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anyway 05:35:57 i got it working on nt4.0 with 3d acceleartion :) 05:36:01 dev kit and everything 05:36:21 <_3b> it is stlil theoretically under development 05:36:25 heh yeah 05:36:34 i should release this as a torrent 05:37:25 dialogs have a few glitches 05:37:27 neato 05:39:13 -!- rme [n=rme@pool-70-104-115-47.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 05:50:35 JJohnson [n=Miranda@128.163.236.234] has joined #lisp 05:50:37 -!- JJohnson [n=Miranda@128.163.236.234] has quit [] 05:54:19 holycow, might be worth searching the irc archives. Something was mentioned during the past few days in relation to clim, opengl and stuff. I'm sure Mirai was mentioned in there. 05:57:58 intersting 05:58:00 danke 06:03:00 oooo ... mirai uses allegro cl enterprise 5.0.1 06:05:42 interestink 06:07:53 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 06:08:26 -!- manic12 [n=manic12@c-76-29-88-103.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:09:17 oh you can do interrup lisp in this ... whatever that is. looks like it gives us repl 06:12:40 haxored! 06:12:44 alinp [n=alinp@86.122.9.2] has joined #lisp 06:13:47 hefner, you have been? 06:16:47 Dynetrekk [n=Dynetrek@dhcp-49111.phys.ntnu.no] has joined #lisp 06:16:56 kleppari_ [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 06:16:57 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:21:52 MrSpec [n=NoOne@82.177.125.6] has joined #lisp 06:21:56 -!- Dynetrekk [n=Dynetrek@dhcp-49111.phys.ntnu.no] has left #lisp 06:22:30 Hello 06:25:26 mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4599.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #lisp 06:27:10 Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 06:33:38 mvilleneuve [n=mvillene@82.66.18.171] has joined #lisp 06:38:31 -!- keithr [n=keithr@ip68-13-249-183.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:39:21 Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 06:45:45 _zenon_ [n=x@dhcp-192-68.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #lisp 06:47:24 -!- kleppari_ [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:47:29 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 06:55:42 sadsadasd [n=asdasd@ppp206-239.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 06:56:03 abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 06:56:30 mooto [n=chatzill@202.114.113.2] has joined #lisp 06:56:37 good morning 06:57:11 -!- mooto [n=chatzill@202.114.113.2] has quit [Client Quit] 06:59:46 <_zenon_> goood morn' 06:59:53 <_zenon_> A truly wonderful morning 07:01:13 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Client Quit] 13:36:23 ccl-logbot [n=ccl-logb@master.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:24 13:36:24 -!- names: ccl-logbot ignas durka42 ikki ejs1 chessguy_work deliana dlowe1 crod isomer sellout sepult ThomasIl manic12 Jasko2 The-Kenny tritchey existentialmonk silenius deat a-s` Taggnostr2 stepnem Nshag e271 xan Krystof mejja HET2 dkcl jgracin mathrick jewel dfox hkBst Fufie Tristam jdz addled gzip4 elias` ilitirit_ fiveop dwave matley tombom daniel_ sysfault LostMonarch Athas gemelen edon cracki thehcdreamer joachifm keithr manuel_ blandest Soulman 13:36:24 -!- names: authentic aerique pierre_thierry s0ber Aankhen`` kleppari mvilleneuve mega1 weirdo BrianRice H4ns ceineke_ fisxoj holycow ia jlf` kidd2 wentbackward Faed ace4016 dialtone slyrus_ eno Tordek mogunus mgr mattrepl metasyntax egosh262 plan9 dmiles_afk jyujin bobf_ davatk jrockway benny S11001001 Ppjet6 rread joast matimago Patzy kpreid jmbr dostoyevsky pitui birdsbite Necromas Guest31752 segv JuanDaugherty sphex borism pkhuong dto hyperboreean 13:36:24 -!- names: alexbobp kiuma Qsource xinming Dazhbog blast_hardcheese bdowning wlr vy myrkraverk` rlonstein vsync sanguinev cddr maskd Thas cods robewald rodge aking clog p8m kmkaplan nicktastic DrForr ianmcorvidae hefner mornfall scode froog sjbach specbot jsnell rumbleca kejsaren poolio bittin- dlowe nooper rstandy mtd konr cipher msingh jso kuhzoo beach rdd Dave2 SportChick pchrist yango doxtor cYmen araujo froydnj quamaretto moesenle ivan4th tttsssttt 13:36:24 -!- names: zbigniew albino guaqua kooll rsynnott eirik repnop wormilwork jfactor hugod_ p_l free_thinker proq madnificent nasloc__ creddy thelaptop|cc emma sbahra jeremiah cavelife^ ``Erik _death Phoodus Buganini spacebat_ Borbus prip bfein djkthx ryepup1 saikat REPLeffect lemoinem phadthai Quadrescence joshe kreuter pjb mikezor maxote nullman` peddie krappie johs Aisling bkudria xristos _CitizenKane_ @antifuchs tltstc tic felipe olejorgenb mooglenorph 13:36:24 -!- names: Cel _dima kuwabara frontiers jlf sykopomp Martinp23 guenther__ TDT fnordus wgl meingbg dcrawford thijso Xof azuk easch Bucciarati pok pragma_ michaelw kg4qxk ineiros koning_robot Soulman__ kefka luis vcgomes Zhivago _3b ampleyfly tarbo Draggor qebab frodef foom lisppaste minion a-s AntiSpamMeta z0d joga Adrinael flazz l_a_m cmatei djinni` Riastradh billstclair lichtblau lnostdal srcerer plutonas @drewc dan_b yahooooo deepfire slyrus rotty 13:36:24 -!- names: fgtech anekos cmm jho rlpowell chii Ginei_Morioka bob_f herbieB spiaggia housel 13:41:21 The-Kenny pasted "Macros, special variables and compile-file" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/77968 13:41:22 HG` [n=wells@82-35-66-18.cable.ubr01.