.nsab.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:27:57 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:28:03 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:36 -!- rread [n=rread@nat/sun/x-ygpdeotvdvbwfhrw] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:29:36 -!- rread_ is now known as rread 17:29:45 -!- rread [n=rread@c-98-234-219-222.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:29:51 rread [n=rread@nat/sun/x-kzliwxgmsftolbqu] has joined #lisp 17:31:12 existentialmonk [n=user@64-148-11-244.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 17:33:17 just tried building SBCL 1.0.31 on w32 cygwin, seems to build just fine with the default feature set, but fails building if I try to add :sb-thread to the feature list, probably because I don't have a pthreads library installed. Some of the tests also fail: run-program.impure and timer.impure goes into an infinite loop. 17:33:51 it doesn't have threads on windows 17:34:25 I thought so too, but milanj said: "and it does have threads on windows" 17:34:30 which confused me 17:34:31 ljames: that was wrt CCL 17:34:34 oh 17:34:38 ccl 17:34:39 And things related to signals are likely not to work on win32. 17:34:43 i was talking about ccl 17:35:48 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:36:02 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 17:39:33 kejsaren_ [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:35 If I'm using uffi:find-foreign-library, is there a simple way to get it to find files like "libxyz.so.5.7"? If I use "so.5.7" in :types it barfs. 17:40:32 sohail1 [n=sohail@99.251.84.57] has joined #lisp 17:40:35 Or on the other hand, get it to follow symlinks if a file is too short... 17:40:36 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:40:51 joshee [n=joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has joined #lisp 17:40:58 I tried to use CCL on win32 a few weeks ago, but I had some weird issues when trying to get it to work with slime/swank, it would sometimes randomly crash on startup when loading ASDF, as in, sometimes it worked, other time it threw some weird errors that looked like access violations(i'll have to try again, to confirm what the errors were) 17:41:00 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 17:41:06 -!- joshee [n=joshe@opal.elsasser.org] has left #lisp 17:42:21 Fault during read of memory address #x84 \ [Condition of type CCL::INVALID-MEMORY-ACCESS] 17:42:23 oh yes 17:42:38 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-upwpxnnvixvntaru] has joined #lisp 17:42:54 ccl's mailing list should be the best place to get help 17:43:47 well, the call stack seems to indicate it crashed within swank's code 17:44:04 -!- ia__ [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has quit [Client Quit] 17:44:21 redline6561: out of curiosity, how did you come to use uffi? 17:44:25 swank shouldn't cause this by itself 17:45:48 Xach: playing with cl-ncurses actually. code in cl-ncurses fails on archlinux because libncurses.so is a symlink. the issue was posted to the mailing list and i can just hardcode the path. but...um...ew? 17:45:48 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:46:02 ljames pasted "Not always reproductible error when loading SWANK in CCL on Win32" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87058 17:46:07 Xach: Sorry. Shorter: cl-ncurses uses uffi. 17:46:54 are you myrkraverk too? 17:47:24 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:47:41 Xach: I am not myrkraverk. 17:48:11 *Xach* wonders how two different people ran into cl-ncurses issues in the same day 17:48:19 rme [n=rme@pool-70-105-87-17.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:48:22 coderdad [n=coderdad@65.67.252.194] has joined #lisp 17:49:11 stassats, here's the actual error, http://paste.lisp.org/display/87058 , still don't know if it's swank or ccl to blame here, or maybe an issue with my setup altogether. The only time i ran into such issues with SBCL were when i used low safety optimization + buggy array code. 17:49:21 ljames: your issue reminds me of http://trac.clozure.com/openmcl/ticket/571 17:49:52 ljames: try running the trunk ccl and see if that fixes it 17:50:04 I'll give it a try, thanks rme 17:50:07 ia [n=ia@89.169.161.244] has joined #lisp 17:50:12 Xach: hahaha. I mean, the code seems pretty abandoned. If I were better at lisp and not the lazy sort perhaps I'd adopt it and port to CFFI. I suppose that wouldn't be terribly bad but I've done no interfacing with C in the past. 17:50:27 -!- nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181130226.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:50:37 redline6561: cffi includes a uffi compatibility layer, fwiw. i haven't tried to use cl-ncurses myself, dunno if it would help. 17:50:45 Xach: Thanks for the tip. 17:54:02 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:56:38 Davidbrcz [n=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 17:59:55 -!- sohail [n=sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:00:28 -!- futuranon_ is now known as futuranon 18:02:30 matt____1 [n=matt@nsabfw1.nsab.se] has joined #lisp 18:03:48 nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:04:39 -!- saikat_ [n=saikat@c-98-210-13-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:05:09 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.86.58.133] has left #lisp 18:05:15 milanj [n=milan@93.86.58.133] has joined #lisp 18:05:18 -!- nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 18:05:18 Kickaha [n=user@108.36.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 18:05:45 hi everyone 18:07:06 does anyone know if i can pass a cffi pointer as an argument to a lisp function? 18:07:07 -!- carlocci [n=nes@93.37.194.33] has quit ["eventually IE will rot and die"] 18:08:38 i keep getting a unbound-variable error :( 18:09:56 angerman [n=angerman@host41.