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Is there anything interesting you learned, or do they all just want feature parity with Fred? 20:18:25 Overall people pretty much agreed with our priorities and trust us to do the right thing. 20:18:39 That was nice to hear, but also makes sense given that these were the people who were willing to pledge. 20:19:10 There was some detail in there that was interesting --- that always happens when you talk to users --- but no large new directions. 20:19:38 OK, good. 20:21:20 Not that I'm putting my money where my mouth is, but if I could make a suggestion for the editor interface, it would be to make sure that something like paredit can be added to the editor using exported interfaces. 20:22:06 If you haven't seen paredit, it's a mode for editing Lisp source in a pseudo-structure-editor fashion: http://mumble.net/~campbell/emacs/paredit.el 20:22:47 If this is already possible, then you're off to a good start :-) 20:36:26 I think we're going to make it a little harder to implement. We're moving away from the current emacs-like global-state api to a more functional one. But you can always convert one to the other. 20:38:27 gz: would it be feasible to support both an emacs compatible API and a functional API? There is a lot of emacs code that might be desirable to use. 20:47:24 gz: Actually, that sounds like a good idea. I'm not so interested in a direct translation of the paredit code as just making sure that the correct hooks are present to be able to implement it cleanly. 20:48:53 hah! the IDE starts up on the 32-bit lisp. 20:57:19 rme: congrats! 20:58:32 rme: awesome. 20:59:08 That means that the x8632 ffi is is pretty good shape. 21:00:16 rme: check it in, it might help me 21:01:34 jajcloz: working on it now. just need to clean up a little bit. 21:14:08 On IA-32, we have to use special functions (objc_msgSend_fpret and objc_msgSendv_fpret) when methods return floating point types, and I haven't added those to the Objective-C bridge yet. 22:15:02 -!- H4ns [n=hans@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:17:08 H4ns [n=hans@70.91.193.41] has joined #ccl 22:29:42 -!- alms [n=alms@209-150-48-250.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] 22:30:15 -!- sellout [n=greg@guest-fw.dc4.itasoftware.com] has quit [] 23:06:17 sellout [n=greg@c-24-128-50-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ccl 23:26:34 alms [n=alms@209-150-48-250.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ccl 23:53:00 -!- milanj- [n=milan@79.101.181.189] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:54:11 -!- rme [n=rme@pool-70-105-117-95.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit []