00:00:25 JAS415: his page could really use some minimal CSS touchup 00:00:52 mathrick: Fairly certain that page predates CSS by a couple years. 00:00:55 i mean i guess on current architectures it might be kind of slow, but i would think there could be an architecture that minimizes the problems 00:01:50 pkhuong: right, I didn't notice that it wasn't only the bottom links that ended around 1995, the top ones too 00:02:37 yeah don't let the lack of nice style-sheets put you off reading the postscript files 00:03:24 pizdets [n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:03:28 -!- pizzledizzle [n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:09:57 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-31-78.netcologne.de] has quit ["leaving"] 00:12:19 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:14:44 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:16:09 legumbre_ [n=user@r190-135-29-112.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 00:18:44 -!- ignas [n=ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:21:58 Hey all :) I'm still pretty new to lisp, slowly working my way through, as I have time, and I'd like to know if there is a nice lisp shell that I can use for experimenting with lisp. Currently I'm using sbcls shell, but it's a bit annoying, every time I mistype something I get a full page of debug output and get dropped into debugger mode. Also it doesn't seem to have any command history and doesn't support 'Home' and 'End', which is mil 00:21:59 dly annoying. 00:22:26 minion: tell whoppix about slime 00:22:27 whoppix: direct your attention towards slime: SLIME is the Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs. http://www.cliki.net/slime 00:22:33 -!- Suttonian [n=Suttonia@5ac8249b.bb.sky.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 00:22:36 use the slime-repl. 00:22:56 kpreid, ah, I haven't thought of that, even though I already have slime installed. Thanks! 00:23:11 In fact, I recommend using the slime-repl even if you don't like editing with emacs 00:23:30 (and who wouldn't like that?!) 00:23:40 the only way to learn lisp is through immersion and hours of zen-like meditation :P 00:24:07 immersion in jam, specifically. 00:25:34 froog [n=user@90-224-38-87-no94.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 00:25:37 *kpreid* has somehow forgotten how he learned CL. 00:30:30 zophy-ng [n=sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has joined #lisp 00:32:51 -!- legumbre [n=user@r190-135-50-233.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:38:08 -!- zophy-ng [n=sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 00:38:08 kpreid, thanks, thats much better (even though I'm still not particularily fond of emacs). 00:38:42 whoppix: currently, SLIME is the best choice. You don't have to use emacs for anything else. 00:39:04 Adlai, yeah, but I'll try to get used to it. 00:39:17 -!- zophy [n=sy@host-242-6-111-24-static.midco.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:39:54 hmm, another thing, this question might sound a bit dumb, but.. after I installed emacs from my mirror, I automatically got an emacs with GTK+ interface. Does emacs have some console-only mode? 00:40:05 one of the big advantages of SLIME is its integration with files. I actually am not a huge fan of it's debugger. 00:40:16 whoppix: try emacs -nw 00:40:17 whoppix: from the command line, "emcas -nw" 00:40:28 ah, thanks a lot! 00:40:51 Ok, but now it can't capture my meta-key anymore. 00:41:10 (the gtk interface is pretty nice if you want to try out some themes, most of them look garbage on console) 00:41:18 hm, that's an issue. 00:41:29 I think ESC works as a meta 00:41:40 Adlai, true! thanks a lot. 00:41:57 ie, "ESC x slime" is the same as "M-x slime" 00:42:06 Yeah, works great. 00:42:24 good to know anyway, I still have some boxes standing around that don't even have a meta-key. 00:42:47 -!- schoppen1auer is now known as schoppenhauer 00:43:29 if you have a control key that's easy to reach, you might want to make a control binding that gives you the same effect as M-x 00:43:40 (because every command can be run from M-x 00:44:09 I've got C-c C-m bound to that 00:44:13 nanobit [n=nanobit@ip216-239-92-102.vif.net] has joined #lisp 00:44:37 Adlai, escape works for now, I'll think about it once I got some more used to emacs. 00:44:40 so even when I use the console mode, I can still do M-x (which is by far the most common use of the Meta key in Emacs, afaik) 00:44:42 I'm still feeling pretty alien. 00:44:59 there's a page with some good tips, let me see if I can find it... 00:45:35 http://steve.yegge.googlepages.com/effective-emacs 00:46:04 Thanks a lot, Adlai. 00:46:33 -!- Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483EDA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:46:34 Not all the tips on that page will be useful, tbh. 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But, I noticed that, even though I have Aquamacs installed, clbuild slime kicks off a terminal version of emacs that I believe comes preinstalled on OSX 10.5. How can I persuade clbuild to use my Aquamacs? 02:53:06 you can just tell slime in aquamacs to use clbuild's lisp as the inferior lisp 02:53:09 (that's what I do) 02:53:40 How do I access slime in Aquamacs? 02:54:00 just add the clbuild slime directory (clbuild/sources/slime/ it is, IIRC) to the load-path, then set inferior-lisp to ".../clbuild/clbuild lisp" - and that should be it 02:54:26 Thanks! 02:54:27 then you should be able to M-x slime and it'll start the clbuild lisp 02:54:31 hope this wroks 02:54:43 Well, I can but try... 02:54:45 been a long time since I looked at that part of my slime setup (: 02:54:51 I appreciate the tip 02:55:00 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 02:55:37 (ah, the variable is called inferior-lisp-program) 02:57:41 Should I be making those settings in my ~/.emacs file? 03:00:42 hmm interesting... sbcl and ecl appear to generate errors (simple-error for ecl, sb-int:stream-decoding-error for sbcl) at read-char if an invalid sequence is read, yet for at least one of those other utf8 applications I use seem to read it 03:00:56 will have to look into the implementations tomorrow possibly 03:02:31 I think that the character "á" triggers such error for instance but I'll have to test more throughly 03:04:15 or at least the version of a similar character which is part of sad0ur_'s ircname :) 03:04:40 which x-chat and urxvt decode to the above char 03:05:41 -!- lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:07:25 so of course if not using a custom read-line a whole line is lost in the occurance of such a sequence 03:07:58 s/in the/at the/ 03:08:01 lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 03:12:03 or if not using a byte-neutral external format of course 03:16:46 -!- Adlai [n=adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:18:09 Adlai [n=user@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 03:19:53 -!- Ginei_Morioka [i=irssi_lo@78.114.174.169] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 03:20:00 Ginei_Morioka [i=irssi_lo@78.112.49.208] has joined #lisp 03:21:27 tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 03:21:33 Greetings. 03:21:49 pkhuong: ping 03:25:09 Test... 1-2-3 Test... 1-2-3 Is this thing on? 03:26:06 you can't expect him to appear right away 03:26:54 It was the lack of traffic in here that prompted that, not the lack of pkhuong. 03:26:59 antifuchs, Thanks! SLIME is now working with Aquamacs. Your directions were right on the money. 03:29:12 gugamilare [n=gugamila@201-75-224-81-am.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #lisp 03:29:24 -!- gugamilare [n=gugamila@201-75-224-81-am.cpe.vivax.com.br] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:31:49 On a totally unrelated note, I have some code I'm modifying that is in the public domain. I'd like to slap some verbage at the top of the source files indicating that, does someone have some boilerplate for public domain? 03:32:36 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 03:33:09 -!- lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:33:19 lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 03:34:14 tmh: look at the sbcl source 03:34:35 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 03:35:00 GrayGnome` [n=MuneNoKa@user-11fa52h.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 03:38:36 -!- cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-179-66-150.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:38:49 cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-179-66-150.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:27 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:43:52 -!- froog [n=user@90-224-38-87-no94.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:45:33 logBot6667 [n=logBot@59.92.135.124] has joined #lisp 03:48:32 -!- logBot6667 [n=logBot@59.92.135.124] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:48:43 logBot0249 [n=logBot@59.92.135.124] has joined #lisp 03:49:22 -!- lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:50:45 -!- logBot0249 [n=logBot@59.92.135.124] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:02:36 lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has joined #lisp 04:03:23 -!- drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-132-131.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:09:02 morganb [n=user@ip24-136-41-126.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:09:47 doobie [n=doobie@cpe-024-211-237-075.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:10:45 -!- doobie [n=doobie@cpe-024-211-237-075.nc.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 04:11:06 doobie [n=doobie@cpe-024-211-237-075.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:13:10 -!- doobie [n=doobie@cpe-024-211-237-075.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 04:13:24 doobie [n=doobie@cpe-024-211-237-075.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:13:42 tmh: have a look at http://darcs.informatimago.com/public/emacs/pjb-source.el 04:13:43 -!- malcolm_reynolds [n=malcolm_@78-86-4-156.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 04:14:08 Theres a pjb-add-header which let you choose which license to use. 04:14:36 (along with a pjb-change-license command if you change your mind). 04:15:27 g'day 04:15:41 Make it http://darcs.informatimago.com/emacs/pjb-sources.el 04:16:28 slava: Thanks, that was the inspiration I needed. 04:16:37 pjb: Is that part of some larger package? 04:17:32 That's part of my emacs stuff. You may try to extract a few functions, but I offer no guarantee of standaloness. 04:17:51 -!- GrayGnome` [n=MuneNoKa@user-11fa52h.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:18:17 -!- gko [n=gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [No route to host] 04:18:28 pjb: I just noticed the summary.html, I'll look through that. 04:18:56 http://www.informatimago.com/develop/emacs/ is the home page. 04:20:14 It's not uptodate, cvs has been replaced by darcs... :-( 04:20:49 -!- pizzledizzle [n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Success] 04:21:52 Still looks good. I don't have too many files, but it still may be worth my time to learn to use some of your stuff. I use darcs, so that's fine with me. 04:30:07 -!- logBot9573 [n=logBot@59.92.135.124] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:34:12 People that use single variable names should be given a verbal warning followed by a written one if they don't reform. After that, a finger should be broken for each infraction. I used to use single variable names, but I reformed. It's time to start spreading the message. 04:34:56 What do you call "single variable name"? 04:35:26 Sorry, single letter name. As in i,j and t,s. 04:36:04 t is a constant. Otherwise, in general yes. There are exceptions. 04:36:23 pjb: This is in C, but the principle applies. 04:36:55 For look indices, i,j may be justified. 04:36:58 *loop 04:37:32 I used to agree, but now I prefer i0 and i1, it makes it easier for searching. 04:37:45 *kpreid* feels that a variable name's length should be adjusted according to its scope and frequency of use 04:38:26 tmh: search for regexp \ 04:40:47 Just tried that on for(i=1;i Thanks 04:41:23 Thanks to emacs! :-) 04:41:49 tmh: calling them i0 or i1 or etc would be even worse, sinc eit would suggest some opaque special meaning 04:41:51 -!- ausente [n=user7994@187.34.44.222] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:42:04 'i' can generally be safely assumed to be a loop index. 04:42:35 Well, it does have a meaning, i0 is the first index, i1 is the second and so forth. Seems logical to me. 04:42:37 i like to name my string variables i just to mess with people 04:43:14 By first index, I mean outer most loop. 04:43:37 i, j, sometimes k 04:43:38 :-) 04:43:59 tmh: oh, in *nested* loops, yeah 04:44:09 i/j/k works too though 04:44:30 perhaps less well if you've got a bad editor 04:44:36 but we're lispers; we don't use bad editors ^^ 04:45:27 sometimes i feel like i'm the only one who doesn't use the loop macro extensively 04:46:02 -!- GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:46:04 JAS415: { char* i="abc"; for(int s=0;s<3;s++){putchar(s[i]);}} // >:->} 04:46:06 JAS415: I'm a recent convert. There are still places where I use dotimes, dolist and do, but I mainly use loop now. 04:46:14 tmh: pong? 04:46:50 Hey pkhuong, have you seen Scimark2? -> http://math.nist.gov/scimark2/index.html 04:47:12 i like how there's a smilie face embedded in it 04:47:52 i think its just because i've only really dealth with code somewhere between CLTL and ansi 04:48:00 >:->} 04:48:21 tmh: nope, what makes this one interesting? 04:48:27 oh wait 04:48:34 or is that not part of the code 04:48:44 -!- nvoorhies [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 04:49:02 You may customize smiley-regexp-alist to remove ? after the dash. 04:49:04 its not, i've just had too much beer 04:49:26 pkhuong: It reports the results in MFlops. There is equivalent C and Java code. I've been working, slowly in my *spare* time, on the lisp translation. 04:49:42 ;) is not a smiley. It should be written ;-) 04:49:50 woah 04:50:05 "Can the original source code be further optimizied? Some optimizations are done by hand, such as multidimensional array aliasing and loop unrolling, but the source codes could be further optimized. (Eventually, most of these should be performed by a good optimizing compiler.)" <- that one doesn't inspire confidence cross-language 04:50:11 ikki [n=ikki@189.139.218.85] has joined #lisp 04:50:49 the brackets don't even balance, what type of programming language is this :-P 04:51:27 pkhuong: Well, looking at the code would inspire even less confidence, but I like the approach and think it can be cleaned up. I thought it might be useful for evaluating changes to SBCL. 04:52:15 The approach being reporting the results in terms of MFLOPS> 04:54:30 I started out today putting together the lisp version of the FFT code, but have spent most of the evening editing the C code. I've scanned the Java code and it looks as rough. But, it's an interesting little side project and has potential. 04:58:15 tmh: sure, as a regression test, it could be interesting. The fact that it focuses on non-cache effects isn't too useful. 04:58:26 The approach is also looking at performance for different numerical things: FFT, SOR, Monte Carlo, Sparse matrix multiply and LU factorization. 04:59:53 pkhuong: You can run large versions that will be out of cache. 05:00:10 pizzledizzle [n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:01:46 There is a lot of room for refinement, my list of open items is growing fast as I work through the code. 05:02:07 -!- icylisper [n=icylispe@115.99.32.68] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:03:21 icylisper [n=icylispe@115.99.32.68] has joined #lisp 05:04:35 plage [n=user@81.82.210.57] has joined #lisp 05:04:38 Good morning. 05:05:52 Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #lisp 05:09:44 antifuchs: Indeed, gilberth is back. I hope he stays for a while. 05:10:29 logBot0491 [n=logBot@59.92.156.101] has joined #lisp 05:10:48 -!- logBot0491 [n=logBot@59.92.156.101] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:11:16 -!- doobie [n=doobie@cpe-024-211-237-075.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Peace out."] 05:12:01 -!- bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [] 05:12:54 SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.161.46.116] has joined #lisp 05:20:44 GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:13 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-213-24.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 05:30:54 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@KD124213182069.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:33:20 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:34:24 c|mell [n=cmell@KD124213182069.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:36:21 -!- JAS415 [n=jon@ip24-250-13-137.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #lisp 05:38:58 I forget, can we do "info bubbles" in McCLIM, i.e. display something when the cursor moves over an output record? 05:41:03 I mean, I am sure I could program it myself by using something like highlight-presentation, but I was wondering whether something already exists. 05:48:49 nothing springs to mind 05:50:39 Well, maybe using popups is a bad idea anyway. Here is the application I am thinking of: I display a text in Vietnamese, and when I mouse over a word, I get the translation in some other window. I was thinking that other window should be a popup, but it is probably better to have a separate pane actually. 05:51:06 if you look at the not so recently enhanced bordered output code, which I in my enthusiasm made a complete mess of, it uses some presentation highlighting method to change the color of the border to make it light up under the cursor, so that approach definitely works 05:52:02 hefner: Yeah, I figured, I'll make a presentation-method on highlight-presentation that just displays the dictionary entry in a different pane. That would be easy enough to program. 05:53:42 -!- lukego [n=lukegorr@84-75-21-37.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 06:00:26 Hmm, that application would be very different from the others I have written 06:00:45 At least in terms of display-time of the panes. 06:02:42 doesn't necessarily have to be 06:05:09 -!- GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:05:46 hefner: No, but the other applications I have written have used a data structure that gets updated as a result of using the application, so it needs to redisplay at each iteration of the command loop. This is not the case here. 06:06:27 hefner: Furthermore, IIRC highlighting is not synchronized with the command loop, so if I display something in a pane as a result of highlighting, I need to redisplay "manually" right then. 06:06:46 hefner: In those two respects, this application would be different from others I have written. 06:10:36 hefner: Or am I missing something? 06:14:23 that sounds correct, yes, but exactly when the pane is drawn into, and on behalf of whom (whether from a display function invoked by the command loop, a display function invoke by the user, or as random drawing into the pane), seems like a minor detail to me. 06:15:36 It might be. It is just that I have no experience with applications like that. 06:15:54 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-172-094.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 06:20:12 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-76-104-2-182.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:21:16 -!- tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has left #lisp 06:26:40 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1ED0.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:27:06 loxs [n=loxs@82.119.85.174] has joined #lisp 06:30:48 benny [n=benny@i577A1A16.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 06:32:59 -!- loxs [n=loxs@82.119.85.174] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:38:48 loxs [n=loxs@82.119.85.174] has joined #lisp 06:43:21 -!- plage [n=user@81.82.210.57] has left #lisp 06:43:37 daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 06:45:58 -!- amaron_ [n=amaron@cable-94-189-243-158.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:49:02 How do I get me some file creation date information? 06:49:24 and access date i guess. 06:53:03 nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:53:23 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 06:57:04 quek [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 06:58:13 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-213-24.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:59:43 -!- daniel [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:12:40 gko [n=gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 07:16:39 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:21:59 -!- pchrist_ [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit ["leaving"] 07:22:31 pchrist [n=spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 07:26:54 schme: besides FILE-WRITE-DATE you probably have to use external libraries 07:29:41 creation and access times aren't very useful anyway, except to look at. 07:30:51 -!- Gertm [n=user@mail.dzine.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:31:07 Gertm [n=user@mail.dzine.be] has joined #lisp 07:31:19 access time is a stupid idea 07:31:25 just increases disk IO for little gain 07:39:07 -!- seisatsu [n=seisatsu@adsl-63-198-106-143.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:49:11 IIRC file-write-date works vs. file-creation time and (if modified since created) file-modification time 07:50:49 say what? 07:51:51 what what? 07:53:49 -!- pizzledizzle [n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 07:59:16 sb-posix has stuff for access-time .. 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But I noticed that sbcl did not go happy when I tried to build it with it disabled :) 10:19:15 -!- serichsen [n=harleqin@xdsl-81-173-154-62.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:22:12 hefner: ctimes are enormously useful 10:22:22 atimes probably less so, but occasionally come in handy 10:24:27 -!- nvoorhies_ [n=nvoorhie@adsl-75-36-204-63.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 10:25:33 I am bit of journal software and I generally just want to pick the latest created entry. 10:25:44 Seemed ctime would be a good way to go. :P 10:29:07 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 10:31:25 caliostro [n=chatzill@dynamic-adsl-94-38-73-181.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 10:36:21 -!- quek [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has left #lisp 10:39:44 -!- amaron [n=amaron@cable-94-189-243-158.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:39:45 quek [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 10:41:28 mathrick: useful for what? half of mine reflect the time I copied the old disk to this one (and maybe I'm doing it wrong, but why break a habit of years), and then on the other hand things unpack out of archive files with their own ctime when I'd rather they have the time they were unpacked. 