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 18:10:23 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 105 (No buffer space available)] 18:10:50 Geralt [n=Geralt@p5B32C2BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:40 Kickaha: i don't think that has anything to do with cffi. 18:11:50 Kickaha: are you spelling it right? 18:11:54 -!- mishoo_ [n=mishoo@79.112.52.247] has quit ["be back later"] 18:11:59 mishoo [n=mishoo@79.112.52.247] has joined #lisp 18:12:05 Xach: lol, just found out i was missing a letter :P 18:12:10 dumb me... :/ 18:12:15 *Xach* is watching over you 18:12:16 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:12:45 i keep thinking i'm smarter than lisp but it's obviously far from true 18:14:03 dv_ [n=dv@85-127-111-103.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 18:15:22 salva_ [n=salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 18:17:07 ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has joined #lisp 18:17:10 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.86.58.133] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:17:18 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-212-187.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 18:17:31 hello 18:18:31 hi 18:20:58 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:21:10 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:31 ljames: If you try the trunk ccl, and that fixes the problem you were seeing, would you please let me know? I'll port the fix to the 1.3 branch if it does. 18:23:38 -!- felideon [n=user@74.186.235.232] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:26:20 saikat_ [n=saikat@adsl-76-228-82-245.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:06 -!- angerman [n=angerman@host41.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [] 18:30:50 Soulman [n=kvirc@154.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 18:33:52 -!- matt____1 [n=matt@nsabfw1.nsab.se] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:33:55 -!- salva [n=salva@105.11.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:33:55 -!- salva_ is now known as salva 18:34:27 ryepup [n=ryepup@one.firewall.gnv.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 18:36:54 rme, I installed it, and it seems to work, but I'm still getting some asdf related errors (which aren't fatal(continuable), unlike the memory read fault) 18:37:07 -!- redline6561 [n=redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:39:34 -!- attila_lendvai [n=ati@catv-89-132-189-132.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:39:39 ljames: Thanks. The fasl file version has changed between 1.3 and the trunk; you might run into that. 18:40:09 -!- futuranon [n=futurano@67-207-144-254.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit ["leaving"] 18:41:15 silenius [n=jl@dslb-088-073-074-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:41:31 HET3 [n=diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 18:41:58 no problem, guess I'll clear the fasls and recompile, and see if that fixes the asdf issues. 18:42:14 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 18:43:03 ruediger [n=ruediger@188-23-69-240.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 18:45:04 Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483F10F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:27 -!- cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-179-70-9.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:46:40 cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-179-70-9.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 18:47:31 -!- Kickaha [n=user@108.36.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:48:05 -!- HET2 [n=diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:49:53 slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:22 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-2-164.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:52:03 -!- yango [n=yango@unaffiliated/yango] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:52:55 magiuspendragon [n=alokbaik@nom27368d.nomadic.ncsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:54:28 -!- Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["leaving"] 18:55:19 got a question about altering the reader. I want to use the lisp reader to give me a parse tree of a sentence. I have programs which parse the sentence and output the tree to a string. The problem is the last element of the list is "(. .)", and the lisp reader won't parse it 18:55:30 i tried temporarily setting a macro char on a copied readtable but it didn't help 18:55:33 any suggestions? 18:55:46 don't use the lisp reader. 18:56:19 redline6561 [n=redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:56:20 or, use a more customizable lisp-style reader, like pjb's. 18:56:26 magiuspendragon: :| 18:56:37 magiuspendragon: Why not just write your own reader? 18:57:16 Makoryu: was hoping to save time by using lisps, since it's already in sexps 18:57:31 -!- Guest81561 [n=lexa_@seonet.ru] has left #lisp 18:58:29 <_3b> modify the output step to escape the #\. characters ? 18:58:34 change your output to be compatible with the reader then 18:58:46 whartung: can't change the output 18:58:57 _3b: tried that w/ copy-readtable, still barfed 18:59:20 whartung: its not my code, i'm calling to an external java program 18:59:23 OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@122-57-20-76.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 18:59:37 magiuspendragon: frob the output first? 18:59:38 then run the result through an SEXPR "escape" routine 18:59:46 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A0222.versanet.de] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1"] 18:59:57 futuranon [n=futurano@67-207-144-254.