00:02:26 _3b: Are there string literals in the AVM2 instructions (i.e., not indices to the constant pool)? 00:03:07 <_3b> don't think so 00:03:13 amos_ [n=amos_@cpc5-bolt9-0-0-cust762.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #lisp 00:04:38 -!- r2q2 [n=user@c-24-7-212-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:05:41 -!- rcy [n=rcy@S01060013102d91ee.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:05:52 syamajal_ [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:06:58 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:08:38 I'm renaming foo to bar, but then when I load the swf I'm getting a ReferenceError that Variable foo is not defined. But, foo is not longer anywhere in the string list. 00:10:30 <_3b> not something referenced in the .swf outside the abc part? 00:13:46 The var defines an asset that is imported via a Flex operation, so maybe it's in another tag. 00:13:53 Thanks, that helps. 00:16:44 -!- emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:17:20 -!- rtra [n=rtra@unaffiliated/rtra] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:18:29 crod [n=cmell@cb8a9b-091.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:20:04 -!- jestocost [n=cmell@cb8a69-071.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:20:13 how does the LICENSE file's copyright section work for you? is every sender of non-trivial diffs supposed to be added there? 00:25:19 kenyon_ [n=kenyon_@xdsl-81-173-187-121.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:26:00 -!- beach [n=user@203.210.248.212] has left #lisp 00:28:33 emma [n=emma@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 00:28:39 dash_ [n=dash@dslb-084-057-005-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:20 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 00:31:41 -!- dto [n=user@68-187-211-226.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:35:05 patmatch [n=wmbot@dsl093-216-036.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #lisp 00:37:36 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:15 costal [n=draven@shm67-2-82-227-190-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:05 -!- Yuuhi` [n=user@p5483F650.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 00:41:47 -!- dash__ [n=dash@dslb-084-057-017-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:42:29 -!- kenyon [n=kenyon_@xdsl-81-173-236-230.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:43:37 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:43:47 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:43:53 -!- mulander [n=user@nat-4.interq.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:45:06 -!- crod [n=cmell@cb8a9b-091.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:45:30 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 00:45:39 ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has joined #lisp 00:46:37 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 00:47:49 -!- Nshag [i=user@Mix-Orleans-106-3-152.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 00:50:33 carbocalm [i=carbocal@75-119-233-233.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 00:57:30 crod [n=cmell@cb8a9b-091.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:59:21 -!- pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:02:03 are there libraries for manipulating postscript files? 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02:23:27 mbac: So, essentially what you want is a PostScript interpreter or compiler written in Lisp? 02:24:18 davazp [n=user@158.Red-88-8-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 02:26:13 luis: I built ECL from CVS (with much difficulty), loaded it with SLIME, played around with some libraries I'd installed, decided to switch back to SBCL, at which point I get a "Lisp connection closed unexpectedly...". This is on OS X. 02:26:32 Hello beach. 02:26:42 elurin [n=user@85.99.194.140] has joined #lisp 02:26:53 *nyef* has occasionally considered building a postscript implementation in lisp. 02:27:28 It's just... never been a sufficient interest or priority to actually get scheduled for any hacking time. 02:27:45 ice_four: at what point do you get that? 02:27:59 As soon as I start emacs/slime 02:28:16 Hey nyef. Yeah that would be a nice thing to have. Especially if it were written so that PS compiled into CL and so that the CL API could be used independently of the PS surface syntax. 02:28:33 ice_four: what does the *inferior-lisp* buffer say? 02:28:38 I get a "Hack and be merry!" (which I am, as it is Winterfest), and then connection closed 02:28:50 -!- anekos is now known as awayekos 02:29:32 Don't even need to compile to CL to get the low-level API usable outside postscript. 02:29:35 luis: I don't seem to have an *inferior-lisp* buffer, may it be called something else? 02:29:35 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 02:30:04 nyef: right. I was thinking of a higher-level CL API. 02:30:20 luis: oh wait, I do (it wasn't showing up in the buffers menu for some reason) 02:30:27 Maybe something like ReportLab is for Python? 02:30:46 *beach* googles... 02:31:20 It's a typesetting library layered over PDF output primitives. 02:31:34 luis: (20 ("foreign function: thread_start")) is the last line before ;; Connection to Emacs lost 02:32:00 I guess the closest equivalent might be cl-typesetting, but I've never really messed with cl-typesetting. 02:32:01 luis: it's complaining that "The assertion SWANK::THREAD failed"? 02:32:03 luis: ever tried ido-mode ? 02:32:21 ice_four: scroll up and try to find the error, or paste the whole thing to lisppaste 02:32:53 nyef: yeah, I was going to say that we already have something like that. 02:33:16 -!- ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:33:34 nyef: it would still be good to be able to interpret PS files directly though. 02:33:49 Yeah, that'd be nice. Or render PDFs directly. 02:33:50 fe[nl]ix: I had seen a colleague using it but didn't know what it was called. Thanks for the ti. 02:34:03 nyef: Indeed. 02:35:03 luis, i'm trying to use a glut bindings i've had for some time but it hangs during compile on some type declarations 02:35:09 There's three parts to it, isn't there? The language interpreter, the font database, and the rasterizer? 02:35:11 xristos pasted "glut" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/72630 02:35:26 luis: enable it then try C-x C-f or C-x b 02:35:27 it used to work with old cl-opengl 02:35:40 any clues as to what the appropriate types are now? 02:35:48 fe[nl]ix: yeah, I just did. 02:35:54 *nyef* may have to look into this next year. 02:36:35 xristos: is this part of cl-glut? 02:36:38 no 02:36:41 different binding 02:36:55 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:37:05 doesnt compile because gl:enum gl:int and gl:double are not exported from cl-opengl 02:37:28 <_3b> xristos: might see if they are exported from %gl instead 02:37:29 it's probably %gl:* 02:37:50 nyef: if you look at page 5 and following pages of http://dept-info.labri.fr/~strandh/prescript.ps you will get an idea of what I had in mind for a high-level CL API. 02:38:01 it's in French, but you can read the example code. 02:38:25 nyef: at least those three parts yes. 02:38:45 nyef: next year is in a week :) 02:38:58 I did some PS mini-hacking the other day. Evince picked up the changes automatically, that was fun. 02:39:38 luis: as in writing directly in PS? That's always amusing. 02:39:43 beach: True, and I hope to have a prototype of that cross-process debugger working in that time frame. 02:40:05 (It's becoming more obviously needed.) 02:40:13 beach: yeah, with emacs. And upon saving the file, evince would reload it automatically so it was quite interactive. 02:40:19 nyef: I haven't heard about that one, but it sounds like a good thing to have. 02:40:43 I've been talking about it in here for ages. 02:40:53 Malatesa [n=Malatesa@c-67-182-109-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:12 nyef: I am sure you have. It's probably just my bad memory playing tricks on me again. 02:41:16 luis: http://paste.lisp.org/display/72632 02:41:43 I finally built the first part of what I'd need for implementing it recently, as a tool for investigating something else. 02:41:45 Is it possible to write an IRC client in Lisp? 02:41:54 Malatesa: it has been done. 02:42:04 Malatesa: We even have IRC bots in Lisp. 02:42:06 minion: tell Malatesa about beirc 02:42:07 Malatesa: please look at beirc: beirc is a CLIM IRC client Application using the cl-irc library as a backend, initially written by Gilbert Baumann, now maintained by Dave Murray and others. http://www.cliki.net/beirc 02:42:57 nyef: I assume the debugger is SBCL-specific? 02:43:27 Might not end up being so, actually. 02:43:27 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:43:38 -!- mattrepl_ [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:43:51 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:44:01 ice_four: can you paste your SLIME config as well? 02:44:03 Malatesa: Are you new here? 02:44:05 You'd need to write a new backend per target lisp system, but... 02:44:16 luis: two seconds 02:44:40 nyef: OK, so you have a well-defined low-level API for interacting with processes then? 02:44:43 Yeah I'm mostly new. Always loved Lisp...but could never code in it. But I have some time recently. Looking at the source of that irc client now... 02:44:44 <_3b> ice_four: anything in ~/.swank.lisp ? 02:44:49 beach: http://www.lisphacker.com/temp/article-drafts/object-memory-dumper.txt is the first part. It's more of an implementation sketch than anything else at this point, but... 02:44:58 Sure, it's called ptrace(2). :-P 02:45:31 nyef: are you talking about Unix processes here, or CL processes (as in threads)? 02:45:36 _3b: no 02:45:42 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:52 luis: you mean my .emacs or something else? 02:46:06 ice_four: your .emacs, yes. 02:46:54 Unix processes. 02:47:51 Lets the debugger help with bootstrapping problems with SBCL, for example. 02:48:35 I see. 02:48:55 Earlier today I helped someone figure out how to get from an entry point address to the name of a function in order to figure out where they were during cold init after the first GC. That sort of thing should be automatic. 02:49:24 And yeah, you can call the ldb backtrace function from gdb, or something similar, but it's not the same. 02:49:51 luis: http://paste.lisp.org/display/72633 02:50:02 u paste your SLIME config as well? 02:50:02 Malatesa: Are you new here? 02:50:02 You'd need to write a new backend per target lisp system, but... 02:50:02 luis: two seconds 02:50:02 nyef: OK, so you have a well-defined low-level API for interacting with processes then? 02:50:03 Yeah I'm mostly new. Always loved Lisp...but could never code in it. But I have some time recently. Looking at 02:50:06 the source of that irc client now... 02:50:08 ops 02:50:14 xristos: Mouseo? 02:50:18 yeh 02:50:27 Blame the cat? 02:50:32 blame me 02:51:03 nyef: Your memory dumper document reminds me that I think I figured out how to allow a Lisp system to manipulate raw memory data as well, making it possible to implement most low-level CL functions in terms of such raw-memory manipulation. 02:51:08 ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has joined #lisp 02:51:23 ice_four: hmm, what's in ~/clbuild/.swank-loader.lisp? 02:51:55 Malatesa: It uses CLIM (specifically McCLIM) for its GUI layer. 02:52:11 beach: Heh. There are actually a few VOPs in SBCL that I think -should- be done via SAP functions for raw memory manipulation, mostly because they'd be more portable that way. 02:52:45 luis: http://paste.lisp.org/display/72634 02:55:13 Anyway, I figure, take ptrace(2), this object-memory-dumper, build an address space object that operates in tems of /proc//mem, throw in breakpoints and backtraces, and that's enough to be dangerous. 