00:02:31 -!- milanj [~milanj_@79.101.250.206] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:34 -!- nurv [nurv@62.32.135.54] has quit [] 00:33:43 palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 00:33:58 -!- palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #ccl 00:41:40 kelsin [~cgiroir@www.dreaminginlyrics.com] has joined #ccl 00:43:06 Howdy, forgive my lack of knowledge, but I'm beginning to experiment with ccl, and was wondering if you could (require "COCOA") without opening the ide listener? 00:43:48 If you're asking if you can do (require "COCOA") from, say, a terminal window, then the answer is yes. 00:44:19 yeah, I'm running it from emacs/slime 00:44:32 and it loads the (what I think is called) the ide listener? 00:44:55 Right, it starts up the Cocoa-based IDE. 00:45:23 is loading the whole ide something that needs to be done just to call objc classes? 00:46:54 (just fooling with the objc/opengl examples on the site, and just wondering about how you could load the cocoa libraries without popping up the ide repl 00:47:10 some of my assumptions could be extremely wrong :) 00:47:12 It depends what kind of classes you want to call. You can do (require "OBJC-SUPPORT") and that won't start up the IDE. 00:47:51 Then you can say stuff like (#/numberWithInt: ns:ns-number 12) => # 00:48:07 ok so requiring cocoa is supposed to pull up the IDE and there are lower level hooks (sorry if my wording is horribly wrong) to just require libs without the ide 00:48:11 I'll look around more 00:48:14 thanks :) 00:48:17 sure 01:07:24 not making as much headway as I would like. Basically I'd just like to run this example http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/SimpleOpenGL without popping up the IDE repl. (Also if I'm asking a stupid question I want to know now before I spend too much time on it) 01:09:04 In order to use Cocoa window stuff, you have to be a Cocoa application, and have an event loop and all that junk. The easiest way to do that is to run the IDE. 01:09:29 ahhh, so there's probably a level of mac os stuff that I'm not getting 01:11:35 so eventually (once I learn... a ton more) I could make my own app (including a main nib etc etc) and start that up instead of the require to :cocoa (using build-application etc)? 01:11:42 yes, exactly. 01:12:15 well that makes sense, I figured there was something I'm missing... again thank you for your time 01:12:17 gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 01:13:57 Have you looked in ccl:contrib;krueger;InterfaceProjects ? 01:15:06 see also http://mikelevins.livejournal.com/5400.html 01:20:23 awesome, thanks! 01:20:44 (moving from linux sbcl linux work to trying to learn some mac stuff :) lots to take in) 01:47:00 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:12:19 -!- peterbb [~peterbb@ves1-1x-dhcp356.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:23:29 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-104-124-149.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 02:32:57 palter_ [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:21b:63ff:fe96:e1ff] has joined #ccl 02:32:58 -!- palter_ is now known as palter 02:34:42 palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 02:34:52 -!- palter_ [palter@clozure-78A0C567.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter_] 02:34:52 -!- palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:34:52 -!- palter_ is now known as palter 02:40:26 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:21b:63ff:fe96:e1ff] has left #ccl 02:56:43 -!- leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:08:56 palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 03:18:21 -!- palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter] 03:19:05 palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has joined #ccl 03:21:58 -!- palter [~palter@2002:4b44:b1e1:0:5ab0:35ff:fe78:6749] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:29 palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 04:16:00 nunb [~nundan@122.162.138.14] has joined #ccl 04:21:40 -!- palter [palter@clozure-78A0C567.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter] 04:21:40 -!- palter [~palter@c-75-68-177-225.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: palter] 04:22:38 rme [~rme@pool-70-104-124-149.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 04:51:46 -!- gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:29:53 -!- rme [~rme@pool-70-104-124-149.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: rme] 05:34:27 gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 07:51:19 leo2007 [~leo@cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ccl 08:51:43 -!- gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:51:59 gbyers [~gb@antinomial.abq.clozure.com] has joined #ccl 10:01:21 -!- gbyers [~gb@antinomial.abq.clozure.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:01:47 gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 10:05:19 -!- gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:05:39 gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 11:52:29 -!- gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:50:14 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ccl 14:34:51 -!- lisppaste5 [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:52:00 lisppaste5 [~lisppaste@common-lisp.net] has joined #ccl 15:36:02 rme [~rme@pool-70-104-124-149.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 16:30:06 -!- alms [alms@clozure-AD075F06.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: alms] 16:30:06 -!- alms [~alms@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: alms] 17:24:29 alms [~alms@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 17:43:22 -!- alms [alms@clozure-AD075F06.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: alms] 17:43:22 -!- alms [~alms@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: alms] 17:48:44 alms [~alms@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 17:55:27 -!- alms [alms@clozure-AD075F06.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout] 17:55:49 -!- alms [~alms@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:21:58 -!- nunb [~nundan@122.162.138.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:29:13 nunb [~nundan@122.162.138.14] has joined #ccl 23:10:44 gbyers [~gb@c-68-35-15-143.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ccl