":ths!n=ths@p54A47310.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :some of my best lisp times were using ilisp :)" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :i came to slime 4 months ago :-P" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :ooh, i forgot, my cheap new hack for clisp earlier" ":lisppaste!n=lisppast@common-lisp.net PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss pasted \"most useful 3 lines of code i ever wrote\" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/69538" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :for people without site-systems, or symlinks for that matter" ":slyrus_!n=slyrus@adsl-75-36-211-178.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #lisp :I hate to admit to asking this, but is this is the best way to take a negative (signed byte 8) and compute it's two's complement to do: (- (1+ (lognand -128 #xff))) ?" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :lognot!" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :lognot is the one's complement, sorry" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :slyrus_: (logand number #xFF)?" ":jlf`!n=user@209.204.171.109 QUIT :Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :what's the difference between &rest and &body?" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :communication of intent" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: one is used for macros" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :&body is used to you the rest of the arguments will be the form body" ":jewel!n=jewel@dsl-242-171-245.telkomadsl.co.za QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)" ":slash_!n=Unknown@whgeh0138.cip.uni-regensburg.de QUIT :Client Quit" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: slime will indent &body macro forms differently, for example. it's handy." ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: they have the same effect in other respects." ":dialtone!n=dialtone@208-78-102-169.slicehost.net QUIT :\"leaving\"" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :so technically they're interchangeable, just semantically different, like null and not?" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :+ Xach which is WHY it is used mostly for macros - they indent nicely when you use &body :)" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: they are not semantically different" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: if the editor is smart, you will want to for indentation purposes think of &body just for macros" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :IMO :)" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: not to code, anyway. it's a hint to humans and other tools." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :I see, so body implies code-block." ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: mostly?" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :aesthetically, yes" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :are they allowed in non-macro lambda lists?" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: they are allowed, I believe, and I am sure a small number of people abuse them - I am free to be wrong too ;)" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: I think you're mistaken." ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :Compile-time error: Bad lambda list keyword &BODY in: (&BODY ARGS)" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :You are correct :)" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION got to use http://l1sp.org/search/body to find the right specspot!" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :what do you folks recommend for cheap inter-lisp remote IPC? anything other than S-XML-RPC?" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :read/write? :)" ":housel!n=housel@mccarthy.opendylan.org PRIVMSG #lisp :I like CLORB, but I'm weird that way" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :so to remedy my statement, &body is MOSTLY used in macros, but surely SOME people use &rest which doesn't hurt the code but hurts us humans with smart editors" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp ::P" ":birdsbite!n=user@75.110.164.248 QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :hefner: mostly a feed; just wanna give the world \"services\", the world being my client Corman and Clisp running app" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: Makes sense, thx4info." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :housel: CORBA? haven't touched it since my CMUCL days. does it not suck? :-P" ":housel!n=housel@mccarthy.opendylan.org PRIVMSG #lisp :well, I don't think it sucks, but that's probably a minority opinion" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :what are you running it on?" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :hefner: How do you use read/write when data isn't tree structured?" ":housel!n=housel@mccarthy.opendylan.org PRIVMSG #lisp :In my previous job I used it in Linux SBCL (x86 and x86_64)" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: write and read are for any lisp objects." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: How do they work for circular lists?" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :*PRINT-CIRCLE*" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :#n# and #n=" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :housel: cheers mate!" ":slyrus_!n=slyrus@adsl-75-36-211-178.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: thanks!" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: Wait, does that mean I can just print anything, even a totally ugly bidirectional graph?" ":schoppenhauer!n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer JOIN :#lisp" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: you can print self-referential structure if *print-circle* is t" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :slyrus_: don't thank me, brother...thank Lisp!" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: read the topic :)" ":nurv101`!n=askmefor@bl10-158-83.dsl.telepac.pt QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":lucca!n=lucca@kuu.accela.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: yes, but it will still be totally ugly" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :hefner: These recursive definitions, is there no end to them?" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :it's turtles all the way down." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :lucca: Well, to the eye. At least it means I can save any data, right?" ":qbg!n=qbg@rn084084.morris.umn.edu JOIN :#lisp" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :not all objects are printable" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :hefner: now what, can I not print TCP" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :connections and load them thereafter?" ":benny!n=benny@i577A0DC7.versanet.de QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :I didn't expect that." ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION shakes his sarcasm stick" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :hey now" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :not all objects can be printed readably, but most are printable" ":tritchey!n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :er, yeah" ":Athas!n=athas@0x50a157d6.alb2nxx15.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :and if you really want to be nasty, you could print and \"load\" a TCP connection by abusing #." ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION wants to mention make-load-form and friends, but has never actually used it" ":c|mell!n=cmell@v113243.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp QUIT :\"Instain to the do way\"" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :wow!" ":cemerick!n=la_mer@c-71-232-219-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#lisp" ":b4|hraban!n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":Fractal!i=frax@institutionalized.s0ciopath.org QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :i remember make-load-form, poor-man's AllegroCache backend ;-)" ":blx!i=krille@port-87-193-235-133.static.qsc.de JOIN :#lisp" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: poor-man's AllegroCache was actually what I was looking for. I've been playing around with elephant for a few hours now, perhaps make-load-form will work with more implementations.." ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :how poor? (how much to obtain AllegroCache backend?)" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: Can you even buy it separately?" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :there is code in the CMU AI repo for a M-L-F based object persist thinggie. Highly unrecommended :-P" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :Elephant works out of the box!" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :I don't think so it was more of an academic/rhetorical question :P" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :Elephant, is the third best piece of Lisp free software out there" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :SBCL is the first?" ":antgreen!n=green@nat/redhat/x-281f8c6422c69bf4 PART #lisp :" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: Well, it does *not* work out of the box for me." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: SBCL is an implementation. Slime first, hunchentoot second." ":jtoy!n=jtoy@58.63.171.97 JOIN :#lisp" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: Linux SBCL, running Berkeley DB, ran Sqlite, migrated data successfully. What isn't working for you?" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :the depends are hell (CFFI, CLSQL with various backends, and weird BDB version dependence)" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :installing sbcl didn't really work. cmucl installed successfully, but then elephant couldn't find cl-base64, even after successful installation." ":lemonodor!n=lemonodo@66.43.112.62 QUIT :Read error: 113 (No route to host)" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: ASDF-install is your friend. Do you know how to set ASDF paths to search?" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :we would all love to help you install sbcl." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: I'm new to asdf and just followed install instructions. Let's see if I can get sbcl right first." ":blx!i=krille@port-87-193-235-133.static.qsc.de QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :get sbcl right first. then figure out your emacs, if you want slime." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :elephant is very much worth waiting for (did I plug elephant enough?)" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: You say elephant is better than make-load-form? I don't doubt it." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :elephant is better RDBMS. elephant takes Lisp to the next level. if you hack alone in a dark room, elephant brings with a loud applauding crowd with every evaluated form." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :it's awesome." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :elephant takes relational tables and throws them against the wall like steve balmer throws chairs" ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: that's enough" ":Odin-!n=sbkhh@s121-302.gardur.hi.is QUIT :" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :i'll be here all week :-P" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: That's what I suspicted, and what got me interested. I'm a fan of pgSQL otherwise, but I'm ready to try this out." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :the man has spoken, meingbg" ":cemerick!n=la_mer@c-71-232-219-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: No one can hereafter doubt your sincereness of awe :)" ":mrsolo!n=mrsolo@nat/yahoo/x-94c4714ee346d02b QUIT :\"This computer has gone to sleep\"" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :postmodern is pretty cool for postgresql access." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :brb" ":qbg!n=qbg@rn084084.morris.umn.edu QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: the reason I like pgSQL is because it brings intelligence into the back-end. Since lisp seems good for server programming, I'm gonna find out what elephant can do for me." ":bombshelter13!n=bombshel@209-161-229-68.dsl.look.ca JOIN :#lisp" ":disumu!n=disumu@p57A26018.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#lisp" ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats PRIVMSG #lisp :and postgre was written in lisp in the beginning" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :stassats: Really? I had no idea. It doesn't surprise me, though - the way the system converges towards generality has a lisp-y feel to it." ":schoppenhauer!n=css@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: that was a long ago and i doubt anything remained since then" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :stassats: the concept idea?" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :stassats: i've seen that claimed a few times, but haven't seen much evidence to support it. do you know where i can find some?" ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: there was some pdf with history of postgre" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :allright, I have sbcl source unpacked as root, do I just make;make install?" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: no." ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :wow I might need to check out elephant..." ":lemonodor!n=lemonodo@adsl-76-214-15-172.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#lisp" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: the easiest thing is to grab a binary from sbcl.org and install it first with \"sh install.sh\"" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: slime is definitely the most awesome of awesomes... I considered sbcl in the running because it is freeware and lispy :P" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: then if you want to build from source, you can grab source, then use \"sh make.sh ; sh install.sh\"" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :but I understand the disqualification... what's huchentoot though?" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION will be googling " ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: SBCL is a lisp program, so you need a Lisp compiler to build it." ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: if you don't already have one, you gotta get one (hence getting the binary first)" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: web server." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: I have both clisp and cmucl installed." ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :hunchentoot is the name" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: I don't think those actually work, though cmucl might." ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :in that case, i think you would do \"sh make.sh lisp\"" ":amo_de_muerte!n=amo_de_m@84.79.67.254 JOIN :#lisp" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :clisp is not likely to be worth trying at the moment" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: clisp is the best single-processing Lisp! at least it closes its socket handles when it's done ;-)" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :process a lot of singles, do you?" ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: here http://db.cs.berkeley.edu/jmh/cs262b/postgres.html also stated about lisp" ":sellout!n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: Do you mean it's the best lisp when you're not using threads, or that it's the best lisp that doesn't include thread support?" ":kleppari_!n=spa@nat1-krokhals.netberg.is QUIT :\"Lost terminal\"" ":psil!n=manuel@HSI-KBW-085-216-061-130.hsi.kabelbw.de QUIT :" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :sellout: the later" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :stassats: thanks." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: page 30: http://www.itasoftware.com/careers/SolveThisWorkHerePuzzles.html" ":sellout!n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: I don't think they have 30 pages of puzzles ..." ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: what am i looking for?" ":tcr!n=tcr@host145.natpool.mwn.de QUIT :\"Leaving.\"" ":davazp!n=user@77.Red-83-54-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#lisp" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: \"we decided to try writing POSTGRES in LISP\"" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: i don't see the string \"postgres\" on that page" ":Xach!n=xach@207.5.178.18 PRIVMSG #lisp :or \"lisp\"" ":Yuuhi!i=benni@p5483DAED.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :\"ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)\"" ":r00k!n=ben@216.93.247.56 JOIN :#lisp" ":sellout!n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: Wrong link?" ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats PRIVMSG #lisp :itym http://s2k-ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:8000/postgres/papers/ERL-M90-34.pdf" ":JohnnyL!i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#lisp" ":sohail!n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: oh sorry, wrong link." ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :Heh. The arguments there are... quaint." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :Hence, POSTGRES exceeds 4 mbytes in size, all but 1 mbyte is the LISP compiler, editor and" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :assorted other non required (or even desired) functions. Hence, we suffer from a gigantic footprint." ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#lisp" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :The machine under my desk has 8GB of ram and cost <$1000" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Xach: Yes, it's the link stassats gave." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :stassats: Won Kim's OODBs book lists Postgres as a \"research\" successor to Ingres. But the book mentions many different Lisp based DBs, half as many as C ones actually." ":sohail!n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail JOIN :#lisp" ":maxote!n=maxote@84.79.67.254 QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":dialtone!n=dialtone@c66-235-11-118.sea2.cablespeed.com JOIN :#lisp" ":lisppaste!n=lisppast@common-lisp.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg pasted \"sbcl compilation under cmucl failed\" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/69540" ":sohail!n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail QUIT :\"Leaving\"" ":lichtblau!n=user@port-83-236-3-70.dynamic.qsc.de QUIT :Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)" ":mooglenorph!n=marco@student166-181.hampshire.edu JOIN :#lisp" ":lichtblau!n=user@port-83-236-3-70.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#lisp" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: That's interesting. Would you mind sending the log to the sbcl-devel mailing list?" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: also, what version of CMUCL is this?" ":JuanDaugherty!n=juan@cpe-72-228-150-44.buffalo.