02:56:06 -!- costal [n=draven@shm67-2-82-227-190-152.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["leaving"] 02:56:17 -Then-, since /proc//mem access would be a mixin, turn around and do it again for some other lisp, like ccl or ecl. 02:56:20 -!- patmatch [n=wmbot@dsl093-216-036.aus1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:56:41 ice_four: hmm, does your SBCL have threads enabled? 02:56:57 luis: Indeed it does 02:57:01 nyef: sounds like a plan. 02:57:30 do SBCL threads work properly on darwin/x86? 02:57:43 no 02:58:03 jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has joined #lisp 02:58:03 ice_four: I'd try to recompile SBCL without threads perhaps 02:59:50 luis: okay, I'll give it a try. Multi-threaded SBCL has been working fine for me, it was just my attempt to get ECL working that seems to have upset it. 03:00:05 *ice_four* tries to remember how to disable threads 03:00:46 ice_four: edit sbcl/customize-target-features.lisp 03:00:52 luis: cheers 03:01:14 ice_four: don't delete it, otherwise clbuild will create a new one 03:04:02 luis: that doesn't seem to have changed anything 03:04:37 wait 03:04:48 -!- netaust1n [n=austinsm@adsl-70-130-220-67.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit [] 03:05:08 don't forget to actually recompile :) 03:05:10 O_4 [n=souchan@125-236-190-161.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #lisp 03:05:14 :) 03:05:31 It would help 03:06:15 How do I recompile with clbuild? 03:06:28 (I'm really showing my ignorance :) ) 03:06:38 clbuild help 03:08:28 -!- CrEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:08:28 -!- whamied [n=waleed@c-24-30-73-140.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:08:47 blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:11:03 will changing sxhash break existing hash tables in the image? 03:11:03 CrEddy [n=CrazyEdd@220-253-60-178.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #lisp 03:11:46 nevermind. braino 03:12:52 -!- mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-187-226.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 03:12:54 Impressive one, too. It's fairly obvious that there are only a couple ways that changing sxhash wouldn't break existing hash tables. 03:13:53 mattrepl_ [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:13:54 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:14:13 i thought about getting some low-hanging fruit by making it more randomly distributed. not like i can presently design s-boxes, though 03:14:48 what i was basically asking was whether it's plugged in into :test #'equal 03:15:07 You're looking for low-hanging fruit in sbcl? 03:15:09 but it was a braino, as in i can define my own function by copy-pasting sxhash 03:15:11 yes 03:15:16 but i'm low-skilled, presently 03:15:32 Hrm. 03:16:31 Most of the stuff in the launchpad bug tracker is actually beyond me, at present. 03:16:58 -!- shmho [n=user@58.142.15.103] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:17:14 -!- daniel_ is now known as daniel 03:18:23 mrsolo [n=mrsolo@adsl-68-126-187-226.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 03:20:46 -!- O_4 [n=souchan@125-236-190-161.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [] 03:21:38 luis: recompiling seems to have fixed it, thanks 03:22:21 back to my little project 03:23:13 Does PLT Scheme offer compilers for Scheme and Lisp in general? Or are there some better compilers? 03:23:55 only interpreters 03:24:54 scheme native-code compilers are rather primitive, using c as an intermediary language 03:25:31 -!- ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:26:19 Not all schemes use C as intermediary. 03:26:57 Heooo: you might be better off asking in #scheme though. 03:27:00 T is a rather famous scheme which didn't, for example. 03:27:08 O_4 [n=souchan@125-236-190-161.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #lisp 03:27:52 But, yes, scheme compilers are more a topic for #scheme, unless you're implementing one in Common Lisp. 03:28:20 weirdo: How can I compile Scheme code then? 03:28:44 ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has joined #lisp 03:29:34 weirdo: ikarus doesn't seem to use C, am I right? 03:29:53 Heooo: using a Scheme compiler, but see what nyef said. 03:30:14 nyef: luis ok, thank you! 03:30:42 Heooo: if you plan to use CL, I'd recommend SBCL. 03:30:51 Heooo: you will get much more specific answers if you name your scheme compiler 03:31:18 Are most scheme compilers done in Lisp? 03:31:21 or C? 03:31:38 schemes have been done in every language 03:31:48 most compilers for any language are written in that language 03:32:26 -!- beach [n=user@203.210.248.212] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:32:33 beach [n=user@203.210.248.212] has joined #lisp 03:35:06 jsnell: Is Lisp then good for prototyping? I have heard that is fast to do lisp. 03:35:06 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:35:12 -!- jajcloz [n=jaj@pool-98-118-118-197.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:35:24 Heooo: Lisp is good for most things. 03:36:08 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:36:40 beach: What do I need to practise lisp? I have been practising Elisp in Emacs and Scheme in DrScheme. 03:36:53 minion: tell Heooo about pcl. 03:36:54 Heooo: please see pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 03:37:19 minion: please tell Heooo about sbcl. 03:37:20 Heooo: direct your attention towards sbcl: Steel Bank Common Lisp is an open source / free software Common Lisp implementation. http://www.cliki.net/sbcl 03:37:25 minion: please tell Heooo about slime. 03:37:26 Heooo: please look at slime: SLIME is the Superior Lisp Interaction Mode for Emacs. http://www.cliki.net/slime 03:38:41 -!- ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:39:47 ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has joined #lisp 03:41:21 -!- CrEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:43:47 -!- mattrepl_ [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:43:53 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:48:06 CrEddy [n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 03:49:05 stassats [n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 03:50:50 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:57:42 -!- jao [n=user@84.Red-83-33-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:57:49 -!- beach [n=user@203.210.248.212] has left #lisp 04:03:36 hmm. are interpreters compilers in a strict sense? 04:03:41 minion: please tell Heooo about Box. 04:03:42 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``Box''. 04:03:46 are compilers to javascript interpreters? :) 04:04:00 minion, lisp-in-a-box? 04:04:01 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``lisp-in-a-box''. 04:04:07 minion, lisp in a box? 04:04:08 lisp in a box: Self-contained Lisp IDEs for various OSes (soon): Lisp in a Box @ Common-Lisp.net Currently Windows (binary) and Linux (source) are supported. http://www.cliki.net/lisp%20in%20a%20box 04:04:24 wukui [n=chatzill@58.218.185.8] has joined #lisp 04:04:44 weirdo: anyway, your processor is an interpreter 04:05:25 Even non-microcoded processors are interpreters. 04:07:21 so, compiler can be considered as a tool for transforming from on representation to another in order to execute the latter on some interpreter 04:07:48 Yes. 04:08:32 With virtualization and other emulation techniques, this is even more apparent than before. 04:09:05 you could use the absence of any slowdown for nested interpretation/compilation as a criterion to discriminate between compilers and interpreters 04:10:03 any slowdown? 04:10:14 what about boxing and runtime type checking? 04:10:14 But how would that handle the case of a compiler that targets a slow emulator, or just a slow CPU in the first place? 04:10:21 *nested* 04:10:51 compilation of a compiler by itself? 04:10:54 Clearly I'm too tired to make sense of your argument. 04:11:03 if so, braino :-) 04:11:20 weirdo: Don't laugh. That's a standard bootstrapping technique. 04:11:25 so, if L is your implementation, is evaluation of a program P in L in L ... {n times} slower than P in L in L ... {n-1 times}? 04:11:27 i know. my braino 04:11:56 i thought the boxed representation would increase size linearly 04:11:57 :-) 04:12:17 If you have a compiler, you can bootstrap as many times as you want, it's the same thing. Not so much with an interpreter running in an interpreter etc. 04:12:42 yeah. now i get it, thanks :-) 04:13:03 Yeah, I'm too tired to try to poke holes in that with any seriousness. 04:13:39 (JIT compilers in the interpreters is one potential argument, though.) 04:13:42 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:13:54 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:14:32 nyef: the partial evaluation community uses something like that (applied to self-interpreters) as a design goal. 04:22:33 doesn't that still accumulate space? 04:23:57 weirdo: hey, the link for Lisp in a Box for Mac OS is for sale and does not work. 04:25:00 Is there some mirror site for these Lisp in the box things? 04:26:04 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 04:28:15 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 04:28:27 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-209-245.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit ["Valete!"] 04:29:12 no but you can always install sbcl, emacs and some libraries manually 04:29:38 the libraries can be copied from the linux version 04:30:14 dunno what else's inside LIAB. maybe some emacs modes? :) 04:30:47 Heooo: Have you looked at clbuild? 04:32:13 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-209-245.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 04:37:43 slime no longer shows me a function's argument list after typing said function and pressing space. Running slime-mode gives me that functionality again, but how do I get it to default to that behaviour? 04:38:44 -!- bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:38:50 ice_four: no so I need it to install these Lisp things 04:38:55 ? 04:39:15 is it a recent slime? something is broken in the recent slime 04:39:31 stassats: yeah, it's fresh 04:41:12 crod [n=cmell@cb8a6a-083.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:41:13 -!- jestocost [n=cmell@cb8a6a-153.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:43:56 mattrepl_ [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:43:56 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:49:47 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:53:57 hefner: no, (perfectly) partially evaluating an interpreter on a program is supposed to be the same as compiling. 04:54:03 -!- _8david [n=user@port-83-236-3-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:54:13 _8david [n=user@port-83-236-3-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 04:55:36 Heooo_ [n=Heooo@e212-246-70-123.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 04:57:07 pkhuong: nested JITing interpreters, I mean 04:57:14 (in response to nyef) 04:57:52 hefner: depends on how complex the JITC is, I suppose. 05:04:41 [ot] is it true that people with longer fingers are better at hard sciences and other logical stuff than short-fingered ones? 05:06:12 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 05:06:51 -!- wukui [n=chatzill@58.218.185.8] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]"] 05:10:32 -!- Heooo [n=Heooo@e212-246-70-123.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:12:35 -!- ice_four [n=ice_four@host86-131-244-48.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 05:13:17 Heooo [n=Heooo@e212-246-70-123.