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 18:59:57 Adlai: frob? 19:00:11 frob something = do stuff to it 19:00:19 magiuspendragon: that's the technical term for what I suggested 19:00:24 ah 19:00:55 so you could loop over the file/data with something like read-line which would return a string, and you could use cl-ppcre to convert things like (. .) into a more reader-friendly format 19:01:00 mind, writing the escape routine is pretty much almost the same thing as writing your own reader. 19:02:00 magiuspendragon: Generally speaking, you should gibber the frotz as early as possible so long as it doesn't get knackered 19:02:25 xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:02:25 Makoryu: but of course ;) 19:03:13 Makoryu: ok now you're just making shit up 19:03:54 Adlai: Except for "knackered" 19:04:10 true 19:04:44 I guess I could have said "goober" instead of "gibber" 19:04:46 Oh well 19:04:57 magiuspendragon: you should write your own parser, to parse natural language. Otherwise, you can hook a specific token parsing function in my reader to read a token containing only dots. 19:05:27 pjb: I have a parser, the problem is it outputs sexps with dots 19:05:33 hi Adlai 19:05:37 (But the single dot would still be interpreted in lists as a dotted list). 19:05:41 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:06:07 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 19:06:26 ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-87-84-207.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:06:31 hey fe[nl]ix 19:06:31 what i need to parse is: (TOP (S (NP#5 (person (NNP Alice))) (VP (VBD walked) (PP (IN down) (NP#9 (DT the) (NN road)))) (. .)) ) 19:06:33 adeht [n=death@bzq-84-110-249-31.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:48 how did your talk with Kuroda Hisao go? 19:06:50 so that i can traverse it like a tree 19:06:51 magiuspendragon: you are inconsistent. 19:07:12 pjb: how so? 19:07:18 magiuspendragon: you can easily output a sexp containing "dots". You just have to define what a dot is. 19:07:44 Adlai: very well :) 19:07:49 Is it a symbol named "."? Is it a string containing #\. ? Is it a characted whose code is 46? 19:08:00 dialtone_ [n=dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has joined #lisp 19:08:13 (print '(\. \.)) works perfectly well. 19:08:27 marioxcc [n=user@200.92.186.212] has joined #lisp 19:08:47 magiuspendragon: perhaps you want to (setf *print-escape* t) ? 19:09:15 <_3b> pjb: i think that part comes from the unmodifiable java app 19:09:19 would that work for a string returned via sb-ext:run-command? 19:09:35 _3b: to be fair, its only unmodifiable because i don't know java 19:10:10 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:10:15 If your parser is not in lisp, then either modify the printer over there to escape the dots, or filter your strings adding backslashes before dots, before reading it. 19:10:29 nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has joined #lisp 19:10:42 (read-from-string (string-replace "\\." "." "(. .)")) should work well enough too. 19:10:54 <_3b> magiuspendragon: is source for the java stuff easily viewable somewhere? 19:11:21 fe[nl]ix: what did you think of ECLM overall? of my amazing talk? :) 19:11:59 _3b: its on sourceforge, but i don't know about browsing it 19:12:20 <_3b> magiuspendragon: url? 19:12:25 http://sourceforge.net/projects/opennlp/files/ 19:14:04 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:14:09 Ralith [n=ralith@d142-058-091-116.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 19:14:10 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:03 Dawgmatix [n=dman@c-68-32-44-191.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:17 On loading slime swank-loader.lisp is being picked up from the wrong directory 19:16:20 magiuspendragon: sorry, my reader refuses to parse tokens containing only dots, so it would have to be modified to be used to read "(. .)". The best you can do is to edit the string before reading it. 19:17:09 any ideas on what controls the directory where swank-loader.lisp is loaded from ? 19:17:12 pjb pasted "pjb's reader cannot read dots." at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87062 19:18:04 <_3b> Dawgmatix: have you possibly installed debian slime and not purged it? 19:18:14 -!- Adlai [n=Adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:18:22 Intensity [i=[UJg+jfH@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 19:18:29 -!- dialtone [n=dialtone@unaffiliated/dialtone] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:18:33 3b - i suspect thats the case (i am remotely logged into my brothers laptop and he is a lisp newbie) 19:18:34 Adlai [n=adlai@p5496322F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:18:41 nipra_ [n=nipra@122.169.9.189] has joined #lisp 19:18:42 he had installed slime from debian but has removed it 19:18:55 <_3b> Dawgmatix: you must purge, not just remove it 19:18:57 Dawgmatix: remove all debian related lisp packages, install a binary from sbcl.org and use clbuild 19:19:04 thats the path i am taking 19:19:05 :) 19:19:06 -!- xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:19:28 -!- HET3 is now known as HET2 19:19:42 i have installed sbcl from binary, then compiled a local version so that alt-. works and have now installed slime via clbuild 19:20:12 <_3b> try sudo aptitude purge slime 19:20:54 phf [n=user@host.icnfull.com] has joined #lisp 19:21:21 hallelujah !! 19:21:26 thanks 3b, i owe you one 19:21:58 -!- nipra [n=nipra@122.169.79.188] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:23:22 spacebat [n=akhasha@ppp121-45-68-60.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 19:24:18 xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:25:19 <_3b> if i have a cffi:defbitfield type, how should i define predefined sets of bits? 19:26:12 -!- lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:27:48 -!- alley_cat [i=AlleyCat@sourcemage/elder/alleycat] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:28:32 <_3b> i guess i just add them to the defbitfield? 19:28:50 Adlai: ECLM was wonderful. the talks were very nice except for the one about semantic stuff 19:29:00 that one was awful 19:30:10 fe[nl]ix: do you have an url to semantic stuff talk? 19:30:28 nope 19:30:33 fe[nl]ix: nevermind googled it 19:30:42 slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0A480.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:31:33 rme, just tried to track down what code causes the ASDF-related error, it seems to be related to the POSITION function, I'll annotate my previous paste with the details. 19:31:43 ljames annotated #87058 "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87058#1 19:34:33 -!- ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:34:47 fe[nl]ix: did he just show off racerpro? 19:35:02 -!- mcdonji [n=mcdonji@174.0.93.219] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:35:12 <_3b> and if i am putting the combined values directly into the defbitfield, is there any easy way to do so by name instead of having to add up the values by hand? 19:35:32 HET2: yes 19:36:26 fe[nl]ix: if racerpro works as the website claims it ought to be a pretty neat piece of software 19:36:28 -!- spacebat_ [n=akhasha@ppp121-45-3-125.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:37:14 carlocci [n=nes@93.37.194.33] has joined #lisp 19:37:51 fe[nl]ix: he didn't really explain how fancy prolog integrates with creating "Web 3.0"... also didn't help that it was right after lunch, thus everybody was unfocused 19:38:19 Adlai: fancy prolog? 19:40:42 HET2: well, that's what his app seemed to be... I guess he didn't explain the background enough for my unterstanding. 19:40:47 <_3b> anyone have an opinion on extending the syntax of cffi:defbitfield to allow specifying a value as a list of symbols to be looked up in that bitfield and ORed together to get the value? 19:41:09 myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 19:41:18 -!- ryepup [n=ryepup@one.firewall.gnv.acceleration.net] has left #lisp 19:41:31 _3b: may i see an example of that syntax in action? 19:42:01 Adlai: yeah "semantic web" is unfortunately full of meaningless buzz words 19:42:15 <_3b> Xach: just a sec, making one... 19:42:44 The second half was nice as a "Look at this cool app", but I'd have preferred to have more than just a demo. 19:43:32 Adlai: the general idea is that you have prolog but you don't call it prolog - instead you write it in xml. and that your knowledge base is "the web" 19:43:34 -!- xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:43:39 ljames: I can't duplicate what you're seeing. Did you do a (rebuild-ccl :clean t) after the svn checkout? 19:43:44 -!- prip [n=_prip@host185-130-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:43:56 -!- bobbysmith007 [n=russ@one.firewall.gnv.acceleration.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:43:58 Adlai: i think that it is a little more expressive and less decidable than prolog but i don't remember the details 19:44:19 ljames: http://trac.clozure.com/openmcl/wiki/UpdatingFromSource 19:44:31 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-244.northland.net] has quit [] 19:44:59 _3b pasted "bitfields" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87065 19:45:36 <_3b> the last 3 are examples of what i want to do 19:46:50 rme, no, I just did a checkout of http://svn.clozure.com/publicsvn/openmcl/trunk/windows/ccl/... I'll go do (rebuild-ccl :clean t) 19:47:43 prip [n=_prip@host185-130-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:48:04 <_3b> though i suppose having those in the bitfield might confuse the value->symbol mapping functions 19:50:34 -!- magiuspendragon [n=alokbaik@nom27368d.nomadic.ncsu.edu] has quit ["leaving"] 19:53:01 benny [n=benny@i577A0222.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 19:53:49 Urfin [i=foobar@85.65.93.74.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:25 rme, that fixed it, much thanks! 19:54:47 -!- Hazelesque [n=hazel@pc222.mcs.le.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:56:00 kleppari_ [n=spa@jaki.tolva.is] has joined #lisp 19:57:04 folks, if I run cl inside screen and use slime to connect to it, I won't be able to open any external gui program such as gnuplot. Do you have a workaround? 19:57:28 3b youre working on some 3d software ? 19:57:32 -!- leo2007 [n=leo@131.111.223.202] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:58:26 milanj [n=milan@93.86.58.133] has joined #lisp 19:58:33 ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has joined #lisp 19:58:46 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:58:59 locci [n=nes@93.37.194.33] has joined #lisp 19:59:16 leo2007` [n=leo@sl392.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 19:59:30 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:59:33 -!- HET2 [n=diman@w283.engin.cf.ac.uk] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:59:58 sorry, my emacs just crashed. I'm back. 20:00:09 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 20:01:35 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:03:26 Athas` [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 20:04:29 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:04:51 -!- rread [n=rread@nat/sun/x-kzliwxgmsftolbqu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:05:05 rread [n=rread@nat/sun/x-lfdcbfdbqzsniond] has joined #lisp 20:05:11 -!- Edward_ [n=Ed@AAubervilliers-154-1-73-45.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["L'oignon fait la farce."] 20:06:40 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:08:24 <_3b> Dawgmatix: trying to write bindings for http://assimp.sourceforge.net/ 20:08:26 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:08:41 ahh - to make it play with cl-opengl ? 