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I am even thinking to create a system for this. 01:18:22 these are probably all in alexandria, albeit under different names 01:19:02 michaelw: I will take a look at alexandria. thanks for the info. 01:19:39 also, foo<- has an advantage over ->foo, namely that it reads nicely when nested 01:21:32 michaelw: I agree with you. I didn't even think like that. thanks. 01:22:20 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:23:19 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:23:28 -!- metasyntax [n=taylor@pool-71-127-85-87.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has quit [""Nichts mehr.""] 01:24:08 <_3b> seems like ->int should truncate reals instead of returning nil 01:24:14 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:25:14 <_3b> ah, i guess it is more of a string->int than a generic convert to int 01:25:31 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 01:25:52 _3b: It's a generic one. thanks for your advice though. 01:26:21 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:27:14 So alexandria is the most used common lisp util package? 01:28:25 discount [n=godseye@96.32.71.94] has joined #lisp 01:28:28 i have a lisp 01:28:42 what can i do to stop it? 01:29:33 sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:43 CyberBlue [n=yong@60.26.97.169] has joined #lisp 01:35:40 -!- CyberBlue [n=yong@60.26.97.169] has quit [Client Quit] 01:35:53 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 01:36:01 drakej [n=fred@216-67-20-72-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has joined #lisp 01:36:37 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:49:24 -!- saikat [n=saikat@adsl-99-33-30-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 01:53:34 sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-29-66.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:54:46 -!- envi^laptop [n=envi@115.94.144.228] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:55:00 envi^laptop [n=envi@115.94.144.228] has joined #lisp 01:56:07 -!- existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Success] 01:56:49 -!- JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 01:59:12 -!- The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087B67D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:02:56 -!- impulse32 [n=impulse@CPE001195396746-CM001ac3167610.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["leaving"] 02:03:41 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 02:04:25 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-123-168.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:04:28 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 02:04:51 isismelting [n=jo@ip72-197-229-240.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:04 I can define read macro which starts with a sharp (#) like #{...}, but is there a way to define a read macro which does not start with a sharp just like {...}? 02:08:23 hi 02:08:34 i have a lisp 02:08:37 can you help? 02:08:55 discount: What's your problem? 02:09:01 lisp 02:09:13 discount: what do you mean? 02:09:22 well i have it 02:09:31 and i need to stop it 02:09:52 -!- bobf [n=bob@unaffiliated/bob-f/x-6028553] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:10:11 how bout you? 02:10:16 discount: lisp is running on your system and you need to stop it? 02:10:39 clhs set-macro-character 02:10:40 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_ma.htm 02:10:43 my lisp is happening and people make fun of it 02:10:45 tomoyuki28jp: 02:11:11 so i dont want to do it anymore 02:11:17 what do you think i should do? 02:11:43 -!- drakej [n=fred@216-67-20-72-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:12:51 kpreid: thanks, I will take a look at it. 02:14:35 ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:15:25 drakej [n=Fred@216-67-20-72-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has joined #lisp 02:17:30 -!- dlowe1 [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:20:09 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:20:56 retupmoca [n=retupmoc@ppp-69-218-255-225.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 02:21:42 existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 02:23:23 p0a [n=user@athedsl-4392862.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 02:23:28 Hello 02:23:34 Hello 02:23:47 CL-USER::HELLO 02:23:54 How can I install (and use) libraries for common lisp? Is there a page about that 02:24:02 (explaining how to do it) 02:24:14 well i have a common lisp 02:24:16 clbuild or asdf-install 02:24:24 i want to get rid of it 02:24:25 http://www.cliki.net/ASDF-Install 02:24:31 -!- drakej [n=Fred@216-67-20-72-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:24:44 that is for p0a. 02:24:45 thanks 02:24:54 you are welcome and good luck! :) 02:26:55 drakej [n=Fred@216-67-20-72-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has joined #lisp 02:28:34 p0a: clbuild is more recent, but requires [iirc] you to possibly install gobs of version control systems to pull libs. asdf-install is a slightly wobbly hack but doesn't require any external tools (except gpg) 02:29:06 but I'll have to install asdf before installing something else with asdf... I thought about downloading the tarball and finding out myself instead of asking here 02:29:07 also asdf-install takes urls you specify or looks up packages on cliki, a wiki (which is why it checks signatures) whereas clbuild uses a list baked into itself 02:29:18 p0a: asdf is trivial to install and shipped with sbcl and ccl 02:29:55 the README insnide the file suggests to (load "somedir/load-asdf-install.lisp") and I did that with the appropriate pathname for the file, but I got 02:30:09 *** - LOAD: A file with name ASDF-INSTALL-LIBRARY:defpackage.lisp does not exist 02:30:13 p0a: what lisp implementastion are you using? 02:30:17 gnu clisp 02:30:28 ah... 02:30:39 that name suggest something peculiar is going on 02:30:48 oh 02:30:54 do you think I should try sbcl instead? 02:31:13 what I would suggest is making sure you have asdf installed, then loading asdf-install as an asdf system (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :asdf-install) rather than by other means 02:31:50 ah, silly me. I'm sorry I just understood what I did wrong with what you said kpreid 02:34:50 for the next guy, could you explain what that was? 02:35:19 I tried to install asdf-install without having asdf installed 02:43:43 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 02:44:59 kpreid: I installed sbcl successfully and REQUIREd 'asdf and 'asdf-install successfully, but (asdf-install:install 'cl-sdl) but it gives me an HTTP 302 error 02:45:13 how can I configure asdf to grab the tarball from the correct location? 02:45:58 -!- s0ber [n=s0ber@220-136-229-72.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:46:02 -!- dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-99-136-101-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:46:14 <_3b> p0a: try lispbuilder-sdl instead of cl-sdl 02:46:57 <_3b> (unless you specifically need cl-sdl for some reason) 02:46:58 p0a: in general, if the url is wrong, correct it on cliki 02:47:09 unhandled UNBOUND-VARIABLE in thread #: 02:47:45 _3b: no, I'm just looking for an sdl binding, I want to try to learn some more lisp by writing a program that does something with a library I already know 02:48:07 -!- drakej [n=Fred@216-67-20-72-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:48:29 p0a: the interesting part of the error is the next bit, that's just the type of it 02:50:08 Another goof :-) "The variable LISPBUILDER-SDL is unbound." 02:50:28 missing quote? 02:50:52 drakej [n=fred@216-67-20-72-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has joined #lisp 02:50:59 beach``` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-135-22.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 02:51:52 rats! yeah, missing quote, should had noticed myself 02:53:02 Hmm... this is giving me a 302 HTTP error as well. 02:53:13 I'll find it myself 02:53:21 <_3b> on which lib? 02:53:23 thanks for the help :D no need to bother further 02:53:25 -!- p0a [n=user@athedsl-4392862.home.otenet.gr] has quit ["bye"] 02:54:42 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.108.28] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:57:50 -!- isismelting [n=jo@ip72-197-229-240.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:59:14 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:03:59 -!- envi^laptop [n=envi@115.94.144.228] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:04:50 dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 03:05:50 -!- dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit [Client Quit] 03:06:48 -!- Qsource [n=dima@208.75.91.170] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:07:38 -!- beach`` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-116-99.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:08:05 -!- ceineke_ [n=chris@CPE001c109fb260-CM001ac319195a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:08:26 ceineke_ [n=chris@CPE001c109fb260-CM001ac319195a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 03:09:17 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:22:39 envi^laptop [n=envi@115.94.144.228] has joined #lisp 03:26:12 jao` [n=jao@cpe-75-84-114-170.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:28:04 -!- jao [n=jao@obfw.oblong.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:28:56 -!- jao` is now known as jao 03:33:57 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.189.230] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:34:56 ia [n=ia@89.169.189.230] has joined #lisp 03:36:13 -!- guenther1_ [n=guenther@sahnehaschee.unix-ag.uni-kl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:39:18 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:34 seejay [n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay] has joined #lisp 03:46:13 -!- jao [n=jao@cpe-75-84-114-170.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:46:49 kenjin [n=kenjin@163.152.84.68] has joined #lisp 03:50:18 hi folks 03:50:34 Hey dto, hows the game coming? 03:50:41 tmh: can you get youtube? 03:50:50 Yes, new video? 03:50:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZgE70O9sJQ&fmt=22 03:51:09 sound is kind of distorted 03:51:49 What function does something like (fn "mkdir /home/kenjin/hello") if I want to control the operating system? 03:53:29 tmh: http://youtube.com/dto1138/ for other videos of Invader Tactics etc 03:53:41 tmh: you on windows? we have some prelimimnary windows releases that do work 03:54:24 dto: it's massive and occupies 2x my screen size in either direction 03:54:26 tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:54:29 dto: The music was decent, but the game was busy as hell, it took me about a minute into the video to figure out what was going on. I'm on Linux. 03:56:17 yeah i will have to write instructions. 03:56:25 it's a version of asteroids where you can't shoot 03:56:29 and where many objects are moving 03:56:38 instead you have to destroy them with your trail. 03:56:44 dto: It's like snakes on crack. :-) 03:56:47 magnetic green mines clump up the asteroids 03:57:02 and you get more points for a clean sweep where you erase all the asteroids on a square 03:57:04 holycow [n=bite@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:57:12 hi lisp 03:57:15 tmh: exactly. with enemy radiation snakes 03:57:16 hi holycow 03:57:59 dto: Definitely has potential. Those kinds of games that you can play for 5~10 minutes are addictive. Something to use as a break. 