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 05:13:55 -!- mattrepl_ [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:13:56 mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:16:41 kpreid [n=kpreid@pool-72-68-56-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:20:12 seelenquell_ [n=seelenqu@pD9E459C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 05:20:26 -!- mattrepl [n=mattrepl@c-67-166-190-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] 05:21:10 Axioplase [n=Pied@watchdog.msi.co.jp] has joined #lisp 05:21:14 Hi 05:22:43 MSI, the ITA of .jp 05:22:45 (match-regexp "\d" "1d") returns T;"d". I believe that I should expect T;"1". Who's wrong? Allegro or Axioplase? 05:23:12 Axioplase: you are. 05:23:32 try "\\d" 05:23:56 same result with "\\d" 05:24:11 Axioplase: which regexp package are you using, ACL's or CL-PPCRE? 05:25:11 ACL's I guess. I did a (require :regexp2) 05:26:25 (and that loaded it flawlessly) 05:26:37 then try (match-re "\\d" "1d") 05:26:50 that worked 05:27:07 (The older module has functions compile-regexp, match-regexp, split-regexp, and replace-regexp.) 05:27:07 -!- manic12_ [n=manic12@c-98-227-126-106.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #lisp 05:27:30 Dammit That was right under my nose 05:27:41 stassats: thanks 05:28:46 -!- Heooo_ [n=Heooo@e212-246-70-123.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:30:04 syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:07 pstickne [n=pstickne@c-71-236-177-238.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:25 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 05:31:37 -!- Heooo [n=Heooo@e212-246-70-123.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #lisp 05:31:56 -!- crod [n=cmell@cb8a6a-083.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:33:54 -!- davazp [n=user@158.Red-88-8-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:36:46 -!- seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E43E5D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:39:38 -!- elurin [n=user@85.99.194.140] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:40:26 elurin [n=user@85.99.191.209] has joined #lisp 05:43:16 -!- Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [] 05:43:19 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@pool-72-68-56-91.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 05:43:21 lyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has joined #lisp 05:46:21 crod [n=cmell@cad4e7-176.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:51:34 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:52:19 hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has joined #lisp 05:52:25 is it possible to write functions that return macros? 05:53:36 <_3b> macros are functions, so probably... hard to say if it would be useful without knowing what you want to do though 05:55:48 <_3b> though i guess it is arguable if it is actually a macro if it is just a function value, and not actually bound to a symbol as a macro 05:59:14 (setf (macro-function 'foo) (lambda (x &optional env) (declare (ignore env)) (cdadr x))) so you can return that lambda from a function 05:59:26 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 06:04:13 Beket [n=Beket@athedsl-66525.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 06:06:52 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:08:29 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 06:09:55 bpt [n=bpt@cpe-071-070-209-067.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:13:06 rottcodd [n=user@ppp59-167-54-88.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:13:14 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 06:14:08 beach [n=user@203.210.248.212] has joined #lisp 06:14:13 Good afternoon. 06:17:06 hml: What would you do with the macro that was returned? 06:17:25 kpreid [n=kpreid@72-255-14-50.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 06:21:00 (define (create-logger func) (define-macro (log . cmds) ,(func (format #f ,@cmds))) log) 06:21:20 beach: I want something like that, where I have 'something' I pass it a function, and get a macro out of it 06:21:25 sounds like scheme 06:21:34 err, i'm using scheme but define-macro 06:21:38 which is lisp stype macros 06:21:53 so i'm bouncing between #scheme (dude, use syntax-rules, not def-macro!) and #lisp (dude, you're a schemer) 06:22:03 on christmas eve, can't schemers & lispers just help each other :-) 06:24:52 hml: I don't know what you mean by "something like that", but normally a function is called at runtime, so any result of such a function would not be expanded at macro-expansion time which happens before that. 06:25:30 beach: thanks, #scheme gave me the same response, and I buy this for a compiled lisp 06:25:43 is there any reason this wouldn't be able to work in a lisp interpreter? 06:25:46 hml: But if the function is called before macro-expansion time, you should be fine. 06:26:40 hml: it doesn't matter if it is an interpreter or a compiler 06:26:45 hml: (defun create-logger (fun) (defmacro log (&rest commands) ...)) 06:29:00 -!- mathrick [n=mathrick@195.116.35.13] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:29:56 hml: also, it is not just a matter of helping each other, but just writing non-working Scheme code is not going to be a good explanation as to what you want to do. 06:30:18 beach: agreed; my screwup 06:30:34 w/ no inntention of sarcasm, given that what I want to do appears not possible, how should I have phrased the question? 06:30:36 hml: For instance, does your Scheme code really RETURN a macro? And if so, what do you do with that return value. 06:31:12 I don't know if my scheme code does return a macro. I'm familiar with scheme. Macros are new to me. I thikn of them as "functions" + some magic. 06:31:27 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:31:35 if we treated define-macro as define ... then yes, it'd return a function; so I thought okay, maybe this returns a macro 06:31:49 hml: if macros are new to you, what makes you think that a macro is what you need? 06:31:50 I didn't test it (in my newbiness, I don't know how to test it -- is there a function /macro I can use to check if an arg is a macro?) 06:31:59 what do you want to accomplish with that? what is the original problem? 06:32:22 1) beach's question, 2) stassat's question 06:32:55 why I want to use a macro. I want (define-macro (log . cmds) ,(some-logging-procedure (format #f ,@(cmds))) 06:33:15 I need a macro to be able to say things like (log "~A~%" some_expr) instead of (log (format #f "~A~%" some_expr)) 06:33:24 stassats question: why I want 06:33:29 -!- Jasko [n=tjasko@pool-71-250-192-43.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:33:36 'something' to return a macro, is I want to be able use different values for somme-logging-procedure 06:33:47 envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has joined #lisp 06:34:02 (not every schemer tells you to use syntax-rules I hardly use it myself) 06:34:02 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:34:03 hml: why do you think doing (log "..." some_expr) requires a macro? 06:34:08 so I'd like something where I pass it a logging function (this function takes a single string and does some magic with it) and I get a define-macro logger out of it 06:34:28 now that you mention it, it doesn't 06:34:34 I can do this with a function and have it call format 06:34:49 there was a valid reason why I had to use a macro for my logger 06:34:51 it escapes me right now 06:35:41 suppose for a moment that there was a valid reason that I have to use a macro for my logging function 06:35:45 what is the correct way to solve problem 2? 06:35:56 hml: why not (define-macro (create-logger f) `(define-macro (log . cmds) `(,,f (format #f ,@cmds)) log)) ? 06:36:19 that is perfectly acceptable 06:36:33 functions are 'first class' in taht I can pass them as args & return them as values 06:36:45 (err, the lase "log" is not at the right place in the above code) 06:36:51 I was also curious if macros are 'first class' in the same way; or if they're an entirely different case 06:37:13 macro != runtime 06:37:15 macros do syntitactic transformations of the sourece code, why do you want to do them at runtime? 06:38:08 i'm a newb; it's a newb question, I'm trying to understand of what can / can't be done w/ macros 06:38:22 hey beach how's xmas in vietnam? 06:41:12 hml: you can be lazy when writing code. 06:42:30 (moreover, DEFINE-MACRO is a top-level procedure. Some schemes provide LET-MACRO) 06:44:35 hml: I do suggest two books for you. Practical CL that has a nice chapter on using macros, and Lisp In Small Pieces that will make your brain melt while enlightening your comprehension of Scheme/Lisp 06:44:56 Lisp in Small Pieces is about 10 feet away from me 06:44:58 in m y backpack 06:45:02 haven't read any of it yet 06:51:14 -!- gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-184-204-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:53:14 It's going to hurt you, but for good. 06:53:56 (I mean, it's not as easy to read as it seems) 06:54:16 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@ool-4356ce50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 06:55:06 -!- hsaliak [n=hsaliak@cm158.epsilon100.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:55:25 hsaliak [n=hsaliak@cm158.epsilon100.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 06:56:47 cadabra [n=cadabra@69.169.136.43.provo.static.broadweave.net] has joined #lisp 06:58:25 Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:01:16 holycow [n=rtaylor@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 07:07:39 -!- cadabra [n=cadabra@69.169.136.43.provo.static.broadweave.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:08:00 eno_ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-132-196.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:08:38 -!- hml [n=x@unaffiliated/hml] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:08:51 -!- eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:09:20 -!- Quadrescence [n=quad@c-71-193-68-220.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:21:15 -!- O_4 [n=souchan@125-236-190-161.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [] 07:30:41 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 07:31:57 -!- blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:34:12 Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.157.185] has joined #lisp 07:36:43 -!- phytovor is now known as doxtor 07:37:52 netaust1n [n=austinsm@adsl-70-130-232-62.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 07:41:09 -!- Beket [n=Beket@athedsl-66525.home.otenet.gr] has quit [] 07:42:47 Beket [n=stathis@athedsl-66525.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 07:48:02 -!- sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:51:07 arg. What's "redo" in emacs? 07:51:22 C-x u 07:51:34 cheers 07:51:34 C-_ 07:51:37 -!- wlr [n=walt@c-65-96-92-150.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:52:34 emacs has slightly different semantics of redo/undo 07:53:00 in emacs it is the same command 07:53:51 Axioplase: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Undo.html 07:59:52 mathrick [n=mathrick@195.116.35.13] has joined #lisp 08:04:35 aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:08:23 Quadrescence [n=quad@c-71-193-68-220.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:24:32 So, is it ? or -p for predicates? Looking at with-package-iterator. It likes ?. 08:26:38 i think examples in clhs are written by different people, not all of them are even conforming to the standard 08:27:01 Yeah, was my guess too. Just checking. 