20:09:17 <_3b> yeah, that is the most likely use 20:09:34 its a worthy cause :) 20:09:52 _3b: trying to make a CL 3d engine? 20:10:10 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:10:10 <_3b> DeusExPikachu: not particularly, i'm more into content creation tools :p 20:10:35 -!- Ogedei [n=user@e178205190.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:10:45 <_3b> (though i will probably end up making at least parts of an engine in the process, if i work on that sort of thing) 20:11:40 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:11:45 3b youre working on this professionally ? 20:12:15 <_3b> nobody is paying me for it at the moment, if that is what you mean 20:12:22 -!- spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-108-111.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 20:12:30 <_3b> (which is another reason i'm not working on a whole engine) 20:12:40 :) 20:12:55 _3b: I guess a framework, or set of tools that create a framework is more useful than just a 3d engine, although it seems most 3d engines are actually bundled in a framework. Anyways I'm interested... 20:13:12 seangrove [n=user@173-11-104-25-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:22 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:15:14 pkhuong: we got floating point environment stuff (including traps) working on all platforms except netbsd now 20:15:24 (in factor) 20:15:34 in particular darwin/x86-64 works great 20:15:42 manuel_ [n=manuel@pD9E6D3CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:44 maybe the issue you guys found with sbcl only occurs on older os x releases? 20:15:48 apple did fix a lot of low level stuff in 10.5 20:16:47 doxtor [n=doxtor@cpe-92-37-0-25.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:14 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:17:49 -!- Athas` is now known as Athas 20:18:07 <_3b> DeusExPikachu: i just remember reading about someone (at bell labs maybe?) going around asking people something like "what's the biggest problem in your field? and why aren't you working on that?", and thinking about that and deciding the biggest problem in game dev is not being able to create content fast enough to feed the tech... so i want to work on tools now :) 20:20:23 _3b: I agree, although I think it even applies to non-game development. I feel like most people are still stuck in a 2d world because there is a lack of accessible 3d content creation tools in comparison 20:20:26 <_3b> unfortunately i also switched to lisp around that time, so now i have to write all my coding tools/libraries too, so i'm a bit behind on that goal :p 20:21:10 _3b: I am in a similar predicament 20:23:05 I'm actually kind of interesetd in 3d presentation software 20:23:08 -!- xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:23:17 which I don't see in existance yet 20:23:38 Guest10331 [n=user@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:23:40 <_3b> not sure what you would want there 20:23:59 <_3b> you could always just put your slides on the walls of a quake level and wander around it while you talk :p 20:24:07 the idea is to make something more like video editing power in something simple like a power point 20:24:57 so to represent ideas better in 3 dimensions. The idea of moving around in your presenting environment is actually an interesting direction imo 20:25:13 <_3b> does cffi have any convenient way to copy a foreign structure? 20:25:34 I wouldn't recommend the asdw buttons for movement though, something a bit more high level like move to this object 20:25:57 -!- carlocci [n=nes@93.37.194.33] has quit [No buffer space available] 20:26:12 -!- locci is now known as carlocci 20:27:51 _3b: maybe not. We certainly should have a memcpy thingie, yeah. 20:27:54 -!- Guest10331 [n=user@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:28:05 yes! 20:28:34 <_3b> luis`: might also be nice to have a with-copy-of-foreign-struct or something (which is what i want atm) 20:28:37 -!- luis` is now known as Master-Luis 20:29:03 <_3b> luis`: also, did you see my earlier cffi:defbitfield idea? 20:29:15 _3b: please call me Master Luís from now on. 20:29:43 *Master-Luis* finished his Master's today. :-) 20:29:58 _3b: no, I haven't. I'll check it out. 20:30:03 Master-Luis: congrats! 20:30:03 congrats! 20:30:07 *DeusExPikachu* claps 20:30:24 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:32:18 -!- blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has quit [] 20:32:25 -!- Ralith [n=ralith@d142-058-091-116.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:32:26 _3b: richard hamming, "you and your research" 20:32:58 jsnell: what happened last night? I went to get my bag and everyone vanished. 20:33:11 _3b annotated #87065 "implementation" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/87065#1 20:33:21 oh, oops. I don't think anybody did a headcount 20:34:34 the bartender was starting to look pretty angry, so the people who wanted to continue went to find some seedy bar at the reeperbahn 20:34:35 jsnell: yeah, well. I took that time to finish up my presentation and rest a little so I guess that worked out OK. Too bad I didn't get to say goodbye to everyone. 20:35:06 <_3b> jsnell: yeah, that looks like what i was thinking of 20:35:32 (I left for my hotel, since I had a sufficiently early flight to catch too) 20:36:08 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 20:37:57 slava: sounds plausible. I should test on 10.5. 20:39:03 netbsd seems to deliver traps at the wrong time, or something. its really messed up 20:43:37 nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:43:53 hi nikodemus 20:44:08 levy [n=levy@apn-94-44-7-165.