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SO you can boot it on Qemu, running just the barest linux and ccl. 10:39:17 (ccl:quit) == halt -p 10:51:21 pjb: at the moment I'm not using X11 so maybe I have to use -curses option. Which kind of "linux box" I have to use? I've tried to load a debian iso whitout succes.. because qemu not found a kernel to boot.. :( 10:53:36 *I've not yet installed X11.. 10:55:34 pjb: ..do you intend a sort of busybox? 10:57:00 I'm not able to run it.. because of some strange core dumped problems 11:04:45 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:06:32 Hans-Martin [~quassel@2001:4dd0:ff00:9100:9dfc:2671:682f:bba] has joined #ccl 11:06:46 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 11:08:20 pnpuff: any CL implementation IS a busybox in itself. 11:08:29 So yes, it's a busybox configuration. 11:12:26 pnpuff_ [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 11:12:33 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:14:45 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 11:26:34 -!- Fare [~fare@31.37.158.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:53:57 clear 12:09:16 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:42:26 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 13:20:51 pjb: now I'm downloading glibc-2.3.3 needed to load the lx86cl lisp kernel by means of the ccl script. There is any alternative to the glibc libraries? 13:21:14 -!- jasom [~aidenn@ip70-191-80-19.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:21:18 anyway ldd lx86cl seems ok.. 13:25:15 Fare [~fare@78.251.120.68] has joined #ccl 13:33:40 -!- Fare [~fare@78.251.120.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:42:58 There are indeed other standard C libraries than glibc. Some optimized for space, etc. 13:43:41 mmm 13:44:06 why libpthread requires glibc to me? 13:44:22 it's written in C. 13:46:27 Fare [~fare@78.251.126.36] has joined #ccl 13:47:37 pjb: even libc libn libdl.. I think 13:47:48 *libdm 13:47:53 ldd can help. 13:49:54 ldd /data/src/languages/ccl/ccl-trunk-linuxx86/lx86cl64 --> linux-vdso.so.1 ; libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 ; libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 ; libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 ; libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 ; /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 13:51:11 ok.. 13:51:36 all is fine, but when I try to run the executable i obtain a stange error 13:52:49 seems that glibc-2.3.3 is required by libpthread.so.0 13:53:24 but i do not understand. 13:54:08 Well, ldd cannot find the dynamic dependencies, those that are established at run time with dlopen. 13:54:35 so if it's needed, add it. 14:18:36 -!- Fare [~fare@78.251.126.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:22:21 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:27:25 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 15:14:21 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:17:36 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 15:22:09 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:30:15 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 15:45:01 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #ccl 16:15:55 -!- mdc_mobile [mdc@clozure-95EBCF81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 16:16:50 mdc_ [~mdc_mobil@c-67-188-115-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 16:16:50 -!- mdc_mobile [~mdc_mobil@c-67-188-115-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:57 -!- mdc_ is now known as mdc_mobile 16:27:09 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:46:51 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 16:57:56 rme [~rme@50.43.135.203] has joined #ccl 17:00:58 -!- mdc_mobile [mdc@clozure-95EBCF81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 17:01:10 mdc_ [~mdc_mobil@c-67-188-115-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 17:01:10 -!- mdc_mobile [~mdc_mobil@c-67-188-115-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:17 -!- mdc_ is now known as mdc_mobile 17:02:15 -!- pnpuff is now known as pnpuff_hkg3 17:09:11 -!- pnpuff_hkg3 is now known as pnpuff_m82 17:12:14 -!- pnpuff_m82 is now known as pnpuff 17:13:17 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 17:13:40 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 17:44:49 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:06 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #ccl 17:56:26 hi,i suppose there is a bug in run-program when i'm using utf-8 external-format and the args contains any non ascii characters 17:56:53 i suppose the call-with-string-vector function cause this bug 17:57:10 (run-program "echo" '("aa") :output *standard-output*) 17:57:42 i should get ab ,but i get aKa 17:58:07 and i have a patch can solve this problem http://paste.lisp.org/display/135386 18:00:17 I'm sorry for my poor english. :) 18:06:42 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 18:06:51 cfy: thanks. 18:07:32 gbyers: will it be merged into ccl 1.9? 18:08:25 :) 18:09:12 It or something with the same effect, yes. 18:09:27 oh,thanks :D 18:39:27 I have to recmpile the clozure lisp kernel for a non supported platform but I do not know the logical steps to do it. any suggestion, please? 18:39:27 *recompile.. 18:44:56 the problem i'm experimenting is that there is a reference to an anavailable glibc version, as reported in the "ReleaseNotes/1.8". to circumvent this problem my only hope is the recompilatio of kernel, i think, but i do not know how begin.. 18:46:51 my question is: why there are so many archives for so many platforms? Where are the source files to start a possible porting? 18:48:25 http://ccl.clozure.com/ccl-documentation.html#building-ccl-from-source 18:48:34 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:35 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #ccl 18:55:03 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:56:19 pnpuff: there are basically a single source tree for all the platforms. 18:56:39 pnpuff: but to compile those sources, you need runnable ccl binaries. 18:57:15 pnpuff: that's why there are subdirectories for each supported platform, where the binaries are stored, along with the sources. 18:57:45 pnpuff: you will need a platform where you can run ccl to do cross-development to port it to a new platform. 18:59:17 -!- Hans-Martin [~quassel@2001:4dd0:ff00:9100:9dfc:2671:682f:bba] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:41 pjb: yes, infact to recompile the kernel I have need of a running ccl.. 19:00:56 Hence Qemu. 19:01:24 http://blog.aurel32.net/46 19:07:43 pnpuff: You don't need a running ccl to compile the lisp kernel. cd lisp-kernel/linuxx8664 && make. Please read the manual. 19:08:41 rme: make on a _non supported_ platform give you a lot of strange errors 19:11:09 so linuxx8664 or linuxx8632 is useful only if there is a linux emulation or a linux running on a vm 19:13:48 pjb: I had tried to run tinycore, debian and slack on qemu (with -curses option) but without success.. 19:16:34 because, at the moment, I can not use SDL.. 19:24:18 I'm not in a graphical mode, only textual mode at the moment 19:27:47 pnpuff: why don't you just read the web pages??? https://www.informatimago.com/articles/raspberrypi/ccl-sur-qemu.html 19:28:19 pjb: I habe only lynx to surf the web now.. :( 19:28:26 Of course, it is much simplier if you just take a normal x86 linux qemu image and emulate x86 with qemu. 19:34:01 lynx is quite good for the kind of page you need to read to do that. 19:34:53 sure, but i'm not able to --dump to the needed web page :) 19:34:58 *dump 19:40:28 pnpuff: It should not be a surprise that ccl doesn't run on an unsupported platform. 19:41:31 It would probably take an expert about a week to port ccl to some other Unix-like platform. 19:42:54 So, become an expert and spend that week! 19:42:55 rme: a week? 19:43:07 Yes, it's not that hard. Just become an expert! Already! 19:44:09 pjb: but to become an expert are needed seven years... :( 19:44:36 or more.. 20:04:30 pnpuff_ [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 20:06:51 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:07:51 pjb: with wget http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/... I obtain an HTML text document.Maybe is better use a mirror like http://www.rpimirror.co.uk to download the ****-**-**-wheezy-raspbian.zip file 20:09:24 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 20:14:23 yes, echo $(lynx --dump http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/) seems ok. 20:14:40 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:00 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:18 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #ccl 22:00:25 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: "people said i was dumb, but i proved them"] 22:50:11 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #ccl 22:55:01 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16:20 -!- mdc_mobile [~mdc_mobil@c-67-188-115-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:16:36 mdc_mobile [~mdc_mobil@c-67-188-115-120.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ccl