08:30:50 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:31:15 Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #lisp 08:33:19 neerolyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has joined #lisp 08:36:53 -!- Jarvellis [n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:40:02 ECL and/or Vim is acting weird. First time the FASL was compiled and loaded, I couldn't access symbols internal to the package. Next time I loaded it, i.e. with the FASL craeted, I could. 08:42:02 -!- neerolyte [n=lyte@unaffiliated/neerolyte] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:42:26 -!- ASau [n=user@193.138.70.52] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:43:22 H4ns [n=Hans@p57BBA3BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 08:43:29 good morning H4ns! 08:45:02 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:09 hey, fusss. 08:45:17 hey tic 08:45:43 i think i'm gonna go insane with just the crap i want to do 08:46:02 Which is? 08:46:32 a potential traffic of 300 million people only :-P 08:46:52 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 08:47:06 i spent the last 8 hours on alexa, and trolling credit card processing companies for info 08:47:20 nifty 08:51:33 cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:54:09 tic: what have you been upto? 08:56:03 fusss, futzing with Vim-ECL, but I should be packing my things for a trip :) 08:59:59 ejs [n=eugen@77-109-24-204.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 09:00:26 alright, sounds good 09:00:43 -!- H4ns1 [n=Hans@p57BBA53E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:03:50 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:05:53 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:09:46 Yeah, it's nice. Except I have too little time, heh. 09:10:51 (decf *sleep-time*) 09:11:03 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 09:14:40 -!- Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:15:14 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:15:15 fusss_ [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 09:15:17 -!- fusss_ is now known as fusss 09:18:12 -!- beach [n=user@203.210.248.212] has left #lisp 09:19:54 -!- cads [n=max@c-71-56-62-166.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 09:19:55 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77-109-24-204.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:26:39 lhz [n=shrekz@c-3143e455.021-158-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 09:26:56 -!- yango_ [n=yango@unaffiliated/yango] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:27:00 robyonrails [n=roby@host14-155-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:27:46 ejs [n=eugen@92.49.239.57] has joined #lisp 09:40:12 -!- ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:40:39 ia [n=ia@89.169.165.188] has joined #lisp 09:41:00 KucukMubasir [n=Halliday@unaffiliated/kucukmubasir] has joined #lisp 09:42:37 slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0BEED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:45:19 jso [n=user@host-9-143-107-208.midco.net] has joined #lisp 09:48:38 jestocost [n=cmell@cad4e7-176.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 09:49:35 mrSpec [n=SomeOne@88.208.105.1] has joined #lisp 09:49:45 -!- mrSpec [n=SomeOne@88.208.105.1] has quit [Client Quit] 09:50:45 -!- crod [n=cmell@cad4e7-176.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:52:47 HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 09:52:59 -!- sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:55:43 -!- drdo``` [n=psykon@167.111.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:58:59 -!- adeht [n=death@nessers.org] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:01:05 -!- ejs [n=eugen@92.49.239.57] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:03:15 -!- robyonrails [n=roby@host14-155-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit ["Sto andando via"] 10:03:25 -!- aja [n=aja@S01060018f3ab066e.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:03:52 -!- awayekos is now known as anekos 10:04:38 O_4 [n=souchan@125-238-247-3.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #lisp 10:11:03 ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has joined #lisp 10:15:15 Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.186.186] has joined #lisp 10:16:08 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:16:30 ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 10:17:39 -!- jso [n=user@host-9-143-107-208.midco.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:21:14 mrSpec [n=SomeOne@88.208.105.1] has joined #lisp 10:21:26 Hi 10:25:30 -!- O_4 [n=souchan@125-238-247-3.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has quit [] 10:25:50 BrianRice-mb [n=briantri@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:25:59 crod [n=cmell@cb8ac8-048.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:26:23 -!- wingo-tp [n=wingo@249.Red-81-39-160.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 10:26:29 afa [n=afa@131.152.178.51] has joined #lisp 10:28:16 -!- jestocost [n=cmell@cad4e7-176.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:32:42 is it hard to reduce a CL type expression to a normal form? 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11:44:28 Hello 11:44:37 hiya 11:44:45 Nocebojin: Someone will let you know once you show the code. 11:44:51 hello mrSpec 11:45:01 i was wondering if there is a way to assign property lists to arrays 11:45:04 (defvar nodes) 11:45:04 (setf nodes (make-array 10)) 11:45:04 (setf (get (aref nodes 5) 'properties) '(wam bam)) 11:45:24 this doesnt work obviousely cause the (get (aref nodes 5) retunres a 0 11:45:24 minion: tell Nocebojin about lisppaste 11:45:27 To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp and enter your paste. 11:46:22 thanks 11:46:24 -!- ecraven [n=nex@140.78.42.103] has quit ["bbl"] 11:46:50 Nocebojin: you probably need to initialize the elements of the array to '() 11:48:32 -!- mulander [n=user@nat-4.interq.pl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:48:47 G'day #lisp. 11:49:10 hello schme 11:49:35 -!- afa [n=afa@131.152.178.51] has quit [] 11:50:01 So when is closure sweet enough to replace firefox for the daily usage? firefox is pissing me off something crazy :) 11:50:17 *cough* Opera. 11:50:28 tried conkeror? 11:50:35 Nope. 11:50:51 it's cool 11:50:53 df_aldur: It looks like it's exactly the same? 11:50:55 schme: It might need some love, but it is probably OK in most situations. 11:51:03 but uses gecko, so if that's what's pissing you off it'll be no help 11:51:10 beach: As long as the flash plugin works :) 11:51:16 df_aldur: I have no idea. :) 11:51:29 schme: hmm, I seriously doubt that, but I might be wrong of course. 11:51:34 Argh. 11:51:36 beach: that worked thanks, but now it assigns (wam bam) to all the elements in the array and not just the specified number 11:51:51 tic: I'll try the opera thing. It just seems a bit bloated :) 11:51:56 then again, the flash plugin doesn't work with 64-bit firefox either as far as I can tell. 11:52:11 oppera doesnt have add-ons :/ 11:52:21 Nocebojin: are you sure you initialized it to the empty list? 11:52:28 Well.. Maybe I can confirm if it works on the 64-bit as soon as X runs on my 64bit 11:53:00 schme, quite the opposite. I used Ffx first few months at work, but then I switched to Opera because Ffx becomes fast as molasses at >30-40 tabs open. 11:53:11 Nocebojin pasted "nodes" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/72639 11:53:15 tic: I see. 11:53:27 tic: I've never had any speed issues with ff though. Just other issues :) 11:53:39 |Soulman| [n=kvirc@138.80-202-254.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 11:53:41 schme, seems to be worse in 3.x though. 2.0 was rather snappy. (also, opera uses less RAM, which is good.) 11:53:50 tic: I use the 3.x 11:53:53 schme, well, it's a browser. what'd you expect? all browsers suck. :) 11:54:10 tic: I don't think it uses more than 700MB of ram though, so I dunno. Maybe yours was broken. 11:54:13 beach: thats the code, but now when i use get to grab a specific one, it always returns back with the last one set 11:54:36 schme, possibly; happens on all systems. did you have 30-40 tabs open at once though? 11:54:44 tic: Atleast. 11:55:16 lucky you. 11:55:18 adeht [n=death@nessers.org] has joined #lisp 11:55:26 tic: How do I disable the google adds in the opera? 11:55:50 tic: Actually how do I enable all the ads on other sites too? 11:55:52 schme, right click -> block content. there's probably some pre-defined file for that you can grab from somewhere. 11:56:03 shit. 11:56:17 That's too much annoying :) 11:56:22 Nocebojin: perhaps you could show the code you use for access, what the result is, and what you expected. 11:56:25 I just want the ad-block plus. 11:57:02 beach: ill edit it now. one moment 11:57:11 tic: I'll give it the youtube test though 11:57:26 tcr [n=tcr@p4FD3E043.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:57:50 ah cool that actually works :) 11:59:44 ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:06 Nocebojin annotated #72639 with "nodes" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/72639#1 12:00:40 beach: done 12:00:47 beach: i hope it makes sense 12:00:51 oudeis [n=oudeis@p11811120.orange.net.il] has joined #lisp 12:01:21 Nocebojin: Sorry I didn't see it before. You need to use getf rather than get. 12:02:04 dv_ [n=dv@85-127-102-97.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 12:02:11 Nocebojin: GET always takes the property list of a symbol, in this case NIL. 12:03:45 beach: now i recieve the error "the value (PROPERTIES (WAM BAM 4)) is not of type SYMBOL." 12:03:47 fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:11 Nocebojin: redo the entire thing from the beginning using getf instead. 12:04:16 this is confusing :P maybe theres some crucial part ive missed while learning the language 12:04:28 sorry, got to go. 12:04:31 -!- beach [n=user@203.210.248.212] has left #lisp 12:04:45 beach: its working 12:04:48 damnit 12:07:58 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:08:11 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 12:08:36 -!- binarin` [n=user@gwn.alt1.ru] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:14:52 -!- Nocebojin [n=shaun@d122-109-109-43.rdl20.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:19:09 Nshag [n=shagoune@Mix-Orleans-105-3-162.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:19:59 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 12:20:03 -!- H4ns2 [n=hans@p57A0EE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:23:31 -!- crod [n=cmell@cb8a9b-042.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 12:23:56 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 12:25:29 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:25:47 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 12:27:39 -!- Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.3.186.186] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:31:30 crod [n=cmell@cad439-221.dynamic.tiki.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:32:50 -!- Beket [n=stathis@athedsl-66525.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:44:49 -!- BrianRice-mb [n=briantri@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:45:28 -!- madnificent [n=user@83.101.62.132] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:45:28 -!- m4dnificent [n=user@83.101.62.132] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:45:28 madnificent [n=user@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 12:45:28 m4dnificent [n=user@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 12:46:11 BrianRice [n=briantri@c-98-225-51-246.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:46:31 -!- jlouis [n=jlouis@port1394.ds1-vby.