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:41:28 Hello. Can anyone help me with my paste? I wrote what goes wrong in it. 13:42:39 (It says *bla* is unbound) 13:43:12 you should familiarize yourself with the semantics of file compilation (chapter 3). 13:43:22 in short, compiling a form is different from evaluating it. 13:44:11 so the DEFVAR won't get evaluated during COMPILE-FILE, DEF-SOMETHING will get expanded, and the expansion wants to mutate *BLA*. 13:44:23 however, that's not your only problem 13:44:30 -!- segv [n=mb@p4FC1D4F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:45:02 kreuter: What are the other problems? 13:46:01 the PUSH in the macro only gets run during macroexpansion. so even loading a compiled file into a fresh Lisp instance won't have the same effect as loading that source file. 13:46:16 s/even// 13:47:14 kreuter: Okay.. I also tried the PUSH in the PROGN-part. So that it will get expanded. But that gave me the same error. 13:47:26 it's permissible, sometimes even useful, for a macro to have compile-time side-effects (e.g., on a compiler), but it's sorta an unusual thing to do. 13:47:32 right 13:48:17 the first problem is whether you want *BLA* to be defined in the compile-time environment. 13:48:25 the second problem is deciding when to PUSH onto it 13:49:25 -!- isomer [n=isomer@modemcable219.159-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 13:49:46 (btw, when I said "chapter 3" above, I meant "chapter 3 of the CLHS".) 13:50:21 mrguser [i=entropie@116.59.252.154] has joined #lisp 13:50:52 I want to push something to *bla* every time my macro is used. For example if I would want the macro to define a new file-type, I would want to push a CONS to *BLA* every time a new filetype is defined and use the values later on run-time. 13:51:27 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 13:52:29 there's two senses in which a macro "is used": there's execution of the macro-function (i.e., the macroexpansion step), and there's the execution of the result of macroexpansion. 13:52:46 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 13:53:10 sbcl xc: :EFFECTS (VOP-ATTRIBUTES . #2#) :AFFECTED (VOP-ATTRIBUTES . #2#) 13:53:23 clisp xc: :EFFECTS (VOP-ATTRIBUTES . #2#) :AFFECTED (VOP-ATTRIBUTES . #3#) 13:53:35 zowie. 13:53:56 those can't both be right. 13:54:28 -!- mrguser [i=entropie@116.59.252.154] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:54:40 well, they can in that their behaviour will be equivalent 13:54:47 #2 and #3 are both EQUAL to (ANY) 13:54:58 ah 13:55:04 but it does indicate that something odd is going on in the xc equality tester / dumper 13:55:18 *kreuter* returns to bleeding his eyeballs at fd-streams. 13:55:44 mrguser [i=entropie@116.59.252.154] has joined #lisp 13:56:28 -!- mrguser [i=entropie@116.59.252.154] has quit [Client Quit] 13:57:52 segv [n=mb@p4FC1D434.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:03 -!- tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has quit ["Leaving."] 13:58:26 -!- HG` [n=wells@82-35-66-18.cable.ubr01.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 13:58:59 kreuter: I did that recently myself. What are you after? 13:59:54 -!- msingh [n=user@203.171.123.8.static.rev.aanet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:00:26 just at the moment, the consequences of doing a read-byte after an unread-char on a bivalent stream. I've also got a set of changes for echo-streams. 14:01:29 Oh, so you are not rewriting it. Bummer. 14:01:42 hm 14:02:19 what were you looking at? 14:02:30 why rewrite streams in the implementation considering that we have fe[nl]ix to do it portably for us? 14:02:52 I tried to find all the places where things can go wrong in fd-streams. 14:02:56 mrguser [i=entropie@114.137.25.205] has joined #lisp 14:02:59 mega1: that way lies madness. 14:03:05 signals/threads 14:03:35 -!- dwave [n=ask@pat-tdc.opera.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:04:08 yes. I convinced myself that with the current buffer handling logic I won't ever be sure that it doesn't have bugs. 14:04:43 -!- mrguser is now known as gko106 14:06:23 lichtblau: at least for the moment, we need the implementation's streams to be able to load fe[nl]ix's work. :) 14:06:59 is fe[nl]ix the author of io-lib? 14:07:03 yeah 14:08:15 sepult_ [n=buggarag@87.78.123.168] has joined #lisp 14:09:39 dkcl` [n=user@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 14:10:02 myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 14:10:04 still, that's not an excuse for having a deadlock prone stream implementation 14:10:42 no, but it's an excuse for rewriting it :) 14:10:45 -!- sepult_ [n=buggarag@87.78.123.168] has quit [Client Quit] 14:10:56 -!- gko106 [i=entropie@114.137.25.205] has quit [] 14:12:47 I'd replace it with a simple thread unsafe implementation that has a single buffer and does not rely on select but I can't see how to support serve-event ... 14:13:48 yeah, serve-event is a handcuff. 14:15:22 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 14:15:57 -!- jgracin [n=jgracin@78-1-154-246.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:15:57 -!- crod [n=cmell@nttkyo036048.tkyo.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Success] 14:16:00 athos [n=philipp@92.250.250.68] has joined #lisp 14:16:26 -!- durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has quit [] 14:17:07 -!- dkcl [n=user@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:18:39 -!- Necromas [n=Necromas@mortensen-141-224-236-113.augsburg.edu] has left #lisp 14:19:55 -!- sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-72-165.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:19:58 -!- thehcdreamer [n=thehcdre@94.198.78.26] has quit [] 14:23:09 -!- myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:23:15 -!- jlf` [n=user@netblock-68-183-235-250.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:24:48 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has quit [] 14:24:53 dkcl`` [n=user@15.66.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:25:20 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:40 fiveop_ [n=fiveop@217.230.205.246] has joined #lisp 14:25:43 Since reading this http://fresh.homeunix.net/~luke/misc/lisp/serve-event-tricky.pdf I see serve-event as fundamentally broken. 14:25:45 durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 14:25:46 myrkraverk [n=johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 14:26:18 it's not fundamentally broken, I think. but it does lend itself to being horribly misused 14:26:23 -!- cracki [n=cracki@46-051.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit ["The funniest things in my life are truth and absurdity."] 14:26:34 -!- durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 14:26:43 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-078-043-184-124.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 14:26:48 wchogg [n=wchogg@216.165.144.151] has joined #lisp 14:26:49 -!- Faed is now known as Fade 14:26:57 I think if it prevented blocking reads from a handler that would make it much less of a vehicle for pedal target practice 14:27:22 The root of the problem is that the event loop must be in the users control. 14:27:23 -!- myrkraverk` [n=johann@157-157-81-133.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:27:48 another approach would be to define handlers as associated with certain, hm, layers. if you're inside a handler from layer A and serve-event then you can get layer B activity (eg debugger) but no handler from layer A will get invoked 14:27:52 something like that 14:28:04 -!- xan is now known as xan-afk 14:28:32 the problems arise when you've got an untrusted-to-be-sufficiently-prompt source that you end up waiting for *inside* something else 14:28:46 so you want to effectively inhibit/remove such handlers for that period 14:28:55 hence, disallow blocking reads 14:29:12 Even without waiting, being invoked inside another handler is wrong. 14:29:20 yeah, that's a wonderful solution. unfortunately you'd have to throw out CL streams to accomplish that :) 14:29:38 well, you'd have to disallow calling cl stream functions inside a handler 14:29:51 but is that really such a bad thing when you can't use them anyuway? 14:30:53 How do you handle conditions with the effectively random nesting of handlers? 14:31:49 that's what I'm saying, don't let handlers nest. serve-event should bail in some way when called from within itself 14:32:20 oudeis [n=oudeis@80.250.159.240] has joined #lisp 14:32:41 hm. serve-all-events could throw out to something that invoked the next handler, right? 14:32:57 why do we need serve-event anyway? 14:33:28 pkhuong: I guess because on unithread builds there is no better way to do stuff. 14:33:36 pkhuong: I think it gives us something to grouse about. 14:33:41 I think it may also be faster than threads 14:33:52 (slime, web servers, etc) 14:34:35 -!- hugod_ [n=hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633728.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 14:34:36 if you have lots of sockets open, how do you efficiently wait for input on any of them without using one thread/socket? 14:35:02 sure, some people will definitely want some sort of wrapper around select/epoll/... But why does it have to be in the implementation and its streams? 14:35:49 pkhuong: that's what I referred by saying that "The root of the problem is that the event loop must be in the users control." 14:35:57 *referred to 14:36:21 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 14:36:45 mega1: right. Hence my question. I've been trying to understand the reason for a while now, but then again I don't play in that area. 14:37:12 that is, the slime calls the event loop and dispatches to vanilla streams that just read() and write() 14:38:35 agreed. So, why serve-event? Is it only history? 14:38:51 basically 14:39:11 serve-event offers composable even-loops 14:39:24 you can run a web server in slime. 14:39:30 -!- Fufie [n=poff@80.203.160.34] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:39:49 does cl-unification do backtracking? 14:40:01 jewel: no, only first-order unification. 14:40:02 But I think it's only an illusion, it doesn't really work. 14:41:22 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6EBE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 14:41:58 -!