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2015-01-02T21:17:21Z lispm: I wonder how completion works in the CCL IDE
2015-01-02T21:19:24Z rme: lispm: How it is implemented, or how to activate it?
2015-01-02T21:19:36Z lispm: how to use it
2015-01-02T21:20:01Z rme: M-/
2015-01-02T21:20:59Z rme: Type "(liv", press M-/, get "(lisp-implementation-version"
2015-01-02T21:21:33Z rme: Press M-/ multiple times to replace the completion with another candidate.
2015-01-02T21:21:42Z lispm: Hmm, that's what I'm looking for, but it does not work for me
2015-01-02T21:22:06Z lispm: m-/  outputs   \
2015-01-02T21:22:22Z lispm: typing option-\
2015-01-02T21:22:57Z rme: M-` (that's meta-backquote) also is supposed to work.
2015-01-02T21:23:36Z rme: What about Esc-/
2015-01-02T21:24:06Z lispm: that works
2015-01-02T21:24:08Z lispm: :-)
2015-01-02T21:24:33Z rme: There's a checkbox in the Preferences panel that lets the user choose whether to use the Option key as a Meta key.  It may be off on your system.
2015-01-02T21:24:39Z lispm: problem: using a German keyboard
2015-01-02T21:24:44Z lispm: I had it on
2015-01-02T21:24:52Z lispm: the option checkbox
2015-01-02T21:25:36Z rme: Oh.  Sorry about that.  I have never used a German keyboard, so I never noticed it might cause a problem.
2015-01-02T21:27:06Z lispm: is there a command name for the completion?
2015-01-02T21:27:25Z lispm: I could not find it in the  hemlock commands dialog
2015-01-02T21:27:35Z rme: It's called "Expand Dynamic Abbreviation".
2015-01-02T21:27:57Z lispm: Wow!
2015-01-02T21:28:07Z lispm: I would have never found that - many thanks!
2015-01-02T21:28:13Z rme: I have no idea where that name came from.
2015-01-02T21:29:16Z lispm: Looks like Hemlock wording
2015-01-02T21:35:03Z lispm: is there an overview of keyboard commands somewhere?
2015-01-02T21:36:35Z lispm: can't find it in the html documentation
2015-01-02T21:37:29Z rme: The file ccl/cocoa-ide/hemlock/src/bindings.lisp is where the key bindings are set up.
2015-01-02T21:39:22Z rme: Also, C-h h might show something semi-useful.
2015-01-02T21:41:59Z lispm: the Lisp Mode overview is kind of brief
2015-01-02T21:42:20Z rme: I would have to agree.
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2015-01-02T21:46:40Z lispm: the bindings.lisp file is useful
2015-01-02T21:47:04Z lispm: still it would be good to have some of that described in the documentation...
2015-01-02T21:47:59Z lispm: makes it sense to send some basic usability feedback?
2015-01-02T21:48:09Z lispm: about the Clozure CL IDE?
2015-01-02T21:49:09Z rme: If you feel like making some quick notes, I'd be interested to hear what you have to say.  Please don't spend a lot of time doing it, though.
2015-01-02T21:49:56Z rme: You could send private mail to (rme@clozure.com) or send to openmcl-devel@clozure.com if you want.
2015-01-02T21:50:04Z rme: Believe me, I know that the IDE has a lot of shortcomings.
2015-01-02T21:50:17Z lispm: I know that you know ;-)
2015-01-02T21:50:33Z lispm: I know that time and resources are limited
2015-01-02T21:52:22Z lispm: My basic feeling about the IDE: I'd like to use it more. It lacks some basic polish. With some work (whatever that means ;-) ) it could be improved so that the editing/development experiences is a bit smoother
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2015-01-02T21:53:05Z lispm: I'll send some (raw) notes next week
2015-01-02T21:53:13Z rme: Thanks.
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