03:58:04 dto: at least you got some nice diagonal action. too many 2d games feel rectangular in movement. 03:58:18 well i'm hoping it'll have a little more depth once i spend more time on it. 03:58:30 nonetheless, i want people to be able to jump in and out of playing 03:58:31 just, bam 03:58:36 did you see the other game? 03:59:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oYHmS4QyUw&feature=channel_page&fmt=22 03:59:10 dto: your making a game in lisp? 03:59:18 holycow: yes , 2 of them. 03:59:20 i guess my question is answered 03:59:28 awesome 03:59:46 btw, may i ask why you chose lisp and how do you like it so far for games? 03:59:46 dto: I saw the other game last time I was on #lisp. 03:59:54 tmh: cool 04:00:12 holycow: i love it 04:00:15 holycow: it's great 04:00:20 cool 04:00:25 holycow: join #lispgames if you wanna be involved 04:00:31 there are a number of folks ther 04:00:33 there 04:00:35 i'm too shit to help 04:00:42 dto: the second game looks nice 04:00:42 you can playtest and proide feedback. 04:00:43 but i'm adding hte chan anyway 04:00:44 :) 04:00:53 holycow: my projects are on #rlx, you are welcome there too 04:01:01 i played a similar game where you have to move tanks around and loved it 04:01:04 holycow: are you on win/mac/linux/what? 04:01:10 *fusss* played about 10 games in the last 10 years 04:01:14 linux only 04:01:20 i wouldn't touch the other two with a 10 foot pole 04:01:31 i'll say no more :) 04:01:34 hehe 04:02:16 dto: what are you using for UI? 04:02:18 dto: You know, I have a Windows XP HVM. I could fire it up to try the game, but it probably wouldn't work well. I haven't bothered to get the sound working and the best I can do is view it through remote desktop. 04:02:23 lispbuilder? 04:02:30 isomer [n=isomer@XPLR-TS-11-TOR-72-45-75-188.barrettxplore.com] has joined #lisp 04:02:39 i'm on XP right now, what did you need? 04:02:46 i'm just learning bit by bit, i like lisp just from syntax aesthetics perspective, but i like a lot of the ideas i read about so hopefully i'll get there one day 04:03:12 And besides, I'm trying to crank out some updates to a unit testing project. Must. Not. Play. Games. 04:03:15 dto: thats kind of a cool 04:04:04 Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:04:24 ... cool game 04:04:29 forgot to finish that sentence 04:04:31 heh 04:04:59 -!- Soulman [n=kvirc@42.84-48-88.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:05:45 -!- mtd [n=martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:07:03 thx for the vid dto 04:08:01 no propb! 04:08:38 dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 04:09:15 dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-64-175-33-111.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 04:11:33 mtd [n=martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 04:13:22 -!- isomer [n=isomer@XPLR-TS-11-TOR-72-45-75-188.barrettxplore.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 04:15:41 p0a [n=user@athedsl-4392862.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 04:16:04 Hello I'm trying to install lispbuilder-sdl with asdf-install, but I can't get it to work 04:16:20 don't use asdf-install. pull it from svn 04:16:40 and don't pull it from the sourceforge site, pull it from google code 04:16:56 p0a: http://code.google.com/p/lispbuilder/wiki/LispbuilderSDL this one. 04:17:35 aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:17:42 Alright, but before I proceed to what you say, I have a question about sbcl. the reason it fails is because of a warning. Debugger mode is turned off as if I had invoked sbcl with --disable-debugger, and because the condition stays unhandled the program quits. 04:18:02 I can't find an option to turn on the debugger it seems it should've been turned on if I invoke sbcl without arguments (which is what I do) 04:18:11 try using the latest svn 04:18:13 For another example, (/ 1 0) also makes sbcl exit. 04:18:17 oh 04:18:28 what platform/sbcl version? 04:18:45 it's 1.0.25 on linux 04:19:37 *shrug* 04:20:11 sykopomp: it seems to me I must install lispworks for this 04:20:27 is that what you're advising me to do? or I can grab the package from there? 04:20:40 I don't know why your sbcl is dying. That's quite strange. 04:20:48 :( 04:21:03 sbcl people seem to be asleep, and I have no clue where to even start :P 04:21:12 heh alright then 04:21:31 well if it's something all people that use the recent version experience 04:21:37 the devs should be aware of it already 04:21:59 I'm on 1.0.25 on linux, as well. I've never gotten something like this. 04:22:00 Too many variables, not enough data. 04:22:50 is pkhuong a bot? 04:23:06 p0a: no 04:23:16 oh... I don't understand what he said then 04:23:36 p0a: I think he's telling you to describe your problem with sbcl better, and concentrate on the issue with sbcl first, before wondering why libraries don't work :) 04:24:18 Alright the problem is that sbcl behaves as if I had invoked it with --disable-debugger. 04:24:33 No telepathic debugging for me tonight. 04:24:34 what distro, what package, do you know how it was compiled, etc 04:24:35 But I invoke it with no arguments, and there's no option I see in the man page to turn the debugger "on" -- it seems to be turned on by default 04:25:12 No, I fetched it with pacman on archlinux 04:25:21 So I guess I should retry manually? 04:25:23 try --no-sysinit --no-userinit. 04:25:29 that's the exact same package I'm using. 04:25:45 well, sykopomp, I'm not lying. :/ 04:25:53 p0a: try what pkhuong says. 04:25:58 doing that 04:26:06 it still quits 04:26:50 How? What does it print? We're not next to you. You are responsible for making sure we get as much potentially relevant information if you want help. 04:27:00 "quits" is awfully vague. 04:28:06 http://rafb.net/p/c7ALM035.html 04:29:04 -!- wchogg [n=wchogg@216.165.144.151] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:29:25 which sbcl 04:29:34 which? 04:29:34 "$ which sbcl", that is. 04:29:42 oh that? That happens to me, too. 04:29:47 ah, /usr/bin/sbcl 04:29:51 does sbcl have a channel on freenode? 04:29:57 holycow: this is pretty much it 04:30:03 k. 04:30:43 I think the lisp community is already smaller than other languages (at least those who actively develop & offer help in lisp) so dividing it might harm more than help 04:30:58 p0a: I'm not sure why it happens when invoked on the command line, but I have no problems with it when loading and compiling stuff, and I certainly have no problems with slime. 04:31:24 *nod* 04:31:27 do you think I should be using slime? I can't get used to the emacs interface :( 04:31:27 its also practical 04:31:36 yes 04:31:38 p0a: so it's an arch thing and I can just let you whine at the vendor? 04:31:50 -!- seejay [n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:31:52 pkhuong: sounds like it. 04:32:05 I'll check out the PKGBUILD and complain to the maintainer, I guess :P 04:33:02 but is it really something to complain about? For instance, pkhuong, this doesn't happen to you with sbcl? 04:33:04 they probably dump a custom core with the debugger disabled. I guess they think it's a good idea for scripts. 04:33:19 I take it that it doesn't happend 04:33:34 Oh well, then there's that. I'm going to install sbcl manually 04:33:39 -!- p0a [n=user@athedsl-4392862.home.otenet.gr] has quit ["bye"] 04:33:52 sigh 04:34:03 why do people insist on using sbcl through the command line?... 04:36:24 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:37:21 well when they can't learn how to use emacs ... 04:37:23 >_< 04:39:15 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-136-235.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:39:47 jao [n=jao@cpe-75-84-114-170.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:42:03 -!- sadsadasd [n=asdasd@ppp206-239.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:43:24 ddrl [n=ryan@cpe-24-27-76-127.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:44:49 -!- ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:45:01 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:45:06 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 04:47:03 seejay [n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay] has joined #lisp 04:47:03 aggieben [n=chatzill@dhcp7-57.geusnet.com] has joined #lisp 04:52:45 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:55:00 appletizer [i=user@82-32-122-177.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #lisp 04:55:37 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 04:59:00 glogic [n=glogic@5ess.net] has joined #lisp 05:00:02 -!- dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit ["leaving"] 05:05:29 -!- kenjin [n=kenjin@163.152.84.68] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 05:14:59 -!- dreish [n=dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [] 05:20:10 lostabeer [n=gavin@125-239-130-89.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 05:20:44 -!- tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has left #lisp 05:22:39 CyberBlue [n=yong@60.26.109.177] has joined #lisp 05:32:50 -!- existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:33:11 existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 05:37:28 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 05:41:55 saikat [n=saikat@adsl-99-33-30-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:42:13 -!- CyberBlue [n=yong@60.26.109.177] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:44:22 tessier [n=treed@mail.copilotconsulting.com] has joined #lisp 05:49:20 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-179-113-121.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:59:12 NaOH [n=naoh123@c-69-245-156-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:03:54 xyblor [n=nik@75-119-230-137.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 06:04:49 in asdf defsystem, how do you specify that your system depends on another system? 06:05:12 -!- H4ns1 is now known as H4ns 06:05:35 xyblor: look at any other .asd file 06:06:20 -!- jao [n=jao@cpe-75-84-114-170.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:08:49 rullie_ [n=rullie@bas4-toronto47-1176151257.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 06:09:02 -!- lostabeer [n=gavin@125-239-130-89.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:11:00 -!- drakej [n=fred@216-67-20-72-rb2.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 06:16:24 s0ber [n=s0ber@220-136-227-69.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 06:21:40 gh7d395pi69wd [n=dsadsads@unaffiliated/gh7d395pi69wd] has joined #lisp 06:21:58 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@nttkyo036048.tkyo.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:23:25 -!- tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:24:58 fcky [n=incr@78.83.225.40] has joined #lisp 06:27:58 edon [n=edon@albalug/edon] has joined #lisp 06:33:07 xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 06:38:11 eno__ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-134-71.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:44:59 Aankhen`` [n=heysquid@122.162.157.237] has joined #lisp 06:46:07 morning. 06:47:12 -!- xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:49:44 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:50:27 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 06:51:20 -!- gonzojive [n=red@fun.Stanford.EDU] has quit [] 06:54:49 -!