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2014-05-01T16:05:35Z jtza8: In order to get Cocoa (not the IDE) to work in CCL it has to run on the main thread. In the OpenGL example that uses GLUT (which uses Cocoa) it seems as though the main thread is used primarily for the CCL:HOUSE-KEEPING-LOOP function. So the solution seems to be, run CCL:HOUSEKEEPING-LOOP on a different thread, and then interrupt and use the main thread for Cocoa. Once that's done, use PROCESS-RESET to cleanly exit the housekeeping threa
2014-05-01T16:07:27Z pjb: I don't know. I just (require :cocoa) and everything works as it should.
2014-05-01T16:07:48Z pjb: Just be careful to use on-main-thread when running some stuff from swank.
2014-05-01T16:12:03Z rme: jtza8: You got cut off at "exit the housekeeping threa....". http://ccl.clozure.com/~rme/no-nib-cocoa.lisp is an example of initializing and running a Cocoa app without the IDE.  I think it still works.
2014-05-01T16:17:55Z jtza8: Thanks rme, pjb.
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2014-05-01T17:18:55Z jtza8: rme: If I may ask, why do you wrap the threads in CCL::WITH-STANDARD-INITIAL-BINDINGS on line 151 of the aforementioned file?
2014-05-01T17:19:51Z jtza8: n.m. I see that's only the housekeeping thread.
2014-05-01T17:25:07Z jtza8: *Rather: It's probably for the housekeeping thread's sake? Probably a way to make sure post-initialisation state doesn't messup housekeeping?
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2014-05-02T16:56:11Z Odin-: The documentation says to download and then do a rebuild. Is that correctly understood?
2014-05-02T17:05:08Z rme: Yes.svn co ...
2014-05-02T17:05:11Z rme: svn co...
2014-05-02T17:05:49Z rme: then start the newly downloaded lisp and do (rebuild-ccl :full t).
2014-05-02T17:07:01Z Odin-: 'k. Means I'm not doing something wrong. :p
2014-05-02T17:07:29Z rme: This is because the bootstrapping binaries in the repository (or in the tar file) will probably not correspond exactly to the sources (which probably contain bug fixes).
2014-05-02T17:07:51Z Odin-: I've tried a few times, and it consistently fails with an assembler error.
2014-05-02T17:07:58Z rme: install m4
2014-05-02T17:08:40Z rme: (just a guess)
2014-05-02T17:08:41Z Odin-: It's installed.
2014-05-02T17:08:47Z rme: What's the error?
2014-05-02T17:10:25Z Odin-: http://paste.lisp.org/display/142369
2014-05-02T17:11:07Z rme: Are you trying to build the 1.9 release?
2014-05-02T17:11:43Z Odin-: Tried 1.7, 1.8 and 1.9. Always the same error.
2014-05-02T17:12:07Z rme: OK.  I remember fixing that in the trunk.  I'll merge the fix to 1.9 if you'll give me a few minutes.
2014-05-02T17:14:34Z rme: OK, please svn up and try building again.
2014-05-02T17:20:46Z Odin-: And now it works. Thank you.
2014-05-02T17:20:52Z Odin-: What was it?
2014-05-02T17:21:45Z rme: Newer assemblers seem to be pickier about requiring an operand size suffix in some cases.
2014-05-02T17:23:41Z Odin-: Behaviour change in gas, which is why it messes with all the versions rather than impacting just one, then.
2014-05-02T17:23:53Z Odin-: Seems kinda harsh.
2014-05-02T17:25:00Z rme: Yes.  They want you to say cmpw $8, %ax whereas they used to accept cmpw $2, %rax
2014-05-02T17:25:24Z rme: The $8 or the $2 doesn't matter, of course.
2014-05-02T17:32:12Z Odin-: Not being well-versed in assembly, I'm going to assume the difference is of operand size, as about all I know is that 'ax' was one of the original registers. 8)
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2014-05-03T07:27:36Z leo2007: can anyone help with this http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.openmcl.devel/9135
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2014-05-03T08:58:03Z pjb: leo2007: Yes, I can. Read this: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.openmcl.devel/9135
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2014-05-04T07:23:18Z pjb: Hi leo2007!
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2014-05-04T07:45:00Z leo2007: pjb: hi
2014-05-04T08:14:31Z pjb: So did you read the message you pasted?