- jdz [n=jdz@85.254.211.133] has quit ["Somebody booted me"] 14:42:52 Does anyone use that capability? (iow does anyone still user serve-event directly except slime and half-dead libraries) Can that be achieved without hooking directly in the stream implementation? We're already mandating the event-loop interface with serve-event; seems to me another external implementation could do just the same (without modifying the streams). 14:42:59 chris2 [n=chris@p5B16A478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 14:43:37 -!- dkcl` [n=user@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:43:44 sepult [n=buggarag@xdsl-87-78-123-168.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:43:58 -!- saikat [n=saikat@adsl-99-33-30-8.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 14:44:10 c|mell [n=cmell@nttkyo036048.tkyo.nt.ngn.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:45:33 another event multiplexer no in sbcl? 14:45:36 *not 14:46:30 I don't know about another, but none in sbcl? 14:47:44 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has quit [] 14:49:15 provided that the multiplexer can determine whether a stream op would block or not, whether it's internal or external is unimportant. 14:49:20 sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 14:49:53 -!- dkcl`` is now known as dkcl 14:50:06 hmm, maybe that's the point: with fd-streams being buffered that's not easy to tell. 14:51:19 newlisper [n=wschroed@128.252.233.244] has joined #lisp 14:53:24 -!- chessguy_work [n=chessguy@67-130-43-2.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:55:00 I think I'm down to 12 differing files _total_ 14:55:56 and I have forward ported nyef's bias EBP by 8 bytes patch 14:56:19 which should allow some experimentation with callee allocated frames. 14:56:20 and we're still complaining about streams, I see 14:56:36 mega1: that'd give us the regular arrangement for stack frames? 14:57:02 Krystof: right, slash'em burn'em. 14:57:10 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-185-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 14:57:28 what happened to fun!? 14:57:29 yes, it looks as if "call; push ebp; mov ebp, esp; sub esp, 4" had been done 14:58:21 *Krystof* observes that maphash use is prevalent all over genesis... 14:58:45 ... if that turns out to be the proximate cause of clisp-xc breakage I shall be cross 14:58:59 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@80.250.159.240] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:01:20 oudeis [n=oudeis@77.124.71.204] has joined #lisp 15:01:33 -!- vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:02:07 -!- davatk [n=user@96.241.75.158] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:03:19 do you include aborted degrees in your resume? 15:04:31 Only if you think they'll help you :) 15:04:55 Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483EFFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:05:25 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@ip68-100-82-124.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [] 15:07:19 what Zhivago says 15:07:59 (I don't really understand why there is such a thing as "a resume": I don't think I've sent the same one twice; each time it's tailored to the position I'm applying for) 15:08:55 gonzojive [n=red@128.12.64.26] has joined #lisp 15:09:08 Scholarship application forms seem fairly similar so far. 15:09:13 nis [n=nicolas@88-121-114-5.rev.libertysurf.net] 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uh, say, that can generate PDF, too. 17:02:15 -!- snippyhollow [n=snippyho@tkbn103153.catv.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has left #lisp 17:02:23 Like Beamer? 17:02:25 Assuming you don't want beamer, I'm not sure. I hear Apple's thing is good for quick and simple stuff. 17:02:37 kpreid [n=kpreid@209-217-212-34.northland.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:14 I'm not sure I don't want beamer; I've not done slides in mumble years, so don't know what's out there. 17:03:34 kreuter: Most people I know use Beamer these days. 17:04:16 same here. You get ok looking output easily and you can work some more to get good looking slides just like you want them. 17:04:27 isomer [n=isomer@modemcable219.159-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 17:04:33 thanks. I'll investigate. 17:05:34 -!- isomer [n=isomer@modemcable219.159-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 17:06:51 -!- a-s` [n=user@85.9.55.98] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:07:41 ziarkaen [n=ziarkaen@88-108-126-11.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #lisp 17:09:13 web browsers in full screen mode also make for nice presentation software. TeX may be cooler than HTML, but sometimes I find it easier to get things done in HTML. 17:09:20 *lichtblau* always enjoys watching people working with ordinary transparencies (Cracauer at ECLM) or sheets of paper (Sussman at ILC) 17:11:41 -!- existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:11:43 Sussman's stuff is always a hoot. 17:12:01 existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:21 -!- chessguy_work [n=chessguy@67-130-43-2.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:16:29 vy [n=user@88.227.51.34] has joined #lisp 17:16:56 dialtone_ [n=dialtone@adsl-99-136-101-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:17:08 -!- dialtone [n=dialtone@adsl-67-125-22-221.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:17:13 -!