- beach``` is now known as beach 06:55:08 Good morning. 06:55:24 Hi, beach! How delightful to see a familiar face at this time of day. 06:55:38 Thanks :) 07:04:05 kib2 [n=kib2@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:08:41 -!- aja [n=aja@unaffiliated/aja] has quit [Client Quit] 07:08:51 -!- sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:12:12 ejs [n=eugen@227-150-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 07:13:43 dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 07:16:35 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 07:16:43 -!- dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit [Client Quit] 07:22:50 c|mell [n=cmell@x250013.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 07:25:47 gemelen [n=shelta@shpd-92-101-132-1.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 07:36:02 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:38:01 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 07:42:09 yangsx [n=yangsx@125.33.154.72] has joined #lisp 07:43:35 kiuma [n=kiuma@93-36-6-127.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:47:53 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 07:49:39 -!- Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:53:30 GrayMagiker [n=steve@97-123-130-97.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:35 hjvs [n=hvs@adsl-99-145-90-156.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:50 brandelune [n=suzume@pl200.nas934.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 07:54:29 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-210-15.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 07:54:45 hello 07:55:49 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:56:42 ak70 [n=ak70@195.158.89.73] has joined #lisp 07:58:44 nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 08:00:00 -!- manic12 [n=manic12@c-76-29-88-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:00:26 Qsource [i=dima@torch.blackened.com] has joined #lisp 08:01:23 joachifm [n=joachim@bjo1-1x-dhcp025.studby.uio.no] has joined #lisp 08:02:23 -!- schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:05:26 p0a [n=user@athedsl-4392862.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 08:05:49 Hello I'm trying to get clisp or sbcl working with asdf and asdf-install but I always fail 08:06:13 minion: tell p0a about clbuild 08:06:14 p0a: direct your attention towards clbuild: clbuild [common-lisp.net] is a shell script helping with the download, compilation, and invocation of Common Lisp applications. http://www.cliki.net/clbuild 08:06:22 I downloaded the latest asdf.lisp for clisp and modified .clisprc.lisp to load it, but I don't know how 08:06:26 I will look to this now 08:06:29 it's usually the easiest way 08:06:47 JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 08:07:01 there isn't a way to get clbuild without darcs? 08:07:47 haven't looked into it that way 08:08:20 :/ 08:09:47 is darcs a major problem for you? 08:10:01 clbuild is updated with darcs, too 08:10:09 it also requires cvs 08:10:52 I'll have to install cvs, darcs and clbuild to install asdf-install to install the common lisp sdl binding... :-/ 08:11:47 so? are you on some fringe platform where hardly any software is available, like windows or macos? 08:12:19 No I'm on linux 08:12:26 lichtblau: may i quote that line? :) 08:12:26 also, clbuild doesn't download asdf-install for you (not the cclan version anyway), unless you count its sbcl building support 08:12:49 -!- yangsx [n=yangsx@125.33.154.72] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:12:49 the problem is that the maintainer of my sbcls build has done somethign terribly wrong 08:12:57 terribly, terribly wrong 08:12:59 and as a result I can't use asdf-install to download lispbuilder-sdl 08:13:21 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.8.1.19/2008110600]"] 08:13:28 well, maybe downloading lispbuilder-sdl by hand is the easiest 08:13:37 pull down the tarball linked to from the cliki page 08:13:40 That is actually an option 08:13:43 I'll try it now 08:13:44 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 08:13:44 I know, that's why I suggested it 08:14:09 *_3b* is guessing lispbuilder-sdl isn't the problem 08:14:24 mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 08:14:40 -!- Aankhen`` [n=heysquid@122.162.157.237] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:14:40 _3b: it's not the problem but it's the goal, to get it installed 08:15:20 for project in lispbuilder-sdl alexandria babel cffi cl-vectors salza2 trivial-features vecto zpb-ttf zpng; do wget cliki.net/$project?download; done 08:15:22 Krystof: So I got lispbuilder-sdl.tgz and I tar'ed it, how can I proceed in telling clisp to use it? 08:15:34 # if that doesn't work, the thing wasn't asdf-installable in the first place 08:16:32 I don't know about your local configuration, but there will be some location(s) where asdf looks for .asd files 08:16:46 symlink the .asd files from your extracted tarball to that location 08:16:56 then (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :whatever) will do something 08:17:06 possibly not what you actually want, but something 08:17:22 as lichtblau says, you will need to do this for the dependencies as well 08:17:30 I don't mind this 08:17:38 how will I find out where asdf looks at though? 08:18:12 p0a: read the asdf/README file 08:22:41 Alright 08:23:10 it's all done, now I guess I just ... use the library? I moved the directories in that place, then invoked clisp 08:23:11 p0a: you could also fire up a lisp REPL and check the value of asdf:*central-registry* to find out where it looks for .asd files. 08:23:43 ... if that is how asdf is configured 08:23:58 -!- envi^laptop [n=envi@115.94.144.228] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:24:05 envi^laptop [n=envi@115.94.144.228] has joined #lisp 08:24:24 can it be configured otherwise? (I honestly don't know, and am new to such things myself) 08:25:05 I still get component lispbuilder-sdl not found 08:25:16 with (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op 'lispbuilder-sdl) 08:25:38 even though I moved all the dependencies to (car asdf:*central-registry) 08:25:48 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:25:49 ie the untared directories I fetched from cliki 08:26:17 is the .asd file on the path? 08:26:32 that's what asdf is looking for 08:27:14 but there's many files matching *.asd in lispbuilder-sdl/ 08:27:33 for example lispbuilder-sdl-base.asd, lispbuilder-sdl-assets.asd 08:27:48 should I move all the *.asd files to that paht? 08:27:58 just symlink them to your central-registry dir 08:28:03 Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.145.109] has joined #lisp 08:28:49 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 08:28:59 All of them? 08:29:18 I have to symlink the dependencies too I guess? ;/ 08:29:41 if it doesn't find them magically otherwise :) 08:30:59 GrayMagiker: yes, with asdf:*system-definition-search-functions* 08:32:26 Krystof: I see. I learn something new everyday. 08:33:10 *** - SYSTEM::%FIND-PACKAGE: There is no package with name "SALZA2" 08:33:13 This is what I get now 08:33:29 but I have a salza2.asd symlink :-( 08:34:57 <_3b> the symlink points to the dir containing the real salza2 .asd and the rest of the salza2 files? 08:35:06 <_3b> points to the .asd in the dir i mean 08:35:25 and _the_ rest of the salza2 files? A symlink can point to one location 08:35:41 the symlink points to ~/packages/salza2/salza2.asd or something close to that 08:35:45 <_3b> right, points to the real .asd, and the files are in the same dir 08:35:57 <_3b> as the real .asd 08:36:08 yes 08:36:09 <_3b> (sorry, i'm not saying what i mean very clearly) 08:36:24 no problem I thought it was a mistake on my part 08:36:37 but I see what you mean, it's all there yes 08:37:58 <_3b> and the symlink is in the same place as the lispbuilder .asd symlink? (assuming lispbulider-sdl is what you were loading when you got that error) 08:38:49 yes they're both in (first asdf:*central-registry*) 08:40:46 <_3b> did it load a bunch of other stuff before it got to that error? 08:40:53 yes 08:41:05 cffi.asd babel.asd and others were fine 08:41:41 -!- gh7d395pi69wd [n=dsadsads@unaffiliated/gh7d395pi69wd] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 08:42:40 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:34 ehu` [n=chatzill@82-170-33-173.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #lisp 08:46:57 Hmm 08:47:04 It trurns out I had a mistake with the symbolic link 08:47:10 I fixed it and here's what I get now 08:48:26 my god what a mess 08:49:13 sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 08:49:38 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM114-51-154-1.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 08:50:44 http://paste.lisp.org/display/78009 08:50:48 this is what I get 08:51:04 -!- spacebat_ is now known as spacebat 08:51:37 When I use read macro on REPL, it works fine, but it doesn't work when I eval it directory on the sexp in the code with C-x C-e. Why does this happen? 08:52:26 <_3b> p0a: check the link to lispbuilder-sdl-assets.asd ? 08:52:52 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #lisp 08:53:11 ah -- I have to create a symlink for each *.asd file in all dependencies? 08:53:23 <_3b> most of them, yes 08:54:00 horrible 08:54:01 <_3b> you might not need ones that just run tests or demos, but it is easist to just link all of them 08:54:02 but I'll do it 08:54:14 fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-63-241.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 08:54:29 <_3b> it is just 1 command :p 08:54:44 Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@port-938.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 08:54:49 <_3b> (assuming everything was unpacked under 1 directory) 08:55:18 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-247-201-204.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:55:33 huh? 08:55:39 what command is this 08:56:04 I've been doing ln -s /path/to/lispbuilder-sdl/lispbuilder-sdl-*.asd *.asd where * is base, vecto, cffi, et cetera 08:56:11 <_3b> from the dir where the links go: ln -s /foo/bar/*/*.asd . 08:56:36 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:56:53 <_3b> wher /foo/bar/ is the dir where you unpacked everything 08:58:59 DEFGENERIC(PRINT-OBJECT): # is locked 08:58:59 If you continue (by typing 'continue'): Ignore the lock and proceed 08:59:14 I just typed continue and it said some more things and then '0 errors, 72 warnings' 08:59:24 I suppose now I finally loaded lispbuilder-sdl? 09:00:08 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM114-51-154-1.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:00:17 yes it has worked 09:00:18 excellent 09:00:30 -!- appletizer [i=user@82-32-122-177.cable.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:01:09 -!- ejs [n=eugen@227-150-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:01:19 -!- envi^laptop [n=envi@115.94.144.228] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:02:06 daniel [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 09:04:37 -!- saikat [n=saikat@adsl-99-33-30-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 09:05:40 saikat [n=saikat@adsl-99-33-30-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 09:06:34 _3b: thanks a lot 09:06:35 -!- sphex [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:06:52 I'm all set now I just need to find out how to use the binding and I can start coding ;-) bye 09:06:53 -!