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:51:01 ah hunchentoot, how i love thee 12:55:58 Hmm, proper IF-LET* is a challenge. 12:56:42 The ELSE clause is problematic. 12:57:09 Perhaps BLOCK+RETURN-FROM will do. 12:59:33 Heh, just a tagbody.. 13:01:21 the if-let in alexandria can easily be made an if-let* 13:05:55 Grilinctus [n=Aankhen@122.162.166.64] has joined #lisp 13:06:18 -!- Malatesa [n=Malatesa@c-67-182-109-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:06:22 FooBarBazQux [n=foobarba@CPE-60-230-39-223.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:06:48 -!- rottcodd [n=user@ppp59-167-54-88.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:08:51 -!- me-so-stupid [n=hooyambo@77.236.84.166] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:08:52 Malatesa [n=Malatesa@c-67-182-109-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:10:31 binarycodes [n=sujoy@59.93.196.98] has joined #lisp 13:10:39 i can call (clsql:with-database (db *connection-spec* :database-type :mysql) (database-name db)) ==> mysql. 13:11:16 but in the body of with-database, the following query says it was an error connecting to said database 13:11:49 -!- aartist [n=REENA@ool-44c51a97.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:11:58 (query (sql [select [*] :from [table-name]]) :database db)) where table-name actually exists in the database. 13:12:52 tcr, not really -- consider the requirement that every other binding must be established iff the previous evaluated to non-NIL.. 13:13:34 tcr, then consider that you do not want several then-clauses compiled in.. 13:14:02 the mysql connection spec is (host db user password &optional port) and i'm supplying all those values as strings 13:15:06 deepfire: Then you're looking for Erik Naggum's WHEREAS 13:15:36 awww, it works when i use raw strings 13:16:25 tcr, you think that the definition I gave doesn't really correspond to the name IF-LET*? 13:17:24 er, s/you do not want several then-clauses/you do not want several else-clauses/ 13:17:28 WHEREAS is just a so much cuter name 13:17:45 deepfire: your first requirement is what whereas does 13:17:56 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:18:09 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 13:18:37 tcr, the unamended one? 13:18:59 or, rather, does the amended one correspond to whereas? 13:19:14 "the amended one"? 13:19:38 tcr, the version with the s/// substitution applied 13:20:29 you can then get if-let* behaviour with (or (whereas (bindings) then..) (progn else ...)) 13:20:46 (except for then.. evaluating to NIL, but my point is that you do not need an extra abstraction for it 13:21:04 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:22:36 tcr, the need for an extra abstraction is justified by the implication of existence of IF-LET* given IF-LET. 13:22:42 IMO 13:23:16 I'd rather like to see you implement whereas because it has a broader application range 13:23:21 including IF-LET* 13:24:00 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.166.64] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:24:36 I see.. 13:24:58 deepfire: It's not that hard to write it in presence of http://common-lisp.net/project/parse-declarations/manual/html_node/index.html :) I wanted to do it myself, but haven't come around yet 13:25:41 tcr, I too have code doing what parse-declarations does :-) 13:26:13 -!- binarycodes [n=sujoy@59.93.196.98] has quit ["WeeChat 0.2.6"] 13:27:07 *deepfire* has got a library with intent similar to alexandria, but which is more lax on the requirements for code to go in. 13:27:18 Oh I didn't know about that. I'm interested in your opinion about my take on it. 13:29:18 Your coverage of the binding stuff is so much deeper than mine.. 13:30:40 er, declaration stuff 13:33:27 I only have a parse and a build part, without analysis. 13:37:32 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:37:45 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 13:50:52 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@72-255-14-50.client.stsn.net] has quit [] 13:52:44 netaust1n_ [n=austinsm@adsl-70-130-232-62.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 13:53:17 tcr: Does your library handle the case of someone declaring a function ignorable? 13:53:53 (There's been at least one version of GNU clisp in recentish memory that has choked on exactly that case, in contravention of ANSI.) 13:53:54 -!- netaust1n [n=austinsm@adsl-70-130-232-62.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:55:57 is it possible to write the :documentation like this: 13:56:12 :documentation "foo bar foo 13:56:28 bar foo more bar" 13:56:42 (concatenate 'string "Merry" " " "Christmas") 13:57:13 davazp [n=user@158.Red-88-8-228.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:33 well, that's ugly :) 13:57:52 (or maybe make emacs wrap the string neatly 14:00:33 (format t "~36r ~36r" 29053366 35245419604516) 14:01:34 All your radix are belong to us? 14:02:12 nice 14:04:35 <_8david> olejorge1b: yes, that's permitted by the language. What effect that newline and whitespace have depends on how you're processing the docstring, though. 14:05:16 Here's one better: (format t "~:(~35r ~30r!~)" 25970909 8265133883128) 14:05:19 <_8david> olejorge1b: Basically, the DOCUMENTATION function retrieves the raw docstring, so you'll see it with whitespace in DESCRIBE and such. 14:05:40 _8david: right, that's what I thought 14:06:02 <_8david> olejorge1b: But higher-level tools for documentation extraction usually follow more TeX-like rules, i.e. single newlines are like space, and only an empty line creates a new paragraph. Multiple spaces are condensed to one, etc. 14:06:48 _8david: Hm.. do you know how I can make emacs behave this way. (thinking of my poor space key) 14:07:00 As I recall, however, some systems allowed for font-change control characters to appear in documentation strings. 14:11:19 <_8david> olejorge1b: not sure. But my emacs isn't behaving nicely on docstrings in general. 14:11:42 <_8david> tcr: do you know how to get emacs to auto-fill docstrings properly? Tab does nothing for me in doctstrings, and M-q signals an error. 14:11:49 what a great effing christmas! 14:11:53 <_8david> Perhaps my emacs is misconfigured? 14:14:05 _8david: M-q works for me. What error do you get? 14:14:32 Dagyde [n=Malatesa@c-67-182-109-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:41 tcr: it indents? 14:14:42 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 14:15:01 nyef: The library does not do any semantic processing. 14:15:15 tcr: Okay, cool. 14:15:17 -!- Malatesa [n=Malatesa@c-67-182-109-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:15:26 for me, it just kind a pull the text togeher 14:15:44 -!- Dagyde is now known as Malatesa 14:16:07 Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 14:16:18 <_8david> tcr: oops, I take that back. Had someone's old comment filling code loaded. Now it works. 14:16:24 nyef: It does do some normalization though. So for example even though you (declare (inline fun1)), but you do (declare (ignore #'fun1)). In my library both cases are normalized #'fun1. 14:17:09 so this is the result? http://pastebin.com/mc41abcb 14:17:11 nyef: So you always use #' to get information about functions, regardless of the actual syntax in the declarations 14:17:20 <_8david> tcr: would be even better if C-j and Tab did indentation within the string though. Is that possible somehow? 14:17:58 _8david: You mean Lisp aware indentation? 14:19:14 in cl-who, what is the right syntax for building unordered lists dynamicallly? (:ul (:li (str (format nil "~a" (foo)))) doesn't work but (:ul (format nil "
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    • " (foo))) works. am i missing something? 14:19:15 -!- hugod [n=hugo@bas1-montreal50-1279441402.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 14:20:00 hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 14:20:04 robyonrails [n=roby@host151-218-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:20:29 _8david: You can use indent-sexp in strings to retrofit indentation. There's probably some dwim way possible, but that probably requires some hacking. 14:20:48 kmb [n=kmb@s92.GtokyoFL8.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:23:59 _8david: so how's your avm backend going? 14:25:03 <_8david> No, I'd just want indentation in docstrings to be similar to text-mode buffers, where Tab checks the indentation of the previous line. Rigth now, I have to type C-j M-q to get into the next line, where I'd just want to type C-j as usual. 14:25:32 *fusss* is happy to no end with hunchentoot + clsql + assorted ajax libraries he just started using last night :-) 14:26:00 evenson [n=evenson@213.47.71.36] has joined #lisp 14:26:45 <_8david> tcr: the avm experiment is a work project, so no progress until January. ... or WOULD be a work project; I'm currently at the stage where I can spend some time hacking it, but only to investigate whether to proceed at all, and how much time it would take then. 14:27:05 <_8david> Right now, I'm busy hacking parse-docstrings (and refactoring texinfo-docstrings, atdoc, ...) 14:27:28 -!- Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:27:43 That's nice, too. It's also on my editor-hints project list. 14:28:25 -!- alpheus [n=user@vpn.cashnetusa.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:29:07 alpheus [n=user@vpn.cashnetusa.com] has joined #lisp 14:29:08 <_8david> We'd be providing a CLOS representation of docstrings. Would be nice if slime could use parse-docstrings, and render the result back into something pretty and clickable. 14:29:15 <_8david> Not sure I have the slime skills to do that myself though. 14:29:19 Irregardless [n=Aankhen@122.162.166.64] has joined #lisp 14:29:48 "We"? 14:30:01 kpreid [n=kpreid@pool-71-125-64-2.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:24 Is there some discussion list already? If not, I'd suggest editor-hints-devel which is also conveniently available from gmane. 14:30:27 <_8david> "we" because the CLOS representation was Nikodemus' idea. By now my class hierarchy in parse-docstrings has already diverged a little from his code, but it's still hiscode in general. 14:31:04 I'd like to ask you to subscribe, and I'll post a mail later summarizing my personal thoughts about the issue. 14:31:34 <_8david> I think nikodemus is more interested in maintaining docstrings.lisp in SBCL itself, but I'm trying to share as many ideas (if not code) as possible between docstrings.lisp and parse-docstrings/texinfo-documentation. 14:31:59 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:32:12 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 14:33:12 malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbbf09c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #lisp 14:33:47 *_8david* will have to upgrade firefox before being that, because it dies violently on common-lisp.net's mailman and pipermail 14:34:14 -!- Grilinctus [n=Aankhen@122.162.166.64] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:34:39 -!- kpreid [n=kpreid@pool-71-125-64-2.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:34:51 gmane.lisp.editors.hints.devel 14:37:00 syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:20 _8david: out of curiosity, does this intermediate CLOS representation resemble docbook in any way? 14:41:50 -!- eno_ [n=eno@adsl-70-137-132-196.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["leaving"] 14:41:55 I should have read the IF-LET docstring in full, before claiming that my definition of IF-LET* is an obvious extension.. 14:42:12 <_8david> I don't know docbook very well. 14:42:23 IF-LET executes the ELSE clause with the bindings in effect. 14:42:26 -!