- dialtone_ is now known as dialtone 17:18:03 diog3n3s [n=diog3n3s@97-118-156-192.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:31 -!- bobf_ is now known as bobf 17:21:31 I think it's perfect to prepare a presentation, then not use the slides at all. Just talk. Unfortunately over the years I think I've been paid more to prepare crappy ppt's than functional software. 17:23:41 *beach* gave up slides for teaching a while ago. 17:24:02 For programming courses, I come in with my compute, fire up SLIME and type away. 17:24:57 Agree there, I'm a bit tuftonian about slides an' all. 17:25:16 I hate trying to make powerpoint presentations and such 17:25:22 demos 17:27:41 kreuter: is a positive or negative thing to be a hoot? 17:27:45 isomer [n=isomer@modemcable219.159-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 17:28:04 lichtblau: positive. "hoot" basically means "laugh". 17:28:21 Yeah, like "stitch". 17:28:26 Is there some way to define a macro inside a macro? I'm having trouble with using a backquote inside an already backquoted expression. For some reason ,,expr is being evaluated - but one , still remains. 17:29:07 You usually want ,', 17:29:41 or use functions to return the 'data' (code). It's easier to read. 17:29:45 cl [n=charli@p54B16F77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:47 so, the main reason I want to construct slides is because I want to figure out how much I have to say. 17:30:44 beach: Thanks alot, works like a charm. 17:30:48 kreuter, the best presentations I've given were prepared on a single piece of paper, in about 1/2 hr and were essentially bullet points 17:30:56 -!- holycow [n=bite@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:31:16 wentbackward: Sounds interesting, any pointers to function names/tutorials/etc? 17:31:58 -!- diog3n3s [n=diog3n3s@97-118-156-192.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:32:04 or are you really only refering to using functions instead of macros? 17:32:27 -!- cl [n=charli@p54B16F77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:32:33 wentbackward: I've seen really fantastic presentations that involved slideware. 17:32:39 Davidbrcz [n=david@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #lisp 17:32:43 (though only a few) 17:33:17 thomas_, For instance I have macros to simplify building classes, building of each is slot is subsequently a defun that returns a list, which is code! 17:33:49 -!- existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:34:32 pstickne_ [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:17 wentbackward: Ah ok, yeah I use that too. I thought there was some completely different approach to do it. 17:35:34 existentialmonk [n=carcdr@64-252-67-89.adsl.snet.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:12 No, sorry. But just to say that when I start double backquoting I look for way of breaking up the macro (I'm not so smart, need simple!) 17:36:34 Heh, true I guess :) 17:36:37 sykopomp|work [n=user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 17:38:55 -!- wentbackward is now known as wentbackward|zzz 17:39:13 abeaumont [n=abeaumon@84.76.48.250] has joined #lisp 17:40:09 How can I create a symbol out of a string to be used as a name for a macro? make-symbol creates symbols which have #|symbol-name| as syntax. Is there some way to get rid of the # and |? 17:41:08 did you try interning a string? 17:41:14 thomas_: Use intern, and don't forget to uppercase the string. 17:41:28 intern gives me the same, but without the leading | 17:41:43 ah, but I didn't uppercase it, so maybe that's the issue 17:41:48 *thomas_* tries 17:44:21 Ah, beautiful. 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18:23:37 what's the ratio? 18:24:19 -!- volvo [n=wobuss@p57B75AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 18:24:23 -!- chris2 [n=chris@p5B16A478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:24:49 Well, I'm not even close to finishing, but I'd estimate >=1:5 (thus far untested) 18:25:01 but a miserable job is better than nothing; so miserable job is better than translating 700 lines of CL into C89. 18:26:25 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@krlh-4d036db5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 18:26:32 some weblocks user here to help me get at the Slime debugger instead of the web error page when debugging? 18:26:59 booyaa [n=booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:47 I am more than delighted to share with you all a snippet of the C code -> http://rafb.net/p/4wcK8M31.html 18:28:06 yikes 18:28:49 why do you say (nil) in the first else clause? 18:29:27 Because I don't want to generate a "JUMP" instruction. 18:29:55 And, AFAIK, leaving off the else clause is non-standard. 18:31:32 that is awful. 18:32:29 hefner: If you think that's awful... 18:32:36 18:35:03 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:35:08 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 18:38:10 Anyone want to take over writing this? :D 18:41:35 -!- ignas [n=ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit ["Download xchat-gnome: apt-get install xchat-gnome"] 18:42:23 -!- grishavan is now known as grishavan|away 18:44:46 manuel_ [n=manuel@krlh-4d036db5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:58 -!