- p0a [n=user@athedsl-4392862.home.otenet.gr] has quit ["bye"] 09:07:12 -!- saikat [n=saikat@adsl-99-33-30-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:08:53 that turned out to be much less painful than I feared at the beginning 09:09:21 i wonder what the problem with installing vcs-programs is 09:10:04 wow. huge reduction in errors in maxima tests with ABCL: 1400 in august, 21 now. 09:18:22 -!- daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:23:22 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM114-51-15-231.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 09:24:42 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:24:47 When I define #\< and #\> as read macro, I will not be able to include then in a function name? 09:24:52 Soulman [n=kvirc@42.84-48-88.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 09:25:54 -!- cddr` [i=andy@user-5443e499.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #lisp 09:26:26 <_3b> tomoyuki28jp: depends on the non-terminating-p option to set-macro-character i think 09:26:54 -!- cddr [i=andy@user-5443e499.lns1-c9.dsl.pol.co.uk] has left #lisp 09:27:54 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:28:07 _3b: thanks for the info 09:28:13 -!- Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.145.109] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:28:32 tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has joined #lisp 09:29:37 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 09:44:36 fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6E1A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:51:13 ak701 [n=ak70@195.158.89.73] has joined #lisp 09:51:18 [1]edon [n=edon@82.114.94.26] has joined #lisp 09:53:36 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 09:53:57 -!- edon is now known as Guest20428 09:54:08 -!- [1]edon is now known as edon 09:55:34 -!- Guest20428 [n=edon@albalug/edon] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:56:02 ejs [n=eugen@215-221-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 09:56:10 -!- c|mell [n=cmell@x250013.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:56:22 yeoh [n=yeoh@118.101.153.135] has joined #lisp 09:59:37 -!- yeoh [n=yeoh@118.101.153.135] has left #lisp 10:00:23 loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has joined #lisp 10:01:23 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@EM114-51-15-231.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:02:23 -!- sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-29-66.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 10:02:59 -!- Tordek [n=tordek@host143.190-138-165.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:05:17 guenthr [n=unknown@sahnehaschee.unix-ag.uni-kl.de] has joined #lisp 10:06:23 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-29-66.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:08:42 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 10:09:10 -!- ak70 [n=ak70@195.158.89.73] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:20:14 -!- JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 10:23:07 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has quit [] 10:27:05 -!- loxs [n=loxs@213.91.162.124] has left #lisp 10:27:55 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-247-201-204.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:27:59 -!- xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:30:18 -!- ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:30:52 c|mell [n=cmell@nttkyo036048.tkyo.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:32:26 ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:33:17 JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 10:34:30 -!- JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 10:34:51 Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483EED2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:36:14 sphex [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 10:37:45 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 10:38:01 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 10:42:12 dstatyvka [i=ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 10:42:15 abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 10:42:20 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 10:42:55 Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.145.109] has joined #lisp 10:44:15 -!- kib2 [n=kib2@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net"] 10:51:03 -!- sphex_ [n=nobody@modemcable185.138-56-74.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:02:18 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:05:35 -!- tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22.2"] 11:06:31 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 11:07:28 I've got a question regarding set-macro-character. http://paste.lisp.org/display/78011 11:08:58 -!- myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:10:03 schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 11:11:17 because it uses different readtable? 11:15:03 stassats`: thanks, I will take a look at manual regarding readtable. 11:15:30 clhs *readtable* 11:15:31 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_rdtabl.htm 11:16:32 stassats`: thanks a lot for your help all the time, I appreciate it. 11:17:18 Davidbrcz [n=david@193.52.24.125] has joined #lisp 11:20:16 jocke_ [n=jocke@witychu.khg.sgsnet.se] has joined #lisp 11:21:04 perhaps, that's because each thread has its own readtable 11:21:26 uhmmm 11:22:49 -!- dto [n=user@68-187-212-45.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:23:01 dto [n=user@68-187-212-45.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 11:23:28 abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 11:24:15 I was thinking to define read macros to generate html. The syntax is like >>>>. What do you think? Has someone ever implemented such? 11:24:46 I would suggest looking at cl-who 11:25:21 Using < and > as read macros with that might make sense. 11:25:32 But, it might also make it awkward to do comparisons. 11:25:36 Zhivago: I don't like cl-who. 11:25:40 Why not? 11:25:43 Zhivago: I have created my own. http://github.com/tomoyuki28jp/shtml/tree/master 11:25:52 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 11:26:04 -!- abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:27:56 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@193.52.24.125] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 11:29:02 Zhivago: Don't you think this syntax is better than cl-who? http://paste.lisp.org/display/78012 11:29:23 But the problem is I can use the same way to generate xml. 11:29:30 s/can/cannot/ 11:30:49 abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 11:31:11 bobf [n=bob@unaffiliated/bob-f/x-6028553] has joined #lisp 11:31:56 xan [n=xan@62.78.225.40] has joined #lisp 11:32:31 -!- HET2 [n=diman@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:32:44 -!- AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:33:30 AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 11:34:32 chris2 [n=chris@p5B16890E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:35:01 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 11:36:20 How does it handle attributes? 11:36:39 Zhivago: (p :id "id1" :class "class1" "body") 11:36:50 keyword parameters will be attributes. 11:37:09 Um, so essentially the same as cl-who, except appending /'s? 11:37:15 xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 11:37:44 <_3b> tomoyuki28jp: have you seen xmlisp? 11:38:29 _3b: I think I haven't. let me take a look at it. 11:38:32 thanks for the info. 11:38:37 tomo: I'm not seeing the advantage of your system so far. 11:39:14 Zhivago: For cl-who, we gotta pass a list as a parameter for function named htm, correct? 11:39:40 Um, there is a macro to do that. 11:39:57 Zhivago: what's the name of the macro? 11:40:21 I forget, but it's something obvious like html 11:40:50 -!- schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [No route to host] 11:41:38 *c|mell* has a system that spellchecks attributes and ensures correct html parent/child relationships at compile time 11:42:44 xan__ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 11:43:58 _3b: Are you talking about this one? http://www.agentsheets.com/lisp/XMLisp/ 11:44:41 <_3b> yes, not sure if it does what you want or not 11:44:49 _3b: thanks 11:45:17 ASau [n=user@88.147.212.178] has joined #lisp 11:45:57 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has left #lisp 11:48:05 xan___ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 11:48:22 tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has joined #lisp 11:49:14 -!- xan [n=xan@62.78.225.40] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:49:51 -!- xan___ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:50:04 The-Kenny [n=moritz@p5087D23B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:51:21 Zhivago: Can I write this with cl-who as short as with shtml? (html/ (body/ (p/ :id "p-id" "hello, world"))) Note this does print output 11:52:08 -!- ejs [n=eugen@215-221-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:53:05 xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 11:53:54 -!- xan_ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:54:26 attila_lendvai [n=ati@business-89-132-61-222.business.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 11:54:55 That would be something like (htm (:body (:p :id "p-id" "hello, world"))), iirc. 11:55:14 http://www.weitz.de/cl-who/ 11:57:46 Zhivago: we gotta call html for :td in this case, right? http://paste.lisp.org/display/78012 11:58:02 s/html/htm/ 11:58:34 -!- bobf [n=bob@unaffiliated/bob-f/x-6028553] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:58:53 bobf [n=bob@unaffiliated/bob-f/x-6028553] has joined #lisp 11:58:57 You just wrap it in the htm macro. 11:59:35 Zhivago: yeah, kinda. 12:00:56 So you guys use cl-who to generate xml too? 12:01:00 -!- xan__ [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:03:44 tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:10 Zhivago: thanks for the info regarding cl-who. I became to like it more than before :) 12:04:30 Welcome. 12:04:45 I'm not against rolling your own -- just wondered what the benefit was here. 12:06:19 myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 12:06:56 Zhivago: I am relatively a new lisper, and when I saw it for the first time, I thought it could be better, and invented my own. Actually, I also did that for a http server, and just replaced it with hunchentoot recently for my own framework. 12:09:39 It's an educational route. 12:10:05 personally, I'd go with html-template (over cl-who). I could never remember cl-who's evaluation rules, YMMV. 12:11:21 You might find that better, but personally I find it kind of horrible. :) 12:12:40 vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has joined #lisp 12:13:48 "lesser evil" and all 12:13:50 -!- ASau [n=user@88.147.212.178] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:17:40 Nshag [n=shagoune@Mix-Orleans-106-4-173.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:18:38 -!- Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.145.109] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:21:02 -!- rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:21:08 rotty [n=rotty@nncmain.nicenamecrew.com] has joined #lisp 12:21:20 Hi, some weblocks user there to help me get at the Slime debugger instead of the web error page when debugging? 