02:35:54 -!- rme [rme@925CAFE6.4F96F671.699BA7A6.IP] has quit [Quit: rme] 02:35:55 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.136.254] has quit [Quit: rme] 03:48:58 -!- alms_ [~alms_@209-6-130-32.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: alms_] 07:23:50 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #ccl 09:30:19 -!- Intensity [XBqzWttSqK@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:54:36 Intensity [4c1eFHrfL0@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #ccl 10:35:17 pirateking_ [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 12:15:04 rme [~rme@50.43.136.254] has joined #ccl 12:35:02 -!- pirateking_ is now known as pirateking-_- 13:26:11 was the default external-format recently changed? I saw a big discussion but I'm not sure what the resolution was 13:40:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.lisp.slime.devel/10762 13:40:33 this is the only recent change i am aware of 13:40:43 ah thanks 13:41:19 it seems like *default-file-character-encoding* is NIL on a slightly old svn (1.8-dev-r15074) but is now :utf-8 on the more recent 1.9-dev-15272M-trunk 13:42:31 what do you guys recommend for keeping up to date on the latest ccl stable version 13:42:47 I'm using homebrew on mac with the clozure-cl formula 13:42:50 its on 1.7 though 13:43:12 clop: it was changed to utf-8 in trunk quite recently 13:43:29 pirateking-_-, i just randomly update, which probably isn't the right way to do it. :) 13:44:03 rme, thanks, we just have a couple issues to work out on it but I think it will be easy 13:44:16 according to http://ccl.clozure.com/download.html, i guess 1.7 is the latest stable? 13:44:31 clop: if it causes heartburn in an important way, please make a ticket. 13:45:18 pirateking-_-: 1.7 is current. I've been threatening to make a 1.8 release real soon now, though. I was hoping to do it this past weekend, but I wasn't able to. 13:45:48 awesome, look forward to it. 13:46:10 This week, I hope. 13:46:25 is there an official github repository for the ccl project? or is git not being used for the project 13:47:01 We maintain our own Subversion repository for ccl. 13:47:44 cool just wondering, because i found an unofficial mirror on github 14:08:16 alms_ [~alms_@209-6-130-32.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 14:17:30 milanj [~milanj_@212-200-192-196.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #ccl 14:32:53 clop: by the way, the change to utf-8 was http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/changeset/15236 15:01:42 is there a way to get the standard input/output stream to be iso-8859-1 encoded also? it seems that its default encoding is NIL but it is still letting me enter '[unicode smiley face] 15:07:56 The lisp just gets whatever the terminal gives it. If you do (defparameter *s* (read-line)) and enter the unicode smiley face (#\u+263a), what's (length *s*)? If the terminal is sending utf-8 and the lisp is expecting iso-8859-1, the length will not be 1. It will be 3. 15:08:34 But you can specify "-K " when starting the lisp to set the encoding for *terminal-io*. 15:08:46 ok that sounds good 15:10:11 is there a non-command-line option approach to configuring it, too? 15:10:17 sorry to be a pest about it 15:10:27 it's really a terrible story... :( 15:10:50 If you save an image after starting up with -K , the encoding will stick. 15:10:55 Character encoding is an ugly thing. 15:12:06 rme: thanks, that is possibly very useful 15:12:22 so very ugly :( 15:17:48 i can only wonder how much programmer time has been spent on things like date-times, character encoding, and floating point issues... 15:29:28 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:31:32 keeps us employed, i guess :( 17:53:15 clop: I actually think that utf-8 is a bad default; the change was made largely to point that out and end that otherwise endless disussion. 18:05:56 gbyers, i was a bit surprised you guys changed it, but it seems fine 18:06:08 the workaround for us is just a few lines to reset everything to iso-8859-1 18:06:46 mainly because ACL2 only believes in 256 characters (sort of as a very hard to change part of its its logic, from the early 90s when it was designed) 18:07:31 That's a good counterexample to the claim that "everything in the world is utf-8 these days". 18:49:34 maybe... utf-8 by default seems basically reasonable, i guess... it'd sort of be nice if "everything is utf-8" were true 19:20:14 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ccl 20:16:40 -!- superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: superjudge] 21:00:54 Not that I'm in a rush, but out of curiosity, is there a countdown, ETA, or remaining-must-fix-bugs-list until a 1.8 release? 21:01:26 dnm: I wanted to get it out this weeked, but I wasn't able to. I am shooting for this week. 21:01:30 Woops, just read scrollback and saw rme's comment to pirateking-_- 21:01:32 *dnm* nods 21:01:40 rme: Sorry, should have read more first. 21:49:47 -!- milanj [~milanj_@212-200-192-196.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:48:06 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]