10:42:25 hefner: if you did it right, it should reflect the times they were created on the old disk, which is exactly the thing that's so useful about ctimes 10:43:11 because most archive formats get ctimes right, they can give you a lot of clue about the age of random undated archives floating around the net (which is most of them) 10:43:50 mathrick: "created" ?? 10:43:58 -!- SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.161.46.116] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:44:17 hmm, or maybe I just confused myself and meant mtimes 10:44:21 I probably did 10:47:19 hmm, I'm totally confused. 10:49:05 I had mtime and ctime mixed up. Sorting by ctime is, for my purposes, helpful. 10:50:12 chris2 [n=chris@dslb-094-216-093-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:51:22 so you both mixed up ctimes and mtimes and now you still disagree? 10:51:23 the ctime is not a very useful piece of information 10:51:26 it means too many things 10:52:22 that may be, but it seems like the most convenient one by which to sort a directory listing 10:52:53 -!- lat_ [n=lat@125.167.140.159] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 10:52:59 caliostro_ [n=chatzill@dynamic-adsl-94-38-74-209.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 10:53:11 fiveop [n=fiveop@g229161040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 10:53:17 hefner: why not mtime? 10:57:19 my use case is as follows: I download a zip file. I unzip the file. I list the directory. I would like it sorted such that the newly created files are at the bottom of the listing. Sorting by mtime, they will instead be somewhere in the middle, because their mtime came from metadata in the archive. Sorting by ctime, they seem to be where I would like. 10:58:10 -!- caliostro [n=chatzill@dynamic-adsl-94-38-73-181.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:58:12 -!- caliostro_ is now known as caliostro 10:58:16 (I like my directory listings to reflect chronologically what I've been doing in that directory) 11:00:25 <[df]> unzip -DD? 11:00:50 (this seems like a kludge, and yeah, maybe I should just learn the appropriate switches to the archiver programs) 11:01:58 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0A9F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:03:02 slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0A9F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:04:21 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:04:21 and then moving the files around will wipe the ctimes, which is bad, yet if I move a single file into a directory, I probably want its ctime changed, so my expectations aren't consistent either way 11:06:49 oh well, timestamps are stupid anyway. 11:08:18 mrSpec [n=NoOne@88.208.105.1] has joined #lisp 11:08:34 hello 11:08:46 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0A9F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:09:02 slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0A9F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:09:37 Perhaps you would be interested in cp -a 11:10:35 -!- legumbre_ [n=user@r190-135-29-112.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:10:48 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:10:51 legumbre_ [n=user@r190-135-29-112.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 11:11:06 Is there some folk wisdom addressing my complaint that we often care about relative order rather than absolute times, such that truncating to seconds may discard the information we want, or is the answer just to crank up the timestamp resolution and pretend there's no problem? 11:11:51 Don't know, but it makes sense. 11:12:40 is there a key combination in slime to indent lisp code? 11:13:13 C-M-q indents the sexps at point 11:13:25 C-c M-q indents the toplevel form that point is in 11:13:40 Zhivago: in theory I know to use that, and will sware that I did and do use it, but in practice, half my mtimes seem to reflect the date I transitioned to this computer :) 11:13:45 a true folk wisdom would run closer to "what's 'timestamp'?" 11:14:17 cmm, the little sticky pieces of paper you put on things that travel in time. 11:15:25 -!- danlei [n=user@pD9E2FD14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:15:40 tic: "you want me to stick postits on the monitor, then?" 11:16:09 caliostro: C-M-\ is indent region 11:16:12 guille_` [n=user@209.Red-81-36-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:16:13 milanj [n=milan@93.86.231.184] has joined #lisp 11:16:30 but be careful, it's right next to Ctlr+Alt+Backspace, which is "kill X instantly" 11:16:34 you don't want to press that 11:16:34 it doesn't work here 11:16:56 how exactly does that manifest? 11:17:15 i am running slime on emacs on windows, may be windows the problem? 11:17:30 again, how exactly does not working manifest? 11:18:03 cmm: post-tits 11:18:52 -!- hawkbill [n=pradyus@218.211.38.67] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:19:04 C-c M-q is undefined 11:19:58 caliostro: You have to use the slime-editing-commands contrib 11:20:20 better just use the slime-fancy contrib 11:20:24 caliostro: are you using it in REPL? 11:20:30 in a REPL 11:20:45 if so, it won't be defined, it's only bound in source files 11:20:56 but C-M-\ works 11:21:15 so does C-M-q 11:21:49 talking about toplevel sexps in REPL makes no sense anyway 11:25:13 -!- sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 11:26:33 -!- caliostro [n=chatzill@dynamic-adsl-94-38-74-209.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.12/2009070611]"] 11:28:32 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #lisp 11:29:19 -!- mrSpec is now known as spec[afk] 11:31:27 Wow, I have some weird file named x1; in my ~/ 11:31:46 turns out it's some xml file from gaim which contains my accounts' passwords 11:33:54 -!- guille_ [n=user@209.Red-81-36-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:36:14 -!- Gertm [n=user@mail.dzine.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:36:25 Gertm [n=user@mail.dzine.be] has joined #lisp 11:37:37 Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 11:38:20 cmm, "folk wisdom" probably applies to a different subset of "folk", in this case :-) 11:39:24 milanj- [n=milan@79.101.204.43] has joined #lisp 11:47:11 logBot1941 [n=logBot@59.92.156.101] has joined #lisp 11:47:56 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.86.231.184] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:48:00 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 11:55:03 Joreji [n=user@42-043.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 11:57:05 Hey guys, I have a variable A with the contents '(setf name-of). Now I'd like to get 11:57:05 the function which this variable is supposed to represent. However when doing #'A I get 11:57:05 the function A instead of #'(setf name-of). What am I doing wrong? 11:57:44 #' is a shorthand for the special operator FUNCTION 11:57:53 the special operator FUNCTION does not evaluate its argument 11:58:26 Why do you have a variable with the content (SETF NAME-OF)? Why does the variable not just contain the function? 11:58:58 I have a macro which is similar to defmethod. The first argument is A. 11:59:35 Now I'd like to know whether the method already exists, so I don't overwrite anything. 12:00:00 however find-method only accepts FUNCTION objects. 12:00:24 so I have to create a FUNCTION object out of the function name 12:01:44 Joreji: First test with FBOUNDP if there's a global function, and if so you can use FDEFINITION to retrieve the function object 12:02:32 Notice that find-method takes a generic-function object, not just any function object, so you probably also want to test the return of value of fdefinition with (typep result 'generic-function) 12:02:33 If you /would/ want to do that though, is there another way other than eval? 12:02:48 Hrm, nm. 12:05:38 Joreji: Notice that special operators, and macros are also fboundp, so you actually want (and (function-name-p thing) (fboundp thing) (not macro-function thing) (not (special-operator-p thing))) 12:05:57 function-name-p is true for symbols, and lists of the form (setf foo) 12:06:08 nunb [n=user@static-217-133-104-225.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 12:08:43 francogrex [n=franco@91.178.125.179] has joined #lisp 12:08:55 tcr: Cool thanks! 12:09:16 Hi guys, I asked this at #emacs but didn't get a straight answer maybe someone has done it here 12:10:18 Adlai` [n=user@c-69-181-142-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:38 -!- Adlai` [n=user@c-69-181-142-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:10:40 you know how whatever you type after defvar or defun is highlighted in a chosen color with font-mode... can you add other keywords to that list so for example any variable typeed after setf will be colored in a chosen color? 12:10:51 blackened` [n=blackene@ip-89-102-28-224.karneval.cz] has joined #lisp 12:11:00 leifw [n=user@c-69-181-142-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:11:21 sure 12:11:37 -!- rouslan [n=Rouslan@unaffiliated/rouslan] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:12:05 tcr: FDEFINITION is better because it sees the setf forms (defmethod (setf class) (...) ...) as one name "setf class". 12:12:45 Is better than what? 12:12:46 tcr: better than symbol-function that is. 12:13:08 Thanks for telling me!!! 12:14:11 tcr: can pls you share the info (i assume the 'sure' was answer to my quest)? 12:14:43 rouslan [n=Rouslan@pool-64-222-181-252.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 12:14:53 tcr: it is a late-comer in the ANSI spec. to facillitate the implementation of CLOS. (like general setf and symbol-macro) 12:15:42 francogrex: M-x find-library font-lock, study the end of that file 12:16:00 tcr: ok will do thanks 12:17:49 francogrex: yes, take a look at how my .emacs set's faces http://paste.lisp.org/+1TAI. 12:18:51 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 12:19:02 -!- ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has quit [Success] 12:19:33 -!- legumbre_ [n=user@r190-135-29-112.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:21:13 jthing ok; what i'm looking for is a way to have whatever is added after setf be considered as http://paste.lisp.org/+1 TAI. 12:21:22 sorry 12:21:28 jthing ok; what i'm looking for is a way to have whatever is added after setf be considered as 12:21:45 variable-name 12:22:28 so like if (defvar test) test is highlighted green then I want (setf test1) test1 be green as well 12:22:43 I'll look at those info u and tcr have provided 12:23:21 ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has joined #lisp 12:25:23 francogrex: but defvar is a reserved name. I could see why you would like to add your own reserved names and perhaps new idendentation rules for macro's. But making the rest of the expression the same color really doesn't make much sense. 12:25:39 indentation 12:25:55 -!- drafael [n=tapio@ip-118-90-140-131.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:27:47 -!- jthing [n=jthing@165.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:28:01 jthing: would like to add setf as reserved name (but don't care about indentation here) just so to have the symbol that follows setf be recognized as a variable (I know that conceptually it's wrong but would be a good visual aid to view the file codes, that's all) 12:28:34 jthing [n=jthing@165.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 12:28:51 SandGorgon [n=OmNomNom@122.161.46.116] has joined #lisp 12:34:46 it doesn't seem that easy anyway 12:35:17 -!- lnostdal [i=lnostdal@149-187-178.oke2-bras5.adsl.tele2.no] has quit [" MS forgot to close port 80  People can fuck off "] 12:37:02 -!- ikki [n=ikki@189.139.218.85] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:40:48 lnostdal [i=lnostdal@149-187-178.oke2-bras5.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #lisp 12:44:32 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:45:20 Adamant_ [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:45:23 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Success] 12:46:11 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:46:16 -!- Adamant_ [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 12:46:48 Dynetrekk [n=Dynetrek@217-130-53.500710.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #lisp 12:47:16 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:49 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:26 Adamant_ [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:27 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:49:02 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-60.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:49:34 -!- Adamant_ [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Client Quit] 12:50:07 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [Client Quit] 12:50:40 You have to read carefully about the format of font-lock-keywords. It's a bit complex. 12:50:47 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit ["HULK ANGRY! 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You should maybe contribute some nice code to kolibrios 14:11:47 many use excel and need it to do extra stuf... 14:12:01 schme: asm is tough still for me 14:12:04 Great work. Not maybe something to actually go into sbcl though (: 14:12:18 You could write a lisp for kolibri ;) 14:12:40 or port it to x86-64! 14:12:53 well, let me check what that kolibri is about. rent-a-coder seems fine as well 14:13:15 schme: it's true i'm bored, but i'm not *that* bored 14:13:27 let's see 14:15:26 *stassats* was never able to find something to help for free projects when specifically looking for it 14:16:35 I remember some site that listed projects' bounties. Can't seem to find it now. And other than that I guess it's looking through bugtrackers :D 14:16:47 never turns out to be lisp 14:17:08 the best way is to fix bugs that annoy you 14:17:14 *schme* agrees. 14:17:22 scratch that itch. 14:19:53 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:20:02 there was a thread about something like this; http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.steel-bank.devel/13639 14:20:57 that's interesting. 14:21:03 very nice. 14:21:06 yay lnostdal ! 14:22:40 HG` [n=wells@xdslen129.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:23:24 laynor [n=laynor@93.107.20.148] has joined #lisp 14:24:03 hi, how can I get the lambda-list of a function in CL? 14:25:23 GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:50 laynor: portably, there is no reliable and nice way 14:28:06 you can parse it out of function-lambda-expression (which is not guaranteed to supply a result) 14:28:35 -!- Adlai is now known as Adlai-AWAY 14:29:12 Wombat` [n=user@adsl-67-124-148-26.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:23 -!- chris2 [n=chris@dslb-094-216-093-113.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:31:13 bgs100 [n=ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 14:32:21 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:32:27 kpreid: I see :/ I already tried function-lambda-expression but as you said, the result it returns is not useful at all (I'm using sbcl). I've seen `describe' can extract it, but I guess it uses implementation dependent stuff, am I wrong? 14:32:53 sb-introspect:function-lambda-list 14:33:06 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:33:20 -!- Wombat` is now known as Wombatzus 14:33:39 I see, so the code would become implementation-dependent 14:34:08 quite strange the cl standard doesn't provide a way to do it 14:35:13 sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-130-230.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:35:20 -!- sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-130-230.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:36:10 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-31-78.netcologne.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:36:54 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-130-230.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:37:48 the CL standard is more miscellaneous than you might think 14:38:52 -!- cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-179-66-150.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:39:04 cmm [n=cmm@bzq-79-179-66-150.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:26 -!- HG` [n=wells@xdslen129.osnanet.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:46:24 rent-a-coder has nothing that interests me. I need something that is math related, most want data-entry bull and stuff 14:46:24 Hey guys, how come this does not work (i.e. 'fun' does not see 'val'): 14:46:24 (labels ((fun () (format t "~A" val))) 14:46:24 (let ((val 0)) 14:46:24 (locally (declare (special val)) 14:46:27 (fun)))) 14:46:42 Joreji, paste on the site 14:47:00 lisppaste: url? 14:47:00 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 14:47:33 next time 14:47:52 Joreji: you need to declare val special in the FUN too 14:48:10 Joreji pasted "locally declare special" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/84624 14:48:53 stassats: Oh, okey thanks! 14:50:00 stassats: Hmm - that doesn't seem to work. 14:50:34 stassats annotated #84624 "correction" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/84624#1 14:51:47 I wonder: why is it not working if I use the (locally ..) form? 14:52:24 LOCALLY works locally and LET doesn't know that you want a special variable 14:53:22 lukjad007 [n=lukjadOO@unaffiliated/lukjad007] has joined #lisp 14:54:10 Ah ok, so the declare is part of the LET form. 14:54:47 why would you want it declared special and why wouldn't you beging with (let ((val 0)) ...? 14:55:01 nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 14:56:02 francogrex: This is just a simple example to help me understand (locally (declare (special)) .. ) 14:56:53 Joreji: ok i see because otherwise it's unncessarily twisted 14:57:58 -!- Wombatzus [n=user@adsl-67-124-148-26.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 14:58:29 (locally (declare (special val)) (setf val 5) (fun)) would work also 14:58:55 Wombatzus [n=wombatzu@adsl-67-124-148-26.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:09 coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 14:59:53 hrm. Which loop construct does not establish an implicit block (i.e. is clean within macros) and is good for numeric iteration? 15:00:32 LOOP has NAMED keyword 15:02:27 I just had a great idea for a project 15:03:40 francogrex: Great! go to github and start it all up (: 15:05:20 yeah; you know those epidemiological presentations where they model the spread of a pandemic 15:05:56 Sure. 15:06:01 cdc stuff; i always found the impressive; maybe would do something in CL 15:06:09 shoot! 15:06:16 for pandemic flu 15:08:33 logBot2291 [n=logBot@59.92.176.59] has joined #lisp 15:08:59 who's with me on this? 15:13:00 (: 15:13:24 guille_` [n=user@209.Red-81-36-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:31 well, anyway i'll see what i can start 15:14:07 How do they calculate such spreading models anyway? 15:17:19 schme: many ways: Markov chains for one. 15:18:03 Last I heard about swine flu in sweden they estimated between 20 and 90% would get it. Why even waste time estimating it if you don't get anymore exact :) 15:18:11 though cool graphics ;) 15:18:35 dysinger [n=dysinger@gprsinternet03.porta.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:43 -!- dysinger [n=dysinger@gprsinternet03.porta.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:18:56 Those bounds are useful. 15:19:05 schme: an example "Modeling the Worldwide Spread of Pandemic Influenza" 15:19:31 francogrex: That's not much of an example. just a string of words. 15:20:26 schme: yeah well let you're imagination go wild... or go to google scholar 15:20:54 where they might be kind enough to tell you how to spell "your". 15:21:25 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:21:28 -!- GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:23:43 anyway, here's a simple example: http://mvhs.shodor.org/mvhsproj/epidemic/epidemic.html 15:23:44 oh I see. It's like we do in pol. sci. We pick a theory that we like and just use it and hope we get it right, and then get some money out of it all ;) 15:24:45 francogrex: seems like a bunchofun! 15:31:47 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [] 15:32:20 francogrex: Maybe do a nice opengl globe picturing the world, that you can zoom in and out on. 15:33:34 -!- Wombatzus [n=wombatzu@adsl-67-124-148-26.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:33:51 schme: I saw a simple sample, but nothing like the ones of the cdc I see when I go to the lecture halls 15:34:03 here is how it would be: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htnh7pBBtrM&feature=fvw 15:35:21 it's from los alamos ntl labs 15:35:49 GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:36:48 i wonder what progs they usually use to have these simulations. i doubt it's anything related to CL 15:36:59 probably all in java these days 15:37:22 kgn [n=kglovern@bas1-london14-1096624743.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 15:39:12 oh here is: Model-Builder is an application written in Python programming language... python again 15:39:28 -!- nikodemus [n=nikodemu@cs181201111.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 15:40:59 but also: The Spatiotemporal Epidemiological Modeler (STEM) tool... 15:42:54 they talk about eclipse? first i thought it related to lisp. what the heck is eclipse 15:43:19 -!- Adlai-AWAY is now known as Adlai 15:44:55 well maybe first lets concentrate on the ability of CL system to create some sort of video images. any hints? 15:45:35 ikki [n=ikki@189.139.218.85] has joined #lisp 15:47:13 -!- kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:48:41 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:53:08 generating images then running (piping?) those through ffmpeg or something might work 15:56:20 kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has joined #lisp 15:59:47 Jabberwockey [n=jens@port-14322.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 16:01:22 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@adsl-ull-5-64.49-151.net24.it] has joined #lisp 16:06:31 francogrex: Too bad the video there is only on that foreign country :) 16:07:35 francogrex: eclipse is an IDE. 16:08:18 schme: yeah well.. 16:08:29 francogrex: and STEM is java. 16:08:30 letexpx [n=letexpx@abo-223-141-68.bdx.modulonet.fr] has joined #lisp 16:08:41 damn 16:08:56 http://today.java.net/pub/n/SpatiotemporalEpidemiologicalModeler 16:09:32 schme: do you have a graphic extension for your lisp system; for example if yoiu want to plot a x y graph, 16:09:45 (require 'mcclim) (: 16:11:44 francogrex: Last time I was doing graphs of data I sent it to ploticus for generating images and displayed those in mcclim. 16:11:54 I couldn't find good piechart library :) 16:12:36 cl-plplot looks good! 16:13:41 oh wait.. no adw-charting has pie chart. It was some other chart I needed. 16:15:38 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-76-104-2-182.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:48 schme: ok, all i had was cl-pdf, it's good but it's not interactive 16:16:02 francogrex: check this out http://lispm.dyndns.org/lisp/pics/scigraph.jpg 16:16:30 schme: not bad 16:16:36 http://mcclim.cliki.net/Examples (: 16:19:54 -!- jan247 [n=jan247@222.127.86.98] has quit [Client Quit] 16:20:09 which one then scigraph or mcclim. Don't give me a lot of options I'm indecisive when there is more than one option 16:22:29 i guess mcclim needs a macintosh 16:22:44 No it doesn't. 16:23:29 -!- kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:23:51 francogrex: you need the clim for scigraph. ;) 16:24:33 schme: all right, got it "the clim". What the hell is the clim? 16:25:15 minion: clim 16:25:16 clim: The Common Lisp Interface Manager (CLIM) is a powerful Lisp-based programming interface that provides a layered set of portable facilities for constructing user interfaces. http://www.cliki.net/clim 16:26:06 on a lot of these sites they tell you : yeah here is download compile and load into ur lisp system... then you start seeing all the errors because they 'neglected' to tell you all the damn dependencies you need installed on your PC first 16:26:21 Welcome to common lisp. 16:27:08 francogrex: For these things there's asdf-install and clbuild . And some linux distros have their own magic packages. 16:28:02 and if you're on windows I guess life just got difficult :) 16:28:03 schme: but this clim thing seems good, let's see if there is an asdf for scigraph and clim togither 16:28:21 i'm on win yeah 16:28:24 sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 16:28:29 oh good luck. 16:28:40 I think you'll be needing an xserver for mcclim then. 16:28:51 -!- stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:29:09 well then forget it 16:29:09 or maybe a copy of LW 16:29:44 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-76-104-2-182.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] 16:29:56 schme: talk to me in english please. What is LW? 16:30:08 http://www.lispworks.com/ 16:30:18 xming supposedly is easy. 16:30:20 ah ok, forget it then 16:30:47 unless I get a professional version on lispworks I'm not getting anything else 16:30:59 great! 16:31:04 I hear good things about CAPI in LW. 16:32:18 free lisp and windows seems so painful :) 16:32:29 schme: it's not great AT ALL. Professional edition of LW costs a fortune and I'm a poor stingy f**k... 16:32:44 it was ironic 16:32:59 ok. 16:33:11 I'd suggest slackware then (: 16:34:01 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@adsl-ull-5-64.49-151.net24.it] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:34:19 there must be an interactive graphic tool for CL that works purely on win32 16:34:32 Why must there be such a thing? 16:35:01 a lot of people still use windows 16:35:08 Indeed. 16:35:12 Not many use CL. 16:35:22 -!- letexpx [n=letexpx@abo-223-141-68.bdx.modulonet.fr] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:35:24 yeah, most of the people who use free CL use some form of unix 16:35:30 and if planning to sell anything in CL to firms (almost all on win) 16:35:49 people doing that kind of thing probably invest in lispworks 16:36:02 well then, all people using CL will remain poor f**k**s 16:36:10 haha 16:36:50 unless they find an employer using ooooh.. sbcl on some unix I guess. 16:37:03 phadthai pasted "SBCL endless loop" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/84626 16:37:24 francogrex: There is someone in this channel who does the windows CL thing. I forget who. I think he ended up with LW. 16:37:30 schme: yeah unix in a profit oriented company 16:37:42 francogrex: ? 16:38:05 schme: what? 16:38:20 francogrex: what do you mean "unix in a profit oriented company" ? 16:38:30 aren't most companies profit oriented (: 16:38:33 it doesn't exist 16:38:49 most of them if not all are on win 16:38:53 ok. 16:38:59 so there are no profit oriented companies running unix. 16:39:06 unix is mainly for universties 16:39:23 I don't agree, but it probably depends on the field of work 16:39:25 schme: I don't think so 16:39:45 francogrex: I assure there is a shitload of companies running unixlike systems. 16:39:55 for a variety of purposes. 16:40:29 francogrex: yeah, seriously, "unix is mainly for universities" is so far from the truth... 16:40:29 well anyway, i see a lot of many developing more Cl related stuff for win... maybe that's where efforts should be 16:40:50 aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@adsl-ull-5-64.49-151.net24.it] has joined #lisp 16:41:02 malcolm_reynolds: gimme the name of a major firm whose system is entirely unix; 16:41:06 francogrex: If you like to target your efforts there then I'm all for it :) I'm certain that the mcclim team would love a proper win32 backend. 16:41:28 francogrex: web hosts 16:41:34 francogrex: the backend of most it related companies 16:41:38 francogrex: and making the windows port of sbcl green instead of yellow on that there sbcl.org would be great! 16:41:40 s/it/IT/ 16:41:42 bloomberg supports a quarter of a million terminal users, the backends and development is done on Sun and IBM unix boxes 16:42:26 francogrex: Vendetta Online, the game there.. had it's server shit running on sbcl. So one can safely assume it was running on unix. Now it's erlang, so probably still unix. 16:42:30 people pay $1500 per month per terminal. so i guess you could describe that as profit oriented. 16:42:44 anyway most Fortune 500 companies use both Unix and Windows 16:43:03 and also have some legacy systems running other stuff 16:43:16 the vast majority of google's server farms run linux 16:43:20 etc etc 16:43:26 francogrex: anyway. No one is stopping you from putting in an effort to make open source CL .. more pleasent for windows. :) Reason no one is doing it is because no one is interested (: 16:43:46 deploying to the desktop would be a nice capability. 16:43:48 -!- spec[afk] is now known as mrSpec 16:43:58 Windows still mostly rules the desktop. 16:44:12 sure would. I'd love for mcclim to work jeeez fine on win :) 16:44:32 Adamant: next year is the year of chromeOS, so maybe windows is dead by then (: 16:44:33 having Windows support for other languages has broadened their appeal. 16:44:39 schme: :P 16:44:52 and more importantly: maybe death of x86 on the desktop! 16:44:52 YAY 16:45:01 naw. 16:45:09 schme: haha, that is definitely not going to happen next year 16:45:11 x86-64 ain't going nowhere. 16:45:18 I'm hoping. 16:45:31 with google saying they will be ARM ready.. I just need an ARM desktop. 16:45:33 and all is well :) 16:45:43 x86-64 is fine. why do you hate it it has done so much good to many.. 16:45:49 schme: I like ARM but not for a desktop 16:45:53 do arm even make processors that go in desktops? 16:45:58 sort of 16:45:59 hmm anyone know if in my above paste, I'm missing something obvious for SBCL, i.e. something to "clear the error flag" or similar? 16:46:00 malcolm_reynolds: Sure. why not? 16:46:09 surely everything they do is low power / portable / embedded stuff 16:46:10 OMAP3s and similar can do low-grade desktop stuff 16:46:17 as I'm simply getting an endless loop once the first invalid char is read 16:46:20 it's like running a P3 16:46:27 cortex be all nice and multicore even :) 16:46:29 which is enough to do most webby stuff 16:46:37 like can you get an ARM which is equivalent in performance to an Intel I7 or whatever the current cream of the crop is? 16:46:41 no 16:46:44 which.. is what people use their machines for ;) 16:46:45 absolutely not 16:46:51 not even close 16:46:54 malcolm_reynolds: Why is that even necessary one most peoples desktop, eh? 16:47:02 PPCs have come close to Intel speeds 16:47:03 sure, not in most people's desktop 16:47:07 so have SPARCs 16:47:12 malcolm_reynolds: Ya that's what I'm talkin'. 16:47:28 they were faster at one point :) 16:47:28 quack [n=fhc@213.13.200.135] has joined #lisp 16:47:33 MIPS did an interesting 2ghz chip 16:47:35 I sure don't need my quad core madness. 16:47:38 (cept for backgammon) 16:47:40 phadthai: I mean this decade :P 16:47:48 but lots of people play games, and I'm not going to 'upgrade' to a computer where my data is just in the cloud and I only have web apps 16:47:48 -!- quack [n=fhc@213.13.200.135] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:48:01 but i agree that for lots of people they will be perfectly happy with what chrome os offers 16:48:08 phadthai: most likely, at the point the error is signaled the character has not been consumed 16:48:10 quack [n=fhc@bl3-200-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 16:48:15 malcolm_reynolds: I'd be happy without it too. :) 16:48:17 I don't think it's going to go anywhere honestly. 16:48:22 sad really! 16:48:22 -!- quack [n=fhc@bl3-200-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:48:26 but here's to hope! 16:48:31 for the same reasons Chrome the browser didn't go anywhere. 16:48:39 quack [n=fhc@bl3-200-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 16:48:42 Um, what? 16:48:44 phadthai: I think there's a restart to tell sbcl to skip over the invalid input 16:48:59 Zhivago: talking to moi? 16:49:10 Yes. You appear to be delusional. 16:49:10 -!- quack [n=fhc@bl3-200-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:49:13 lol 16:49:19 Chrome has tiny market share 16:49:23 sadly iyonix stopped selling there boxes :( 16:49:24 this is a fact 16:49:24 well, the browser battle is still up in the air. people pushing javascript engines faster and faster, at some point there will be web apps that really require one of the new engines 16:49:41 How long has it taken for chrome to get over 1% marketshare? 16:49:44 it's still dwarfed by IE, Firefox, and even Safari IIRC 16:50:11 Zhivago: a lot faster than hitting 1% for firefox for sure (: 16:50:13 not to mention they still haven't got a linux or os x port 16:50:14 Zhivago: IIRC last I checked it wasn't over 2% in the US 16:50:24 Apparantly it is over 2% now, globally. 16:50:39 That's pretty much a meteoric rate of rise, given the market. 16:50:42 interesting. but how many people are runing Opera? 16:50:46 kpreid: makes sense, thanks... I'll check SBCL docs, and if I find no information I'll probably have to check its source (unfortunately) 16:51:24 kpreid: an interesting thing also is that the character which both sbcl and ecl consider invalid appear to be read fine by some other unicode aware applications, so I'll also have to look into that 16:51:24 anyway all the web types I know explictly say they don't care about it. 16:51:38 Adamant: They *will* care :) 16:51:40 well, choose the proper encoding 16:51:42 Web types shouldn't have to care about a conformant browser. 16:51:45 schme: why? 16:51:47 -!- aliceinwire [n=aliceinw@adsl-ull-5-64.49-151.net24.it] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 16:51:58 what does Chrome do besides tabs as processes? 16:52:06 that's particularly useful or unique 16:52:09 basically nothing. 16:52:10 Adamant: When it becomes the #1 browser, of course they care :) 16:52:11 fast javascript. at the time it was the fastest 16:52:28 but pretty much straight away every other browser team unveiled their new js engines 16:52:48 malcolm_reynolds: there were faster implemtations already in testing 16:52:58 by the time google gets to developing demanding enough applications in javascript, the rest of the browsers will have caught up in javascript speed 16:53:02 I'm getting: Opera 1.97% Chrome: 2.59% 16:53:04 so they deserve some credit for shipping it 16:53:14 it took much longer time for ff to hit 1% even. 16:53:18 but it evaporated pretty quickly. 16:53:30 Adamant: Your delusions are showing again. 16:53:30 schme: that was a different environment though 16:53:45 Adamant: How do you mean different environment? 16:53:52 Adamant: Is opera in a different environment? 16:53:54 Zhivago: what is your major malfunction? 16:54:09 Adamant: Not being delusional. 16:54:17 Zhivago: or being a cock 16:54:49 if you want to tell me I'm wrong I suggest a less confrontational course. 16:54:49 there is a rumor that chrome was only created so google can put its foot into the html5 process 16:54:49 Adamant: Well, when you get in touch with reality, let me know. 16:54:49 "i'm the only one not being delusional" 16:55:02 s/process/standarization process/ 16:55:12 Except that chrome is the basis for google-os, so ... 