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Do you have a question ? (I only ask because I need to get up and move around for a while.) 08:19:54 no, I'm a happy ccl user for some time. 08:20:12 I just joined, because I was thinking about getting stump running on my osx box 08:20:18 and I use ccl on osx. 08:20:41 which sounds like a recipe for pain and sorrow. 08:20:42 :) 08:20:45 I don't even know what stump is. 08:20:50 stumpwm 08:20:56 ah, 08:21:10 http://stumpwm.nongnu.org/ 08:21:11 etc 08:21:25 anyhow, I figured I'd just idle here for awhile. 08:23:48 I threw my back out last week. It's better, but if I sit too long, rigor mortis starts setting in. 09:10:47 wellk, take it easy, in that case 09:11:29 12:41:10 -!- sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 12:58:14 -!- alms [n=alms@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 12:59:31 sellout [n=greg@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 13:24:23 alms [n=alms@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 13:27:23 -!- alms [n=alms@146-115-42-237.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:20 palter [n=palter@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 15:07:59 milanj [n=milan@212.200.217.52] has joined #ccl 15:12:39 alms [n=alms@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 15:31:58 anRch [n=markmill@nmd.sbx00833.peaboma.wayport.net] has joined #ccl 16:35:07 -!- anRch [n=markmill@nmd.sbx00833.peaboma.wayport.net] has quit [] 16:54:16 rme [n=rme@pool-70-105-92-209.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 17:13:03 milanj- [n=milan@91.150.101.140] has joined #ccl 17:20:35 -!- milanj [n=milan@212.200.217.52] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:36:56 cvandusen [n=user@12.185.80.194] has joined #ccl 18:37:07 milan [n=milan@77.46.219.50] has joined #ccl 18:42:00 anRch [n=markmill@nmd.sbx07283.medfoma.wayport.net] has joined #ccl 18:42:02 -!- PuffTheMagic is now known as PuffTheMagic_ 18:45:51 -!- PuffTheMagic_ is now known as PuffTheMagic 18:47:39 -!- milanj- [n=milan@91.150.101.140] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:49:52 Oh no! Not another closure/clozure/clojure/clo-whatever! http://code.google.com/closure/ 18:56:01 I'll be starting Cloture next 19:04:45 Will you require a 2/3 vote on all changes in Cloture? 19:05:45 I think I'll write a joke Lisp named Clolure. 19:05:50 of course! 19:07:13 nothing will get done, but that's the democratic way 19:09:37 I'm working a new specialized dialect of Clozure CL for bacteriological use; it's called Clozstridium. 19:16:42 I'm working on a new specialized dialect of Clozure CL for psychotic people. It's called Clozapine. 19:22:00 I think that there is/was a CLIM-based web browser named Closure. 19:23:27 Yeah. 19:23:47 -!- palter [n=palter@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 19:24:20 palter [n=palter@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 19:41:22 Question about setting up CCL for system wide use (as opposed to personal use): 19:43:16 Fire when ready ... 19:43:22 The documentation says that you can put ccl64 in /usr/local/bin/, but is there a reasonably standard place to place ccl? 19:43:37 sorry, was interrupted mid-typing 19:44:28 I've been using it for a while in my home directory, but am going to set it up on a remote server, and was curious 19:44:59 /usr/local/bin would work as well for either script. If the lisp itself is installed in some shared directory (/usr/local/lib or someplace like that), then some things (REBUILD-CCL) may not work because of file-permission issues. 19:45:57 my bad. The lisp is what I meant by "ccl". 19:46:41 I use /usr/local/src/ccl (for trunk) and /usr/local/src/ccl-1.4 and have permissions set so I can write in those directories. 19:46:48 I take it it could be "anywhere" (permissions permitting) just as long as CCL_DEFAULT_DIRECTORY know where 19:47:32 gz__ [n=gz@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 19:47:47 I think that that'd be the same issue; if CCL is installed in /usr/local/lib/ccl (for instance), most things shouldn't care that the user can't write to that directrory. REBUILD-CCL does assume that it can write fasls/images to ccl. 19:48:30 "most things shouldn't care" = "it worked fine the last time I tried, but I haven't tried recently". 19:49:43 I'll certainly find out 19:50:12 Yes, AFAIK as long as it can find the CCL directory and read stuff there, it -shouldn't- need write access for most things. 19:50:16 a follow-up would be how does ccl-init.lisp figures into this 19:51:11 meaning, I want to have CCL running as a background process 19:51:31 ccl -n # don't load init file. 19:52:03 what about for starting things like swank? 19:52:09 ccl --batch # don't assume interactive user, exit on error 19:52:26 ccl -e "form" # evaluate form 19:52:27 "things like swank" = swank 19:52:44 ccl -l "file" # load file 19:52:57 ccl --help # other things that I don't remember. 19:53:08 ah 19:53:54 -!- anRch [n=markmill@nmd.sbx07283.medfoma.wayport.net] has quit [] 19:54:17 I tried the help, but was overwhelmed by stack-size, thread-stack-size, etc. 19:58:33 The other things (load, eval, etc.) are mentioned in there, too. 20:01:27 yep. I'm in the transition from casual user to more formal user (that doesn't sound right...), so I'm learning the non-default aspects 20:11:15 One last question (for now). The done deal for running Lisp as a background process seems to involve GNU screen or detachtty. Is this indeed the case? 20:11:48 yeah, that's pretty much the story 20:12:02 detachtty works pretty well. 20:12:44 "ccl-logbot" in this channel uses it, IIRC. 20:12:55 I've used both. They both work. 20:13:36 In my searching, I saw both mentioned (and in one case) it was said that detachtty was the lighter of the two. 20:15:02 Neither one costs much, but detachtty is lighter 20:17:15 Depending on how patient I am, I might try both & see which is a more comfortable fit. 20:18:56 Thanks for all of the answers. 20:56:50 -!- PuffTheMagic is now known as Puffy 21:05:20 -!- sellout [n=greg@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 21:20:16 Modius [n=Modius@cpe-70-123-130-159.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ccl 21:39:09 -!- alms [n=alms@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 21:43:38 alms [n=alms@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 22:04:43 -!- gz__ [n=gz@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 22:15:51 -!- palter [n=palter@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 22:17:20 palter [n=palter@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ccl 22:19:20 -!- milan [n=milan@77.46.219.50] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:33:30 -!- rme [n=rme@pool-70-105-92-209.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 22:36:12 -!- palter [n=palter@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 22:41:07 -!- cvandusen [n=user@12.185.80.194] has quit ["ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"] 22:51:17 -!- alms [n=alms@static-72-85-235-154.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [] 22:59:48 rme [n=rme@pool-70-105-92-209.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ccl