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 20:44:19 ohh.. i'd simply _love_ fp traps working in darwin... we've got a lot of slow code that attempts to catch div-by-zero in one of my projects. 20:44:25 Kickaha [n=user@108.36.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 20:45:21 (i had no idea CL didn't require an error there until someone tried to test on their mac... there was egg on my face for sure) 20:46:02 heh .. i just connected to the VPN... i'm not sure i'm even in the channel right now. 20:46:08 minion: chant 20:46:09 MORE OR LESS 20:46:14 ok, good 20:48:29 -!- dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:49:04 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-76-104-2-182.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:40 drewc: (sb-int:floating-point-modes), look at the accrued exceptions. 20:51:10 if you (/ 1 2) should this be a single or a double?.. but now lets divide that result by 3 .. now what should it be? 20:51:34 SingFloats vs DoubleFloats 20:51:35 dmiles_akf: a rational. 20:51:46 so it implmentation specific? 20:51:58 no, a rational. 20:52:06 (/ 1 2) => 1/2 20:52:20 (/ 1.0 2.0) 20:52:28 => .5 20:52:45 (/ 1.0D 2.0D) => 0.5D ? 20:53:57 oops i better get my syntax right 20:53:59 the syntax is 1d0 I believe 20:54:13 thanks :D 20:54:20 -!- araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:54:28 its 0.5d0 then 20:54:32 if you do it right 20:54:45 you don't have a repl handy? 20:55:14 i fired one up and stated testing after you responded with => 20:55:26 started 20:55:40 araujo [n=araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:56:38 -!- nipra_ [n=nipra@122.169.9.189] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:57:01 i am playing with a lisp that not passing some up/down casting tests .. well actually just getting some presisions wrong.. so i trying to figure out if that is why 20:57:21 Jasko2 [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:21 usually if you cobine a double and asingle operation.. then it'll take on double representation right/ or does it sometimes choose a single is still applicable? 20:58:22 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:59:02 s\/\?\g 20:59:20 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:59:20 v0|d [n=user@213.232.33.243] has joined #lisp 21:01:02 -!- barkley [n=barkley@99.188.224.229] has left #lisp 21:01:20 pkhuong: so accrued exceptions will hold a list of exceptions thrown from the FP code if it's not trapped? 21:03:02 <_3b> dmiles_akf: i think the result should be the widest type, but i think it is allowed to not expand intermediate results in some cases 21:03:46 drewc: actually, let me see if 10.5 magically fixes our issues w/ darwin 21:04:57 clhs double-float 21:04:57 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_short_.htm 21:05:30 dfgfgfsdfdsf [n=doxtor@cpe-92-37-22-45.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:47 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:06:37 -!- dfgfgfsdfdsf [n=doxtor@cpe-92-37-22-45.dynamic.amis.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:06:45 matt____1 [n=matt@host86-139-71-4.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:07:47 _3b: the opposite of narrowing 21:07:51 -!- ASau is now known as ASau` 21:07:59 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:22 DeusExPikachu: ok yeah reading that.. it does offer some guidance 21:08:29 <_3b> http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/12_add.htm 21:08:46 OmniMancer1 [n=OmniManc@122-57-11-56.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:08:53 there, that answers it 21:09:09 good night 21:09:12 -!- serichsen [n=svante@hmbg-4d066559.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ["leaving"] 21:10:13 oops not my specific question but lets me know what the single and double are supposed to be 21:10:55 the specific Q i think i have: is when should I narrow vs widden 21:11:06 sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:11:34 -!- OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@122-57-20-76.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:11:43 -!- OmniMancer1 is now known as OmniMancer 21:14:54 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:15:38 ASau [n=user@83.69.240.52] has joined #lisp 21:15:46 (eql (/ 1 3d0) (/ 1 3.0)) => NIL . hrrm 21:16:45 well its true 21:16:53 <_3b> numbers are only eql if the same type 21:17:03 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@212-198-78-230.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:17:11 also (/ 1 3.0) = 0.33333334 21:17:16 oh sourry.. i'll use equalp 21:17:37 drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-129-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:17:45 (equalp (/ 1 3d0) (/ 1 3.0)) => NIL 21:17:48 -!- drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-129-248.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 21:18:00 the expressions have different numerical values, if *read-default-float-format* isn't double-float 21:18:36 <_3b> right, there you run into the precision problems 21:18:37 ah that might be 1/2 the issue why the lisp ios failing the Maxima tests 21:18:47 the *read-default-float-format* needs to be played with 21:18:56 dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:06 -!- doxtor [n=doxtor@unaffiliated/mitja] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:19:13 they're also completely different values 21:19:28 doxtor [n=doxtor@unaffiliated/mitja] has joined #lisp 21:19:38 -!- sepult [n=user@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 21:19:45 -!- marioxcc is now known as marioxcc-AFK 21:20:01 yeah I had that problem before, forgot to mention that 21:20:56 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:21:07 but for me it was because the precision of single's was not enough 21:24:36 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@92.229.117.128] has quit ["humhum"] 21:25:19 DeusExPikachu: the maxima tests or something else you were doing? 