16:55:20 I think people will be happy to pay less money for a machine running linux + chromeOS than one with windows.. Reason the eeepc failed with linux.. is 'cause it was just linux. But with chromeos hey they all get what they want. 16:55:20 -!- gko [n=gko@122-116-15-138.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [No route to host] 16:55:24 which has gone nowhere as of yet. 16:55:30 then comes the growth of chromebrowser ^ 2 16:55:42 googleos, at the moment, is vaporware 16:55:54 indeed (: 16:56:06 schme: it was harder to get people to try alternative browsers after the IE monopoly took hold 16:56:07 But they already have quite a few apps. 16:56:15 schme: on googleos? 16:56:26 Considering that seems to be chrome slapped on linux with some local storage abstractions, I think it's come quite a long way. 16:56:28 how many Chrome users have also used Firefox, Opera, or Safari? 16:56:29 or on their own cloud? 16:56:33 I'm guessing quite a bit 16:56:43 guaqua: no but on google webssite. they have great many apps. and is that not how googleos is supposed to work, eh? 16:57:10 people want word, email, a calendar, some msn webcam, and youtube. 16:57:19 I guess they just need to fix the webcam bit. 16:57:36 yeah. true 16:57:42 schme: there's a bit of the "lite Word" fallacy in there though. 16:58:01 everyone tries to write a lighter version of word that only has the bits everyone else uses 16:58:03 schme: Oh, son't forget spreadsheets. :) 16:58:06 Adamant: so why is opera < chrome then? it dun make sense eh. 16:58:08 all you need then is the internet connection that doesn't suck. because if you can't do anything with the computer when the connection goes down... 16:58:12 oh spreadsheets! 16:58:21 to keep track of their plants in the garden or what heck. 16:58:28 and powerpoint viewer heh 16:58:30 yeaaa. 16:58:35 But html5 with local storage. 16:58:36 (: 16:58:42 somehow it all works out. 16:58:55 but most people use a 5% of Word that's critical that other people don't use and Light Word leaves out. 16:58:56 they need their own api for that 16:59:03 Adamant: I had no idea people tried o write lite word. 16:59:10 schme: been done, a lot 16:59:18 not as much these days. 16:59:21 Adamant: Is that not all failing because everyone and their dog have word with their windows? 16:59:32 Though I guess some are moving to openoffice. 16:59:45 schme: unless Google is moving to target developing countries 16:59:54 everyone and their dog has a copy of Windows 16:59:58 legal or otherwise 17:00:04 I very much doubt that the average user uses even 5% of the word functions. 17:00:12 (: 17:00:26 schme: that's dangerously meaningless. 17:00:31 And yeah. 'course google is targeting developing countries. 17:00:35 I would (: 17:00:40 They won't have word for much longer. 17:00:47 schme: then they might get some real traction 17:01:07 What is odd is that they're not targetting MIPS. 17:01:21 Why target something that no-one uses? 17:01:38 delusional, eh? 17:01:53 Zhivago: ever try to use OO's document import from Powerpoint? it ranges from stunningly good to hilariously bad, often on two similar documents. 17:02:12 Zhivago: It seems that china is investing quite a bit in MIPS.. to get away from ARM and x86 patents. 17:02:15 adamant: I don't care about powerpoint or open office. 17:02:27 Zhivago: that's great, people in the real world do. 17:02:35 schme: When there's enough market, I'm sure they'll back it. 17:02:45 schme: Yay, a '90-style 300 MHz MIPS. 17:02:50 adamant: No, people in the real world just care about making their presentations. 17:02:57 Zhivago: Probably. It's not like they don't have the money to buy the manpower to do it :) 17:03:11 and at the moment they use the tools they were trained and they are comfortable with 17:03:15 Zhivago: which are all in Powepoint or Keynote 17:03:15 pkhuong: I think it was 900MHz actually. I have a laptop with it arriving in a week or two :) 17:03:57 Adamant: You can't honestly think it will be much problem for google to make a powerpoint like app :) 17:04:15 schme: no, but making a good converter is apparently not trivial. 17:04:24 and that's part of what they will need. 17:04:30 Conversion is not particularly important. 17:04:42 the real world is not particularly important 17:04:48 Adamant: They won't need it when no one is using powerpoint (: 17:04:51 apparently :P 17:04:54 Consider the average lifetime of a power-point document. 17:05:01 schme: you have a chicken and the egg type problem 17:05:16 All you need is for people to start using a new system for new documents. 17:05:18 Adamant: Yeah.. and somehow a great shitload of money will solve it (: 17:05:20 Zhivago: which often get repurpopsed and reused repeatedly. 17:05:30 People who need powerpoint can keep using it for that. 17:05:46 Zhivago: And with the document stored in google cloud.. you just go to where your presentation is and wifi it all up on the screen. Everyone is happy :) 17:05:50 people who have powerpoint don't need Google App Powerpoint. 17:05:54 schme: Yes. 17:06:16 It's not a matter of need -- it's a matter of convenience. 17:06:17 That'd be great if they put google ads on it (: 17:06:44 When you just need a browser rather than a machine with the right version of powerpoint on it, suddenly the number of fucked up meetings goes down. 17:06:50 That's enough to drive migration. 17:07:57 and how easy to add your coworkers to the project so they can edit shit. 17:07:59 (: 17:08:09 only thing is, it's all google 17:08:09 schme: charge for storage. Convenience and elimination of accidental complexity is worth a lot. 17:08:13 Yes, that's likely to be the critical factor. 17:08:27 gua: Just wait until someone else implements the server-side of gdata. 17:08:37 and for many operations, data outside of controllable storage is a no-no 17:08:38 gua: It's atom protocol, so that shouldn't be tremendously hard. 17:08:56 pkhuong: Oh yeah. people would pay n/p :) 17:09:28 I'll probably pay too. It sounds very good. 17:12:02 sea-gull [i=seagull@server1.bshellz.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:02 schme: I've recently been using the programmatic interface to spreadsheets for report generation. 17:12:30 schme: It works really nicely -- you can put questions in the spreadsheet and have the computer fill in the answers, and then use the answers to drive visualizations. 17:12:39 way cool. 17:12:58 kpreid: I seem to have found a code example and it indeed invokes a restart, thanks again 17:13:20 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-249-56-101.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:13:20 oh there already is google presentation. 17:13:21 ehe 17:13:27 ruediger_ [n=ruediger@188-23-177-193.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 17:13:54 kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-249-56-101.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:14:37 The main problem with 'the cloud' so far is persuading bits of it to live on your machine. 17:14:47 -!- ruediger [n=ruediger@91-115-182-66.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:14:57 Hopefully google-os will solve that. :) 17:15:04 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:15:09 bbl 17:15:15 I'm starting to wonder why I'm even using oo calc here. 17:15:46 Davidbrcz [n=david@ANantes-151-1-33-189.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:16:06 guille_`` [n=user@209.Red-81-36-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:39 bhyde [n=Adium@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:53 -!- leifw [n=user@c-69-181-142-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:20:26 i found this thing caled "Garnet" 17:20:48 can anybody suggest a good discussion of the microcode based reversible/undo computation seen (i seem to recall) in interlisp-d on the dophin? 17:21:32 but again it's for unix and shit only 17:21:54 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 17:23:08 what's the closest thing to StringTokenizer in java? 17:23:11 francogrex: there are few libs for GTK, there's Qt4.5, there's McCLIM, there's ltk, there's anything you can talk over a socket with, and then you have the option of writing your own FFI (FLTK looks promising) 17:23:28 -!- guille_`` is now known as guille_ 17:23:37 minion: tell guille_ about split-sequence 17:23:39 guille_: please see split-sequence: SPLIT-SEQUENCE (formerly known as PARTITION) is a member of the Common Lisp Utilities family of programs, designed by community consensus. http://www.cliki.net/split-sequence 17:24:31 pkhuong: thanks 17:24:33 p_l, i think once I got ltk to wirk well with sbcl, but then i deleted all source codes and documentations 17:25:09 HG` [n=wells@xdslfk174.osnanet.de] has joined #lisp 17:25:32 p_l, but can't it be that you can do something without all those extra applications? just purely in your common lisp? 17:26:22 letexpx [n=letexpx@abo-223-141-68.bdx.modulonet.fr] has joined #lisp 17:26:25 guille_``: not sure if cl-ppcre maybe also useful to you 17:26:44 francogrex: there's no language I know that includes GUI in it's standard spec. 17:26:53 though you can reuse REPL as UI 17:27:06 yes, using the REPL 17:27:13 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-157-93.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:27:18 happy ascii plotting. 17:27:19 would be poor but acceptable 17:27:26 rdd [n=rdd@c83-250-157-93.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:27:46 francogrex: Last time I checked then mcclim was all in CL, and it uses CLX, all in CL. 17:27:46 Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has joined #lisp 17:28:04 ok that's it. ascii plotting (franco is downgrading his aspirations): 17:28:27 ya but even then you're using windows for outputting your ascii characters. 17:28:36 would make the greatest disease spread simulations with just ascii plots 17:28:38 your lisp is asking windows to display stuff. 17:29:40 wmannis [n=wmannis@76.204.99.156] has joined #lisp 17:29:54 -!- wmannis [n=wmannis@76.204.99.156] has left #lisp 17:30:39 gugamilare [n=gugamila@201-75-224-81-am.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #lisp 17:30:50 -!- guille_` [n=user@209.Red-81-36-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:30:54 -!- dmiles_afk [n=dmiles@c-76-104-220-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:31:46 francogrex: How would you display stuff in any other language? 17:34:13 rdd` [n=rdd@c83-250-157-93.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:34:47 schme: i don't know how would you do it in asm? 17:35:51 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-249-56-101.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:36:57 kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-249-56-101.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:37:05 francogrex: Ehehe. Ok. If I was, for some bizarre reason like gun point to my head, writing a thing in asm that popped up a window that displayed HELLO WORLD.. on a linux system. 17:37:23 francogrex: Then I would link my shit with gtk and have gtk display it for me. 17:38:22 on most OS you're not even *allowed* to directly tell the GPU to print random garbage. 17:40:29 well I'm downloded gtk now 17:41:22 If I knew anything about windows api I assume that if I was again at gun point writing hello world, I'd use some bizarro windows API for creating a window and displaying mah text. 17:41:31 -!- logBot2291 [n=logBot@59.92.176.59] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:41:42 I think the only way around that is to not install an OS ;) 17:42:30 Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 17:43:02 -!