- xan-afk is now known as xan 18:46:32 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@krlh-4d036db5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:49:35 it's the c lisp interpreter? 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why? 19:20:40 thomas_ [n=thomas@40-185.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:23:07 Quadrescence: perhaps you could get somewhere by running the CL code through ECL 19:23:20 Fade: I was thinking about that. 19:23:30 (haven't rejected the idea) 19:23:39 it looks like you're gnerating a lot of boilerplate. 19:23:57 (a lot)*1000 19:24:09 -!- vy [n=user@88.227.51.34] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:24:11 i'm told that ECL's output isn't exactly idiomatic.. but it generally compiles. 19:24:41 I'll give it a try in a moment. 19:25:08 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:25:58 that slide of s->v.c.cdr... is hilarious. ;) 19:26:52 Fade: #define fourth(x) car(cdr(cdr(cdr(x)))) 19:27:02 buh 19:28:00 ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has joined #lisp 19:28:18 -!- Aankhen`` [n=heysquid@122.162.161.55] has quit ["I wish the fully interactive world I lived in was populated by people who react intelligently to their surroundings and si] 19:31:37 beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-21-114.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:34:34 -!- flazz [n=franco@qubes.org] has left #lisp 19:35:12 -!- BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:35:30 beach`` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-35-17.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:36:26 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:37:10 mathrick [n=mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:38:38 beach``` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-71-16.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:43:42 HG` [n=wells@82-35-66-18.cable.ubr01.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:44:55 -!- deat [n=deat@fac34-8-88-172-174-215.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:45:08 deat [n=deat@fac34-8-88-172-174-215.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:45:25 fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-51-21.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 19:45:52 TTTH [n=deat@fac34-8-88-172-174-215.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:47:14 -!- josemanuel [n=josemanu@38.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit ["Saliendo"] 19:48:47 -!- beach [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-111-154.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:49:44 -!- sykopomp|work [n=user@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:50:52 BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:44 -!- beach` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-21-114.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:52:04 -!- pstickne_ [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:54:16 -!- lhz [n=shrekz@c-b9aa72d5.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:54:48 manuel_ [n=manuel@krlh-4d036db5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:50 -!- beach`` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-35-17.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:58:08 -!- sadsadasd [n=asdasd@ppp206-239.adsl.forthnet.gr] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:58:19 Odin- [n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is] has joined #lisp 19:59:03 -!- jewel [n=jewel@dsl-247-201-204.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:59:09 how do I commit with darcs? 19:59:33 darcs record 19:59:42 -!- ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:01:23 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@217.230.205.246] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:01:29 did that 20:01:40 now I want to push back to the main repo, but, it won't let me 20:01:52 -!- Jabberwockey [n=Tumnus_@port-1084.pppoe.wtnet.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:02:31 fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:55 ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.109] has joined #lisp 20:04:12 -!- deat [n=deat@fac34-8-88-172-174-215.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [No route to host] 20:05:45 benny` [n=benny@i577A261B.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 20:07:10 -!- LostMonarch [n=roby@host209-120-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["raise RuntimeError"] 20:07:12 -!- HG` [n=wells@82-35-66-18.cable.ubr01.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:40 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:09:47 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 20:09:47 schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 20:09:54 -!- schoppenhauer [n=schoppen@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:15:14 i've got SLIME setup (again) and my modeline in emacs reads (Lisp ElDoc Slime) when i open a .lisp file. should ElDoc not be in there? 20:15:40 it should 20:16:36 jlf` [n=user@209.204.171.109] has joined #lisp 20:19:38 fisxoj: was the original repo an http repo? 20:19:48 drewc: yes 20:21:12 -!- benny [n=benny@i577A1BC1.