2014-05-04T08:14:41Z pjb: It contains the answer to your question! ;-)
2014-05-04T08:15:46Z leo2007: pjb: you mean http://article.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.openmcl.devel/9135
2014-05-04T08:16:07Z pjb: Yes.
2014-05-04T08:16:31Z pjb: "According to Apple's conventions, because _LSCopyAllApplicationURLs has the word "copy" in it, you "own" whatever it returns, and must release it when you're done with it."
2014-05-04T08:17:06Z pjb: In the following file, you don't call #/release or #/autorelease on the array returned by  #_LSCopyAllApplicationURLs.  You should
2014-05-04T08:17:09Z pjb: .
2014-05-04T08:17:59Z pjb: Now, since _LSCopyAllApplicationURLs is an undocumented private function, anything could happen.  Nobody can help you: those who know are not allowed to tell you by NDA, and those who don't can only guess as you.
2014-05-04T08:18:42Z pjb: One solution would be to get hired by Apple to have access to the documentation or implementation of the private functions :-)
2014-05-04T08:18:54Z leo2007: but in my second example `default-application' I use LSGetApplicationForURL which still causes memleak.
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2014-05-04T08:19:48Z leo2007: The function looks like this http://bpaste.net/show/257980
2014-05-04T08:20:44Z pjb: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Carbon/reference/LaunchServicesReference/Reference/reference.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000998-CH1g-F16946 says about the outAppURL: "Despite the absence of the word Copy in its name, this function retains the URL reference object on your behalf; you are responsible for releasing this object."
2014-05-04T08:21:09Z pjb: So you need to call (#/release appurl) when you're done with it.
2014-05-04T08:21:24Z pjb: I would use a unwind-protect here.
2014-05-04T08:22:17Z pjb: AFAICS< in default-application, the with-autorelease-pool is not useful.  Unless you call it thousands of times in a loop :-)
2014-05-04T08:24:27Z leo2007: pjb: I put a #/autorelease around the call to LSGetApplicationForURL.
2014-05-04T08:25:04Z pjb: LSGetApplicationForURL returns an integer status!
2014-05-04T08:25:14Z leo2007: pjb: thanks for pointing that out. I have been confused until just now.
2014-05-04T08:25:45Z leo2007: I mean on the nsurl object.
2014-05-04T08:25:56Z pjb: You can also #/autorelease appurl instead of #/release, but if it has only dynamic extend, there's no point in going into the complication of the autorelease pool. You can release it right away.
2014-05-04T08:26:22Z pjb: fileURLWithPath: already returns it autoreleased.
2014-05-04T08:26:50Z pjb: There are two NSURL objects there, url and apurl. Which one do you mean?
2014-05-04T08:26:51Z leo2007: but you only call #/release after done using the object, right? this can be inconvenient.
2014-05-04T08:27:02Z leo2007: pjb: appurl
2014-05-04T08:28:47Z pjb: Again, it depend on the dynamic extent of the object. If you're done with it, you can release it.  If you want to pass it along to another function, then you may call autorelease.  It might be good to follow Apple convention.
2014-05-04T08:30:18Z leo2007: pjb: OK and thanks a lot for your help!
2014-05-04T08:32:02Z leo2007: pjb: BTW after using ccls reader macros for a while I seem to be addicted.
2014-05-04T08:32:28Z pjb: You mean #/ or my objcl: [object message:argument] ?
2014-05-04T08:32:41Z leo2007: I mean #_ #$ #/ $> etc.
2014-05-04T08:33:18Z pjb: I find it a PITA.  When you need to port old code, this is the kind of thing that you wish wouldn't exist.
2014-05-04T08:33:33Z pjb: Even my [] macro, I try to use it only in low level modules.
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2014-05-06T13:16:32Z leo2007: can macroexpand-1 in ccl preserve unexpaned backquote form like in sbcl?
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2014-05-06T16:28:17Z gz: leo2007: by default in ccl backquote is full expanded at read time.
2014-05-06T16:31:02Z gz: but you can set ccl::*backquote-expand* to nil then it will be preserved.
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2014-05-07T04:34:35Z leo2007: but my svn co of ccl seems to require 2.14 and 2.15 and ccl64 refuse to start.
2014-05-07T04:34:42Z leo2007: what to do?
2014-05-07T04:37:11Z leo2007: rebuild and it works now.
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2014-05-09T18:54:00Z Fare: Hi — can you upgrade CCL's ASDF to 3.1.2 ?