12:23:55 -!- keithr [n=keithr@ip68-13-249-183.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:30:20 blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:39:09 rstandy: I'm not a weblocks user but did you try binding `*BREAK-ON-SINGAL*'? 12:39:28 Those poor indians. 12:44:28 jsnell_ [n=jsnell@vasara.proghammer.com] has joined #lisp 12:49:03 davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 12:50:29 -!- rdd [n=user@c83-250-154-52.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:52:01 lichtblau: congratulations for releasing xuriella! 12:54:10 H4ns: thanks. 12:54:19 I hope the hunchentoot example still works, since I essentially did this release last year already, and only copied it to c-l.net now without testing again. 12:55:07 lichtblau: i'm going to try it. the release comes exactly at the right time as i'm at the moment starting a xslt based project :) 12:55:14 ManateeLazyCat [n=user@116.4.143.235] has joined #lisp 12:55:51 vy: thanks for the suggestion, it will be surely useful in other circumstances. But in this case it doesn't work 12:58:14 rstandy: how does it not work? 12:59:50 H4ns: I'm trying to get at the sldb debugger instead of getting HTTP error pages from weblocks. setting *BREAK-ON-SINGAL* and provoking an error in my web app didn't bring me to sldb 13:00:02 (sorry for my poor english) 13:00:10 it is called *break-on-signal* 13:00:52 what a lamer! 13:01:25 sorry, there was a typo in my setf form 13:01:36 setting the *break-on-signal* variable 13:01:44 trying again... 13:02:37 fusss [n=chatzill@70.179.113.121] has joined #lisp 13:02:40 H4ns: note that it's correct, but slow 13:03:44 interesting, I lost my slime connection and got a "bogus stack frame" 13:04:06 my newbieness is making me feel the panic 13:05:36 -!- jsnell [n=jsnell@vasara.proghammer.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:06:12 H4ns, vy: uhmm it look like slime doesn't lik setting *break-on-signal* to t 13:07:21 rstandy: It can be dangerous from time to time -- because you're trying to break on *every* signal, SLIME doesn't play well with this. Instead, you may set *break-on-signal* to a specific condition -- if there is any -- that you want to handle. 13:08:16 vy: oh, thanks for the explanation. Looks like I should read some docs about conditions in CL 13:08:33 thank you guys for pointing me in the right direction 13:09:04 rstandy: Nothing special, just check if weblocks signals a specific signal in case of an error. 13:11:44 vy: hmm, let me try to dig into the weblocks signal handling 13:16:34 LostMonarch [n=roby@host234-178-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:17:53 myrkraverk` [n=johann@157-157-81-133.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #lisp 13:20:24 beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-3-68.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:21:07 tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:15 -!- ManateeLazyCat [n=user@116.4.143.235] has quit [Success] 13:23:21 lichtblau: The Hunchentoot link on your example page links to your example page ;) 13:24:31 -!- beach [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-135-22.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:24:34 -!- beach` is now known as beach 13:25:53 HET2 [n=diman@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp 13:26:37 ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has joined #lisp 13:27:06 fiveop: Is it tail-call optimized? 13:27:07 bobf_ [n=bob@host81-151-253-225.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:27:07 -!- bobf [n=bob@unaffiliated/bob-f/x-6028553] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:30:00 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has quit [] 13:32:38 -!- myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:32:44 beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-58-216.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:35:01 -!- seejay [n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:35:11 vy: no the sharp is missing 13:35:37 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:36:37 ASau [n=user@95.84.54.192] has joined #lisp 13:37:26 -!- tomoyuki28jp [n=tomoyuki@w221062.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:38:54 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@70.179.113.121] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]"] 13:39:02 seejay [n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay] has joined #lisp 13:39:40 beach`` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-43-56.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:47:06 -!- beach [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-3-68.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:47:28 beach``` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-123-202.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:50:12 yolovi [n=wobuss@p57B73A59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:24 sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-25-7.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:55:38 uhm, my problem seems to be related to the Hunchentoot 1.0 error handling code 13:56:06 -!- beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-58-216.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:56:20 how people bypass the hunchentoot html error page to get directly at the sldb? 13:56:38 rstandy: we set *break-on-signals* 13:56:46 doh :-) 13:57:04 rstandy: what exactly is your problem with that? 13:57:32 segv_ [n=mb@p4FC1EED2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:01 H4ns: no problem really, I just a bit confused because of my newbiness with CL 13:58:50 H4ns: I read that there was a variable in hunchentoot prior to 1.0 that allowed that by simply setting it to NIL 13:59:05 H4ns: something like *CATCH-ERRORS-P* 13:59:25 kuhzoo1 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has joined #lisp 13:59:37 -!- segv [n=mb@p4FC1D434.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:00:09 ok, so let's go with signals 14:00:21 rstandy: right. it has been removed in favor of *break-on-signals* because we felt that it would be better to use the generic mechanism rather than inventing a special purpose one. 14:00:26 are errors a kind of signal? 14:00:28 kpreid [n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-4-64.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:00:42 errors are conditions which are signalled. 14:00:47 H4ns: oh, ok. Thanks for the clarification 14:01:36 H4ns: oh ok. 14:02:38 mumble muble, just to stop bothering you, can you point me to a good conditions/signals tutorial? 14:03:01 minion: tell rstandy about signals 14:03:02 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``signals''. 14:03:08 minion: tell rstandy about signal 14:03:09 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``signal''. 14:03:28 minion: google is better than you 14:03:29 i agree - google is better than me 14:03:41 haha 14:03:46 clhs signal 14:03:47 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_signal.htm 14:04:09 H4ns: thank you :-) 14:04:24 -!- beach`` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-43-56.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:05:06 http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Condition-Handling-2001.html 14:05:13 ak70 [n=ak70@195.158.89.73] has joined #lisp 14:05:54 c|mell: thank you too, c|mell 14:06:06 -!- wentbackward|zzz is now known as wentbackward 14:06:08 lichtblau: i take it that you've tested xuriella on sbcl only? 14:08:04 -!- yolovi [n=wobuss@p57B73A59.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 14:09:56 jewel [n=jewel@dsl-247-201-204.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:11:50 hi all 14:11:55 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-29-66.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:12:00 nis [n=nicolas@86.201.73.86] has joined #lisp 14:12:11 hi dto 14:12:56 how are you rstandy 14:13:40 dto: Excited thanks :-) 14:13:42 JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:13:44 dto: Learning CL is exciting :-) 14:13:56 rstandy: cool : 14:14:03 rstandy: i do lisp games 14:14:08 Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.145.109] has joined #lisp 14:14:13 Davidbrcz [n=david@193.52.24.125] has joined #lisp 14:14:33 dto: oh, are those videos of CL game on youtube yours? 14:14:37 yes 14:14:58 dto: cool, it seems a nice game :-) 14:15:01 i'm still learning cl :) 14:15:15 game(s) plural. i'm working on 2 at once! 14:15:23 cads [n=max@72.54.140.153] has joined #lisp 14:16:11 dto: hehe, good 14:17:29 dto: I'm finding my way through web development with CL now, but games are also a really cool device to learn a language 14:18:27 -!- ak701 [n=ak70@195.158.89.73] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:18:49 -!- vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:18:57 wow, conditions and restarts are just wonderful 14:19:29 poor java, C++, Python guys, they don't know what they miss 14:19:58 rstandy: many of them don't know how to use their own systems... 14:20:40 -!- kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:20:57 lichtblau: your hunchentoot example works flawlessly, with sbcl. 14:21:58 p_l: heh, you are profoundly right. I'm forced to use Plone at work, which has a *huge* codebase and I really doubt anyone really knows how it works 14:23:46 -!- Davidbrcz [n=david@193.52.24.125] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 14:23:55 rstandy: Plone is not bad, though. But I had heard and seen way too many "catch all" exception handlers 14:23:56 -!- kuhzoo1 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:24:57 oh, that thing :) 14:25:14 Zope is really rather... odd 14:25:41 it feels like a web framework designed by a person who in a previous life wrote COBOL for ibms 14:26:02 cads_ [n=max@72.54.140.153] has joined #lisp 14:26:03 -!- hugod [n=hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633728.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:26:07 hugod [n=hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633728.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:26:16 rsynnott: Still, I had pleasant time playing with Zope, except installation :) 14:26:41 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [] 14:26:58 manic12 [n=manic12@c-76-29-88-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:27 kuhzoo1 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has joined #lisp 14:27:27 and back then there was no sight of Django, RoR and similar that I would have heard of. Web Applications usually meant either CGI model, the same with PHP or Java stuff :) 14:30:01 p_l: don't know about Zope, but writing an object database (the ZODB) without the flexibilty of the MOP, seems to me a little hazardous 14:31:08 rstandy: Well, Pythons object protocol is very simple and they made it even simpler to extend lately... 