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:21:36 schoppenhauer [n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 20:21:48 fisxoj: and now you want to push to it? 20:21:54 yes 20:22:05 fisxoj: how do you expect that to work? :) 20:22:18 tcr [n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 20:22:19 drewc: I don't know how darcs works... I've really only used svn 20:22:34 so, I expect to be able to commit to a repo I pulled 20:22:41 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-24-21-76-57.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:43 fisxoj: do you know how http works? 20:22:59 yes, but, something running http could still accept changes 20:23:18 fisxoj: SVN over HTTP is frequently read-only. 20:23:20 -!- postamar [n=postamar@x-132-204-243-125.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has left #lisp 20:23:34 regardless.. how do I commit changes to darcs? 20:23:55 -!- Jasko2 [n=tjasko@209.74.44.225] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:23:56 fisxoj: you commit to a writable repository.. i usually use ssh 20:24:06 fisxoj, you could log into the machine where the "main" repo is .. then pull your changes "toward it" .. 20:24:14 oh 20:24:21 fisxoj: And if you don't have write access, you can `darcs send` it. 20:24:22 pull toward? isn't that push? :-) 20:24:25 that sounds like something I'm going to have to figure out 20:24:29 I do have write access 20:25:42 tic: nah, it's pull towards .. the exact opposite! :) 20:26:00 tic, half-empty or half-full? .. hehe 20:26:47 -!- quamaretto [n=millij@70.228.181.124] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:27:00 quamaretto [n=millij@70.228.181.124] has joined #lisp 20:27:27 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@krlh-4d036db5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 20:28:19 manuel_ [n=manuel@krlh-4d036db5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:03 -!- REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:31:02 -!- srcerer [n=chatzill@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:31:26 -!- durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has quit [] 20:32:54 drewc, meh1 20:33:03 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@krlh-4d036db5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:33:11 srcerer [n=chatzill@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 20:33:39 -!- ost [n=user@217.66.22.68] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 20:34:42 -!- HET2 [n=diman@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:35:06 anyone know a way to make the current hunchentoot emit backtraces to the browser? 20:37:04 REPLeffect [n=REPLeffe@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 20:39:43 -!- sellout [n=greg@63.107.91.105] has quit [] 20:40:04 Jasko [n=tjasko@c-98-235-105-148.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:31 -!- grishavan is now known as grishavan|away 20:42:18 drewc, but *you* are not pulling towards, it's the repository that can pull your changes towards it... But it's not what happens. 20:42:38 Beket [n=stathis@adsl-248-034.diodos.auth.gr] has joined #lisp 20:44:48 jlf: debugging webapps isn't isn't all too fun 20:44:55 beach```` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-32-232.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:53:27 -!- thomas_ [n=thomas@40-185.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:54:03 snobbi [n=user@ip-78-94-5-38.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 20:54:15 -!- snobbi [n=user@ip-78-94-5-38.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:57:07 -!- gemelen [n=shelta@92.101.140.47] has quit [Client Quit] 20:58:07 wlr_ [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:05 -!- grishavan|away is now known as grishavan 21:01:17 __ed [i=bitch@slaps.me] has joined #lisp 21:01:46 <__ed> KIKOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TTTH !!!!!!! :o))))))))))) 21:01:51 -!- __ed [i=bitch@slaps.me] has left #lisp 21:01:51 -!- beach``` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-71-16.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:08:08 HET2 [n=diman@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp 21:08:17 -!- HET2 [n=diman@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:08:53 HET2 [n=diman@xover.htu.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #lisp 21:09:11 Krystof [n=csr21@84-51-132-95.christ977.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:11:40 anyone else use common-lisp.net? I 21:11:44 can't get svn working 21:11:54 or darcs 21:12:20 -!- kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:12:25 kleppari [n=spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 21:12:28 hugod [n=hugod@bas1-montreal50-1279633728.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 21:12:31 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:15:49 nevermind... 21:16:16 -!- Riastradh [n=rias@pool-141-154-233-226.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:19:52 Riastradh [n=rias@pool-141-154-245-43.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:44 -!- mega1 [n=mega@4d6f4599.adsl.enternet.hu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:23:52 -!- quamaretto [n=millij@70.228.181.124] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:26:29 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-1-228.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:27:02 madnificent: especially without backtraces 21:27:16 -!