2014-05-09T18:56:53Z rme: I'll try to take a look at it today.
2014-05-09T18:58:29Z Fare: thanks a lot
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2014-05-15T21:02:01Z jaimef: [WARNING]] Can't handle a new request, too many request threads already
2014-05-15T21:02:08Z jaimef: sitting in repl. is there a way to list the threads?
2014-05-15T21:02:27Z pjb`: (map nil 'print (bt:all-threads))
2014-05-15T21:02:33Z rme: :proc
2014-05-15T21:02:34Z pjb`: (ql:quickload :bordeaux-threads) first.
2014-05-15T21:02:58Z pjb`: :proc doesn't work at the REPL, perhaps in the debugger?
2014-05-15T21:03:42Z jaimef: hmm a lot in semaphore wait
2014-05-15T21:04:37Z jaimef: been restarting to fix this
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2014-05-15T21:43:00Z billstclair: (ccl:all-processes)
2014-05-15T21:43:06Z billstclair: Same as (bt:all-threads)
2014-05-15T21:44:00Z billstclair: jaimef: running Hunchentoot?
2014-05-15T21:45:52Z billstclair: Looks like it, at least I see that error message in Hunchentoot's taskmaster.lisp
2014-05-15T21:46:39Z billstclair: Seems your processing code isn't returning
2014-05-15T21:46:48Z billstclair: Deadlocked?
2014-05-15T21:47:44Z jaimef: billstclair: yes
2014-05-15T21:49:37Z jaimef: billstclair: https://gist.github.com/73cc1c234f5e0c37ff3a is the code
2014-05-15T21:50:48Z billstclair: That looks like a client for your Hunchentoot code
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2014-05-16T01:29:43Z dnm: Probably the wrong place for this, but does anyone know offhand if there's a "normal" way to build a PE/PE+ binary on Windows, given a saved Lisp image. This would be for ACL2.
2014-05-16T01:30:51Z rme: I believe that (save-application "foo.exe" :prepend-kernel t) should work on Windows.
2014-05-16T01:31:04Z dnm: ACL2's instructions result in a (working) saved Lisp image and a shell script one hand-modifies into a batch script to invoke a CCL binary with arguments pointing to the image, but some other ACL2 front-ends seem to expect an "executable", without really defining what that is. I'm *assuming* they want an OS-native executable, but am kind of guessing. Certainly pointing to the batch script is a
2014-05-16T01:31:04Z dnm: non-starter.
2014-05-16T01:31:12Z dnm: rme: Thanks, I'll try that.
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2014-05-16T23:17:38Z jaimef: billstclair: https://gist.github.com/54e82031348208a46005 is the proper program
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2014-05-17T13:35:48Z billstclair: jaimef: works for me on my iMac, running "Version 1.9-r16025M  (DarwinX8664)"
2014-05-17T13:36:30Z billstclair: But I just visited all the URLs
2014-05-17T13:39:50Z billstclair: (dotimes (i 1000)(drakma:http-request "http://localhost:8080/")) doesn't crash it
2014-05-17T13:40:30Z billstclair: And takes about 2 seconds, or 2 milliseconds per request
2014-05-17T13:40:50Z billstclair: Quad-core 2.7GHz
2014-05-17T13:41:07Z billstclair: Intel I5
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2014-05-18T08:36:30Z pjb: Do you realize that the disassemble output depends on the target processor?
2014-05-18T08:51:23Z leo2007: pjb: i do but there can still be documentation.
2014-05-18T09:30:34Z pjb: What is not self explaining in the output of disassemble?
2014-05-18T09:31:52Z pjb: You need to know the processor instructions and addressing modes anyways.  Again, this is found in the reference manual of the given processor.  All the rest is super obvious!
2014-05-18T09:40:56Z leo2007: pjb: thinks like (:^ ...) (@ ..) aren't obvious to me.
2014-05-18T09:41:02Z leo2007: s/thinks/things/
2014-05-18T09:45:43Z pjb: leo2007: they would be if you knew the addressing modes of the processor.
2014-05-18T09:47:09Z pjb: (% reg) is used to refer to a register.  (:^ L) is used to refer to a PC relative offset , and (@ …) is used for the various indexed addressing modes.
2014-05-18T09:47:33Z pjb: ($ n) is for immediate values.
2014-05-18T09:48:23Z pjb: Again, you need to learn about the processor.
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