14:31:38 BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.cpe.ge-0-2-0-1104.arcnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 14:32:09 p_l: well simplicty is a good thing, simplicity + flexibilty is much better 14:32:13 cause despite outside appearance, Python's object implementation is quite different from lets say java :) 14:32:50 p_l: yeah, I liked it, before encountering the CL implementation ;-) 14:33:10 heh. I only really got CLOS after playing with types in Haskell :) 14:33:37 and by "really got" I mean "ooh so that's how you use it!" 14:34:01 p_l: I know nothing about Haskell but seems to be a very respectable language 14:34:14 it is certainly better level of understanding than "WTF!? I better stick to functional and structural programming" 14:34:40 Haskell, the language of excellent libraries and no application s :) 14:35:29 *p_l* feels like he is doing haskell advocacy in #lisp and Lisp advocacy in #haskell. And Haskell&CL advocacy in #clojure xD 14:36:30 sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:37:51 i seem to be approaching haskell but never actually using it. first list comprehensions from python, functional stuff with common lisp, types in ocaml... :) 14:37:55 p_l: add Python to the list :-) 14:38:14 Haskell got itself however a superb "killer-app" to get new people, XMonad & GHC :) 14:38:35 -!- ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:38:43 rstandy: funny given that I last wrote python code last summer... 14:39:35 p_l: your are luky, I must write python code for our Plone site for God knows how much time 14:39:49 rstandy: lack of paid work isn't lucky 14:40:10 p_l: touche' :-) 14:41:18 That Zope backend is a nightmare if you have to touch it. But content modelling in Plone is actually pretty good. My company switch to Alfresco a long time back. Defintiely a better choice 14:41:36 And I'd prefer to write in Python for Plone/Zope than to write Java for uni assignments 14:42:07 -!- seejay [n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:42:09 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:42:14 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 14:42:24 mishok13 [n=gdmfsob@dm.sonopia.com] has joined #lisp 14:42:54 p_l: I absolutely Agree. At least, Python has an interactive environment 14:42:59 hell, I even got myself a mainframe COBOL installation. Might learn how to program it if it would mean steady supply of money 14:43:29 ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has joined #lisp 14:46:40 mcspiff [n=user@drmons0501w-142177073097.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:06 ruediger [n=the-rued@62.218.228.5] has joined #lisp 14:48:25 -!- kuhzoo1 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:49:06 kuhzoo1 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has joined #lisp 14:53:30 Is clbuild still an acceptable way of pulling in libraries when setting up a new dev enviroment? 14:54:00 as far as i know 14:54:49 think so; after all it's only new 14:54:50 it would be nice if the changelog was on the website 14:55:19 even asdf-install is still reasonably usable, though certain people will look down their noses at you if you use it :) 14:55:31 agreed. Or even some indication of life. Could check the darcs log i supose. 14:56:50 common lisp web presence isn't very 2.0 :) 14:56:59 last commit 2 days ago. I'd say that counts as a lively project 14:57:49 -!- sepult_ [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-25-7.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:58:56 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-25-7.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:01:14 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:01:17 dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 15:02:30 has anyone pulled hunchentoot via clbuild lately? 15:03:10 schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 15:03:18 mcspiff: yeah, hunchentoot 1.0 from clbuild 15:03:34 any trouble? 15:03:40 mcspiff: happily using clbuild here :-) 15:04:00 mcspiff: not at all 15:04:01 rstandy: sbcl? 15:04:21 mcspiff: yes, also via clbuild 15:04:39 mcspiff: why don't you expose your problem? 15:05:00 mcspiff: less quesitions, better answers ;-) 15:05:25 rstandy: The value #\T is not of type LIST. 15:05:49 rstandy: when trying a simple (start (make-instance 'acceptor :port 8080)) 15:06:00 -!- bobf_ [n=bob@host81-151-253-225.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:06:37 milanj [n=milan@93.86.113.80] has joined #lisp 15:07:05 rstandy: trying again, usocket tells me the socket is in use, but theres no server actually there 15:07:06 -!- eno__ is now known as eno 15:07:12 mcspiff: (hunchentoot:start (make-instance 'hunchentoot:acceptor :port 15:07:12 8001)) => # 15:08:55 mcspiff: humm, could you paste the backtrace to lisppaste? 15:09:18 -!- wentbackward [n=wentback@n219077065141.netvigator.com] has quit [""Yabadabadoo""] 15:10:01 mcspiff pasted "hunchentoot" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/78014 15:10:22 rstandy: using port 8002 in that example, but its been the same every time 15:12:53 mcspiff: I'm really a newbie, so only suggestion is: have you tried to clean all fasl and recompile? 15:13:23 piplined [i=e7ad34ee@c-98-226-80-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:31 mcspiff: you do that with: clbuild clean 15:13:34 rstandy: I have. Any idea the last time you would have updated with clbuild? 15:13:45 mcspiff: sure nothihng's using it? 15:13:48 (the port) 15:13:52 netstat will tell you 15:14:09 Also make sure you've updated all the sources. Can you look at bordeaux-threads:*default-special-bindings* ? 15:14:20 rsynnott: usocket is binding to it, but hunchentoot isnt attaching a thread *i think* 15:14:42 -!- piplined [i=e7ad34ee@c-98-226-80-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #lisp 15:15:05 mcspiff: mmm, I've the latest hunchentoot, but don't remember about other packages involved 15:15:35 god, trying to get this exception hanlding down is such a pain. Been working on it for awhile now and it's not very clear 15:15:36 pkhuong: its just a string, im assuming the default one 15:15:51 -!- discount [n=godseye@96.32.71.94] has quit [] 15:15:59 let me see my version of bordeaux-threads 15:16:17 rstandy: dumb question, how do you check that? 15:16:26 mcspiff: can you paste the value as an annotation? 15:16:40 I suppose I will have to upgrade to hunchentoot 1 some day 15:16:51 *rsynnott* forsees annoyance 15:16:53 mcspiff: with: darcs changes 15:17:34 mcspiff: last change to my version of bordeaux-threads is dated: Sat Mar 14 16:31:08 CET 2009 15:17:48 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@62.218.228.5] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:17:51 mcspiff annotated #78014 "bordeax-threads" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/78014#1 15:18:50 Does anyone know of any better resources than PCL for explaining how the exception handling works in lisp? It's really hanging up my process through the rest of the book at this point. 15:18:56 rstandy: mine is dated Mon Mar 30 15:19:28 mcspiff: so, try to revert back to an earlier version and reload the bordeax-threads package 15:19:41 TDT: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Condition-Handling-2001.html 15:19:44 Oh wow. So bad. Bug in bx-threads. mcspiff: at the repl, do (setf bordeaux-threads:*default-...-...* nil) 15:20:25 TDT: don't know if it's better than PCL, but it's a link I got today and seems promising 15:20:53 and post a bug report. They likely forgot the initial value form in their (defvar *default-special-bindings* _()_ "Documentation string") 15:21:07 rstandy: Thanks, I'll read that. Reread the chapter about 3 times so far, and getting stuff to work in example code is really turning to be a pain. I'll read this and hope it makes more sense. Thanks for your help! :) 15:21:59 TDT: np, just returning to #lisp some of the kind help I got ;-) 15:22:07 pkhuong: id say you're right, based on the commit message 15:22:34 thanks guys 15:22:57 mcspiff: you're welcome 15:24:17 clhs *pprint-right-margin* 15:24:18 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for *pprint-right-margin*. 15:24:29 pkhuong: think i should just fire off a message to -dev mailing list? 15:25:31 -!- dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit ["leaving"] 15:26:42 _Pb [n=Pb@75.139.137.1] has joined #lisp 15:27:07 -!- kuhzoo1 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:28:27 kuhzoo1 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has joined #lisp 15:32:43 dlowe1 [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:34:07 -!- _Pb [n=Pb@75.139.137.1] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:36:25 kuhzoo2 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has joined #lisp 15:37:20 dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 15:38:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-a7aBlNazs&fmt=22 15:39:03 safe for work...lisp game demo 15:39:46 blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has joined #lisp 15:40:01 i don't think that games are safe for work 15:40:15 oh. 15:40:20 never mind. 15:40:41 neither is IRC 15:41:48 dto: pretty cool stuff 15:42:03 dto: using straight xlib? 15:43:55 -!- borism [n=boris@195.50.201.96] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 15:44:40 -!- xinming [n=hyy@125.109.248.189] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:45:23 mcspiff: I suppose so. 15:45:37 xinming [n=hyy@125.109.248.189] has joined #lisp 15:46:14 heh, that's quite nice 15:49:53 -!- blandest [n=blandest@softhouse.is.ew.ro] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:50:40 dlowe1: no, lispbuilder-sdl 15:51:05 dlowe1: the project page is http://dto.github.com/notebook/rlx.html 15:51:12 it's being ported to common lisp about 85% done 15:52:15 there's other videos on my channel. i'm working on 2 different games with the engine right now 15:52:57 Is there an alternate download location for split-sequence, than then one specified on cliki? (the linked server seems to be down) 15:57:31 josemanuel [n=josemanu@204.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 15:57:53 fiveop: hi fiveop. There is the darcs repo: http://common-lisp.net/project/clbuild/mirror/split-sequence 15:58:01 _zenon_ [n=x@c-a1d3e055.43-4-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:59:55 LiamH [n=nobody@pool-68-239-77-4.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:09 -!- Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.145.109] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:02:38 -!- kuhzoo1 [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:03:11 stepirc [n=step@93.68.156.53] has joined #lisp 16:03:12 ciao!!!!!!!!!!!!! 16:03:15 !lsit 16:03:20 !list 16:03:27 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 16:03:57 rstandy: thanks 16:04:14 hello 16:04:22 -!- dkcl [n=dan@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit ["leaving"] 16:04:24 -!- stepirc [n=step@93.68.156.53] has left #lisp 16:06:01 NaOH_1 [n=naoh123@c-69-245-156-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:06:01 -!- NaOH [n=naoh123@c-69-245-156-18.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:06:04 -!- myrkraverk` 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metaobject-protocol/{before/after/around}-methods/multiple-inheritance/multiple- 16:12:22 dispatch, errors/warnings/conditions... 16:12:25 interesting 16:12:37 i'd love tutorials on how to use those various datatypes 16:13:01 practical common lisp 16:13:07 minion: pcl 16:13:09 pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 16:13:18 k. 16:14:07 agnel [n=joel@115.99.2.68] has joined #lisp 16:14:14 -!- lemoinem [n=swoog@modemcable085.189-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:14:32 mejja_ [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:15:15 Khisanth [n=Khisanth@pool-151-204-129-173.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:27 -!- mejja [n=user@c-f6b6e555.023-82-73746f38.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:16:41 -!- mejja_ is 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is now known as beach 18:02:32 Good evening. 