21:25:49 no, I was reading in values to do some computation but some values were so small that the equation ended multiplying by 0 21:25:54 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 21:26:01 that screwed up the final result 21:26:33 switching *read-default-float-format* to double-float fixed it 21:29:38 -!- tagac [n=user@164.36.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 21:29:38 -!- pdenno [n=pdenno@bigfuzz.mxnet.mel.nist.gov] has quit [Read error: 105 (No buffer space available)] 21:30:25 -!- moocow [n=new@mail.fredcanhelp.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:31:00 -!- kleppari_ [n=spa@jaki.tolva.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:32:31 -!- phf [n=user@host.icnfull.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:34:53 slava: where do you get the guilty trap in the siginfo_t? 21:36:43 CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 21:37:04 -!- coliv [n=Coliveir@12.15.114.194] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:37:56 -!- pjb [n=t@85-169-63-25.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:38:25 -!- merus [n=merus@pal-176-050.itap.purdue.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:38:52 pkhuong: we get it with mach exception handlers not signals 21:39:00 -!- nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:39:17 pkhuong: http://gitweb.factorcode.org/gitweb.cgi?p=factor/.git;a=blob_plain;f=vm/mach_signal.cpp;hb=HEAD 21:39:31 -!- Hun [n=hun@pd956be5d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:39:48 Smart. 21:40:03 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 21:40:20 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:40:30 -!- matt____1 [n=matt@host86-139-71-4.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:40:39 -!- LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:40:47 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@port-14940.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:41:43 Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 21:44:37 -!- Geralt [n=Geralt@unaffiliated/thegeralt] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:44:50 -!- marioxcc-AFK is now known as marioxcc 21:45:32 GrayMagiker [n=steve@c-68-54-2-128.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:38 drewc: FP modes seem to stick. Now to see if I can get the exception code. 21:47:33 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has quit [] 21:47:42 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@32.175.174.73] has joined #lisp 21:48:26 -!- dialtone_ is now known as dialtone 21:49:51 -!- levy [n=levy@apn-94-44-7-165.vodafone.hu] has quit ["..."] 21:50:51 dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 21:51:09 pkhuong: !! 21:51:34 *drewc* hopes that 'upgrade your OS' is acceptable to his clients 21:53:33 10.4 is fairly old by now. 21:53:51 pjb [n=t@85-169-63-25.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 21:56:30 -!- dysinger [n=dysinger@24.18.234.48] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:56:35 -!- Kickaha [n=user@108.36.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:56:48 even I, cheap bastard that I am, upgraded from 10.4 21:57:02 and with 10.6, it's even more important I think. 21:57:39 -!- ljames [n=ln@unaffiliated/ljames] has quit [] 21:58:20 -!- adeht [n=death@bzq-84-110-249-31.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:59:15 -!- hugod [n=hugod@modemcable086.138-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has quit [] 22:00:05 -!- redline6561 [n=redline@gate-20.spsu.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:00:41 -!- leo2007` is now known as leo2007 22:00:54 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:01:13 snow leopard is a $29 upgrade. and from what i hear the upgrade mechanism for snow leopard works on tiger (10.4) too 22:01:19 so you can upgrade for $29 :) 22:04:14 mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142177072209.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:25 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.86.58.133] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:05:42 rvirding [n=chatzill@h69n1c1o1034.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 22:06:16 dysinger [n=dysinger@c-24-18-234-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:09:18 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 22:09:27 -!- Kenjin [n=Kenjin@89.181.68.0] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/"] 22:10:05 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:12:58 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@32.175.174.73] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:13:59 It occurs to me that a new Lisp-machine-ish OS would get a fair bit of attention if it could operate in "Hollywood mode" 22:14:12 Makoryu: what do you mean? 22:14:37 hollywood mode? 22:14:41 A minimalist interface with ridiculous amounts of 3D background animations and snappy electronic music 22:14:43 fancy 3d UI? 22:14:53 As if you were playing Uplink or working for Torchwood 22:14:57 lol 22:15:37 yes, parens flying around. 22:15:45 lol 22:15:45 visualizing the AST... 22:15:55 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 22:15:58 impossible to use but very very eye catching :P 22:16:10 mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 22:16:18 I don't see why those features wouldn't be useful 22:16:22 A fine-print compilation report constantly scrolling by in the background 22:16:35 DeusExPikachu: It would be purely for marketing purposes, really. 22:16:35 nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@32.175.174.73] has joined #lisp 22:16:37 locci [n=nes@93.37.194.33] has joined #lisp 22:17:22 I don't see why we couldn't incorporate that... maybe something to think about for the CL desktop 22:17:48 -!