- evenson [n=evenson@213.47.71.36] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:42:50 <_8david> When SBCL was still using it, my impression was that it was overly verbose. We only have a rather small subset of elements in parse-docstrings currently. 14:42:58 <_8david> But see for yourself: http://repo.or.cz/w/parse-docstrings.git?a=blob;f=classes.lisp 14:45:44 -!- kmb [n=kmb@s92.GtokyoFL8.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [] 14:46:12 <_8david> Personally I expect most users to just run MARKUP-TO-SEXP on the CLOS representation anyway, if my experience with cxml users asking for xmls-like lists instead of DOM is any indication. 14:46:19 _8david: that looks more sane than attempting to be as general as docbook, yeah. 14:47:42 -!- FooBarBazQux [n=foobarba@CPE-60-230-39-223.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 14:59:05 what is the consensus on forking ht-ajax? too many people said they had updates for it but the author was MIA? 15:02:08 fusss: just publish your own tree... 15:02:38 yeah 15:02:46 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:02:59 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 15:03:05 -!- mrSpec is now known as mrSpec[afk] 15:07:22 Jabberwockey [n=jens@dslc-082-082-052-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:53 -!- HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:08:42 Yuuhi [i=benni@p5483E66D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:09:46 HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 15:12:06 -!- holycow [n=rtaylor@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:14:10 -!- seelenquell_ [n=seelenqu@pD9E459C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:14:15 blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:36 -!- kejsaren [n=kejsaren@111.25.95.91.static.ras.siw.siwnet.net] has quit ["leaving"] 15:15:10 -!- blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:15:25 blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:17:03 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 15:18:40 seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E459C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:53 evenson [n=evenson@213.47.71.36] has joined #lisp 15:22:04 gigamonkey [n=user@adsl-99-184-204-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:36 vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has joined #lisp 15:22:52 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:23:05 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 15:23:48 Merry Christmas! 15:24:03 gigamonkey: (format t "~:(~35r ~30r!~)" 25970909 8265133883128) 15:24:08 happy holiday, gigamonkey 15:24:12 merry christmas gigamonkey 15:25:36 ... No, of course sb-posix doesn't know what a pid_t is. That'd be too useful. 15:26:12 Yes, merry christmas, everybody :) 15:26:16 lacedaemon [n=algidus@88-149-212-85.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 15:28:12 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-209-245.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:28:15 -!- lacedaemon is now known as fe[nl]ix 15:29:38 clhs #x 15:29:38 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhi.htm 15:30:05 (pid_t is 32 bits for me. Yay.) 15:31:07 <_8david> hmm. hyperdoc depends on hyperdoc-lookup. What and where is hyperdoc-lookup? 15:31:30 nyef: you gotta explain how in the world that works 15:31:44 fusss: What? pid_t being 32 bits? 15:31:47 I though ~r was for radix print 15:31:49 _8david: It's the thing that was supposed to be plugged into emacs/slime so C-c C-d h will not only for symbols in the hyperspec 15:31:50 It is. 15:32:20 WTF?! I'm dumbfounded 15:32:21 #30rCHRISTMAS => 8265133883128 15:32:24 fusss: For big enough radix, letters are used to represent digits 15:32:37 <_8david> tcr: "was"? 15:32:45 Radix can go up to 36, which is 0-9 plus A-Z. 15:32:46 ahhhhhhhh 15:33:01 This, of course, is obvious when you think about base 16. 15:33:13 (All your radix are belong to us!) 15:33:13 _8david: It didn't get much traction, although it's exactly what I want to do in editor-hints, too. 15:33:14 yep 15:33:56 *fusss* cracked a shareware that that left him a nasty base16 ascii message + some leet alphabets 15:33:57 _8david: I think it mostly lacks a slime contrib, so it's available out-of-the-box 15:34:06 in ram that is 15:34:18 I picked my radices to cover the last letter I needed (#\Y and #\T, respectively), and the only other remotely tricky bit in there is the use of ~(. 15:34:24 <_8david> okay, but if this hyperdoc-lookup thing never existed, then hyperdoc.asd never worked for anyone? I could have sworn to have loaded it successfully at some point. 15:35:13 Oh I think it exists. I may be confused what hyperdoc is, though. 15:35:23 Perhaps what I just told is in fact a description of hyperdoc 15:35:36 then I do not know what hyperdoc-lookup is supposed to be :) 15:35:43 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 15:35:52 <_8david> argh, oh, wait. Problem exists between computer and chair. 15:36:22 would it be a terrible idea to publish a url with an ajaxified sbcl repl? has it been done? 15:36:27 <_8david> I meant hyperspec-lookup, not hyperdoc-lookup, and I know where to get that... Never mind. 15:36:28 Hrm. STYLE-WARNING: Undefined alien: "pthread" 15:36:52 fusss: You'd need to be careful about what people evaluate. 15:37:15 they could SAP you to death! 15:37:26 fusss: I did it once: http://common-lisp.net/~loliveira/tmp/silly-repl.png 15:37:29 nyef: franz locks down their telnet repl pretty well (i'm sure i have franz' lisp expertise somewhere in my drawers) 15:37:54 fusss: (run-program "/bin/rm" ("-rf" "/")) 15:38:16 ah failing in cold-init, again! 15:38:27 tcr: Sounds like fun. 15:38:37 fusss: back then chandler suggested that using ABCL and JVM sandboxes would be a good way to do it. 15:38:48 luis: bingo! 15:38:53 Debugging cold-init isn't so bad anymore now that I know of ldb's print command, and the /HEXSTR function 15:39:14 tcr: But having a real debugger would be helpful, right? 15:39:16 moving on to other stuff then .. 15:39:34 -!- vy [n=user@213.139.194.186] has quit ["ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 15:39:39 nyef: In my case a quicker pc would do wonders already. Hacking on some 1ghz notebook here... 15:39:53 fusss: I'm afraid the code was lost on a HD crash. There wasn't a lot of it, though. 15:40:03 -!- seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E459C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:40:43 luis: (M-x bad-english) hey, i NIH my own dog food! 15:41:04 seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E459C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:42:50 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@p11811120.orange.net.il] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 15:46:30 -!- ejs [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:48:47 -!- mishok13 [n=gdmfsob@dm.sonopia.com] has quit ["Stopping IRC chat... 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(But we all like looking at SBCL sources, right?) 16:33:35 I renamed INTERN* to INTERN-FROM-SUBSTRING across the code base (to best of my knowledge), but I now get an undefined function error of INTERN-FROM-SUBSTRING when trying to fasl-load code/show.lisp, in (SB!FASL::FOP-LISP-SMALL-SYMBOL-SAVE) 16:35:02 merry xmas everyone 16:35:09 Ok I forgot to update package-list. 16:35:27 <_8david> okay, that would have been my only suggestion anyway 16:35:29 Silly me for using "ack" instead of grep, where the former does not include all files by default 16:36:29 <_8david> I just love "git grep". 16:37:01 M-x grep-find FTW 16:37:05 ack is very nice, it also highlights the matching expression similiar like isearch in emacs 16:37:10 -!- ejs2 [n=eugen@77.222.151.102] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 16:37:14 and it's fast 16:37:36 What is output/cold-sbcl.map ? 16:38:39 <_8david> luis: the missing emacs integration is the one part I really miss in "git grep" compared to find-grep-dired and grep-find. Perhaps it's in one of the gazillion of git/emacs modes, but I haven't found the right one yet? 16:39:23 I asked #emacs for a recommendation, but that was largly ignored 16:39:44 I think we'll have to wait half a year, or an year until a favorite emerges 16:40:13 I know use gitsum.el which allows me to do partial commits like it's possible in darcs 16:40:17 s/know/now/ 16:40:49 it's doesn't provide anything else, in fact. 16:41:04 I guess I'm not yet a true emacs believer in that I don't mind using git-citool 16:41:15 heh 16:41:15 seelenquell_ [n=seelenqu@pD9E47BA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:30 <_8david> Hmm. I hate git-citool and love "git add -p". Guess I'll have to try gitsum.el. 16:41:42 luis: try git-gui (it is like git-citool except that the other buttons work) (: 16:41:53 <_8david> tcr: BTW, what darcs mode does it emulate? I'm driving darcs from the shell, too. Perhaps I should upgrade to emacs for that? 16:41:54 (also gitx -c is very nice on os x) 16:42:09 _8david: I use darcs, too. I didn't know about git add -p. 16:42:18 _8david: I mean I use darcs at the command line, too. 16:42:49 _8david: gitsum displays the diff in a buffer, and you can use `k' to kill the hunk at point, then you can use c to commit the change. 16:43:26 It's basically what I hacked into emacs' cvs mode (I never sent the changes upstream, though.) 16:43:57 -!- jsoft [n=Administ@unaffiliated/jsoft] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:47:10 <_8david> antifuchs: do you know to tell cvsps to stop looking for locks in /var/lock? 16:47:32 hum. 16:47:35 for which project? 16:47:55 <_3b> _8david: speaking of git, what command should i use to merge your fork into my local tree? 16:50:27 -!- Irregardless [n=Aankhen@122.162.166.64] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:50:46 <_8david> _3b: short answer or long answer? The long answer is "git remote add -f david git://repo.or.cz/swf2/david.git", then either "git merge david/master" or alternatively "git cherry-pick " if you only want a specific commit 16:52:22 <_8david> antifuchs: okay, found it. I just have to change CVSROOT/config 16:52:33 cool 16:56:20 antifuchs: Ahoi und frohe Wintersonnenwende :) 16:56:24 -!- seelenquell [n=seelenqu@pD9E459C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:56:31 hey, ebenfalls (: 16:57:26 -!- elurin [n=user@85.99.191.209] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:58:28 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@dslc-082-082-052-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:59:40 Jabberwockey [n=jens@dslc-082-082-052-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:09 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:03:22 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 17:06:44 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-212-85.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit ["Valete!"] 17:13:16 *_8david* forks both hyperspec-lookup and hyperdoc into git for now 17:14:55 sohail [n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 17:16:01 -!- fusss [n=chatzill@ip70-187-234-43.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:21:03 ejs [n=eugen@92.49.235.181] has joined #lisp 17:21:46 ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has joined #lisp 17:24:01 -!- phadthai [i=mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:27:09 -!- ejs [n=eugen@92.49.235.181] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:28:36 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:30:25 costal [n=draven@shm67-2-82-227-190-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:31:16 Reaver_1 [n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug] has joined #lisp 17:31:45 -!