- ziarkaen [n=ziarkaen@88-108-126-11.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:28:02 is there a proper way to check whether a stream is bivalent in SBCL? 21:28:16 -!- slyrus_ [n=slyrus@dsl092-019-253.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:28:28 durka42 [n=durka@d81.wireless.swarthmore.edu] has joined #lisp 21:29:37 Isn't this a point of one thread per request? If a request results in a debugger invocation, first some error page is sent to the user's browser, but the thread (being in the debugger) keeps alive so you can connect to the server, and take up the debugger 21:29:48 s/point of/point for/ 21:31:47 tcr: that sounds wonderful, but at the moment all i see is an error in the log file. 21:32:04 i already have a repl open to the image serving the pages. 21:32:23 tmh [n=thomas@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 21:32:41 Greetings! 21:33:09 -!- jmbr [n=jmbr@87.223.190.219] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:34:05 tritchey_ [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:52 -!- tombom [i=tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22.2"] 21:36:01 -!- LiamH [n=none@common-lisp.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 21:36:21 ekoban [n=endy@a82-93-238-4.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 21:36:41 yolovi [n=wobuss@p57B75AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:07 -!- fiveop [n=fiveop@pD9E6CDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["humhum"] 21:38:19 -!- ekoban [n=endy@a82-93-238-4.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #lisp 21:38:37 -!- fjs [n=chatzill@ppp-93-104-51-21.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:39:28 tritchey__ [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:33 md` [n=user@85-135-225-78.adsl.slovanet.sk] has joined #lisp 21:40:18 -!- tritchey_ [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:40:21 Hi, is it ok for non-SBCL developers to post bugs with launchpad? 21:40:42 or should it better go to sbcl-devel (or sbcl-bugs?) first? 21:40:58 -!- beach```` [n=user@ABordeaux-158-1-32-232.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:41:15 -!- tritchey__ [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:43:24 atm, posting to -devel means reaching the widest audience. I think you should post it there, possibly asking whether to add it to the bug tracker. 21:43:41 ok then, I will post there 21:43:44 thanks 21:45:52 -!- yolovi [n=wobuss@p57B75AB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 21:46:13 H4ns1 [n=hans@p57A0B389.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:24 -!- Beket [n=stathis@adsl-248-034.diodos.auth.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:46:55 -!- froog [n=david@87.192.28.247] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:48:50 froog [n=david@87.192.28.247] has joined #lisp 21:50:16 kpreid [n=kpreid@216-171-189-59.northland.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:23 -!- tritchey [n=tritchey@c-68-58-88-241.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:54:30 -!- nis [n=nicolas@ABordeaux-258-1-82-86.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 21:55:15 -!- davazp [n=user@56.Red-79-153-148.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:56:42 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:09 -!- md` [n=user@85-135-225-78.adsl.slovanet.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:59:58 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-226-98.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 22:03:11 -!- H4ns [n=hans@p57A0CB6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:04:47 ejs [n=eugen@227-150-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:55 -!- newlisper [n=wschroed@128.252.233.244] has quit ["Leaving."] 22:08:24 -!- BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:08:38 BrianRice [n=water@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:28 -!- jlf` [n=user@209.204.171.109] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:10:57 -!- ejs [n=eugen@227-150-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:11:19 -!- tsuru [n=user@c-68-53-57-241.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:17:40 slash_ [n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de] has joined #lisp 22:17:49 -!- edon [n=edon@albalug/edon] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:18:56 -!- Fufie [n=innocent@86.80-203-225.nextgentel.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:21:41 nis [n=nicolas@ABordeaux-258-1-82-86.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:27:20 cads [n=max@adsl-211-189-127.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:29:13 -!- Adamant [n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant] has quit [] 22:32:18 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@77.124.71.204] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 22:36:46 ``Erik [i=erik@c-76-111-12-116.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:37:08 manuel_ [n=manuel@213.144.1.98] has joined #lisp 22:40:19 Adamant [n=Adamant@c-76-29-188-22.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:02 -!- kib2 [n=kib2@bd137-1-82-228-159-28.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. 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