- ThomasI [n=thomas@unaffiliated/thomasi] has quit ["Bye Bye!"] 17:43:45 let's see if it'll work with gtk 17:44:56 how do you manage yourselves when you have packages in different files in the same directory and you want to load them in the REPL? do you make a load or does exist a handier way? 17:45:54 -!- milanj- [n=milan@79.101.204.43] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 17:45:55 -!- Gertm [n=user@mail.dzine.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:46:01 Gertm [n=user@mail.dzine.be] has joined #lisp 17:46:26 guille_: asdf ? 17:47:00 -!- bhyde [n=Adium@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:47:25 ok i'll take a look, i've just started right now to use packages so not much idea 17:47:37 gl :) 17:50:05 at the risk of confuing you even further, let me point out that you misuse the word "package" 17:53:15 cmm: because it seems that i meant 1 file <-> 1 package, or is it a different thing? 17:53:34 -!- pkhuong [n=pkhuong@modemcable238.100-176-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:54:15 clhs package 17:54:15 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/t_pkg.htm 17:54:49 guille_: in the context of CL, the term "package" is taken 17:55:10 -!- kgn [n=kglovern@bas1-london14-1096624743.dsl.bell.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:55:30 Perhaps you want the term 'system'. 17:55:37 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit ["leaving"] 17:55:57 Although I'm not sure what files have to do with that? 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I have and I don't recall any special procedures 19:08:02 Yes, well I get an error during installation 19:08:13 lisppaste: url 19:08:14 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 19:08:21 you can use that to show the log 19:09:50 Deivu pasted "Error during installation using MacPort" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/84630 19:10:21 Deivu_: macports wants a pretty up to date xcode installation. check your xcode revision and find out what the latest version from apple is. 19:11:11  Ok, I'll check 19:12:24 although, looking at that log, perhaps the ulimit command is failing. are you running the port command with root priv? 19:12:31 smithzv [n=smithzv@c-67-173-240-139.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:05 Yup, "sudo port install clisp" 19:13:23 i'd look at xcode as a first step. 19:15:36 I built clisp about two weeks ago using macports on a ppc/leopard machine without any particular drama. 19:16:05 spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-17-7.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:16:47 A friend successfully installed it yesterday, on a intel/leopard 19:17:26 The latest version is 3.1.3 and I gave 3.1.2 , I'll download it and see what happens 19:17:47 legumbre [n=user@r190-135-5-8.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 19:18:14 *nod* 19:19:00 delYsid [n=user@chello084115136207.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 19:21:09 hmm so about x-chat and terminals decoding/displaying characters which sbcl/ecl utf8 implementations refuse, possibly that they simply accept the next byte as a latin-1 one and accept it, at the occurance of a non-utf8 sequence 19:21:43 -!- Adlai is now known as Adlai-AWAY 19:22:08 which I think is possible to do with sbcl within handler-bind with stream-read-byte 19:22:14 skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has joined #lisp 19:22:33 as it signals without consuming the sequence 19:22:56 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:24:03 kleppari_ [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 19:24:18 -!- cracki [n=cracki@sglty.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["If technology is distinguishable from magic, it is insufficiently advanced."] 19:25:10 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-172-094.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:25:59 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 19:26:23 What was the setting to not to check a GPG signature each time? I forgot. 19:26:24 but since handling this unfortunately is different for every implementation maybe I should instead use babel and keep the implementation streams encoding-agnostic 19:26:38 I am talking about asdf-install stuff. 19:26:55 hmm, why's CALL-NEXT-METHOD defined to have indefinite extent if it's explicitly stated the consequences are undefined when calling it outside of the defining method's body? That's pretty much what dynamic extent is 19:27:30 tomoyuki28jp: you could wrap it in a HANDLER-BIND 19:27:46 ajhager [n=ajhager@c-98-223-251-77.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:54 it == the (asdf-install:install ...) form 19:28:42 -!- ajhager [n=ajhager@c-98-223-251-77.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 19:28:43 mathrick: I was thinking like there is a special variable or something to not to check a GPG signature each time. Maybe I am wrong. 19:29:03 I dunno, there might be 19:31:45 Anybody knows that? 19:33:47 The Xcode's DVD is more than 1 gig T_T 19:34:10 Well, thanks Fade, I'be back if the problem stills ^^ 19:34:18 phadthai: check out what cl-irc does for handling incominb lines 19:35:39 -!- kleppari [n=spa@jaki.tolva.is] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:35:48 another problem I noticed are some implementations not being able to buffer input so every read-char or read-byte result in a syscall, which reading sequences with custom buffering would also solve 19:35:53 kpreid: thanks, will do 19:36:48 -!- Deivu_ [n=dvdhl89@19.146.216.201.dsl.intelnet.net.gt] has left #lisp 19:39:38 it seems to use flexi streams 19:41:01 Xach: ...and my sparkline is broken, too :-) 19:41:18 er, never mind, apparently not refreshed 19:43:46 I love how xcode isn't managed incrementally by the general system update facility 19:45:52 -!- GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:46:49 GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:27 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:54:35 -!- laynor [n=laynor@93.107.20.148] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:54:37 milanj [n=milan@79.101.204.43] has joined #lisp 19:59:07 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:59:33 Fade: heh, why's that? and..what are you developing for OSX? 19:59:54 -!- dv_ [n=dv@85-127-110-139.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 19:59:55 anyone here have emacsclient set up in $EDITOR ? 20:00:10 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:00:12 I've done it before 20:01:57 -!- Davse_Bamse [n=davse@4306ds4-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit ["leaving"] 20:02:44 Ralith: I have 20:03:29 saikat_ [n=saikat@c-98-210-13-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:38 fe[nl]ix: how? 20:04:14 export EDITOR=emacsclient ? 20:04:51 Ralith: $EDITOR points to a wrapper script that does «exec /usr/bin/emacsclient -c "${@}"» 20:04:57 Don't forget start-server as well. 20:04:59 -!- nunb [n=user@static-217-133-104-225.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:05:02 -c? 20:05:26 err, server-start. 20:05:28 also, why exec? 20:06:08 Ralith: multi-tty/emacs23. 20:06:39 pkhuong: yes, I'm using that too 20:06:42 otherwise I wouldn't bother 20:07:18 man emacsclient and you'll discover what -c does then. 20:07:26 :P 20:07:40 ah. 20:07:42 mjf [n=mjf@r2r126.net.upc.cz] has joined #lisp 20:07:53 dmiles_afk [n=dmiles@c-76-104-220-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:20 bhyde [n=Adium@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:21 dalton [n=user7994@189-19-121-35.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 20:12:44 -!- GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:16:27 ahaas [n=ahaas@c-71-59-145-125.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:06 GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:01 s0ber_ [n=s0ber@118-168-239-75.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:40 -!- GreatPatham [n=dan@c-24-19-169-87.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:21:24 dv_ [n=dv@85-127-110-139.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 20:22:24 -!- Elench is now known as Jarvellis 20:22:44 -!- Jarvellis is now known as Elench 20:24:19 -!- nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Wasting time elsewhere."] 20:25:31 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@port-14322.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:30:59 -!- s0ber [n=s0ber@114-45-230-166.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:32:14 -!- Adlai-AWAY is now known as Adlai 20:36:27 -!- spilman [n=spilman@ARennes-552-1-17-7.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 20:38:32 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-130-230.netcologne.de] has quit ["leaving"] 20:38:46 mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:41:29 jollygood [n=jollygoo@pool-72-65-145-104.chrlwv.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:55 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@g229161040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["humhum"] 20:49:45 Hi, i'm using the "run-program" function in ecl I used like (ext:run-program "notepad" '("c:/test.txt") :output :STREAM :error :OUTPUT) 20:50:09 now how to get out? anyone knows? 20:50:47 send a sigkill to notepad? 20:50:48 ecl? 20:51:34 jthing: yesy 20:51:42 Fade: how? 20:51:50 i'd use kill 20:51:59 if you aren't on a unix machine, I have no idea. 20:52:11 from the interpreter? 20:52:46 no, from the os 20:52:58 (ext:signal 9 ) 20:53:24 you could also just quit the program, I guess. 20:53:28 runprogram should return a structure from which you can extract the handle 20:53:41 or at least it does in SBCL 20:54:30 Fade: Yes, odd that. seems francogrex dosn't have threads (enabled) 20:55:04 jthing: ok will try in sbcl 20:55:36 what would you input as command in the interpreter: (sb-ext:run-program "notepad" ... 20:56:40 ianmcorvidae|alt [n=ianmcorv@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 20:57:18 In SBCL: (sb-posix:kill pid 15) 20:57:44 that is a sigterm, a sigkill is 9 20:58:32 does (sb-posix:kill pid) default to 15? 20:58:47 jthing: yeah ok but to run it in the 1st place what would you type? 20:59:24 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Running-external-programs.html 20:59:43 sb-ext:run-program 21:00:02 Fade: no, sb-posix is an analogue of kill(2) not kill(1) 21:00:03 The simularity is what I reacted to 21:02:58 weird, I see that notepad is open as a process but i see it nowhere as active window 21:03:21 seisatsu [n=seisatsu@adsl-63-198-106-143.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:24 -!- milanj [n=milan@79.101.204.43] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:03:54 Krystof: thanks 21:04:54 -!- s0ber_ [n=s0ber@118-168-239-75.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:05:30 notepad! windows.. 21:06:26 Well run-program has been extended to run under windows, where it calls spawn (eventually) 21:07:52 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:08:02 -!- dmiles_afk [n=dmiles@c-76-104-220-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [No route to host] 21:08:09 -!- dismantr [n=jean-bap@ptr25-1-78-228-5-94.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:08:59 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:37 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:10:38 _mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 21:10:52 -!- mjf [n=mjf@r2r126.net.upc.cz] has quit [""GNU is NO UNIX!""] 21:11:16 -!- bhyde [n=Adium@c-66-30-202-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 21:13:02 -!- dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 21:13:06 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 21:14:25 -!