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":amo_de_muerte!n=amo_de_m@84.79.67.254 NICK :maxote" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: as a practical matter, I'd recommend just grabbing the SBCL binary distribution from the SBCL web site and installing it, and using it to compile the newest version if necessary." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :chandler: yeah, I'll go for the binaries. How do I see my cmucl version?" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :try -v or -version or --version :-P it should also print it when you start it up" ":pkhuong!n=pkhuong@modemcable125.83-81-70.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #lisp :mm. Fairly certain that *warning* for undefined functions is non-standard." ":pkhuong!n=pkhuong@modemcable125.83-81-70.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #lisp :also, (lisp-implementation-version)." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :cmu common lisp cvs 19d 19d-release (19d)" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :Hm. THat release is two years old." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :chandler: debian. Never updating their packages." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :Yes. Don't install lisp implementations from Debian packages." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :chandler: learned my lesson." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :do you still want me to send the log?" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :Probably not." ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":kleppari!n=spa@nat1-krokhals.netberg.is JOIN :#lisp" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: don't blame debian" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: it's the stable release, its packages never change by mandate because that is how they architected the system - there are always backports ;)" ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats JOIN :#lisp" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :stable only receives patches for stability and security - no new packages are added" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: alternatively, it is the package maintainer, and you're encouraged to not only blame them but poke them and make them update :P" ":Adamant!n=Adamant@unaffiliated/adamant QUIT :" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: I like the fact there are two options." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :I do blame debian for how messed up their Lisp implementation packages are." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :So now I do INSTALL_ROOT=/usr/local sh install.sh in extracted binary root?" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :chandler: again, maintainer's fault, but I haven't had any problems; however I just use SBCL + emacs + slime so I don't have experience with other stuff" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: It is Debian policy to mess up their packages with common-lisp-controller." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION still struggling with s-xml-rpc :-S" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: http://www.sbcl.org/getting.html" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :chandler: unfortunately I am still too new to know what common-lisp-controller is exactly and how it could be messed up... but it is the maintainer's fault :P" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: Oops, I meant to give that link to you." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :merlincorey: It takes over REQUIRE, SBCL's provided ASDF, and other things." ":spiderbyte!n=dcl@unaffiliated/dcl JOIN :#lisp" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :It is meant to provide a \"standard\" way of packaging Lisp libraries, but it really makes it impossible for the upstream maintainers to support Debian users." ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :ach so; I think that is because they offer asdf package as well, but now I am just speculating and it doesn't matter that much" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :understandable; but hopefully debian users are reporting to debian maintainers - it is the maintainer's job to communicate with upstream and mediate problems with users" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :that's in theory of course" ":sohail!n=Sohail@unaffiliated/sohail JOIN :#lisp" ":stassats!n=stassats@wikipedia/stassats PRIVMSG #lisp :c-l-c is defective by design" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :apparently in reality the debian maintainer for lips packages is useless and the users are too eager :P" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :s/lips/lisp/" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :In reality, the users are here, and I am telling them not to use Debian packages." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :touch down! :-P" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :gotta go, feels like a \"roll your own rpc thinggie\" nite :-S" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :\"ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.17/2008082909]\"" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :Sigh." ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :there there" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#lisp" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION presents chandler with a beer" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :I've already had most of a bottle of wine, so that's probably not what I need at the moment." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#lisp" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION presents chandler with a head of cheese" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp ::P" ":hefner!n=hefner@c-68-50-101-139.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :I love how every time X blows up and I reconnect, it sounds like I've missed something terribly interesting" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :fusss: That didn't last long." ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :hefner: No, you haven't." ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :chandler: the xmlrpc site is hosed" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :just gotta show you guys something" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :have a good night folks" ":merlincorey!n=merlin@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION waves" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :nite merlincorey" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :wow, the site just gave me a weird error \"C:\\Program Files\\Opal\\Index.htm not found\", but server string footer said it was hosted on Mac OS X :-P NFS webroot?" ":chandler!n=chandler@opendarwin/developer/chandler PRIVMSG #lisp :Link?" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :http://www.xmlrpc.com/spec" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :it's back up again" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :shoulda screenshot" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net PRIVMSG #lisp :anyway, nite folks!" ":fusss!n=chatzill@pool-72-66-40-106.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Client Quit" ":davazp!n=user@77.Red-83-54-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":rpg!n=rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com QUIT :" ":elurin!n=user@81.213.203.109 QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":Aisling!i=ash@blk-137-73-33.eastlink.ca QUIT :\"leaving\"" ":JohnnyL!i=JohnnyL@ool-182ddad4.dyn.optonline.net PART #lisp :" ":tritchey!n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net JOIN :#lisp" ":``Erik__!i=erik@c-68-54-174-162.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#lisp" ":``Erik_!i=erik@c-68-54-174-162.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":``Erik__!i=erik@c-68-54-174-162.hsd1.md.comcast.net NICK :``Erik_" ":Eleanore!n=a@c-6470e155.185-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":Aisling!i=ash@blk-137-73-33.eastlink.ca JOIN :#lisp" ":rtoym!n=chatzill@user-0c8hpll.cable.mindspring.com JOIN :#lisp" ":lemonodor!n=lemonodo@adsl-76-214-15-172.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net QUIT :" ":plutonas!n=plutonas@h-188-232.A189.priv.bahnhof.se PART #lisp :\"Killed buffer\"" ":fe[nl]ix!n=algidus@217.203.137.186 JOIN :#lisp" ":photon!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon JOIN :#lisp" ":tritchey!n=tritchey@c-98-226-113-211.hsd1.in.comcast.net QUIT :" ":mooglenorph!n=marco@student166-181.hampshire.edu QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :anybody awake? got problems getting elephant running." ":rtoym!n=chatzill@user-0c8hpll.cable.mindspring.com PRIVMSG #lisp :ACTION is awake, but doesn't know anything about elephant." ":ahaas!n=ahaas@c-76-17-41-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: The best way to find out is just to ask your question." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :(asdf:operate 'asdf:load-op :elephant) is complaining about some fasl file in elephant that's been compiled with sbcl 1.0.11.18 and can't be loaded into sbcl 1.0.20. I though that command would actually recompile the lib's?" ":sykopomp!n=user@unaffiliated/sykopomp PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: isn't there a restart?" ":sykopomp!n=user@unaffiliated/sykopomp PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: if not, just delete the old .fasl and try it again." ":ahaas!n=ahaas@c-76-17-41-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg: I'm not sure about that, but you can delete the existing fasls and compile it again." ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :heh, just found it. sorry to bother." ":kidd2!n=kidd@167.Red-79-147-12.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":kidd2!n=kidd@167.Red-79-147-12.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#lisp" ":milanj!n=milan@79.101.149.147 JOIN :#lisp" ":kpreid!n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-12-135.twcny.res.rr.com QUIT :" ":kpreid!n=kpreid@cpe-67-242-12-135.twcny.res.rr.com JOIN :#lisp" ":hippee-lee!n=hippee-l@71-208-71-7.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#lisp" ":hippee-lee!n=hippee-l@71-208-71-7.hlrn.qwest.net QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":lisppaste!n=lisppast@common-lisp.net PRIVMSG #lisp :meingbg annotated #69540 with \"elephant memory fault\" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/69540#1" ":Buganini!n=buganini@cnmc12.hs.ntnu.edu.tw JOIN :#lisp" ":b4|hraban!n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl JOIN :#lisp" ":meingbg!n=user@remote2.student.chalmers.se PRIVMSG #lisp :Does anyone have an idea?" ":djinni`!n=djinni`@ludios.net QUIT :Remote closed the connection" ":djinni`!n=djinni`@ludios.net JOIN :#lisp" ":mindCrime!n=chatzill@cpe-075-177-141-190.nc.res.rr.com JOIN :#lisp" ":kidd2!n=kidd@167.Red-79-147-12.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":kidd2!n=kidd@167.Red-79-147-12.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#lisp" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)" ":epoch!n=K-I-S-S@p3m/member/epoch QUIT :\"  \"" ":``Erik!n=erik@ftp.brlcad.org PRIVMSG #lisp :I've fallen into the habit of deleting all my fasl's every time sbcl gets updated. There's a chunk of code that gets added to an asdf hook to force recompile on outdated fasl on I think cliki, but it's been hit or miss for me" ":sellout!n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #lisp :I just use asdf-binary-locations" ":kuhzoo1!n=kuhzoo@office.01.com NICK :kuhzoo" ":jeremiah!n=jeremiah@31.Red-213-98-123.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#lisp" ":milanj!n=milan@79.101.149.147 QUIT :\"This computer has gone to sleep\"" ":dialtone_!n=dialtone@24.143.65.167 JOIN :#lisp" ":fe[nl]ix!n=algidus@217.203.137.186 QUIT :\"Valete!\"" ":dialtone!n=dialtone@c66-235-11-118.sea2.cablespeed.com QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":envi^home!n=envi@220.121.234.156 JOIN :#lisp" ":b4|hraban!n=b4@0brg.xs4all.nl QUIT :\"Leaving\"" ":Piranha__!i=jabber-i@number-41.thoughtcrime.us PART #lisp :" ":sunwukong!n=vukung@203-165-96-155.rev.home.ne.jp JOIN :#lisp" ":pinterface1!n=pixel@knvl-static-09-0024.dsl.iowatelecom.net QUIT :\"Leaving.\"" ":pinterface!n=pixel@knvl-static-09-0024.dsl.iowatelecom.net JOIN :#lisp" ":envi_home!n=envi@220.121.234.156 JOIN :#lisp" ":photon!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":envi^home!n=envi@220.121.234.156 QUIT :Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)" ":photon!n=photon@unaffiliated/photon JOIN :#lisp" ":disumu!n=disumu@p57A26018.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :\"zzz\"" ":envi_home!n=envi@220.121.234.156 NICK :envi^home" ":bighouse!n=bighouse@modemcable012.160-131-66.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#lisp" ":stassats`!n=stassats@ppp78-37-13-160.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru JOIN :#lisp"