- carlocci [n=nes@93.37.194.33] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:17:52 -!- locci is now known as carlocci 22:18:16 compiz, for example, is not all eye-candy 22:19:11 -!- trebor_dki [n=user@130.83.156.186] has left #lisp 22:19:30 -!- silenius [n=jl@dslb-088-073-074-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:20:30 Demosthenes [n=demo@ipn36372-f96131.cidr.lightship.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:12 -!- dto [n=user@pool-98-118-1-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:24:18 -!- Fare [n=Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:25:45 -!- CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:26:58 -!- OmniMancer [n=OmniManc@122-57-11-56.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:33:07 -!- segv [n=mb@p4FC1E119.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:33:41 ljames [n=ln@unaffiliated/ljames] has joined #lisp 22:33:54 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@65.67.252.194] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:34:01 Aszarsha [n=chatzill@88-121-124-168.rev.libertysurf.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:19 coderdad [n=coderdad@mail.mwtrophy.com] has joined #lisp 22:38:35 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:38:58 Petein [n=ask@adsl24-60.lsf.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 22:39:09 what can lisp do that python doesnt? 22:39:21 Petein: speed 22:39:22 -!- mrSpec [n=Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [] 22:39:30 Petein: homoiconicity 22:39:36 Petein: attract trolls ;) 22:39:36 Petein: macros 22:39:38 drewc what can python do that lisp can't? 22:39:55 marketing 22:39:59 <_3b> nothing 22:39:59 Petein: no parens ;-) 22:40:02 im about to learn a scripting lang.im programming in java at the moment and need smth simplier 22:40:04 Petein: nothing. 22:40:15 <_3b> (note that can't and doesn't might get different answers) 22:40:15 Petein: lisp is not a scripting language 22:40:40 dreish with which programming langs can you compare lisp? 22:41:04 JavaScript :p (except macros, which really are unique to Lisp) 22:41:22 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:30 mishoo it is awful to look ( ) everywhere 22:41:48 Petein: yeah, at first sight, but you can get used to it 22:41:58 <_3b> better than , everywhere 22:42:07 Petein: in Perl I commonly ended my statements with }}]}))]]]}] 22:42:07 mishoo i started with pascal, c, java, matlab 22:42:12 i cant get into this one 22:42:15 better in lisp where you have only one type of paren :p 22:42:21 im more into start learning python 22:42:33 its much simpler compared to java 22:42:43 CrazyEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 22:42:57 everything seems to be much simpler when compared to java ;-) 22:43:02 when i ll need some speed i ll write in java, if i ll need real speed c/c++ 22:43:08 python is cool. go for it. 22:43:31 when i ll want to do something with little code then python 22:43:48 Petein: good choice 22:43:51 ive seen so many cool things when reading the python docs 22:44:17 mcspiff im much into performance, also did some high performance experiments, publications etc 22:44:29 Petein: very cool 22:44:33 *mishoo* thinks ..oO( what you see is what you get :-p ) 22:44:40 mcspiff but its time to learn something more...i also like web programming, but java rules :P 22:45:48 yeah, especially in web programming, java is amazing: you need a team of 50 programmers to do the job of 2 Perl programmers 22:46:02 *mishoo* thinks ..oO( and probably 0.2 Lisp programmers, but that I'll have to find out :-p ) 22:46:11 mishoo perl isnt so powerful 22:46:18 mishoo java servlets are the future 22:46:33 mishoo: (defntierwebapp facebook ...) 22:46:49 java itself is the future: "the power of yesterday's computers, today!" 22:47:04 mishoo ok where should we write our web apps? 22:47:17 javascript on the client, java servlets on server 22:47:22 or php on the server? 22:47:24 dralston [n=dralston@70.69.230.164] has joined #lisp 22:47:28 HET2 [n=diman@cpc1-cdif3-0-0-cust705.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:37 Petein: why not python if you wanted to learn it? 22:48:44 Petein: IMO (seriously now) if you're doing Java or PHP, you'd better have tons of cash, of a horde of 5$/h (indian?) programmers 22:49:34 why? 22:49:38 redline6561 [n=redline@c-66-56-16-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:49:42 im a uni student 22:49:47 going now for an msc in the uk 22:49:48 let us talk about lisp, please 22:50:22 rme: agreed 22:50:33 sorry guys 22:50:54 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@mail.mwtrophy.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 22:51:55 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:54 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:53:50 -!- sohail1 [n=sohail@99.251.84.57] has quit [Client Quit] 22:53:56 LiamH [n=nobody@pool-151-200-238-90.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:38 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@32.175.174.73] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:55:43 sohail [n=sohail@CPE001839a305c5-CM000a73a081a5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 22:57:19 spacebat_ [n=akhasha@ppp121-45-109-210.lns10.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:19 -!- roygbiv [n=none@pdpc/supporter/active/roygbiv] has left #lisp 22:59:54 redblue [i=star@ppp135.108-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 23:00:06 -!- sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:01:23 sepult [n=levgue@xdsl-87-78-173-177.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:03:32 *mishoo* is happy that Lisp doesn't have an ubiquitous "on rails"-like web framework 23:03:46 mishoo: Lisp on Lines! \o/ 23:04:01 oh, it has? 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