- Reaver_1 [n=m@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug] has quit [Client Quit] 17:34:30 Is it possible to read file until "," ? My file looks like: name,surname,adress,phone\n and I'd like add each word from line as record's component. 17:35:02 clhs read-delimited-string 17:35:02 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for read-delimited-string. 17:35:05 Hrm... 17:35:23 <_8david> clhs read-delimited-list 17:35:24 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_del.htm 17:35:49 <_8david> I don't think that's what mrSpec[afk] really wants though. 17:36:04 hmm it is list 17:36:05 No, I was hoping, though. 17:36:49 Might be easy enough to just loop with read-char until getting the delimiter, then unreading the character. 17:36:52 <_8david> mrSpec[afk]: I'd use LOOP with PEEK-CHAR until hitting the comma, while accumulating results using WITH-OUTPUT-TO-STRING. 17:37:01 (Or not unreading the character, actually...) 17:37:05 syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:20 ahh ok I'll try it :) 17:37:26 you could also just use read-line and use http://www.cliki.net/fare-csv to separate fields (: 17:37:26 What do you do about commas in the address field, though? 17:37:27 mrSpec[afk]: if you're trying to parse csv format, there's cl-csv 17:37:40 or cl-csv 17:38:02 hugod [n=hugo@bas1-montreal50-1279441402.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:38:03 <_8david> wow, read-line has a grey streams version? how silly. 17:38:05 Or read-line and split-sequence? 17:38:48 _8david: Probably to make it easy to define a FILES-11 ODS2 stream type for text streams or something. 17:38:49 tcr, It is not csv 17:38:54 nyef: if it's really csv, split-sequence will fail on escapes 17:39:21 ok I'll read about this read-line and split and I'll see :) 17:39:25 thx for answers 17:39:29 tcr: Given that not all csv formats -allow- escapes, that's not necessarily a showstopper. 17:39:53 -!- rpg [n=rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [] 17:39:54 Anyway, gotta run, heading elsewhere for christmas "dinner". 17:40:01 *nyef* is gone, probably back tonight. 17:41:07 I feel somewhat bad about that all my sbcl endeavor which appear so simple at first turn into some moderate refactoring 17:41:30 -!- envi^home [n=envi@220.121.234.156] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:42:13 mejja [n=root@c-3fb7e455.44-2195-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 17:45:25 schme_ [n=marcus@c83-249-80-232.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:45:48 Speaking of which, I have a silly patch that adds milliseconds to COMPILE-FILE's timings. Would anyone find that useful? 17:45:54 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-212-85.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 17:46:08 I was just slightly annoyed by looking at 0:00:00 so often. 17:47:31 -!- decafbad [n=mehmet@88.232.61.195] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:47:59 Probably not useful but nice anyway. (Make did the same a few years ago when machines got too fast.) 17:48:53 ignas [n=ignas@85.206.184.35] has joined #lisp 17:50:19 Beats pressing the turbo button. :-) 17:53:15 -!- ejs1 [n=eugen@nat.ironport.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:53:36 ejs [n=eugen@92.49.235.181] has joined #lisp 17:54:16 Eno_ [n=anon@fl-67-76-215-49.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:42 -!- ``Erik [i=erik@c-68-54-174-162.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:01:30 -!- schme [n=marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:01:50 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:02:03 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 18:03:23 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-79-177-106-178.red.bezeqint.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:04:53 bombshelter13 [n=bombshel@209-161-228-54.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 18:05:19 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@dslc-082-082-052-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:07:20 Jabberwockey [n=jens@dslc-082-082-052-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:24 ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:11 -!- mejja [n=root@c-3fb7e455.44-2195-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["don't drink and irc"] 18:10:22 Jacob_H [n=jacob@92.2.0.87] has joined #lisp 18:10:30 -!- lasts [n=lasts@77.207.25.109] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:11:08 eno [n=eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:15:30 puchacz [n=puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:15:48 oudeis [n=oudeis@89-139-68-237.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 18:20:15 lasts [n=lasts@77.207.25.109] has joined #lisp 18:20:34 Is it possible to remove " from list's elements ? I have list ("a" "b" "c") and I'd like to get (first list) -> a not "a" ? 18:22:29 <_3b> mrSpec[afk]: do you mean convert strings to symbols, or just print strings without the "" ? 18:22:43 print without 18:23:00 <_3b> how are you printing currently? 18:23:32 just (first lis) 18:23:37 (first list) 18:23:59 <_3b> just letting the REPL print it you mean? 18:24:30 repl print, I have to check this 18:29:06 <_3b> what are you trying to do? 18:30:06 I'm using split-sequence so I have a list. 18:30:24 and want add each atom without this " 18:30:47 <_3b> add it to what? 18:31:01 to structure 18:31:39 <_3b> the "" are just added when it prints the string, they aren't actually part of it 18:31:57 ahh so I have to convert string ? 18:32:40 <_3b> depends on what you want to do with them 18:33:38 some of this strings are numbers 18:34:16 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@dslc-082-082-052-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:34:17 <_3b> clhs parse-integer 18:34:17 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_parse_.htm 18:34:40 <_3b> use that to convert them to numbers if they are just integers 18:34:41 exacly :) thx 18:34:50 yup, only integers 18:35:31 ok thx for Your help, g2g dinner is waiting. 18:36:27 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 18:38:25 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:40:06 I'm trying to use hunchentoot and cl-couch with my package but both have a function called URL-ENCODE and they clash. What do you do in that situation? 18:40:31 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 18:45:12 -!- b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:46:42 b4|hraban [n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 18:48:13 kzar: :shadowing-import-from perhaps 18:48:55 kzar: have you read PCL's chapter on package? 18:49:03 *packages 18:51:44 luis: no not yet, I read that idiots guide pdf a while ago to get started 18:52:11 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@89-139-68-237.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 18:56:06 luis pasted ":SHADOWING-IMPORT-FROM example for kzar" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/72645 19:00:02 blitz_ [n=julian@pD95D7950.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:39 manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:01:29 luis: That's great thanks luis 19:01:41 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:01:47 luis: I just tried it for my problem and it worked 19:02:46 -!- jao [n=user@84.Red-83-33-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:03:06 mvatki [n=michael@adsl-217-245-224.ags.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:38 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:05:29 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 19:06:43 fisxoj [n=fisxoj@ool-4356ce50.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:36 costal_ [n=draven@shm67-2-82-227-190-152.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:04 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:11:20 -!- costal [n=draven@shm67-2-82-227-190-152.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:11:26 -!- costal_ is now known as costal 19:11:45 agz [n=mate@225-36.adsl.etel.hu] has joined #lisp 19:13:09 oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-84-109-137-43.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:40 hello, is there a function which tells what slots a structure has? 19:13:51 -!- ces200_ [i=ces200@unaffiliated/ces200] has left #lisp 19:15:04 Irregardless [n=Aankhen@122.162.166.64] has joined #lisp 19:17:36 agz: yes, using the MOP on some Lisps 19:18:35 agz: are you using SBCL? 19:18:39 yes 19:18:55 I googled MOP just now 19:19:04 (mapcar #'sb-mop:slot-definition-name (sb-mop:class-slots (find-class 'your-struct))) 19:19:38 dkcl [n=user@unaffiliated/dkcl] has joined #lisp 19:20:34 agz: that should work 19:20:59 Gah. Installing Stefil via clbuild updated SLIME and now it seems to be b0rked. 19:21:48 luis: many txh! thats what I wanted 19:21:54 agz: the MOP (Meta-Object Protocol) is an extension present on most Lisps, but it's not specified to work on structures IIRC. It works on SBCL, though. 19:22:11 "The assertion SWANK::THREAD failed." in *inferior-lisp*. Anyone else getting that? 19:22:12 minion: tell agz about amop 19:22:12 agz: have a look at amop: The Art of the Metaobject Protocol, an essential book for understanding the implementation of CLOS and advanced OO. See the sepcification of MOP at http://www.lisp.org/mop/ 19:22:36 Irregardless: interesting, someone got that error yesterday. 19:23:01 luis: what is IIRC? 19:23:20 agz: IIRC stands for "if I recall correctly" 19:23:29 Trashing it and reinstalling didn't work, FWIW. 19:23:42 Irregardless: Slime is currently being developed on. Report that to the mailing list. 19:23:53 luis: ok .) txh again 19:24:02 Irregardless: It's probably safer to try to update your CVS version in a week, or two. 19:24:18 tcr: Yeah, I saw you say that earlier, it just inadvertently got upgraded as a dependency. 19:24:41 Irregardless: downgrade, perhaps. 19:24:46 Irregardless: That's unfortune. :) Report it to the mailing list, and it'll probably get fixed quickly. 19:25:20 The mailinglist is available through gmane, so you don't even have to undergo a time-consuming subscription process. 19:25:28 I'm already subscribed, that's not a problem. 19:25:52 Just composing the message and trying to figure out what information is important. 19:26:17 Thank you! 19:27:34 yeah, somebody broke SLIME. 19:29:16 -!- dkcl [n=user@unaffiliated/dkcl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:29:41 ice_four: looks like your problem was that you upgraded SLIME. 19:30:01 ebb 19:31:33 doesnt slime have stable releases ? 19:31:34 ehh.. im noob. How can I use sb-mop:class-slots to a structure? 19:31:55 agz: the way I showed you didn't work? 19:32:17 ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:27 luis: no it seems it's not a class for it :O 19:32:45 agz: did you use FIND-CLASS like in my example? 19:33:12 luis: no 19:33:24 luis:u r right, i try it 19:33:25 agz: there's your problem, then. 19:33:28 -!- Grilinctus [n=Aankhen@122.162.166.64] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:33:56 I sent the bug report to the list. 19:34:12 tcr: No need to thank me, this is just out of self-interest. :-) 19:34:14 -!- Irregardless is now known as Aankhen`` 19:34:38 luis: it works. i was dumb, not just noob .) sry 19:35:15 anton [n=anton@217.197.4.201] has joined #lisp 19:35:45 luis: Sorry to bother you, but how would one go about downgrading SLIME? I'm not very familiar with CVS. 19:35:47 -!- mvatki [n=michael@adsl-217-245-224.ags.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:36:07 Aankhen``: that's a good question, I don't remember. I would use this GIT mirror: git://git.boinkor.net/slime.git 19:36:20 -!- sykopomp [n=sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:36:23 Cool, thanks. 