- ianmcorvidae [n=ianmcorv@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:14:49 mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142068157113.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:38 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 21:17:42 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:18 jthing: yes notepad. why the surprise? 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21:43:55 s0ber [i=pie@118-160-165-86.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:19 aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:40 -!- Joreji [n=user@42-043.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:48:38 dihymo [n=dihymo@VDSL-130-13-182-140.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has joined #lisp 21:49:24 can some one splain: #1=(programmable . #1#) 21:50:09 maestrojed [n=maestroj@c-24-22-96-197.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:24 -!- morphling [n=stefan@gssn-590e8028.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:54:09 -!- sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:54:13 dihymo: are you surprised by the incomprehensible syntax? 21:54:18 -!- guille_ [n=user@209.Red-81-36-242.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:54:53 -!- Elench is now known as Deus-Imperator 21:56:09 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 21:59:28 Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has joined #lisp 21:59:46 Suttonian [n=Suttonia@5ac8249b.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 22:01:27 sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 22:03:04 no i am just curious 22:03:17 i graduated from 22:03:27 dihymo: it's a literal circular list 22:03:53 parensophobia a while ago 22:04:34 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:04:37 -!- hrk [n=hrk@acurwa003033.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:04:38 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:07:42 can anyone tell me about the notation? 22:07:53 #1 what is that? 22:08:03 clhs #n# 22:08:04 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for #n#. 22:08:08 cls #n 22:08:10 #1=, #1# what are they 22:08:13 clhs #n 22:08:14 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dh.htm 22:08:47 clhs 2.4.8.16 22:08:48 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhp.htm 22:10:42 ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-90-175-82.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:11:49 blacky [n=blacky@unaffiliated/blacky] has joined #lisp 22:12:30 vsync [n=vsync@24.173.173.82] has joined #lisp 22:14:31 cool 22:14:46 compact 22:15:59 anybody have any issues with the newest slime/sbcl lately? 22:16:20 tab complete at the repl seems to be b0rked for me 22:16:27 syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-227-231.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:38 mcspiff: in what fashion? 22:17:07 -!- francogrex [n=franco@91.178.125.179] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:17:25 -!- aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:17:37 stassats: slime-fuzzy-select-or-update-completions drops me into an emacs debugger 22:18:00 well, what does it say? 22:18:04 paste backtrace 22:18:09 and what's the value of slime-complete-symbol-function 22:18:45 one second, ill throw it all into one paste 22:19:47 thijso [n=thijs@83.98.233.115] has joined #lisp 22:20:52 -!- thijso [n=thijs@83.98.233.115] has quit [Client Quit] 22:21:10 -!- mejja [n=user@c-49b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:21:16 thijso [n=thijs@83.98.233.115] has joined #lisp 22:21:24 mcspiff pasted "Slime issue" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/84639 22:22:34 Pb_ [n=Pb@75.131.194.186] has joined #lisp 22:23:03 a) you have changed *read-default-float-format*, right? b) your slime isn't recent enough 22:23:42 stassats: nope for a). i thought I pulled in a new slime with clbuild but ill double check... 22:24:13 reading more backtrace: you have version mismatch between slime and swank 22:24:27 did you restart emacs? 22:24:40 stassats: d'oh that would be it 22:24:44 is there a way to run virual hosting on hunchetoo without using a different port on each? 22:25:19 im still getting use to the new server in emacs. C-x C-c just kills the frame but doesn't really close it 22:26:54 -!- mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142068157113.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:27:14 i have a function for reloading slime, because i don't like to restart emacs 22:28:20 mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142068157113.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:35 stassats: worked a treat. Thanks 22:29:09 ehks [n=ehks@ip98-169-84-58.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:36:21 -!- Wombatzus [n=wombatzu@adsl-67-124-148-26.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:39:28 freestylo [n=freestyl@72-11-230-10.static-ip.telepacific.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:18 -!- mrSpec [n=NoOne@88.208.105.1] has quit ["BB"] 22:40:26 aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:15 -!- antoszka [n=antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit ["+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++"] 22:43:18 -!- freestylo [n=freestyl@72-11-230-10.static-ip.telepacific.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:44:02 freestylo [n=freestyl@72-11-230-10.static-ip.telepacific.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:10 hello? 22:44:16 finally, this is working 22:44:18 ahh 22:44:24 >.> who's here? 22:44:29 nobody 22:44:32 lol 22:44:35 freestylo: lisp fairies 22:45:38 (loop (if (nobody-here) (browse "bash.org") (setq deluded t))) 22:46:08 *freestylo* eats a sandwich 22:46:11 eww peanut butter 22:46:16 what the hell? 22:47:27 it's better to discuss Lisp here 22:47:51 yeah, it probably is 22:47:57 came to enjoy a list discussion 22:48:06 but i got me monologuing about random stuff 22:48:38 freestylo: you can monologue on #devnull 22:48:49 -!- blacky [n=blacky@unaffiliated/blacky] has left #lisp 22:48:50 oh well, sbcl build failure due to low disk space 22:48:53 ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has joined #lisp 22:48:59 btw, i'm having some clisp trouble 22:49:02 anyone familiar? 22:49:15 *** - READ from #: an object cannot start with #\) 22:49:20 Numlock [n=resteven@igwe19.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 22:49:33 freestylo: the error message is quite clear. 22:49:39 -!- xristos [n=x@dns.suspicious.org] has quit ["Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0"] 22:50:00 freestylo: an object can't start with a closing parenthesis 22:50:09 -!- ehks [n=ehks@ip98-169-84-58.dc.dc.cox.net] has left #lisp 22:51:29 -!- Suttonian [n=Suttonia@5ac8249b.bb.sky.com] has left #lisp 22:51:39 vsync_ [n=vsync@24.173.173.82] has joined #lisp 22:51:43 -!- vsync [n=vsync@24.173.173.82] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:52:26 -!- ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:52:45 xristos [n=x@dns.suspicious.org] has joined #lisp 22:53:09 ken-p [n=ken-p@84.92.70.37] has joined #lisp 22:53:14 -!- Numlock is now known as PissedNumlock 22:58:46 -!- Lucia [n=Lucia@148.Red-79-148-241.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:59:27 -!- dwh [n=dwh@ppp118-208-241-91.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:00:48 -!- dihymo [n=dihymo@VDSL-130-13-182-140.PHNX.QWEST.NET] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:00:48 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:31 jensjenny [n=test@124.106.134.238] has joined #lisp 23:03:32 -!- jensjenny [n=test@124.106.134.238] has quit [Client Quit] 23:03:37 jensjenny [n=test@124.106.134.238] has joined #lisp 23:03:52 -!- jensjenny [n=test@124.106.134.238] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:03:59 what 'xactly is an "object?" 23:04:24 a lisp expression of some kind 23:04:41 freestylo: a list, a string, a symbol, etc... 23:04:45 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_o.htm#object 23:05:20 if you're trying to read in something that isn't a lisp object, you can't use #'read 23:07:11 freestylo: you probably have an extra ) in your code somewhere. If you use an IDE like SLIME, it'll let you know where. 23:08:03 -!- Edico [n=Edico@unaffiliated/edico] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:08:16 when i copypasta it into Clisp, it works perf though 23:09:22 telepathy is tough 23:09:27 -!- skeptomai [n=cb@67.40.185.246] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:09:49 freestylo: that @61 might be the line number, I'm not sure. 23:10:27 freestylo, http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp ? 23:10:51 serichse1 [n=harleqin@xdsl-81-173-154-78.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:11:07 -!- serichsen [n=harleqin@xdsl-81-173-237-224.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:12:10 what's the simplest way to delete the last element of a list? 23:12:25 BUTLAST? 23:12:28 ah. 23:12:56 nbutlast 23:13:08 dwh [n=dwh@eth2.vic.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:08 thanks :) 23:13:38 -!- lukjad007 [n=lukjadOO@unaffiliated/lukjad007] has quit [Client Quit] 23:14:58 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 23:15:22 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:15:23 S11001001 [n=sirian@74-137-151-39.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 23:18:10 -!- coderdad [n=coderdad@ip72-200-214-240.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:20:17 -!- Pb_ [n=Pb@75.131.194.186] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:21:46 lukego [n=lukegorr@c-67-186-135-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:21:57 -!- lukego [n=lukegorr@c-67-186-135-6.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:23:19 -!- mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142068157113.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:25:57 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-213-24.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:04 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-213-24.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:26:38 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-213-24.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:45 wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:20 -!- freestylo [n=freestyl@72-11-230-10.static-ip.telepacific.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 23:33:22 Deivu_ [n=dvdhl89@19.146.216.201.dsl.intelnet.net.gt] has joined #lisp 23:34:03 Hi 23:35:20 Can anyone help me with a problem I got during clisp build with macport? 23:35:38 -!- dostoyevsky [i=sck@195.49.138.42] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:36:08 Deivu_ pasted "CLisp mac build error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/84643 23:37:14 -!- morganb [n=user@ip24-136-41-126.ga.at.cox.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:38:28 -!- malcolm_reynolds [n=malcolm_@78-86-4-156.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 23:39:08 malcolm_reynolds [n=malcolm_@78-86-4-156.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 23:40:36 Fare [n=Fare@193.253.141.78] has joined #lisp 23:42:39 hi Fare 23:42:57 -!- HET2 [i=diman@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:44:03 hi 23:44:29 -!- saikat_ [n=saikat@c-98-210-13-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:46:07 -!- athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:52:31 -!- Deivu_ [n=dvdhl89@19.146.216.201.dsl.intelnet.net.gt] has quit ["Later..."] 23:53:02 -!- seisatsu [n=seisatsu@adsl-63-198-106-143.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:53:52 froog [n=user@90-224-38-87-no94.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 23:56:47 jan247 [n=jan247@222.127.86.98] has joined #lisp