00:28:23 gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-35-22.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 00:44:49 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #ccl 01:26:25 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #ccl 01:58:46 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:44:06 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #ccl 04:40:46 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:43:04 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:04:17 bfulgham_ [~brent@adsl-69-234-119-95.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #ccl 05:04:43 Fare [~Fare@64.119.159.126] has joined #ccl 05:04:52 what does "Inconsistent superclasses for ..." mean? 05:05:03 when I'm redefining a superclass. 05:09:17 it 05:09:51 sorry. It's described in clhs 4.3.5.1 05:10:03 thanks 05:10:46 oh! 05:12:16 how do I unintern the old definition of the subclass? 05:13:59 You want to remove the subclass from the superclass's list of direct subclasses ? 05:14:31 I don't know 05:15:03 I have a hierarchy of classes here. Trying to recompile a new version of it on top of the existing image. 05:15:14 But I suspect even the initial compilation fails 05:15:31 I don't *see* any circularity 05:15:42 if CCL sees something, it's not telling me what 05:17:25 what surprises me is that the class that triggers the error only exists in the new hierarchy and has nothing particular to it. 05:17:47 even when I recompile it to have no superclasses, I get the same error 05:18:27 You're redefining an existing class ? 05:20:19 I don't even think I'm doing that -- oh, maybe, because of eval-when 05:20:51 the classes are used at compile-time, so it's all in (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute) ...) 05:21:17 would it work better if there was only one eval-when around all that jazz instead of several eval-when's 05:21:58 I don't think that that'd matter. 05:23:28 I'll be around, but need to go out for a while. 05:23:39 ok. thanks a lot! 05:26:33 I'll see if SBCL gives me more detailed error messages 05:37:36 other errors. 05:37:37 Sigh. 05:37:40 sleep for now. 05:37:41 ttyl 06:38:14 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #ccl 07:06:14 sellout [~Adium@80.187.209.89] has joined #ccl 07:06:40 -!- sellout is now known as Guest51618 07:07:44 -!- Guest51618 is now known as sellout_ 07:16:15 -!- sellout_ [~Adium@80.187.209.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:18:46 sellout [~Adium@80.187.209.89] has joined #ccl 07:19:56 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #ccl 07:24:41 -!- rme [rme@clozure-B7DF0875.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 07:24:41 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-105-118-12.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 08:48:23 -!- sellout [~Adium@80.187.209.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:13:44 sellout [~Adium@88.128.91.217] has joined #ccl 09:41:05 -!- sellout [~Adium@88.128.91.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:42:40 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:13:27 sellout [~Adium@80.187.211.178] has joined #ccl 10:35:31 Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has joined #ccl 10:39:35 leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has joined #ccl 10:46:04 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #ccl 11:19:35 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:21:52 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #ccl 11:29:45 -!- Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has quit [*.net *.split] 11:49:15 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:55:32 -!- sellout [~Adium@80.187.211.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:58:14 sellout [~Adium@80.187.211.178] has joined #ccl 13:01:52 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #ccl 13:09:53 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:10:09 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #ccl 14:01:56 rme [~rme@pool-70-105-118-12.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 14:35:24 -!- bfulgham_ [~brent@adsl-69-234-119-95.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: bfulgham_] 14:56:58 milanj [~milanj_@178-223-172-123.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #ccl 14:59:25 -!- leo2007 [~leo@2402:f000:5:2901:225:4bff:fea9:b9e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:59:26 -!- Fare [~Fare@64.119.159.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:59:26 anRch [~markmilli@64.134.66.5] has joined #ccl 15:00:01 SteveG [~Steve@c-75-70-2-32.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 15:00:21 Hello. Wondering if anyone has used CCL for creating Windows apps. 15:14:40 I distribute a Windows version of my Truledger web server. No GUI though, except a web browser. 15:15:06 And I haven't built a nice Windows installer for it 15:15:12 Just a single .exe file 15:16:00 Maybe someone else here can update you on the status of the GUI tools for windows 15:16:16 There's been work on that, but I don't remember details 15:17:47 Thanks, Bill 15:51:42 -!- anRch [~markmilli@64.134.66.5] has quit [Quit: anRch] 15:58:02 anRch [~markmilli@64.134.66.5] has joined #ccl 16:14:23 I am interested in building GUI apps in Windows with the normal features: menu items, drop down lists, text areas, text fields, etc. I assume it can be done on the Mac, just wondering if the same can be done for Windows 16:14:40 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:14:44 try again 16:14:58 I'm interested in building GUI apps in Windows 16:15:19 with the normal features, such as menu items, text fields, text areas, 16:15:26 drop down lists, etc 16:15:50 leo2007 [~leo@th041109.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn] has joined #ccl 16:18:38 SteveG: it can be done, theoretically, but we don't really have any nice lispy interfaces (like old MCL or like CAPI on LispWorks) to help you along. You can call win32 API functions (see ccl:examples;mswin.lisp), but that's a lot like just writing the interface in C. 16:25:08 (not that there's anything wrong with programming in C) 16:30:02 -!- anRch [~markmilli@64.134.66.5] has quit [Quit: anRch] 17:46:01 anRch [~markmilli@64.134.69.81] has joined #ccl 18:04:22 Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has joined #ccl 18:15:59 -!- leo2007 [~leo@th041109.ip.tsinghua.edu.cn] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 18:17:50 -!- Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:17:59 Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has joined #ccl 18:33:23 Fare [~Fare@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #ccl 18:56:50 -!- Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has quit [Quit: (let ((call/cc (call/cc call/cc))) (call/cc call/cc))] 19:00:16 And there's that Cocotron thing ... 19:02:08 -!- sellout [~Adium@80.187.211.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:02:42 -!- anRch [~markmilli@64.134.69.81] has quit [Quit: anRch] 19:31:28 -!- alms_ [~alms_@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: alms_] 19:33:36 gbyers: that's what I was hoping somebody would tell SteveG about. 19:33:42 I've never played with it 19:34:24 alms_ [~alms_@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 20:31:29 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:39:43 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-46-98-23.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 21:47:18 Thanks, gbyers and bill. So, I need a Mac to do the original work? 22:00:57 Well, IIRC, CCL's Cocotron support doesn't yet fully work on Windows. Once it does, you shouldn't need a Mac for anything 22:08:54 You don't need a Mac to program in Cocotron; you do need a Mac to build the Cocotron libraries for Windows. A lot of stuff in Cocotron works, a lot doesn't, and it's hard to predict what does and what doesn't. 22:09:50 -!- bfulgham [~brent@wsip-72-215-191-226.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:15:05 bfulgham [~brent@wsip-72-215-191-226.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ccl 22:16:46 Thanks. 22:16:52 -!- SteveG [~Steve@c-75-70-2-32.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:57 Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has joined #ccl 22:39:34 hargettp [~hargettp@96.237.121.111] has joined #ccl 22:54:09 -!- milanj [~milanj_@178-223-172-123.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:22 -!- Glav [~Glav@unaffiliated/glav] has quit [Quit: (let ((call/cc (call/cc call/cc))) (call/cc call/cc))]