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The first value is allowed to be wrong if both it and the second are NIL 00:41:48 -!- wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ntoska310174.oska.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:42:45 I'm having trouble with enable-key-repeats in lispbuilder-sld 00:42:58 (I do have the latest version now) 00:43:29 What are reasonable default values for that function? 00:44:19 S11001001: how are you taking care of the login/authorization on your site? you were using weblocks, IIRC 00:44:25 -!- ice_four [n=ice_four@host86-131-244-48.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 00:44:51 fusss: salted password in database; Weblocks takes care of most of the rest 00:45:02 yeah? 00:45:04 fusss: I'm not S11001001, but http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=Learning+About+Weblocks#Wrapping_Things_In_Login_Widgets_A_Better_Way has a way to do it. 00:45:28 you boys are amazing :-) 00:45:47 i was having performance problems with my vps hosted weblocks 00:46:16 how come? 00:46:33 i moved it to my home server, and i use my apache running on the vps as a reverse proxy to my home server and now everything is sweet 00:46:53 dog slow, in explicable 00:47:44 i have this fear of ever committing to one platform, so i have two versions of my site, one weblocked and the other straight hunchentoot 00:48:04 tsuru [n=user@c-69-245-36-64.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:48:35 qbg [n=qbg@rn084084.morris.umn.edu] has joined #lisp 00:49:04 btw, what is the #workingset channel that many lispers are in? 00:49:12 rlpowell: hey, that looks pretty handy. Thanks for putting it up :) 00:49:45 sykopomp: rlpowell's big-ass text is handy :-) love it. 00:51:22 rlpowell: oh hey I remember that code :) 00:51:45 incidentally that should say initialize-instance :after 00:52:35 though I guess CNM is fine 00:54:31 HET2 [n=diman@chello084114161225.3.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 00:56:30 is there something i'm not getting? i found it hard to write specialized methods for make-instance and initialize-instance, and people told me it was not standards compliant anyway 00:56:47 yet everyone write before/after/around methods for them. what gives? 00:56:57 mogunus pasted "repeating keys?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/72171 00:56:58 fusss: 1. don't specialize make-instance unless you are really sure 00:57:11 how about initialize-instance 00:57:12 ? 00:57:27 mogunus annotated #72171 with "REPL showcase" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/72171#1 00:57:37 my gui project got completely derailed because i couldn't do that (and also because i got a job ;-) 00:57:44 fusss: 2. i-i is part of the standard initialization protocol; you can't portably avoid invoking the built-in method. 00:57:51 sykopomp: Thanks! :) 00:57:53 what i want to do is have make-instance with side effects 00:57:57 mogunus: that's... a strange return value 00:58:00 why? 00:58:13 I can't figure out why my "antenna" does not move when I hold down the z or x keys 00:58:15 S11001001: Yeah, OK, so you wrote half of it. :D I should add the password hashing persistence stuff some day. 00:58:35 THe dot moves fine when I hold down the arrow keys 00:58:37 iow, the only reason to specialize m-i is because you're defining magic for a metaclass 00:59:00 (the return value for key-reapat-enabled-p is correct, and those are the default values for delay and interval) 00:59:35 anyway, 99% of the time your i-i method should be an :after method, and you're fine 00:59:48 i wan't to do (make-instance 'button :text "Click me" :action (lambda (&rest data) (progn (format t "~a clicked~%" (car data)) (gui:exit-thread)))) or some such 00:59:59 fschwidom [n=fschwido@94.219.112.64] has joined #lisp 01:00:08 and have the button drawn on the screen, instead of just returning #