19:36:28 Aankhen``: but that might not help if you're not familiar with Git either 19:36:40 Not too familiar, but I can probably look it up. 19:37:00 -!- ruediger [n=the-rued@p508B62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:37:10 -!- anton is now known as aknotz 19:37:10 With CVS I don't know much about what it means to downgrade in the first place. 19:37:42 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:37:55 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 19:38:53 -!- blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:40:20 Scratch that, I'll try my luck with CVS. git scares me. 19:40:43 Aankhen``: heh, ok, so cvs checkout takes a timestamp argument or something 19:41:05 Ye, a revision, apparently. 19:42:15 Hang on, with CVS it's `cvs update -rXX file` for each file, whereas with git it just seems to be `git checkout revision-id`, which I found thanks to your link. 19:42:16 I don't think so because cvs revisions are per-file 19:42:26 right 19:44:22 -!- HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:45:07 -!- jlouis [n=jlouis@port1394.ds1-vby.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:45:16 HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 19:47:43 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:47:56 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 19:52:39 bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-228-54.dsl.look.ca] has joined #lisp 19:52:43 Aankhen``: cvs update -D 2008-12-01 19:52:45 iirc 19:52:58 xristos: No Slime does not do releases 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Where FiveAM was dying horribly every time I tried to run my test suite because apparently 160 tests was too much for it, Stefil does it in less than a second. :-| 20:15:56 -!- mib_l51dox [i=be8a2f07@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ff2563b81f3c9d62] has quit [Client Quit] 20:17:07 ikki [n=ikki@189.228.229.54] has joined #lisp 20:17:11 -!- AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:18:01 AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 20:20:21 -!- AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:21:10 AntiSpamMeta [n=MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 20:21:31 blbrown [n=Berlin@c-71-236-25-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:45 -!- blitz_ [n=julian@pD95D7950.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:21:57 *madnificent* never had any trouble with 5am 20:26:48 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:27:01 cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has joined #lisp 20:29:22 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-148.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [] 20:29:43 -!- cooper [n=jockc@dsl-206-251-71-245.dynamic.linkline.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:29:57 -!- donio [n=donio@adsl-76-245-43-174.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:32:39 r0bby [n=wakawaka@guifications/user/r0bby] has joined #lisp 20:32:54 -!- bombshelter13_ [n=bombshel@209-161-228-54.dsl.look.ca] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:36:53 -!- Aankhen`` [n=Aankhen@122.162.166.64] has quit ["“The only MMO I ever put any real time in was Ultima Online and probably the reason why I hate MMOs as a genre. This news is ] 20:37:02 jpcooper [n=justin@unaffiliated/jpcooper] has joined #lisp 20:41:19 sdsds [n=user@68-187-211-226.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:42 _3 20:41:48 -!- sdsds is now known as dto_3 20:42:43 -!- dto [n=user@68-187-211-226.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:44:32 -!- dto_3 is now known as dto 20:46:12 milanj [n=milan@79.101.139.20] has joined #lisp 20:48:10 -!- rotty [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:49:34 -!- avdi [n=avdi@c-71-58-195-219.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:49:37 -!- oudeis [n=oudeis@bzq-84-109-137-43.red.bezeqint.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 20:50:07 rotty [n=rotty@chello084114192192.1.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 20:55:03 -!- fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-212-85.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit ["Valete!"] 21:00:12 -!- xinming [n=hyy@125.109.244.117] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:00:20 -!- dto [n=user@68-187-211-226.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:02:56 xinming [n=hyy@125.109.244.117] has joined #lisp 21:04:13 oudeis [n=oudeis@89-139-68-237.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 21:06:07 -!- xinming [n=hyy@125.109.244.117] has quit [Client Quit] 21:07:31 -!- fisxoj [n=fisxoj@ool-4356ce50.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:08:48 srp [n=srp@122.167.105.178] has joined #lisp 21:10:03 -!- srp [n=srp@122.167.105.178] has left #lisp 21:10:05 Does anyone on linux x86-32 compiled sbcl from git, and run the test suite successfully? 21:10:10 s/Does/Has/ 21:11:24 srp [n=srp@122.167.105.178] has joined #lisp 21:18:49 -!- syamajala [n=syamajal@c-75-68-104-47.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving..."] 21:26:54 vasa [n=vasa@mm-172-93-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has joined #lisp 21:27:30 -!- srp [n=srp@122.167.105.178] has quit [] 21:28:32 fe[nl]ix [n=algidus@88-149-212-85.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 21:31:07 ejs [n=eugen@77-109-24-175.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 21:32:01 bit` [n=bit@c-67-171-211-187.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:34:04 HOw can I check End of file while reading "read-line" ? I googled but cant find anything :/ 21:34:34 -!- JuanDaugherty [n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:37:01 clhs read-line 21:37:01 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_lin.htm 21:37:24 see eof-error-p 21:37:48 O_4 [n=souchan@125-238-247-3.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #lisp 21:38:19 ahh so simply 21:41:31 evenin' 21:42:11 njsg [n=njsg@unaffiliated/njsg] has joined #lisp 21:42:41 Evening schme_ 21:42:55 Ya baby! 21:50:15 -!- Nshag [n=shagoune@Mix-Orleans-105-3-162.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 21:52:12 aszarsha [n=Aszarsha@69.171.146.51] has joined #lisp 21:52:35 schme [n=marcus@c83-249-80-232.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:56:48 -!- ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:59:14 daniel_ [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has joined #lisp 22:00:53 -!- schme_ [n=marcus@c83-249-80-232.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:01:25 -!- jpcooper [n=justin@unaffiliated/jpcooper] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:04:28 yoshinori [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 22:05:27 -!- ignas [n=ignas@85.206.184.35] has quit ["Download xchat-gnome: apt-get install xchat-gnome"] 22:07:03 mstevens [n=mstevens@zazen.etla.org] has joined #lisp 22:10:51 -!- vasa [n=vasa@mm-172-93-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by] has quit ["I am not vasya, i am vasa"] 22:15:18 rottcodd [n=user@ppp59-167-54-88.lns1.cbr1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:16:16 -!- daniel [i=daniel@unaffiliated/daniel] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:18:25 wormphlegm [n=george@c-98-234-189-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:32 jlouis [n=jlouis@port1394.ds1-vby.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #lisp 22:19:41 -!- jlouis [n=jlouis@port1394.ds1-vby.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:19:52 jlouis [n=jlouis@port1394.ds1-vby.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #lisp 22:21:11 -!- yoshinori [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:21:14 Jabberwockey [n=jens@e177252074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:21:20 -!- ice_four [n=ice_four@host86-131-244-48.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:21:27 yoshinori [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:36 -!- yoshinori [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:21:55 yoshinori [n=read_eva@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:27 -!- costal [n=draven@shm67-2-82-227-190-152.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["leaving"] 22:30:28 -!- ejs [n=eugen@77-109-24-175.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:33:56 -!- borism_ [n=boris@195-50-204-183-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:34:04 rcy [n=rcy@S01060013102d91ee.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:34:45 elurin [n=user@88.254.105.102] has joined #lisp 22:35:43 borism [n=boris@195-50-204-183-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has joined #lisp 22:35:46 Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:36:35 antifuchs: Are you here? 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23:13:07 tcr, sure 23:13:11 Fast ? 23:13:21 tcr, all of them x86-64 though 23:14:02 -!- ths [n=ths@p54A44283.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:14:15 Is (eq t t) true for all CL implementations? 23:14:18 deepfire: Alright, could you checkout sbcl from git, and compile it using time sh make.sh 23:14:34 tcr, in a few moments.. 23:15:10 fooquux: Yes, symbols interned in the same package are EQ 23:15:20 K, thanx. 23:15:48 -!- manuel_ [n=manuel@e180066181.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 23:16:13 -!- milanj [n=milan@79.101.139.20] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:17:30 -!- slash_ [n=Unknown@p4FF0BEED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:19:51 ``Erik [i=erik@c-68-54-174-162.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:03 -!- mrSpec[afk] [n=SomeOne@88.208.105.1] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:22:09 mrSpec [n=SomeOne@88.208.105.1] has joined #lisp 23:27:24 -!- hkBst [n=hkBst@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:27:50 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 23:29:03 Athas [n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #lisp 23:29:22 ManateeLazyCat [n=user@222.212.129.26] has joined #lisp 23:34:16 -!- malumalu [n=malu@hnvr-4dbbf09c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 23:37:38 WhiteFlame [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:40:34 -!- njsg [n=njsg@unaffiliated/njsg] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 23:41:09 njsg [n=njsg@unaffiliated/njsg] has joined #lisp 23:44:50 -!- Jabberwockey [n=jens@e177252074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:45:28 -!- dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:47:55 Odin- [n=sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 23:49:37 -!- kzar [n=kzar@hardwick.demon.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:51:36 dagnachew [n=dagnache@modemcable207.114-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 23:53:33 spiderbyte [n=dcl@unaffiliated/dcl] has joined #lisp 23:54:43 -!- WhiteFlame [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 23:54:50 beach [n=user@203.210.248.212] has joined #lisp 23:54:52 -!- Phoodus [i=foo@ip68-231-38-131.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:54:58 Good morning. 23:55:29 kenyon_ [n=kenyon_@xdsl-81-173-151-196.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:55:56 not quite 23:56:37 df_aldur: Is there something wrong with it, or is it not quite morning yet? 23:56:52 it's not quite morning here 23:57:10 I am sure when it is it will be good though :) 23:58:13 Good night! 23:58:22 -!- froog [n=user@81-234-149-249-no94.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:58:29 -!- mrSpec [n=SomeOne@88.208.105.1] has quit ["c Ya!"] 23:58:33 froog [n=user@81-234-149-249-no94.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 23:59:56 -!- lispm [n=joswig@e177150241.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]