18:02:34 mxb [n=mxb@bealbywm.plus.com] has joined #lisp 18:03:06 -!- xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:03:59 -!- ace4016 [i=ace4016@cpe-76-168-248-118.socal.res.rr.com] has quit ["When there's nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire."] 18:04:44 -!- puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:04:45 hi beach 18:05:13 -!- billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:07:37 wraith0x2b [n=wraith@89.136.174.25] has joined #lisp 18:07:41 hello 18:08:03 I'm trying to install StumpWM under archlinux, and for that I was trying to install clx 18:08:12 and I get this : http://pastie.org/436957 18:09:20 Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:12:05 -!- fjs_ [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-63-241.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:12:24 -!- fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-63-241.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:12:25 wraith0x2b: I am trying to find a place where you should install it from. 18:12:39 beach: thanks a lot :) 18:13:44 wraith0x2b: Do a darcs get http://common-lisp.net/~crhodes/clx and then compile it "manually" with asdf (as opposed to asdf-install). 18:14:27 you will have to explain a bit (I don't know any lisp...) 18:14:35 the steps I followed were from a wiki page 18:15:30 Sure: step 1, find a suitable directory on your computer. Do the "darcs get http..." thing. 18:15:48 already did 18:15:51 I have a build dir 18:16:40 -!- dlowe1 [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:17:09 dlowe1 [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:36 Then you have to make sure that directory is in a list that is the value of the variable asdf:*central-registry*. There are two ways of doing that, I typically put something like (push "/home/mumble/..." asdf:*central-registry*) in my ~/.sbclrc 18:17:51 -!- rlb3 [n=user@c-98-200-246-163.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:18:12 enodran [n=enodran@208-78-98-174.slicehost.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:57 But you can also put a symlink to the .asdf file in that directory from the site-systems subdirectory of you SBCL installation. 18:19:22 yes someone else suggested that 18:19:25 Step 3 is to fire up SBCL and type (asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :clx), and you should see it compile and load. 18:19:32 I got the clx source and put it in ~/.sbcl/site/clx 18:19:41 and ln -s clx.asd in ~/.sbcl/systems/ 18:20:11 Then step 3 should do it. 18:22:38 mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:23:27 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@77.124.71.204] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:27:06 beach: yes clx is compiled 18:27:13 now I need cl-ppcre :( 18:27:19 unhandled ASDF-INSTALL::KEY-NOT-TRUSTED in thread #: 18:27:28 (guessing that was the problem) 18:28:04 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:28:09 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 18:30:21 Athrufee [n=narayan@crj95-3-82-237-151-159.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:32 wraith0x2b: What is the problem with cl-ppcre? 18:30:48 I got tha error and loads more 18:30:58 then unhandled condition in --disable-debugger mode, quitting 18:31:08 I need it build so I can then build stumpwm 18:31:17 wraith0x2b: There is a gpg key check that might fail. You can get the key, or answer skip the check. 18:31:30 doesn;t ask for an answer 18:31:38 apparently it's sbcl's fault 18:32:09 minion: tell wraith0x2b about lisppaste 18:32:10 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 18:32:22 :) 18:32:28 wraith0x2b: could you paste the error message and the backtrace please. 18:32:31 I'll try a manual install like I did with clx 18:32:39 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 18:34:13 frank_s [n=FrankS@41.145.126.246] has joined #lisp 18:34:18 H4ns: Xuriella itself is written in portable code, but Plexippus is SBCL-only due to the floating point stuff 18:36:07 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:36:31 fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-63-241.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 18:37:26 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:38:00 -!- wraith0x2b [n=wraith@89.136.174.25] has left #lisp 18:38:33 borism [n=boris@195-50-201-96-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 18:40:03 ntoll [n=ntoll@85.210.66.47] has joined #lisp 18:45:13 frank_s_ [n=FrankS@41.145.126.246] has joined #lisp 18:46:24 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:49:26 -!- frank_s [n=FrankS@41.145.126.246] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:49:31 -!- frank_s_ is now known as frank_s 18:50:42 *rsynnott* wonders where all these names come from 18:55:07 justsee [n=justin@unaffiliated/justsee] has joined #lisp 18:55:41 tombom [i=tombom@86.9.236.124] has joined #lisp 18:56:32 LostMonarch [n=roby@host234-178-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:01:50 -!- Dawgmatix [n=deep@207-237-30-94.c3-0.avec-ubr11.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:05:06 -!- Krystof has set mode -o Krystof 19:05:26 -!- nat1192 [n=nat1192@adsl-074-183-056-244.sip.cha.bellsouth.net] has quit [] 19:08:58 I can't believe I'm forgetting this. If we have (defun sq (x) (* x x)), then x is evaluated twice. What is the usual way to correct this? 19:09:11 -!- emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:09:40 you are wrong 19:09:56 Krystof: Erm. 19:10:03 Yes I am. 19:10:26 -!- justsee [n=justin@unaffiliated/justsee] has left #lisp 19:10:33 Maybe it was with macros where this problem arises. 19:10:37 H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:41 Well, the expression consisting of the single symbol x is actually evaluated twice. 19:10:47 -!- mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:10:50 yes, and then once-only is the solution 19:11:47 (my answer was to the macro case, beach sneaked in his reply) 19:11:53 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:11:57 michaelw: we got it. 19:12:06 beach: What do you mean? 19:12:45 it is true that x is evaluated twice, in some sense 19:12:55 you might even be able to see it if you tweak your example slightly 19:13:11 (defun special-sq () (* *special* *special*)) 19:13:12 If evaluating x were to lead to side effects? 19:13:12 Quadrescence: that in an expression such as (* x x), the arguments to * are evaluated first. They are particularly simple this time, only variable references, but they have to be evaluated nevertheless. Otherwise, you would pass a symbol to the * function. 19:13:34 -!- josemanuel [n=josemanu@204.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Saliendo"] 19:13:48 beach: Ah, yeah. 19:13:52 Quadrescence: Evaluating an expression consisting of a variable does not have any side effects. 19:13:59 (progn (make-thread (lambda () (loop (incf *special*))) (sleep 0.1) (loop (print (special-sq)))) 19:14:01 emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 19:14:17 if you're lucky, at some point that will print a number that is not a square 19:14:51 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:21 Krystof: if you modify the example like that, you can see it without threads, too. with a symbol macro 19:15:34 true 19:16:22 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:17:30 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:17:32 -!- H4ns1 is now known as H4ns 19:19:15 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:19:22 -!- milanj [n=milan@93.86.113.80] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:19:41 -!- tessier [n=treed@mail.copilotconsulting.com] has quit ["leaving"] 19:23:24 -!- LostMonarch [n=roby@host234-178-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["raise RuntimeError"] 19:26:22 H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:03 H4ns2 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:56 syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.180.215] has joined #lisp 19:28:34 Ne0 [n=encrypto@92.98.1.173] has joined #lisp 19:28:55 -!- Ne0 [n=encrypto@92.98.1.173] has left #lisp 19:30:13 -!- chris2 [n=chris@p5B16890E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:32:27 dkcl [n=dkcl@86.67.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:34:37 -!- dkcl [n=dkcl@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit [Client Quit] 19:34:51 dkcl [n=dkcl@86.67.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:34:59 Tordek [n=tordek@host189.190-137-176.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:36:43 -!- _CitizenKane_ [n=quassel@edit57.daily.umn.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:37:08 slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1C004.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:42:50 mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:39 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:45:01 -!- H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:47:45 xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:48:08 Hun [n=Hun@pd956be5d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:48:57 vy [n=user@88.227.51.34] has joined #lisp 19:52:18 -!- GrayMagiker [n=steve@97-123-130-97.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:52:41 GrayMagiker [n=steve@97-123-189-76.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:45 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-211-164.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit ["Valete!"] 19:55:16 -!- myrkraverk` [n=johann@157-157-81-133.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:56:49 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-211-164.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 19:57:50 grkz [n=qsvans@pdpc/supporter/active/grkz] has joined #lisp 19:58:11 myrkraverk` [n=johann@157-157-81-133.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #lisp 19:58:20 -!- xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 19:58:40 xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 19:59:08 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:58 schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 20:00:24 -!- schoppen1auer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:00:26 gnarl, protocol design is hard. 20:01:08 let's go shopping 20:05:05 that would indeed be better for the world economy than all this "working for free" nonsense 20:05:16 stop destroying the software industry, people 20:05:27 i got the closette.lisp and newcl.lisp, but again fail on loading them 20:05:33 gah 20:05:42 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 20:06:04 benny [n=benny@i577A1FFA.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:07:21 S11001001 [n=sirian@74-137-151-39.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 20:07:25 -!- kuhzoo2 is now known as kuhzoo 20:11:43 -!- nis [n=nicolas@86.201.73.86] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:11:50 H4ns [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:12 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:13:23 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 20:13:41 How feasible would it be to use SLIME with some other lisp, like scheme? 20:13:57 quite feasible 20:14:09 there are slime backends for ruby, clojure, kawa and scheme48 20:14:18 Quadrescence: A Clojure-Slime exists. 20:14:19 Interesting! 20:15:29 -!- mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:16:10 I have used SLIME with scheme, when I took a scheme class in school. Lost the setup files for it as that was a hard drive format ago. It wasn't very hard to set up though, at least not on Ubuntu. 20:16:21 seamus-android [n=user@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust124.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 20:17:50 oudeis [n=oudeis@77.124.71.204] has joined #lisp 20:19:14 Jabberwock [n=Tumnus_@port-2805.pppoe.wtnet.de] has joined #lisp 20:20:07 -!- benny` [n=benny@i577A261B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:21:12 -!- Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@port-938.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 20:26:40 -!- BrianBek [n=BrianBek@0x573fd50a.cpe.ge-0-2-0-1104.arcnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit ["Now doing something completely different"] 20:26:51 H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:47 H4ns3 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:43 -!- dlowe1 [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:30:26 -!- H4ns2 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:30:29 -!- ddrl [n=ryan@cpe-24-27-76-127.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:30:39 ddrl [n=ryan@cpe-24-27-73-108.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:31:21 -!- vy [n=user@88.227.51.34] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:34:35 -!- seamus-android [n=user@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust124.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:34:38 seamus-android [n=user@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust124.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 20:35:01 jao [n=jao@cpe-75-84-114-170.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:37:23 dlowe1 [n=dlowe@c-24-91-154-83.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:38:42 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@77.124.71.204] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:40:03 jfactor [n=jfactor@dhcp-0045950725-40-9d.client.law.harvard.edu] has joined #lisp 20:40:27 mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:26 benny99 [n=bebenny@p5486B201.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:22 metasyntax [n=taylor@pool-71-127-85-87.aubnin.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:35 -!- benny99 [n=bebenny@p5486B201.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:44:25 -!- kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:45:05 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:45:08 -!- H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:45:23 -!- aggieben [n=chatzill@dhcp7-57.geusnet.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:47:12 -!- manic12 [n=manic12@c-76-29-88-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:47:12 -!- seamus-android [n=user@cpc3-brig3-0-0-cust124.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:48:34 manic12 [n=manic12@c-76-29-88-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:57 I beat my closing-parentheses-count record. I now have ))))))))) => 9 parentheses! 20:49:04 -!- manic12 [n=manic12@c-76-29-88-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:50:34 manic12 [n=manic12@c-76-29-88-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:54 -!- ziarkaen [n=ziarkaen@88-108-126-11.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:53:04 josemanuel [n=josemanu@204.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:58:18 kuhzoo [n=kuhzoo@office.01.com] has joined #lisp 20:59:05 billstclair [n=billstcl@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 20:59:13 rdd [n=user@c83-250-154-52.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 20:59:37 ejs [n=eugen@173-71-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:01 -!- mrsolo_ [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:02:35 beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-63-55.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:03:45 -!- xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:10:02 -!- LiamH [n=nobody@pool-68-239-77-4.res.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 111 (Connection refused)] 21:14:04 -!- nha [n=prefect@137-64.105-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:14:11 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.110.20] has joined #lisp 21:15:02 -!- ntoll [n=ntoll@85.210.66.47] has quit ["this is not a quit message"] 21:15:12 -!- dkcl [n=dkcl@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit ["leaving"] 21:15:57 meh, I've had 14 21:16:00 :P 21:16:16 dkcl [n=dkcl@86.67.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 21:16:56 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:17:00 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 21:17:07 ejs1 [n=eugen@173-71-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:21 S11001001: Shush you. 21:18:13 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:19:14 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:39 -!- hjvs [n=hvs@adsl-99-145-90-156.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:19:47 -!- beach [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-123-202.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:20:06 I'm having the same problem this person had http://paste.lisp.org/display/76753 21:20:12 not sure how he fixed it 21:20:12 -!- josemanuel [n=josemanu@204.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Saliendo"] 21:20:55 nis [n=nicolas@ABordeaux-258-1-82-86.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:21:08 -!- Jabberwock [n=Tumnus_@port-2805.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:21:27 cipher: IIRC flexi-streams changed incompatibly with the 1.0 release 21:21:35 cl-irc was probably written with a pre-1.0 version in mind 21:22:19 k, I'm not particularly attached to cl-irc is there something better? 21:22:27 not to my knowledge 21:22:33 cipher: use clbuild, you'll get the vcs version 21:22:36 or a dev version 21:22:40 guaqua: I am using clbuild actually 21:22:49 or just go to the file in question and change one line 21:22:55 i'm using the library 21:23:02 it should just be renaming a couple of symbol names 21:23:06 (in cl-irc) 21:23:13 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@140.232.180.215] has quit ["Leaving..."] 21:23:17 xan [n=xan@cs78225040.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 21:23:17 it's actually only one call in protocol.lisp iirc 21:23:17 guaqua: well actually I'm wondering if this problem is causing something else I'm experiencing with cl-irc 21:23:18 if you're up for it, I'm sure erik would appreciate a patch 21:23:22 *hefner* greps around, spots 16 consecutive close parens in one hack 21:23:54 let me paste the down-the-line problem 21:25:01 schoppen1auer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:25:55 hefner: Shush you too. 21:26:02 -!- schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:26:04 I'm not proud. 21:26:19 Yes you are; I hear it. 21:26:51 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p5DD1C004.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:27:35 cipher: i think you need to update your clbuild 21:27:38 it builds for me 21:27:43 just fine 21:28:46 cipher pasted "cl-irc connection compilation error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/78030 21:29:23 yeah it builds fine for me on clbuild too now 21:29:32 -!- ejs [n=eugen@173-71-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:30:02 H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:09 but I still have the error I just pasted. 21:30:40 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:31:21 hmm 21:31:23 works for me 21:31:42 btest [n=btest@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe71fb00-33.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 21:31:44 I'm updating my sbcl now 21:33:36 -!- jocke_ [n=jocke@witychu.khg.sgsnet.se] has quit ["Lämnar"] 21:33:39 -!- btest [n=btest@dsl-hkibrasgw3-fe71fb00-33.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:00 nope, same problem 21:35:19 interesting 21:35:43 it only happens after I use join 21:35:51 you updated the sources? 21:37:19 -!- mxb [n=mxb@unaffiliated/mxb] has quit ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.3.1"] 21:43:13 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:42 -!- H4ns3 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:47:15 -!- tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22.2"] 21:47:28 k, not sure what did it but I just deleted my sources/cl-irc and updated it from scratch 21:47:39 seems to work now 21:48:02 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@173-71-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:52:08 Beket [n=stathis@adsl-248-053.diodos.auth.gr] has joined #lisp 21:52:50 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 21:52:58 -!- xinming [n=hyy@125.109.248.189] has quit ["leaving"] 21:53:22 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@149.43.110.20] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:57:02 -!- BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:57:48 BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:59:26 -!- Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:59:39 anyone running MCL (not OpenMCL or Clozure) here? 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22:44:52 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 22:44:58 LiamH pasted "untitled" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/78034 22:47:01 BrianRice` [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:12 vindimy [i=vindimy@netblock-68-183-84-146.dslextreme.com] has joined #lisp 22:48:20 yay lisp ftw lolz 22:49:17 -!- H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0CE14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:50:23 *vindimy* lol 22:51:21 -!- xaxa` [i=fnhwpd@h1372646.stratoserver.net] has left #lisp 22:51:28 LiamH: some returns a boolean. subseq expects an offset 22:51:30 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@89-138-5-93.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:51:56 clhs some 22:51:57 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_everyc.htm 22:52:15 "some returns the first non-nil value which is returned by an invocation of predicate. " 22:52:58 oh. generalized boolean 22:53:03 -!- vindimy is now known as _vindimy 22:53:09 which in this case is the output of position, i.e., an integer 22:54:07 true. sbcl doesn't seem to catch that there has to be a match (i don't see how it could) and mentions that it could be NIL 22:55:09 you could wrap that in a (the fixnum ....) 22:55:25 yeah, tried that, but probably put it in the wrong place 22:55:33 around the some 22:55:58 Hmm, just tried (the (integer 0) ....) there, got the same messages. 22:56:34 -!- BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:56:36 same with fixnum 22:59:30 you could shorten that to a (some (lambda (x) (getf arglist x)) *defmfun-llk*) 22:59:43 which would get around the need to haggle with offsets 23:00:49 does getf give me the rest of the list? 23:00:59 yep 23:01:15 iirc. but i tend to get stuff wrong today 23:01:32 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 23:01:33 i think i meant (cdr (assoc ...)) 23:01:35 hmm, I thought it was just the next entry 23:01:45 hmm. i think i should sleep 23:02:11 sorry if i added confusion 23:02:20 <_vindimy> :'( 23:02:26 well, regardless, your getf form gets the same warning from SBCL 23:03:11 -!- kib2 [n=kib2@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. 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