00:15:00 Modius [~Modius@cpe-70-123-140-183.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ccl 01:09:07 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-184-177-169.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:30:06 alms_ [~alms_@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 01:30:55 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:33:10 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #ccl 02:35:51 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-24-61-13-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:02:57 gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 03:04:37 -!- gz` [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:30:49 gbyers: Just wondering if that GC/thread bug I was able to reproduce is the kind of thing that would get worked on any time soon. This is interest, not pressure. 04:32:29 I'm not gbyers, but we talked about it on our weekly call today, and I know he's looking at it. It will get fixed. 04:37:21 Modius: Also, I make a Trac ticket for it, if you want to keep an eye on it. See http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/ticket/862 04:38:06 rme: Thanks. I don't want to seem pushy - I ain't paying you :) 04:38:27 It's like a gift - if something can be crashed, I'll do it very quickly :) 04:39:00 CCL really interests me as of all the free implementations it has the best hope of being rocksolid full featured (i.e. with threads, useful) on Win, Mac and Linux 04:40:47 Windows isn't our everyday hacking platform, so bug reports like yours are helpful. 04:41:28 There is a psychological barrier to using a tool without, at least the fantasy in the back of your mind, that you could write a prod grade app with it. Many of us come to lisp from the windows world . . . CCL is curretly the best free hope there. 04:42:05 (Heck, I remember 6 years ago wondering "okay, how can I create a project file and start adding source files. . . .") 04:44:45 Barring ram as an issue, is there much stopping CCL from going onto iOS? 04:45:09 And if the compiler could be removed, would that shrink it enough to fit? 04:45:47 We showed ccl running on a jailbroken iPad at the most recent ILC in Reno. 04:46:20 Can it be put into a static lib and imported into XCode? 04:47:08 CCL isn't designed with embedding in mind. It wants to rule its own address space with an iron hand. 04:48:23 The main problem with iOS is that a writeable page can't be made executable. This makes it tough to compile and run lisp functions. 04:49:13 So you can't load an image, the image has to be itself linked into the executable. . . :( 04:49:22 And certainly no on-the-fly compilation in any mode. 04:53:04 A user reported that he was able to run ccl on webOS. If HP's TouchPad ends up being decent, that could be interesting. 04:54:09 Wonder if this would mean clisp (bytecode-based?) would work, theoretically 04:58:35 Gambit (a Scheme that compiles to C) has been used to write iOS apps. You might find http://www.mikelevins.com/blog/2.html to be an interesting read. 05:00:24 Couldn't get it working without major runtime random startup grief. Whenever someone gets that sort of thing working, they get it for their exact magic combination of versions of stuff, I've burned a lot of time getting nowhere with it. 05:00:31 Oh, mikel actually wrote that for the Mac App Store. 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